[meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine

[James Masny]

Hello List.  Does anyone know when to expect the next issue?  I am
pretty sure it features Chelyabinsk, and I recently added a slice to
my collection from Peter Marmet and all I can say is outstanding!  It
is quite a specimen, and so many stones show different
characteristics.  It will be nice to read about it from a periodical
instead of jumping site to site on the internet.

All the best,
Jim
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[meteorite-list] Re-2: My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

I never sayd, that im free of any sin and i never sayd, that i made never any 
mistake. 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuchelei ) and im quite sad, 
that you think so. I try allways to say what i really think and feel and have 
also no reason to be a hypocrite. This is just the internet. A place, where i 
cannot win anything by playing someone else. I would have better ways to waste 
time, and many of them in the same internet. Maybe i should now go to these 
places.
Alexander


- Original Nachricht 
Von: "Bernd V. Pauli" 
An:  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Datum:   10.06.2013 01:47
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  My apology to Mike Farmer

> > Whoever is without any sin may throw the first rock.
> 
> Amen, and send these words to certain places in Germany
> but not to me or anyone else, you hypocrite !!!
> 
> Bernd
> 
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[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Bernd V. Pauli]

We are not talking about fulgurites, we are talking about fraudulent
(trans-)actions! So, please, do not deviate from what we are talking
about!

Right now, it is not about fulgurites but about (in all likelihood)
stuff that even a beginner would immediately have recognized
as bogus material.

This material was offered to the Meteorite Community by "experts"
who should have known better and who (in all likelihood) did know
better.

30+ years of experience ...? They were scammed...? Who is being
scammed ???

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

I sayd from the beginning these fulgurites are sintered calcite or aragonite 
with its characteristic features. They grew from inside to outside with 
constant speed. The rings are continously and the center ones are identical to 
the outside ones. This structure is absolutely characteristic for sintering. 
Stalactites are one kind of sintered calcite. Calcareous tufa another. Which 
one of both it is can only be sayd by the one who pics em up or who knows the 
exact location.

Even stalagmites and cavepearls can be found on surface. I found even a one 
foot big half cavepearl like object sticking in the surface of massive rock. No 
way to take it out. In the direct vincinity was a small hole, i dug my arm into 
it and found one golf ball sized cavepearl and other sintered objects like some 
nice calcite specimens even with crystals. 

Wherever limestones occures, are stalagmites. They do not need full sized 
caves. Even small clefts are often neough to form them. So my assumption was 
reasonable. And stalagmite like objects can also be formed directly on surface 
or in small lakes. This so called calcareous tufa is similar to stalactites. 
The lakes with the occurrence may even disappear nad the remaining sintered 
objects remain in the ground.

One occurrence is in nevada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_Lake_(Nevada)

And very often are such occurrences not alone, because they depend often on the 
ground. So in the surrounding landscape are maybe other lakes like this with 
similar stalactites. Any many lakes are maybe gone since long time ago. And 
calcareous tufa are like stalaktites just rocks. Rocks in flowing water can be 
floated away. Yea, carbonates solue usually fast, but in the vincinity of 
calcareous tufa is the water ussually already full of carbonates and cannot 
solve much more.

And what does make you shure, that it is molten or sticking due melting? I 
still saw no bubbles. Calcite can attach itself by growing to many kinds of 
ground. Especially (uhm ... only) in or in the vincinity of carbonate rich 
waters. Maybe these calcite grew even there. 


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 01:35
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> Lets take this off the list.  The last I checked you were selling fulgurites
> on eBay and tried to convince me that mine were stalagmites.  A sneaky way
> of trying to eliminate the competition. That's funny, why would they be
> found concentrated in washes, embedded in the ground, with melted and
> weathered granite pebbles sticking to them and miles from the nearest cave
> if they were anything other than what the geologists claimed them to be?  
> 
> 
> It is obvious to me that you do not know what you are talking about.
> 
> 
> If they were stalagmites,  I would be asking more for them.
> 
> You are wasting bandwidth and my time, 
> 
> 
> Over and out,  Good bye!
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> My reason is simple. Even after martin has apologized and all others has
> accepted it, you continued and tried even to give him the fault for your
> unsuccessful ebay auctions. 
> 
> And you maybe remember, what you sayd about why you complain so much or? 
> 
> Where is the difference between questionable fulgurites of your shop and
> wrong meteorites in martins shop? I really dont like, what you say and i
> really hate, that you play the white knight of law, while you sell in your
> shop also things, which are questioned and still not tested.
> 
> You ask me now for direct mail. Maybe you have forgotten, that i already
> emailed you. You said im not qualified during this mail conversation... have
> you already forgotten it?
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   10.06.2013 01:10
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or
> > email me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List? 
> > This is a Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List! 
> > 
> > 
> > With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites
> and
> > why we should not be angry about fraudulent material placed on the
> market? 
> > Or do we need to see more crocodile tears?
> > 
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision. 
> > 
> > I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for
> > forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about ow

[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Institutions and Collections

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

There has been a feature update to the online Met Bulletin.  It now
contains info about meteorites in institutions and collections.

>From the Bulletin :

Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=2

Repository information expanded (9 Jun 2013)

"Greatly expanded information about type specimen repositories and
other meteorite collections is now available in the Institutions and
Collections section for each meteorite. In 2012, a survey was sent to
each institution holding type specimens listed in the Bulletin. They
supplied information that includes who runs the collection, how to
request samples, and curation policy.

To access this information, look at the detailed information for a
single meteorite. All cited collections and repositories will be
tabulated in the Institutions and Collections section. Click on the
abbreviation for each repository to see the detailed information."

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] Re-2: My apology to Mike Farmer

[Bernd V. Pauli]

> Whoever is without any sin may throw the first rock.

Amen, and send these words to certain places in Germany
but not to me or anyone else, you hypocrite !!!

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Enough

[Steve Witt]

Speaking of identification, how about a signature or name at the bottom of your 
email?

