[meteorite-list] Ad 18 hours Only, Newport, Mincy, Coolidge, Archie, Little Piney
List, I just got in some very rare items, and Saturday morning I am shipping them off to be cut with a wire saw, unless someone tempts me with an offer to not cut any of them. You can see them here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.507772329239425.100757631.116030671746928type=1 Email me if interested in discussing saving any of these from the saw as is. Or let me know if you want to be on a list for a smaller piece when cut down this next week. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Some very scarely seen meteorites on ebay NOW
Hey List, I just got up some really rare, and some never seen on the market meteorites on Ebay. I am more prone to just cut these down into smaller pieces after a day or two for the ones that don't sell than to do this round in a Reverse Auction like the last round a couple of months ago. If you like any of these, but maybe they are just too big for you, let me know and I might be able to cut them for you. http://www.ebay.com/sch/arnoldmeteorites/m.html?hash=item3cc834c440item=261056939072pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=nc_trksid=p4340.l2562 Also, I have some brand new Sutter's Mill Dust cards there on Ebay. And, last but not least we finally got our really cool Brick-N-Mortar store T-shirts up on Ebay. If you can't stop by to get one in person, here's your chance to grab one. And like Henry Ford said about the Model T: You can get it in any color you want, as long as it is black! But our model does come in 5 sizes. All here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/arnoldmeteorites/m.html?hash=item3cc834c440item=261056939072pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=nc_trksid=p4340.l2562 Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Proprietor of Meteorites and More Meteorite Store in Eureka Springs, AR President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Co-Founder Meteorite Cards, hot new collectible trading cards www.MeteoriteCards.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men meteorh...@aol.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] stability of morasko iron
Steve Arnold #2, Indeed it is good to know you and your skin are more resilient than Morasko is to the terrestialisation process. Steve Arnold #1 --Original Message-- From: steve arnold Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] stability of morasko iron Sent: Jun 20, 2012 8:02 PM Good evening list. It has been a while,but Im still around. Hey of all the well known iron meteorites out there,like sikhote-alin,campo,mundrabilla,henbury etc. How stable is the morasko iron? I have never owned one and I am seeing them more available. I need to know before one comes to chicago. Any help will be appreciated. Also today I went for my 6 month skin cancer check-up and I am good for another 6 months. Good feeling to have with the weekend coming. All I need is a job. Have a great eveing all. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fayetteville, AR H4 help needed
Hello List, I have an opportunity to do an institutional trade and possibly get some Fayetteville Arkansas H4 in exchange. Here is my challenge: what is a fair value on this material? Here is the info on it, 2.36 kg was recovered from a witnessed fall on December 26, 1934 (2 stones I think). Very little has ever made it into private collections, and little has made it to very many institutional collections as well. And yet while it has a humble H4 classification, it is a regolith breccia and there has been a stack load of research done on this rock. While we hear the term regolith breccia used with howardites and Lunars a lot, I am not sure how many ordinary chondrites get this honor of being from the very surface of an asteriod's crust? Maybe Bernd can help with the exhaustive list. In any case, this is no ordinary ordinary chondrite, but just how extraordinary is it? And how would some guess the market would value such a rock? My fear is in both either over valuing it or in under valuing it. I want to be fair in the trade. In any case, we are only talking about a few grams here, so I am not looking at the need to liquidating kilos of the stuff if I should be fortunate enough to get some.Any input is greatly appreciated. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Rare, and seldom or never seen specimens for sale
Hey List, I have a new batch of Meteorites in that will go up for sale. A couple I will probably send to the saw ASAP, but others I will probably put on Ebay in another famous Arnold Reverse Auction, but before I do, I figured I would try to avoid the Ebay fees. So, check them out here. If you like any of these at these prices, let me know. If no one likes them, they will either get cut or will start going down in price on Ebay. http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/Rare%20Specimens%20June%202012/ Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Murchison Help
List, So, there is a Sutter's Mill paper being written, lots of them actually. But I and one of my slices are helping out with one in particular and it might actually end up in some fun places other than the abstract as well. Anyway, we need to get a slice of Murchison cut (but not polished) and photographed to go next to the photo of the Sutter's Mill slice the researchers are using. Would anyone have around a 3 gram Murchison that could be cut in half and photographed for the project? I would think the added exposure that specific specimen would get for appearing in the paper would make up for the saw losses, and you could feel good about helping science out! :-) Or does someone have a Murchison about that size, in the US, that I could buy for the project? Please email me off list if you might be able to help. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Murchison Slice Needed
Hey List, Does anyone have a slice of Murchison for loan or for sale? Please contact off list. Thanks, Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull
Glad to see they stuck with Sutter's Mill as the name. In an era where we no longer need to turn to the index in the back of a physical atlas to locate where in it a particular meteorite was found, it is good to see the guidelines for the name being relaxed a bit. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:25:17 To: met-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Subject: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Sutter%27s+Millsfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=55529 Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull
