Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village: Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars After Black Stones From Space Rain Down

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Steve is not "reselling". You are taking advantage of a mentally-challenged 
person who loves to throw his money in the trash. He bought a piece from me and 
promptly sold it for 1/3 what he paid before he even received it. You know what 
he does, why he does it no one knows. You should be ashamed to even participate 
in that nonsense. I am ashamed I sold to him. It won't happen again. I guess 
too much time had passed and I had forgotten what was likely to happen. 
Michael

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> On Nov 16, 2015, at 3:44 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was not going to mention my deal with Steve in this discussion, Michael, 
> because I did not want people to think they could already find it cheaper 
> from others who are reselling for their own reasons.  I did not want to 
> undermine your investment by stating that, but now the cat is out of the bag, 
> and that is your doing.
> 
> Yes, in case anyone is wondering, you can already find a good deal on Bingol 
> by having a little patience, and buying a piece from someone reselling.  Like 
> I said before, I am always looking for the deals.  Otherwise how do you 
> afford meteorites on a Medical Student's income...?
> 
> All this discussion about prices does not change the current prices, it only 
> changes the attitude toward these prices in the future.  That's what is 
> important in my mind.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
> 
>> On 11/15/15 at 11:58 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> 
>> You didn't buy that Chelyabinsk from me, I never sold for that price. And 
>> I'm sorry, but a 10,000 ton impactor flooded the market with more material 
>> than the market could consume. Classic supply and demand. Don't worry about 
>> it. Since you were able to take advantage of Steve's imbecile behavior of 
>> selling Bingol at 1/3 of what he paid me, or not, don't know if he cancelled 
>> that deal, if so you got a good price. If not, then go buy NWA chondrites, 
>> they're nice and cheap. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> Chelyabinsk was an extraordinary event too.  I spent 50$/g on my first 
>>> specimens of it and now they sell for 5$/g from IMCA sellers on the good 
>>> old fashioned irrelevent Ebay. ;-)
>> 
>> 
>>> Extraordinary event or no, that doesn't mean a piece of Bingol sold for 
>>> 150$/g today won't show up on Ebay a year from now for less than half that 
>>> price.
>> 
>> 
>>> G'night all.  Have fun collecting. :-)
>> 
>> 
>>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Sent using the mail.com mail app
>> 
>> 
 On 11/15/15 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> 
>> 
 I'm simply shocked at the seeming lack of knowledge I'm seeing lately. 
 Between the people who still think eBay is relevant to the fact that a 
 Howardite fall seems blasé compared to incredible Morasko. I am 
 flabbergasted that the new collectors/dealers see clueless as to exactly 
 what an extraordinary even this was.  I didn't just go to a damned war 
 zone lightly. But it's a chance of a lifetime so I took the risks. Not 
 alone I might add. But hey, don't worry, some campitos are up for grabs 
 tonight on eBay:)
>> 
 Sorry guys, not at all impugning small collectors. I spent the time to 
 package and ship $20 orders from Europe! In one box a $20 piece, the next 
 box a $20,000 piece. Sounds to me like I take care of my customers, down 
 to the smallest order.
>> 
>> 
 Michael Farmer
>> 
>> 
 Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Gmail  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Michael,
>> 
>> 
> Seriously! John is a collector and enthusiastic about meteorites. Maybe 
> you have bought and sold $150k of Bingol, but that doesn't give you the 
> right to insult people. Why not keep your personal business dealings to 
> yourself? You work hard for your living, you may even be the top grossing 
> dealer on this planet, but no need to tell everyone. You have a great 
> reputation until you say things like this. There is room for all kinds of 
> collectors and, dare I say, even dealers. I personally felt John's 
> comments engendered some great discussions and provided unique insights 
> likely shared by others. Clearly, based on my own response, I did not 
> agree with John, but I never felt the need to insult him.
>> 
>> 
> Oh well, to each his own.
>> 
>> 
> Mendy Ouzillou
>> 
>> 
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Who is this? A new dealer?
>> 
> Comparing a howardite fall to Morasko? A frigging rotten old iron that 
> can be found by the ton? Identical to campo? Please, these people need to 
> go find a meteorite Walmart. 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list]

Hi,

I have always enjoyed the inspiration for Mr. Harry Wittlinger's copy;
"Schweizer Bilderchronik des Luzerners" by Diebold Schilling. It was used as
the cover of "The History of Meteoritics and Key Meteorite Collection:
Fireballs, Finds and Finds" by McCall et al.

Thanks,

Peter

 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village: Bingol is not overpriced, here is why.

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

It's a nice crusted stone, pretty to look at. There are lots of nice crusted 
pretty stones available from other falls and finds. There are 159 non-Antarctic 
Howardites so how special will #160 be?

As a collector I don't give a hoot about Syrian machine guns, skittish Kurd 
guides, or the expense of airline tickets. All that is the on-the-spot buyer's 
problem, as is making money from the venture. I'm looking for nice material 
that will hold its value or even has some money left in it.