Respectfully,
Steve


 Steve Witt
IMCA #9020
http://imca.cc/



From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i 
wouldnt talk about these here.

Im
a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of 
samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in 
images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do
this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during
an average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn 
more. Of course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and
most detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany
(Röslers Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i 
had an age of less than 10 years, just because the commom books became 
too boring. I have read every of my books during
my live more then 10 times, some even so often, that they begun to 
disintegrate.

So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to 
identify minerals, than the average people, who study some years and put
after this studium the textbooks in the corner and do just their jobs.

And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should 
show glass and especially bubbles.

You
say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And
most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do 
their jobs. You would wonder alot, if you would show common already 
identified mineral samples to a group of common geologists to let em 
identify these. Especially, when they not look like these in the 
textbooks. Has your geologist put some hydrocloric acid on your 
fulgurites? Or have you?

Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean,
that every thing with a hole is a fulgurite and does also not exclude 
the
occurrence of wrong fulgurites. Its the same thing as with meteorites. 
Not every black stone in a desert is a meteorite and the occurrence of 
meteorites does not exclude the occurrence of wrongs.
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

Yeah right. Thats my words and my opinion. Thats, why i never mentioned the 
fulgurites again and anywhere after stopping emailing during this time long ago 
(its was the 4th march). ...until Adam begun to intensify the flamewar against 
martin and talked as if he self never made any mistakes. 

I think its absolutely not fair to talk about such things in the open web. But 
WHEN someoene does it, he should also accept, and live with it, when others do 
the same.

Whoever is without any sin may throw the first rock.


- Original Nachricht 
Von: "Bernd V. Pauli" 
An:  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Datum:   10.06.2013 01:30
Betreff: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> > Why don't you ... email me directly instead
> > of posting this to the Meteorite Central List?
> 
> The self-same A.R. recently posted this to the German Forum
> after a list member complained about a eucrite he had acquired
> from M.A.:
> 
> "That's right. Telling the whole world about it is not gentleman-like at
> all"
> 
> Bernd
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

Lets take this off the list.  The last I checked you were selling fulgurites on 
eBay and tried to convince me that mine were stalagmites.  A sneaky way of 
trying to eliminate the competition. That's funny, why would they be found 
concentrated in washes, embedded in the ground, with melted and weathered 
granite pebbles sticking to them and miles from the nearest cave if they were 
anything other than what the geologists claimed them to be?  


It is obvious to me that you do not know what you are talking about.


If they were stalagmites,  I would be asking more for them.

You are wasting bandwidth and my time, 


Over and out,  Good bye!


Adam




- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

My reason is simple. Even after martin has apologized and all others has 
accepted it, you continued and tried even to give him the fault for your 
unsuccessful ebay auctions. 

And you maybe remember, what you sayd about why you complain so much or? 

Where is the difference between questionable fulgurites of your shop and wrong 
meteorites in martins shop? I really dont like, what you say and i really hate, 
that you play the white knight of law, while you sell in your shop also things, 
which are questioned and still not tested.

You ask me now for direct mail. Maybe you have forgotten, that i already 
emailed you. You said im not qualified during this mail conversation... have 
you already forgotten it?


- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 01:10
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or
> email me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List? 
> This is a Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List! 
> 
> 
> With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites and
> why we should not be angry about fraudulent material placed on the market? 
> Or do we need to see more crocodile tears?
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision. 
> 
> I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for
> forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own
> problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must also
> be able to take in.". And we do also say, "Do nothing to others what you
> dont want, that others do to you.".
> 
> And i questioned your fulgurites long time before the fake meteorites even
> arrived in their fraudulent ebay auction. And you sayd even during this
> discussion, that im not qualified. Nice way to handle critics.
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   10.06.2013 00:53
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing
> other
> > than you are loyal to Martin.  
> > 
> > Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
> > material with fake ID cards, shall we?  Guilty parties always try to
> shift
> > blame on others or change the subject.
> > 
> > Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge that
> he
> > willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material? 
> Lets
> > call it for what it is.
> > 
> > I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these
> > cards done on an inkjet printer.
> > 
> > WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!
> > 
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a
> qualification.
> > What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 
> > 
> > Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified?
> Which
> > qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about
> > meteorites?
> > 
> > This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not
> qualified.
> > This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything
> and
> > you can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 
> > 
> > Wanna see more fulgurites?
> > 
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8
> 
> > AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch
> > 
> > Maybe your geologist is welcome here:
> > 
> > http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/
> > 
> > Nevada is so beautiful:
> > 
> >
> http://chesto

[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Bernd V. Pauli]

> Why don't you ... email me directly instead
> of posting this to the Meteorite Central List?

The self-same A.R. recently posted this to the German Forum
after a list member complained about a eucrite he had acquired
from M.A.:

"That's right. Telling the whole world about it is not gentleman-like at all"

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

My reason is simple. Even after martin has apologized and all others has 
accepted it, you continued and tried even to give him the fault for your 
unsuccessful ebay auctions. 

And you maybe remember, what you sayd about why you complain so much or? 

Where is the difference between questionable fulgurites of your shop and wrong 
meteorites in martins shop? I really dont like, what you say and i really hate, 
that you play the white knight of law, while you sell in your shop also things, 
which are questioned and still not tested.

You ask me now for direct mail. Maybe you have forgotten, that i already 
emailed you. You said im not qualified during this mail conversation... have 
you already forgotten it?