Me too Jim, I get rebellious every once in a while and call my Ash Creeks by the name of West since I still can't find Ash Creek in my list of Texas Post Office locations. And since we can alter over time from that rule, it is good to see new ones are being adapted even now. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:44:50 To: met-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull Hi Steve and all! I was a little worried. What was good, I think, was that Sutter's Mill was already in GNIS and had a number where as some of the other locations did not! I am glad to see the name stuck.because that's what it is known as! Jim Jim Wooddell http://k7wfr.us - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull Glad to see they stuck with Sutter's Mill as the name. In an era where we no longer need to turn to the index in the back of a physical atlas to locate where in it a particular meteorite was found, it is good to see the guidelines for the name being relaxed a bit. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:25:17 To: met-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Subject: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Sutter%27s+Millsfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=55529 Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Sutter's Mill Slices and specks for sale
Hey All, I got photos and prices of my slices of the Sutter's Mill up today here: http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/SM48%20Slice I struggled a bit on what to price these at. If I knew there was a reliable supply to replace them with, that would be one thing. But my sources have seemed to dry up. But of course, I want to sell (at least some of them) here in the near future. I figured I can always break these down into smaller part slices. But the brecciation is quite amazing, and I wanted to give people a shot at a full slice, or a near full slice before breaking them down more especially if someone likes the larger mosaic. I also have some small specks in boxes glued to very nice colored ID cards each personally signed COA by me on Ebay right now. About half of the 56 have sold already at $24.95 here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5039.m570.l1313_nkw=meteorite+sutter%27s+card_sacat=0. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
Hey List, I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill. So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones in them? Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
Well Mike, If I can add a measly 10% to the body of knowledge of this meteorite, by sacrificing one little stone (heck if I can help add 1/10 of 1%) I think that would be great. My guess is that a lot of these stones that are going into both institutional and private collections won't ever be broken up much less in a non contaminated way and they will sit as whole stones behind glass for thousands of years. Nothing wrong with that at all. I'm just saying that one might gather from your post below that you were implying in a self righteous manner that I might have done something horribly wrong by having one of these (already contaminated) meteorites sliced? Of course there are opportunity costs in any course of action one takes. The slices I have now, while they are not useful anymore for SOME research and some examination purposes, they are however are VERY interesting (at least to me) in what they show. I see things that quite frankly, I am not sure one can see from a broken fragment. I am sure a thin section would show much of this better, but then of course, one would really be destroying a lot of material to get a thin section. (Look out Anne and E.T., there might be an IMCA violation in there somewhere toward you guys. - just kidding) Anyway, I think any researcher who will want to purchase any of my slices will be quite aware of the research limitations that the cutting has placed on the slices. But thanks for your concern Mike. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:06:51 To: meteorh...@aol.commeteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Steve, are you aware that slicing this meteorite is destroying 90% of the minerals and science value of it? It is an extremely rare meteorite and cutting does far more damage than breaking. We are having a 19 gram individual broken up in the UofA laboratory now and cutting was absolutely ruled out Due to the damage it would cause, even dry. While slice must be beautiful and I would love to see the pics, it should really not be done on this meteorite. FYI Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:57 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hey List, I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill. So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones in them? Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
By the way Mike, Good on ya as they say in Australia, to you and Greg both, on the donation to the U of A. It was a good thing to do and you all spun some great PR for the meteorite community out of the event as well. Not always an easy thing to pull off. I suppose in 2 years or so, when the papers are published, and this gets named and classified, we will all start to appreciate what we have here. It is a bit unfortunate that meteoritical laws require that information not be made public until after the papers are peer reviewed, presented and published. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:56:26 To: meteorh...@aol.commeteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Steve, not saying anything bad, simply letting you know what the lab told me, hopefully before many other people decide to cut pieces. This meteorite when broken, retains all minerals, crystals (and there are Many) volatiles etc, even when down to the smallest pieces. Again, you can do anything you want, I am not stopping you. Just letting you know that this is one of the rarest Meteorites we have ever seen, that's why Greg and I decided to donate some grams to the UOfA. I really hope most is preserved in the best forms possible for future science. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 10:43 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Well Mike, If I can add a measly 10% to the body of knowledge of this meteorite, by sacrificing one little stone (heck if I can help add 1/10 of 1%) I think that would be great. My guess is that a lot of these stones that are going into both institutional and private collections won't ever be broken up much less in a non contaminated way and they will sit as whole stones behind glass for thousands of years. Nothing wrong with that at all. I'm just saying that one might gather from your post below that you were implying in a self righteous manner that I might have done something horribly wrong by having one of these (already contaminated) meteorites sliced? Of course there are opportunity costs in any course of action one takes. The slices I have now, while they are not useful anymore for SOME research and some examination purposes, they are however are VERY interesting (at least to me) in what they show. I see things that quite frankly, I am not sure one can see from a broken fragment. I am sure a thin section would show much of this better, but then of course, one would really be destroying a lot of material to get a thin section. (Look out Anne and E.T., there might be an IMCA violation in there somewhere toward you guys. - just kidding) Anyway, I think any researcher who will want to purchase any of my slices will be quite aware of the research limitations that the cutting has placed on the slices. But thanks for your concern Mike. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:06:51 To: meteorh...@aol.commeteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Steve, are you aware that slicing this meteorite is destroying 90% of the minerals and science value of it? It is an extremely rare meteorite and cutting does far more damage than breaking. We are having a 19 gram individual broken up in the UofA laboratory now and cutting was absolutely ruled out Due to the damage it would cause, even dry. While slice must be beautiful and I would love to see the pics, it should really not be done on this meteorite. FYI Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:57 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hey List, I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill. So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones in them? Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
Photos of 0.38 gr slice http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/SM Slice/ Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men --Original Message-- From: Peter Scherff To: meteorh...@aol.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Sent: May 17, 2012 1:52 PM Hi Steve, You are cruel sending an e-mail like this without a link to a photo. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of meteorh...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:58 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Hey List, I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill. So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones in them? Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
Oops, Try this: http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/SM%20Slice Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:24:02 To: Peter Scherffpetersche...@rcn.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: meteorh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Photos of 0.38 gr slice http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/SM Slice/ Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men --Original Message-- From: Peter Scherff To: meteorh...@aol.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Sent: May 17, 2012 1:52 PM Hi Steve, You are cruel sending an e-mail like this without a link to a photo. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of meteorh...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:58 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Hey List, I just got in some slices of Sutter's Mill. So I have a question, do carbonaceous chondrites ever have impact melt zones in them? Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?
Jeff, Of course there are no Laws only it seems like people almost act like there are such restrictions. I should have put the little quotes around the word the first time. Of course there are financial reasons why hunters want to keep some info private at times, for financial reasonsm. And there are probably financial reasons why researchers don't want to invest time and money into researching something only to have some unethical researcher scoop credit or grant money from them if they let info out of the bag too early. Still, it would be nice if that information would be free to everyone as it arrives. Probably ain't gonna happen, but it would still be great wouldn't it? This is super news that a Metbull classification is coming real soon. Do you have any idea when that might happen? By the way, this is FAR better than having to wait a year or longer like in years gone by. It is a wonderful time we live in. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men --Original Message-- From: Jeff Grossman To: meteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Sent: May 17, 2012 2:30 PM I'm not sure what you're referring to with this statement... an entry in MetBull will probably be published very soon. After that, there are no Meteoritical Society bylaws or anything else concerning the release of information. Of course, some authors may not release all of his/her data until such time that they don't get scooped on their research, and journals like Science and Nature have embargoes of articles prior to publication. But MetSoc does not stand in the way of release of information to the public in any way... in fact, it promotes the dissemination of information, e.g., by sponsoring meetings and workshops. Jeff On 5/17/2012 2:19 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: I suppose in 2 years or so, when the papers are published, and this gets named and classified, we will all start to appreciate what we have here. It is a bit unfortunate that meteoritical laws require that information not be made public until after the papers are peer reviewed, presented and published. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon!
Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and Such Hammer Fall is very often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree. However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core sample taken from it. His records showed it did NOT come from the Smithsonian's specimen but rather the museum that held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams total and was sold to the market back in 1999. The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. Personally I would think they should have a very significant premium over the Non-Hammer Syclaga pieces. A side note, due to the core shape, full slices of the core will be coin shaped and part slices should have at least part of the edge in a arch. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:39:54 To: Shawn Alanphotoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Except the sylacaga Stone which hit the woman is actually in Alabama. The pieces of sylacaga in collections are from the larger stone found later in a road. So actually none of the private collections contain the woman hitting stone. Otherwise having trouble following your post. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Now thats some proof :) and a hammer stone I think would turn heads from the Sutter's Mill HAMMER STONE FALL. I bet when its said and done, there will be more of stones found on top of builds and roofs within the area the meteorite fell because of it fragmenting in the atmosphere, only time will tell. But for those of you that collect hammer stones or meteorite from HAMMER STONE FALLS the Sylacauge I would say is the king of all HAMMER STONE FALLS just for the fact two stone came from that fall, making one a hammer stone as apposed to Sutter's Mill HAMMER STONE FALL were there has been over 60 individual stones and fragments found so far and more being documented. So in a since the probability of a hammer stone will be alot higher than from Sylacauge HAMMER STONE FALL. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ From: Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! List There is another hammer stone but the owner and her husband have not gone public yet. They will next week when she gets back home. This one embedded itself on her shed and she has the mark to prove it. I will have them contact Michael Gilmer and Peter J. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Why does everyone keep putting hammer-stone in their descriptions? You do not have piece of the hammer-stone, so putting it in the auction title implies that you are selling a piece of the house hitting meteorite when you are not. Please correct the auction to inform the buyers that they are NOT buying a piece of the house hitting Sutter's Mill specimen. Just because a single piece of this meteorite hit a house, does not mean every gram of the meteorite found can be considered a hammer. That is a scam to rip people off. People, this is why you MUST know and trust your seller. Greg Hupe and I have already been contacted by several known scammers trying to buy pieces of our meteorite. We are not responding. We put a premium price on the unquestionably documented meteorite which hit the house, was seen on BBC live and is not disputed by anyone. Don't be fooled by people selling you other material coat-tailing our specimen. We kept record of every speck sold and can trace them back to the buyers. A meteorite of this rarity is likely to attract some unscrupulous sellers, know your source! Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Shawn Alan
[meteorite-list] AD Sutter's Mill
Hey List, I am on my home from the strewnfield. My family and I got skunked in 28 man days (well 7 man days and 21 woman days) of hunting. But we bought a little bit of the Sutter's Mills Fall in the field for our new brick-n-mortar meteorite store we were supposed to be opening May 3rd. So, instead of spending more money in the field, we are going home to make some money by finally getting the store open. I know some will think the prices I have on these are too high, but I have been told that to succeed in retail you have to have a healthy mark up. And, I know a lot of people don't agree with this, but I think there is some strong logic that this stuff is and will really be worth this much or more in the future. You are free to disagree. You are free not to buy. You are free to complain here if you like. In any case, I paid a lot for these (a whole heck of a lot more that those bogus rumors of $400/g field prices) ***PLEASE if anyone can point me to anyone with $400 material, I am a buyer!!!*** So, if anyone wants a piece before it goes in our store showcase, you can see a couple of them here: http://photobucket.com/suttersmillcm3 We hope to get the store officially open on Monday, so if anyone is in the Eureka Springs, AR area any time soon, pop in for some fun. Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter Mill snkes
List, My wife just found a copperhead under her foot. All this talk about rattle snake and this one didn't rattle. Syeve Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter Mill snkes
On closer inspection to the corpse (the snake's not my wife's) and there is one little rattle, no wonder we couldn't hear it, it didn't have anything to rattle against. Steve --Original Message-- From: Michael Farmer To: meteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter Mill snkes Sent: May 9, 2012 3:07 PM Rattler, no copperheads there, many young ones don't rattle. Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2012, at 3:03 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: List, My wife just found a copperhead under her foot. All this talk about rattle snake and this one didn't rattle. Syeve Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill for sale 2.763g
Hey List, I purchased a cute little 2.763 gram individual Sutter's Mill tonight from a local finder. Ironically, there seems to be a strange trend of late, some guys are actually selling Sutter's Mill specimens at retail to the locals!!! Not only that, some are buying specimens from the locals at wholesale and flipping them for retail to the locals! Go figure? Mine is for sale, please contact me off list if interested. Meanwhile tomorrow I will ask around locally if anyone wants to buy it if I don't find a buyer elsewhere in the world. Photos are available on my Facebook page at: www.Facebook.com/meteoriteman Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Arnold's Famous Reverese Auction on Ebay Now