Chelyabinsk started well over $100 per gram and nice specimens are now 
available for 10 bucks or less. Similar price erosion occurred with Ash Creek, 
Buzzard Coulee, and Tissint. All witnessed falls and none very old.

It's expensive being in on the 'ground floor'!

Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204

> I'm sorry Anne, perhaps a good internet check would clue you in that since 
> the Syrian war, things have slightly changed in that area. Go there now. I 
> have videos of machine gun fire in the area surrounding Bing?l. We left 7 
> days early because my Kurdish guide was afraid for our safety. The 
> strenwfield has Syrian refugees camped out in it. 
> Damascus was nice place to have tea 5 years ago. Today it is a rubble pile.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village:Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars AfterBlack Stones From Space Rain Down

[PolandMET via Meteorite-list]

Hello
Friends everyone buy what he want and what he can pay. Bingol is great fresh 
meteorite with excellent crust. For sure worth to buy. But as history show, 
in a few months there will be another super cool new fall, maybe diogenite 
and what will happend with Bingol ? It will be forgotten. Like first Chellys 
sold for hundreds per gram it turned to 5/g now. Same with Tissint and may 
other. Mike make great sales becouse everyone is crazy on Bingol now. When 
something new will fall, marker crazynes will go to the new material.


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You didn't buy that Chelyabinsk from me, I never sold for that price. And 
I'm sorry, but a 10,000 ton impactor flooded the market with more material 
than the market could consume. Classic supply and demand. Don't worry 
about it. Since you were able to take advantage of Steve's imbecile 
behavior of selling Bingol at 1/3 of what he paid me, or not, don't know 
if he cancelled that deal, if so you got a good price. If not, then go buy 
NWA chondrites, they're nice and cheap.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


Chelyabinsk was an extraordinary event too.  I spent 50$/g on my first 
specimens of it and now they sell for 5$/g from IMCA sellers on the good 
old fashioned irrelevent Ebay. ;-)


Extraordinary event or no, that doesn't mean a piece of Bingol sold for 
150$/g today won't show up on Ebay a year from now for less than half 
that price.


G'night all.  Have fun collecting. :-)

John




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On 11/15/15 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

I'm simply shocked at the seeming lack of knowledge I'm seeing lately. 
Between the people who still think eBay is relevant to the fact that a 
Howardite fall seems blasé compared to incredible Morasko. I am 
flabbergasted that the new collectors/dealers see clueless as to exactly 
what an extraordinary even this was.  I didn't just go to a damned war 
zone lightly. But it's a chance of a lifetime so I took the risks. Not 
alone I might add. But hey, don't worry, some campitos are up for grabs 
tonight on eBay:)
Sorry guys, not at all impugning small collectors. I spent the time to 
package and ship $20 orders from Europe! In one box a $20 piece, the 
next box a $20,000 piece. Sounds to me like I take care of my customers, 
down to the smallest order.


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Gmail  wrote:

Michael,

Seriously! John is a collector and enthusiastic about meteorites. Maybe 
you have bought and sold $150k of Bingol, but that doesn't give you the 
right to insult people. Why not keep your personal business dealings to 
yourself? You work hard for your living, you may even be the top 
grossing dealer on this planet, but no need to tell everyone. You have 
a great reputation until you say things like this. There is room for 
all kinds of collectors and, dare I say, even dealers. I personally 
felt John's comments engendered some great discussions and provided 
unique insights likely shared by others. Clearly, based on my own 
response, I did not agree with John, but I never felt the need to 
insult him.


Oh well, to each his own.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


Who is this? A new dealer?
Comparing a howardite fall to Morasko? A frigging rotten old iron that 
can be found by the ton? Identical to campo? Please, these people need 
to go find a meteorite Walmart. Leave the actual good stuff to the 
professionals?
I've already bought and sold more than $150,000 in Bingöl. And eBay is 
not the place it sells.

Good luck guys. Bottom feeders.


Michael Farmer

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


Hi John,

I completely understand what you mean, as I have made a great living
selling meteorites of all types over the last 18 years.

However, history has proven that while most meteorites do go up in
value over time - rare witnessed falls almost always appreciate in
value dramatically.

Which explains why so many collectors moving to collecting only falls 
now days.





On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Ruben,
For 450$ you can get a 3g piece of Bingol (that you need a loop to 
really enjoy) or you can get a 177g etched slice of Morasko that 
looks phenomenal in your collection.


Added to this, that Bingol piece really isn't any harder to find for 
the buyer than Morasko, and in the long run will probably be worth 
50-75% of 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Fall Over Eastern Turkish Village: Poor Villagers Make Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars After Black Stones From Space Rain Down

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

I was not going to mention my deal with Steve in this discussion, Michael, 
because I did not want people to think they could already find it cheaper from 
others who are reselling for their own reasons.  I did not want to undermine 
your investment by stating that, but now the cat is out of the bag, and that is 
your doing.