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 01:10
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or
> email me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List? 
> This is a Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List! 
> 
> 
> With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites and
> why we should not be angry about fraudulent material placed on the market? 
> Or do we need to see more crocodile tears?
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision. 
> 
> I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for
> forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own
> problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must also
> be able to take in.". And we do also say, "Do nothing to others what you
> dont want, that others do to you.".
> 
> And i questioned your fulgurites long time before the fake meteorites even
> arrived in their fraudulent ebay auction. And you sayd even during this
> discussion, that im not qualified. Nice way to handle critics.
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   10.06.2013 00:53
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing
> other
> > than you are loyal to Martin.  
> > 
> > Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
> > material with fake ID cards, shall we?  Guilty parties always try to
> shift
> > blame on others or change the subject.
> > 
> > Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge that
> he
> > willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material? 
> Lets
> > call it for what it is.
> > 
> > I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these
> > cards done on an inkjet printer.
> > 
> > WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!
> > 
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a
> qualification.
> > What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 
> > 
> > Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified?
> Which
> > qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about
> > meteorites?
> > 
> > This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not
> qualified.
> > This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything
> and
> > you can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 
> > 
> > Wanna see more fulgurites?
> > 
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8
> 
> > AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch
> > 
> > Maybe your geologist is welcome here:
> > 
> > http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/
> > 
> > Nevada is so beautiful:
> > 
> >
> http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.Ub
> 
> > UD_KDIFxA
> > (And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some of
> em
> > are maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are
> created)
> > 
> > And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from
> > Germany. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Nachricht 
> > Von:     Adam Hupe 
> > An:      Adam 
> > Datum:   10.06.2013 00:25
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > > In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American
> Fulgurites.
> > > 
> > > You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use
> your
> > > name. Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the
> > > cookie jar once again and that is the 
> > > only reason he apologized to Mike Farm

[meteorite-list] Re-2: My apology to Mike Farmer

[Bernd V. Pauli]

> Which qualifications does anybody need to
> be able to comment here about meteorites?

Well, honesty, sincerity, *willingness* to judge from a neutral
point of view instead of from a skewed perspective like this one:

Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi (What is legitimate for Jupiter,
is not legitimate for oxen).

> And if my name is so important to be heared,
> im Alexander Ringel from Germany.

Wow, the first time after so many years in the German
Forum that I know anything else but your "avatar"!

> WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!

... and not only to the AML !

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or email 
me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List?  This is a 
Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List! 


With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites and 
why we should not be angry about fraudulent material placed on the market?  Or 
do we need to see more crocodile tears?


Adam



- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision. 

I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for 
forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own 
problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must also be 
able to take in.". And we do also say, "Do nothing to others what you dont 
want, that others do to you.".

And i questioned your fulgurites long time before the fake meteorites even 
arrived in their fraudulent ebay auction. And you sayd even during this 
discussion, that im not qualified. Nice way to handle critics.


- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 00:53
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> 
> 
> Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing other
> than you are loyal to Martin.  
> 
> Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
> material with fake ID cards, shall we?  Guilty parties always try to shift
> blame on others or change the subject.
> 
> Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge that he
> willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material?  Lets
> call it for what it is.
> 
> I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these
> cards done on an inkjet printer.
> 
> WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a qualification.
> What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 
> 
> Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified? Which
> qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about
> meteorites?
> 
> This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not qualified.
> This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything and
> you can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 
> 
> Wanna see more fulgurites?
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8
> AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch
> 
> Maybe your geologist is welcome here:
> 
> http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/
> 
> Nevada is so beautiful:
> 
> http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.Ub
> UD_KDIFxA
> (And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some of em
> are maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are created)
> 
> And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from
> Germany. 
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   10.06.2013 00:25
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.
> > 
> > You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your
> > name. Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the
> > cookie jar once again and that is the 
> > only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I
> will
> > not engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are not
> > qualified and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.  
> > 
> > 
> > I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them and
> the
> > secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his life. 
> > Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.
> > 
> > 
> > Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the
> market,
> > shall we?  This is not the first time Martin has done something
> fraudulent. 
> > Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and anybody
> > else who was caught up in the last scandal?
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i
> > wouldnt talk about these here.
> > 
> > Im a experienced

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision. 

I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for 
forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own 
problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must also be 
able to take in.". And we do also say, "Do nothing to others what you dont 
want, that others do to you.".

And i questioned your fulgurites long time before the fake meteorites even 
arrived in their fraudulent ebay auction. And you sayd even during this 
discussion, that im not qualified. Nice way to handle critics.


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 00:53
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> 
> 
> Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing other
> than you are loyal to Martin.  
> 
> Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
> material with fake ID cards, shall we?  Guilty parties always try to shift
> blame on others or change the subject.
> 
> Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge that he
> willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material?  Lets
> call it for what it is.
> 
> I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these
> cards done on an inkjet printer.
> 
> WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a qualification.
> What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 
> 
> Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified? Which
> qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about
> meteorites?
> 
> This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not qualified.
> This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything and
> you can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 
> 
> Wanna see more fulgurites?
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8
> AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch
> 
> Maybe your geologist is welcome here:
> 
> http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/
> 
> Nevada is so beautiful:
> 
> http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.Ub
> UD_KDIFxA
> (And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some of em
> are maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are created)
> 
> And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from
> Germany. 
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   10.06.2013 00:25
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.
> > 
> > You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your
> > name. Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the
> > cookie jar once again and that is the 
> > only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I
> will
> > not engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are not
> > qualified and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.  
> > 
> > 
> > I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them and
> the
> > secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his life. 
> > Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.
> > 
> > 
> > Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the
> market,
> > shall we?  This is not the first time Martin has done something
> fraudulent. 
> > Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and anybody
> > else who was caught up in the last scandal?
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i
> > wouldnt talk about these here.
> > 
> > Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of
> > samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in
> > images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do
> > this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during
> an
> > average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more.
> Of
> > course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and most
> > detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany
> (Röslers
> > Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing other 
than you are loyal to Martin.  

Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus 
material with fake ID cards, shall we?  Guilty parties always try to shift 
blame on others or change the subject.

Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge that he 
willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material?  Lets 
call it for what it is.

I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these cards 
done on an inkjet printer.

WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!


Adam



- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a qualification. 
What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 

Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified? Which 
qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about meteorites?

This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not qualified. 
This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything and you 
can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 

Wanna see more fulgurites?

https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch

Maybe your geologist is welcome here:

http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/

Nevada is so beautiful:

http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.UbUD_KDIFxA
(And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some of em are 
maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are created)

And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from Germany. 


- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 00:25
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.
> 
> You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your
> name. Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the
> cookie jar once again and that is the 
> only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I will
> not engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are not
> qualified and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.  
> 
> 
> I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them and the
> secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his life. 
> Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.
> 
> 
> Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the market,
> shall we?  This is not the first time Martin has done something fraudulent. 
> Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and anybody
> else who was caught up in the last scandal?
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i
> wouldnt talk about these here.
> 
> Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of
> samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in
> images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do
> this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during an
> average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more. Of
> course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and most
> detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany (Röslers
> Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age of
> less than 10 years, just because the commom books became too boring. I have
> read every of my books during my live more then 10 times, some even so
> often, that they begun to disintegrate.
> 
> So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals, than the
> average people, who study some years and put after this studium the
> textbooks in the corner and do just their jobs.
> 
> And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should
> show glass and especially bubbles.
> 
> You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And
> most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do their
> jobs. You would wonder alot, if you would show common already identified
> mineral samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify these.
> Especially, when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your
> geologist put some hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you?
> 
> Occurrences of fulgurites does n

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a qualification. 
What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor? 

Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified? Which 
qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about meteorites?

This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not qualified. 
This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything and you 
can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution. 

Wanna see more fulgurites?

https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch

Maybe your geologist is welcome here:

http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/

Nevada is so beautiful:

http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.UbUD_KDIFxA
(And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some of em are 
maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are created)

And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from Germany. 


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   10.06.2013 00:25
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.
> 
> You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your
> name. Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the
> cookie jar once again and that is the 
> only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I will
> not engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are not
> qualified and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.  
> 
> 
> I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them and the
> secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his life. 
> Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.
> 
> 
> Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the market,
> shall we?  This is not the first time Martin has done something fraudulent. 
> Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and anybody
> else who was caught up in the last scandal?
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i
> wouldnt talk about these here.
> 
> Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of
> samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in
> images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do
> this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during an
> average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more. Of
> course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and most
> detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany (Röslers
> Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age of
> less than 10 years, just because the commom books became too boring. I have
> read every of my books during my live more then 10 times, some even so
> often, that they begun to disintegrate.
> 
> So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals, than the
> average people, who study some years and put after this studium the
> textbooks in the corner and do just their jobs.
> 
> And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should
> show glass and especially bubbles.
> 
> You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And
> most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do their
> jobs. You would wonder alot, if you would show common already identified
> mineral samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify these.
> Especially, when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your
> geologist put some hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you?
> 
> Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean, that every thing with a hole is a
> fulgurite and does also not exclude the occurrence of wrong fulgurites. Its
> the same thing as with meteorites. Not every black stone in a desert is a
> meteorite and the occurrence of meteorites does not exclude the occurrence
> of wrongs.
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   09.06.2013 19:10
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter.  These
> > were found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look like
> > more common fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand.  They have
> pebbles
> > and course sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash which is
> > more conductive than the hillsides around  here here in Nevada.
> > 
> >  P

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.

You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your name. 
Defend Martin all you want!  He was caught with his hands in the cookie jar 
once again and that is the 
only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I will not 
engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are not qualified 
and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.  


I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them and the 
secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his life.  
Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.


Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the market, 
shall we?  This is not the first time Martin has done something fraudulent.  
Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and anybody else 
who was caught up in the last scandal?

Adam






- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i 
wouldnt talk about these here.

Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of 
samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in images. 
I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do this just 
because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during an average day at 
least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more. Of course i have many 
books, among these is one of the biggest and most detailled textbooks about 
minerals, which was available in germany (Röslers Lehrbuch der speziellen 
Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age of less than 10 years, just 
because the commom books became too boring. I have read every of my books 
during my live more then 10 times, some even so often, that they begun to 
disintegrate.

So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals, than the 
average people, who study some years and put after this studium the textbooks 
in the corner and do just their jobs.

And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should 
show glass and especially bubbles.

You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And 
most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do their jobs. 
You would wonder alot, if you would show common already identified mineral 
samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify these. Especially, 
when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your geologist put some 
hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you?

Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean, that every thing with a hole is a 
fulgurite and does also not exclude the occurrence of wrong fulgurites. Its the 
same thing as with meteorites. Not every black stone in a desert is a meteorite 
and the occurrence of meteorites does not exclude the occurrence of wrongs.


- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 19:10
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter.  These
> were found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look like
> more common fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand.  They have pebbles
> and course sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash which is
> more conductive than the hillsides around  here here in Nevada.
> 
>  Please do your research before questioning others genuine products.  A
> geologist and ex NASA researcher has already looked these.  As a matter of
> fact, they are found in dry washes all over Arizona and Nevada. Some are
> standing straight up and have to be dug out of the ground.  Just go to
> Quartzite Arizona and look at what is being offered at the show.
> 
> I will not qualify my product again unless you provide your name and
> qualifications.
> 
> This is not about me, it is about dealers offering fake meteorites.  This
> should concern you more than Genuine fulgurites found here in Nevada.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of any
> fulgurite i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated iron
> oxide (limonite) and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red) or of with
> iron oxide colored glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown, black). And of
> course you can also tell, where the bubbles are and why these fulguite shows
> inner structures, which looks so similar to typical sinter.
> 
> In fact these fulgurites deviate in almost every detail from abso

[meteorite-list] Extraordinarily beautiful Fukang meteorite

[Paul H.]

Nothing in the way of either text or content. 
However, it does have some nice pictures.