Yes, in case anyone is wondering, you can already find a good deal on Bingol by 
having a little patience, and buying a piece from someone reselling.  Like I 
said before, I am always looking for the deals.  Otherwise how do you afford 
meteorites on a Medical Student's income...?

All this discussion about prices does not change the current prices, it only 
changes the attitude toward these prices in the future.  That's what is 
important in my mind.

John





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On 11/15/15 at 11:58 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

> You didn't buy that Chelyabinsk from me, I never sold for that price. And I'm 
> sorry, but a 10,000 ton impactor flooded the market with more material than 
> the market could consume. Classic supply and demand. Don't worry about it. 
> Since you were able to take advantage of Steve's imbecile behavior of selling 
> Bingol at 1/3 of what he paid me, or not, don't know if he cancelled that 
> deal, if so you got a good price. If not, then go buy NWA chondrites, they're 
> nice and cheap. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Chelyabinsk was an extraordinary event too.  I spent 50$/g on my first 
> > specimens of it and now they sell for 5$/g from IMCA sellers on the good 
> > old fashioned irrelevent Ebay. ;-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > Extraordinary event or no, that doesn't mean a piece of Bingol sold for 
> > 150$/g today won't show up on Ebay a year from now for less than half that 
> > price.
> 
> > 
> 
> > G'night all.  Have fun collecting. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > John
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> 
> > 
> 
> >> On 11/15/15 at 11:08 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> I'm simply shocked at the seeming lack of knowledge I'm seeing lately. 
> >> Between the people who still think eBay is relevant to the fact that a 
> >> Howardite fall seems blasé compared to incredible Morasko. I am 
> >> flabbergasted that the new collectors/dealers see clueless as to exactly 
> >> what an extraordinary even this was.  I didn't just go to a damned war 
> >> zone lightly. But it's a chance of a lifetime so I took the risks. Not 
> >> alone I might add. But hey, don't worry, some campitos are up for grabs 
> >> tonight on eBay:) 
> 
> >> Sorry guys, not at all impugning small collectors. I spent the time to 
> >> package and ship $20 orders from Europe! In one box a $20 piece, the next 
> >> box a $20,000 piece. Sounds to me like I take care of my customers, down 
> >> to the smallest order. 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Michael Farmer 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> 
> >> 
> 
> >>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Gmail  wrote:
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Michael,
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Seriously! John is a collector and enthusiastic about meteorites. Maybe 
> >>> you have bought and sold $150k of Bingol, but that doesn't give you the 
> >>> right to insult people. Why not keep your personal business dealings to 
> >>> yourself? You work hard for your living, you may even be the top grossing 
> >>> dealer on this planet, but no need to tell everyone. You have a great 
> >>> reputation until you say things like this. There is room for all kinds of 
> >>> collectors and, dare I say, even dealers. I personally felt John's 
> >>> comments engendered some great discussions and provided unique insights 
> >>> likely shared by others. Clearly, based on my own response, I did not 
> >>> agree with John, but I never felt the need to insult him.
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Oh well, to each his own.
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Mendy Ouzillou
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> >>>  wrote:
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Who is this? A new dealer?
> 
> >>> Comparing a howardite fall to Morasko? A frigging rotten old iron that 
> >>> can be found by the ton? Identical to campo? Please, these people need to 
> >>> go find a meteorite Walmart. Leave the actual good stuff to the 
> >>> professionals? 
> 
> >>> I've already bought and sold more than $150,000 in Bingöl. And eBay is 
> >>> not the place it sells.
> 
> >>> Good luck guys. Bottom feeders.
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> Michael Farmer
> 
> >>> 
> 
>  On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
>   wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  Hi John,
> 
>  
> 
>  I completely understand what you mean, as I have made a great living
> 
>  selling meteorites of all types over the last 18 years.
> 
>  
> 
>  However, 

[meteorite-list] FW: Bingol Classification

[ian macleod via Meteorite-list]

>
> Hi hopefully the drama regarding prices has subsided
>
> Whether they are expensive or cheap, who cares! Supply and DemandWhat 
> is positive is that they were recovered and people can actually own them?
>
> If Mike is too expensive then we need more recovery crews. Till then.if 
> he recovers them he can charge what he wants
>
> If he cant sell he lowers the price.simple...but he is selling so.
>
> Now the really important question is, who is classifying? How long will this 
> take.
>
> Also will there be Turkish scientific collaboration, to keep that country 
> happy
>
> Turkey is going through some crazy political and social turmoil, they may or 
> may not be concerned with meteorites, yet again they maybe. I would like to 
> see more classification going on in other countries rather than grab the 
> rocks and head back to the US first
>
> What say you
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Ian MacLeod
>
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>




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