Необычайно красивый метеорит Фукан
Extraordinarily beautiful Fukang meteorite
http://www.fresher.ru/2013/05/26/neobychajno-krasivyj-meteorit-fukan/comment-page-1/

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Alexander Seidel]

So, you won´t lighten up, Adam?? Is this the spirit of the list, after all?
I think Art has done a great job by temporarily rejecting mails for everyone
to come down to Earth again. Gary made a great response, I concur with that.
The "Big Boyz" will always have their playgrounds here, but just don´t tax
Art´s patience over the limits... We had and we still have fun here for more
than a decade now, so why not just be a little more humble and stay in overall
good spirits..? :-)

Then again: shake, rattle and roll!
Alex
Berlin/Germany




> Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juni 2013 um 18:22 Uhr
> Von: "Adam Hupe" 
> An: Adam 
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever 
> with Andi.  One or two mistakes over a long period of time is understandable. 
>  Taking immediate responsibility for a mistake is admirable and the right 
> thing to do.
>
> It is when I see a pattern that I become alarmed.  I have observed 
> long-winded descriptions in the artifact market.  This is reason for great 
> concern.  Genuine artifacts with proper papering stand on their own and do 
> not need novels or excuses to describe them.  One just needs to contact the 
> authenticator with a unique serial number and any doubts will be removed. The 
> same goes for coins, baseball cards and many other high end collectables.  Do 
> meteorites need to go the same way?
>
>
> In meteorites, collectors depend more on trust than papering.  It would be 
> cost prohibitive to have independently produced C.O.A.s with unique serial 
> numbers for each every named specimen.  This is where trust comes in.  Trust 
> can only be violated so many times and then confidence goes away.  I see this 
> happening now.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Gary Fujihara 
> To: Adam Hupe 
> Cc: MeteorList 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> Aloha Adam,
>
> Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. 
> We are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious 
> to admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this 
> unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost respect for them.
>
> Andi, keep up your good works in meteorites, and Martin, please get out in 
> the sun again - vitamin D is good for you and the pasty look is most 
> unbecoming.  ;^)
>
> gary
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Adam Hupe  wrote:
>
> > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to 
> > be destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to 
> > completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay 
> > after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines 
> > those who vet their products properly.
> >
> > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. 
> > Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming 
> > it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer 
> > who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for 
> > what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors 
> > out of their hard earned money"
> >
> > Happy Collecting,
> >
> > Adam
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Martin Altmann 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> >
> > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> > the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> > necessary for me to cool down),
> > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> >
> > Mike was right
> > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> > further circulation,
> > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> > Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> >
> > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> > about meteorites,
> > as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> > are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> > recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> > unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> > Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> > the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragm

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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i 
wouldnt talk about these here.

Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of 
samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in images. 
I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do this just 
because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during an average day at 
least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more. Of course i have many 
books, among these is one of the biggest and most detailled textbooks about 
minerals, which was available in germany (Röslers Lehrbuch der speziellen 
Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age of less than 10 years, just 
because the commom books became too boring. I have read every of my books 
during my live more then 10 times, some even so often, that they begun to 
disintegrate.

So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals, than the 
average people, who study some years and put after this studium the textbooks 
in the corner and do just their jobs.

And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should 
show glass and especially bubbles.

You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And 
most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do their jobs. 
You would wonder alot, if you would show common already identified mineral 
samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify these. Especially, 
when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your geologist put some 
hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you?

Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean, that every thing with a hole is a 
fulgurite and does also not exclude the occurrence of wrong fulgurites. Its the 
same thing as with meteorites. Not every black stone in a desert is a meteorite 
and the occurrence of meteorites does not exclude the occurrence of wrongs.


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 19:10
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter.  These
> were found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look like
> more common fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand.  They have pebbles
> and course sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash which is
> more conductive than the hillsides around  here here in Nevada.
> 
>  Please do your research before questioning others genuine products.  A
> geologist and ex NASA researcher has already looked these.  As a matter of
> fact, they are found in dry washes all over Arizona and Nevada. Some are
> standing straight up and have to be dug out of the ground.  Just go to
> Quartzite Arizona and look at what is being offered at the show.
> 
> I will not qualify my product again unless you provide your name and
> qualifications.
> 
> This is not about me, it is about dealers offering fake meteorites.  This
> should concern you more than Genuine fulgurites found here in Nevada.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of any
> fulgurite i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated iron
> oxide (limonite) and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red) or of with
> iron oxide colored glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown, black). And of
> course you can also tell, where the bubbles are and why these fulguite shows
> inner structures, which looks so similar to typical sinter.
> 
> In fact these fulgurites deviate in almost every detail from absolutely all
> fulgurites i know and saw (including google picture search). And i saw alot
> of em. Only one thing resembles to common fulgurites,... the hole. But
> sinter contains also holes.
> 
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   09.06.2013 18:24
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > These are absolutely genuine.
> > 
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as
> during
> > last years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a
> > list.
> > 
> > By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe
> > talk about these:
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g
> 
> > -SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222
> > 
> > Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these
> > absolutely unique fulgurites are most pro

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi List,

This is why the chain of custody and the reputations of the people in
the chain of custody are the most important considerations in the mind
of this collector.

As Adam alluded to with "high end collectibles" - there are
authentication services and agencies that utilize experts to analyze a
given item and compare it to known genuine articles and known
counterfeits.  A true expert with long experience in a specific type
of collectible is very reliable.  When backed up with proper
documentation, then the item is guaranteed as genuine by force of the
reputation of the authenticating agency via the paperwork.

Things like coins, baseball cards, and certain human artifacts, are
readily identified and graded by condition.  Meteorites are much more
difficult to verify and grade.  First, one does not need an electron
microprobe to determine if a Reggie Jackson rookie card is genuine.
Secondly, very few collectors purchase coins or baseball cards based
on subjective criteria like aesthetics or orientation.

Another example, take an moderately-fresh NWA L6 being passed off as a
rare historical L6 chondrite.  A petrographic or hand examination
might not be enough to determine the origin of a specimen.  In such a
case, a scientist with expertise in meteorite pairings is needed to
interpret the results - such specialist scientists don't grow on trees
and they are not lining up around the block to donate valuable
instrument time to settle collector disputes between laymen.

Another consideration - COA's and paperwork are valuable, make no
mistake about that.  But, they have their own unique considerations
with meteorites that do not exist with coins, gemstones, or other
regulated/graded/authenticated collectibles.  A valuable coin graded
and authenticated by a respected agency can be contacted directly and
easily to verify the authenticated article via a serial number.  This
does not exist in the meteorite world.  Any yahoo with a laser printer
and a modicum of talent for desktop publishing can create some very
slick and professional-looking COA's - many of which are only worth
the paper they are printed on.   To some collectors, like me, a simple
type-written specimen card from a dealer like Blaine Reed means the
world over a package of slick looking COA's and brochures from some
unknown or fly-by-night dealer.  Heck, I'll take a hand-written "card"
on an airline napkin from the right dealer.

The reputation of the dealer is the key.  Discovering or judging this
requires a measure of determination on the part of the buyer.  Be
prepared to spend a couple of hours (or more) searching the web,
mailing list archives, and forum archives to find the relevant
information.  If in doubt, locate someone experienced who is widely
deemed as trustworthy and ask that person for guidance.  Or failing
that, post an open question to the Met-List and have the query
considered by hundreds of the most experienced meteorite people on the
planet, and I am sure at least one will render some helpful
information.  Anyone who purchases a valuable and/or rare specimen
without doing this fundamental homework is engaging in risky behavior
(with any collectible, including meteorites).

I've been around long enough now to have witnessed too many of these
events in the meteorite world.  These scandals (small and big) haven't
spoiled my enjoyment of collecting meteorites, but I have grown wiser
for watching them unfold and studying them.  Each case is different
and merits it's own considerations.  The important thing with any
mistake, scandal, scam, or collusion, is that the source is discovered
and any suspect material is revealed publicly and removed from the
market.  The marketplace will render it's own judgements based on the
reputations of those parties involved, the individual circumstances
surrounding each case, and the response (or lack of) by the
seller/source.

Ideally, each case is an honest mistake - the seller makes it right
and the buyer is satisfied with the exchange after event is played
out.  If the material is misidentified but otherwise genuine
meteorite, then it should be properly identified and publicly
announced so other buyers of the same material can be made aware.  If
the material is bogus, then it should be publicly exposed and then
removed from the market.  Phone calls ensue, refunds are sent, and
eventually there are handshakes and shared beers/cigars.

It all boils down to - buyer beware and know your seller.

Best regards and happy collecting/hunting,

MikeG

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On 6/9/13, Adam Hupe  wrote:
> I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever
> w

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter.  These were 
found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look like more common 
fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand.  They have pebbles and course 
sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash which is more conductive 
than the hillsides around  here here in Nevada.

 Please do your research before questioning others genuine products.  A 
geologist and ex NASA researcher has already looked these.  As a matter of 
fact, they are found in dry washes all over Arizona and Nevada. Some are 
standing straight up and have to be dug out of the ground.  Just go to 
Quartzite Arizona and look at what is being offered at the show.

I will not qualify my product again unless you provide your name and 
qualifications.

This is not about me, it is about dealers offering fake meteorites.  This 
should concern you more than Genuine fulgurites found here in Nevada.


Adam


- Original Message -

From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of any fulgurite 
i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated iron oxide (limonite) 
and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red) or of with iron oxide colored 
glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown, black). And of course you can also 
tell, where the bubbles are and why these fulguite shows inner structures, 
which looks so similar to typical sinter.

In fact these fulgurites deviate in almost every detail from absolutely all 
fulgurites i know and saw (including google picture search). And i saw alot of 
em. Only one thing resembles to common fulgurites,... the hole. But sinter 
contains also holes.


- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 18:24
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> These are absolutely genuine.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during
> last years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a
> list.
> 
> By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe
> talk about these:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g
> -SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222
> 
> Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these
> absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or
> aragonite)?
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   09.06.2013 16:51
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need
> to
> > be destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to
> > completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay
> > after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines
> > those who vet their products properly.
> > 
> > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough.
> > Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then
> claiming
> > it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer
> > who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material
> for
> > what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece
> collectors
> > out of their hard earned money"
> > 
> > Happy Collecting,
> > 
> > Adam
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Martin Altmann 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> > the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they
> > were
> > necessary for me to cool down),
> > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> > 
> > Mike was right 
> > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came
> in
> > further circulation,
> > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was
> averted.
> > Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> > 
> > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> > about meteorites,
> > as it's relatively 

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of any fulgurite 
i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated iron oxide (limonite) 
and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red) or of with iron oxide colored 
glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown, black). And of course you can also 
tell, where the bubbles are and why these fulguite shows inner structures, 
which looks so similar to typical sinter.

In fact these fulgurites deviate in almost every detail from absolutely all 
fulgurites i know and saw (including google picture search). And i saw alot of 
em. Only one thing resembles to common fulgurites,... the hole. But sinter 
contains also holes.


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 18:24
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> These are absolutely genuine.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during
> last years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a
> list.
> 
> By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe
> talk about these:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g
> -SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222
> 
> Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these
> absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or
> aragonite)?
> 
> - Original Nachricht 
> Von:     Adam Hupe 
> An:      Adam 
> Datum:   09.06.2013 16:51
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need
> to
> > be destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to
> > completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay
> > after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines
> > those who vet their products properly.
> > 
> > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough.
> > Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then
> claiming
> > it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer
> > who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material
> for
> > what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece
> collectors
> > out of their hard earned money"
> > 
> > Happy Collecting,
> > 
> > Adam
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Martin Altmann 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > 
> > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> > the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they
> > were
> > necessary for me to cool down),
> > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> > 
> > Mike was right 
> > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came
> in
> > further circulation,
> > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was
> averted.
> > Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> > 
> > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> > about meteorites,
> > as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely
> meteorites
> > are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> > recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> > unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> > Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so
> > that
> > the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no
> > fragments
> > of that stone did exist).
> > 
> > We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> > will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> > But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> > His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> > older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a
> part
> > of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> > Vida from Derecske.
> > 
> > So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons
> > of
> > these names contact you.
> > 
> > 
> > Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> > now I failed.
> > That sh

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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever with 
Andi.  One or two mistakes over a long period of time is understandable.  
Taking immediate responsibility for a mistake is admirable and the right thing 
to do.

It is when I see a pattern that I become alarmed.  I have observed long-winded 
descriptions in the artifact market.  This is reason for great concern.  
Genuine artifacts with proper papering stand on their own and do not need 
novels or excuses to describe them.  One just needs to contact the 
authenticator with a unique serial number and any doubts will be removed. The 
same goes for coins, baseball cards and many other high end collectables.  Do 
meteorites need to go the same way?


In meteorites, collectors depend more on trust than papering.  It would be cost 
prohibitive to have independently produced C.O.A.s with unique serial numbers 
for each every named specimen.  This is where trust comes in.  Trust can only 
be violated so many times and then confidence goes away.  I see this happening 
now.



Adam



- Original Message -
From: Gary Fujihara 
To: Adam Hupe 
Cc: MeteorList 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

Aloha Adam,

Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. We 
are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious to 
admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this 
unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost respect for them.

Andi, keep up your good works in meteorites, and Martin, please get out in the 
sun again - vitamin D is good for you and the pasty look is most unbecoming.  
;^)

gary

On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Adam Hupe  wrote:

> How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to be 
> destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to completely 
> destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay after this 
> latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines those who vet 
> their products properly.
> 
> I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. 
> Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming it 
> came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer who 
> has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for what 
> is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors out of 
> their hard earned money"
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Altmann 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> 
> Mike was right 
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> 
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
> of that stone did exist).
> 
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
> 
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
> these names contact you.
> 
> 
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
> 
> 
> S

Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

These are absolutely genuine.


Adam


- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during last 
years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a list.

By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe talk 
about these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g-SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222

Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these 
absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or aragonite)?

- Original Nachricht 
Von:     Adam Hupe 
An:      Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 16:51
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to
> be destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to
> completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay
> after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines
> those who vet their products properly.
> 
> I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough.
> Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming
> it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer
> who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for
> what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors
> out of their hard earned money"
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Altmann 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they
> were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> 
> Mike was right 
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> 
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so
> that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no
> fragments
> of that stone did exist).
> 
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
> 
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons
> of
> these names contact you.
> 
> 
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope
> to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
> 
> 
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
> 
> Martin Altmann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[plagioklas]

Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during last 
years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a list.

By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe talk 
about these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g-SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222

Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that these 
absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or aragonite)?

- Original Nachricht 
Von: Adam Hupe 
An:  Adam 
Datum:   09.06.2013 16:51
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to
> be destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to
> completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay
> after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines
> those who vet their products properly.
> 
> I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough.
> Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming
> it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer
> who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for
> what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors
> out of their hard earned money"
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Altmann 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they
> were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> 
> Mike was right 
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> 
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so
> that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no
> fragments
> of that stone did exist).
> 
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
> 
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons
> of
> these names contact you.
> 
> 
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope
> to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
> 
> 
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
> 
> Martin Altmann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Gary Fujihara]

Aloha Adam,

Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. We 
are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious to 
admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this 
unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost respect for them.

Andi, keep up your good works in meteorites, and Martin, please get out in the 
sun again - vitamin D is good for you and the pasty look is most unbecoming.  
;^)

gary

On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Adam Hupe  wrote:

> How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to be 
> destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to completely 
> destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay after this 
> latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines those who vet 
> their products properly.
> 
> I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. 
> Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming it 
> came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer who 
> has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for what 
> is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors out of 
> their hard earned money"
> 
> Happy Collecting,
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Altmann 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> 
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> 
> Mike was right 
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> 
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
> of that stone did exist).
> 
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
> 
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
> these names contact you.
> 
> 
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
> 
> 
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
> 
> Martin Altmann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Adam Hupe]

How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to be 
destroyed?  How many times does this have to happen in order to completely 
destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay after this 
latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines those who vet 
their products properly.

I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. Distributing 
fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming it came from a 
Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.  Any meteorite dealer who has been around 
for a few years would have recognized this material for what is really is; 
"Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors out of their hard 
earned money"

Happy Collecting,

Adam
 




- Original Message -
From: Martin Altmann 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

(A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
the collectors for not falling for the same scam)


Hello,

After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
necessary for me to cool down),
I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.

Mike was right 
and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
further circulation,
neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
Therefore we have to thank Mike.

Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
about meteorites,
as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
of that stone did exist).

We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
will appear to the harm of the collectors.
But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
Vida from Derecske.

So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
these names contact you.


Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
now I failed.
That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
(At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
stay fake-free now till 2046).


So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
to see the sun again..

Martin Altmann





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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Michael Farmer]

Thank you Martin
Perhaps we all handled the situation poorly:)
The outcome however is ok.
We all learned valuable lessons.
We will all have a beer soon in France,
Neutral ground:) 
Going to bed in Japan now.
Michael Farmer


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:33 PM, "Martin Altmann"  
wrote:

> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> 
> Mike was right 
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> 
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
> of that stone did exist).
> 
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
> 
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
> these names contact you.
> 
> 
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
> 
> 
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
> 
> Martin Altmann
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Alexander Seidel]

Kudos, Martin! Give him (and Andi) a hand, folks!

Nobody is perfectly immune to errors, and this one was
by no means intentional. They apologized, and this is
very honorable, and even more: it is outstanding!

Alex
Berlin/Germany




> Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juni 2013 um 14:33 Uhr
> Von: "Martin Altmann" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
> the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
>
>
> Hello,
>
> After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
> necessary for me to cool down),
> I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
> Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
>
> Mike was right
> and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
> further circulation,
> neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
> so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
> Therefore we have to thank Mike.
>
> Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
> about meteorites,
> as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
> are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
> recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
> unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
> Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
> the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
> of that stone did exist).
>
> We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
> will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> But the seller seems to be now untraceable.
> His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
> older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
> of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
> Vida from Derecske.
>
> So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
> these names contact you.
>
>
> Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
> now I failed.
> That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
> (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
> stay fake-free now till 2046).
>
>
> So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> to see the sun again..
>
> Martin Altmann
>
>
>
>
>
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[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

[Martin Altmann]

(A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
the collectors for not falling for the same scam)


Hello,

After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
necessary for me to cool down),
I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to
Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.

Mike was right 
and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in
further circulation,
neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed,
so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted.
Therefore we have to thank Mike.

Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge
about meteorites,
as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites
are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can
recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to
unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university
Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that
the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments
of that stone did exist).

We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes
will appear to the harm of the collectors.
But the seller seems to be now untraceable. 
His name is:   Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an
older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part
of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József
Vida from Derecske.

So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of
these names contact you.


Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones,
now I failed.
That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable.
(At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to
stay fake-free now till 2046).


So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
to see the sun again..

Martin Altmann





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[meteorite-list] AD auctions on eBay ends in 12 hours

[Marcin Cimala]

Hello list
like last sunday I have some specimens for sale.
http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

Meteorite GAO-GUENIE [H5] full slice IMPACT MELT 5.13g WOW
Meteorite NWA 4967 [CO3.2] fresh carbonaceous slice 2.45g
Meteorite NWA 4969 [Brachinite] fresh slice 0.732g Rare
Meteorite NWA 5205 [LL3.2] excellent amphoterite 17.74g
Meteorite NWA 5219 [SHERGOTTITE] fragments 0.108g
Meteorite NWA 5498 [H4] chondrite slice 8.20g
Meteorite NWA 5499 [PAL] desert Pallasite endpiece 3.35g
Meteorite NWA 6308 [BRA] rare achondrite BRACHINITE 1.372g
Meteorite NWA 6309 [EUC] fresh silica-rich eucrite 10.80g
Meteorite NWA 6309 [EUC] fresh silica-rich eucrite 3.95g
Meteorite NWA 7490 [DIOGENITE] Johnstown like fresh 0.43g
Meteorite NWA 6266 [MESO] endpiece 3.25g with lots of fre
Meteorite NWA 869 [L4-6] polished endpiece specimen 10.23g
Meteorite NWA 6725 [CM2] rare carbonaceous fragment 0.063g
Meteorite NWA 4967 [CO3.2] fresh carbonaceous slice 3.71g
Meteorite NWA 4430 [L3.8] low petrographic type 8.56g
Meteorite NWA 5499 [PAL] desert Pallasite slice 9.38g in BOX
Meteorite TAMDAKHT [H5] observed fall - slice 2.29g
Meteorite GAO-GUENIE [H5] COMPLETE SPECIMEN 20.75g
Meteorite NWA 2826 [LL5] fresh amphoterite slice 7.72g
Meteorite NWA 4558 [L4] big full slice 32.55g LAST SLICE!
Meteorite NWA 6256 [DIOGENITE] part slice 2.31g NEW
Meteorite AGOUDAL [IIAB] New iron from Morocco 6.05g ETCH
Meteorite NWA 7854 [EUCRITE] polished slice 12.17g NEW
Meteorite NWA 7855 [H4] polished slice 3.42g NEW CLASSIFIED
Meteorite NWA 869 [L4-6] polished full slice specimen 9.29g
Meteorite TAZA [Iron Plessite] complete specimen 3.21g 
Meteorite WELLMAN (F) rare H3.5 from USA polished slice 3.96g


http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
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[meteorite-list] AD: Membrane Box Sale!

[Matthew Martin]

Aloha Everyone,

I've just received a new shipment of hinged membrane boxes and am  
offering a sale on them from now through Wednesday (June 12th).  I've  
received great positive feedback from many collectors and institutions  
with regard to these boxes and am pleased that they have been received  
with high regard.  These boxes offer additional depth compared to the  
traditional membrane boxes and the hinged case makes it easier to open  
without jarring the contents or misplacing the lid.  Cases close  
securely via a snap fastener.


For photos and box dimensions, click here:

http://meteoritetreasures.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=53_81



***MEMBRANE BOX SALE*** (All boxes are hinged)

SMALL  (Reg. $2.50 ea.)
Qty / Price
1-24  $2.00 ea.
25-199  $1.50 ea.
200+  $1.25 ea.

MEDIUM  (Reg. $3.00 ea.)
Qty / Price
1-24  $2.50 ea.
25-199  $2.00 ea.
200+  $1.75 ea.

LARGE  (Reg. $4.00 ea.)
Qty / Price
1-24  $3.00 ea.
25-199  $2.75 ea.
200+ 2.50 ea.


If you place an order directly on my website, the quantity discounts  
will be applied immediately.  I will send an additional invoice for  
shipping after the package is weighed and cost calculated.  I also  
welcome email orders as well.  Payment via Paypal is accepted and I  
also accept all major credit cards directly.



Shipping costs will depend on weight and destination.  The most  
economical method will be utilized unless requested otherwise.   
Flat-rate boxes are usually the most economical and utilized for  
medium and large quantities.  First class for small quantities.   
International orders welcome.




To order from my website, click here (you can also reply via email to order):

http://meteoritetreasures.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=53_81



Thanks for reading to the end!


Aloha,

Matthew


--
Matthew Martin, IMCA # 4238
Meteorite Treasures
P.O. Box 164, Kaaawa, HI 96730
www.meteoritetreasures.com

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[valparint]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Smithland

Contributed by: Anne Black

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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