Hello List, Announcing: The return of the Arnold Famous Reverse Auction on Ebay. Currently I have 57 meteorites worth about $25,000 up, and I am going to start lowering the prices very soon. For those of you who don't remember the good ol' days when I would do reverse auction's by email, it is pretty simple. Instead of starting the prices low where they go up, like at a normal auction, I start them high and they go low. The auction ends when someone likes the specimen at a low enough price and they buy it. If no one likes it at the current price, then it is lowered a bit, and this repeats until it is sold. Also, the lot can end when I decide to pull the meteorite from the auction because I think it is getting too cheap. Some of these pieces are great candidates to be cut down into smaller pieces, so there is a double incentive for me to pull a specimen if I think I can cut it up and get more for it in smaller pieces. So, check out the auction. If there is something there you like, but it is too big, send me a note and let me know what size you would want at what price, and that might give me an incentive to pull it early before someone else buys it so I can cut it down. The link to ALL my auctions are here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?item=260962473576viewitem=sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT_trksid=p4340.l2562 The items in the Reverse Auction all have Reverse Auction in their title. Or you can just use this link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_nkw=reverse_sacat=0_odkw=_osacat=0_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313 These are fun, even if you are not bidding, as people want to see how low they can go. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Co-Founder Meteorite Cards, hot new collectible trading cards www.MeteoriteCards.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Arnold's Famous Reverese Auction on Ebay Now
Hello List, Announcing: The return of the Arnold Famous Reverse Auction on Ebay. Currently I have 57 meteorites worth about $25,000 up, and I am going to start lowering the prices very soon. For those of you who don't remember the good ol' days when I would do reverse auction's by email, it is pretty simple. Instead of starting the prices low where they go up, like at a normal auction, I start them high and they go low. The auction ends when someone likes the specimen at a low enough price and they buy it. If no one likes it at the current price, then it is lowered a bit, and this repeats until it is sold. Also, the lot can end when I decide to pull the meteorite from the auction because I think it is getting too cheap. Some of these pieces are great candidates to be cut down into smaller pieces, so there is a double incentive for me to pull a specimen if I think I can cut it up and get more for it in smaller pieces. So, check out the auction. If there is something there you like, but it is too big, send me a note and let me know what size you would want at what price, and that might give me an incentive to pull it early before someone else buys it so I can cut it down. The link to ALL my auctions are here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?item=260962473576viewitem=sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT_trksid=p4340.l2562 The items in the Reverse Auction all have Reverse Auction in their title. Or you can just use this link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_nkw=reverse_sacat=0_odkw=_osacat=0_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313 These are fun, even if you are not bidding, as people want to see how low they can go. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Co-Founder Meteorite Cards, hot new collectible trading cards www.MeteoriteCards.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men meteorh...@aol.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:16:52 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Arnold's Famous Reverese Auction on Ebay Now Hello List, Announcing: The return of the Arnold Famous Reverse Auction on Ebay. Currently I have 57 meteorites worth about $25,000 up, and I am going to start lowering the prices very soon. For those of you who don't remember the good ol' days when I would do reverse auction's by email, it is pretty simple. Instead of starting the prices low where they go up, like at a normal auction, I start them high and they go low. The auction ends when someone likes the specimen at a low enough price and they buy it. If no one likes it at the current price, then it is lowered a bit, and this repeats until it is sold. Also, the lot can end when I decide to pull the meteorite from the auction because I think it is getting too cheap. Some of these pieces are great candidates to be cut down into smaller pieces, so there is a double incentive for me to pull a specimen if I think I can cut it up and get more for it in smaller pieces. So, check out the auction. If there is something there you like, but it is too big, send me a note and let me know what size you would want at what price, and that might give me an incentive to pull it early before someone else buys it so I can cut it down. The link to ALL my auctions are here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?item=260962473576viewitem=sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT_trksid=p4340.l2562 The items in the Reverse Auction all have Reverse Auction in their title. Or you can just use this link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_nkw=reverse_sacat=0_odkw=_osacat=0_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313 These are fun, even if you are not bidding, as people want to see how low they can go. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Co-Founder Meteorite Cards, hot new collectible trading cards www.MeteoriteCards.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TV Stars on Ebay
Hey List, I just put up a could of TV Stars on Ebay, meteorites that were found on one of our Meteorite Men episodes. Check them out here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_adv=1_dmd=1_in_kw=1; _ipg=50_sop=1_rdc=1 Thanks for your consideration, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thin Section Makers
Hello List, I am curious what options there are for making thin sections? I am sure speed and quality and price all play a role. If any of you have information and experience with various makers I would appreciate it. Replies on or off the list would be great. Thanks Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Cards are in, special offer for 24 hours only.
Hey all, Our first batch of Meteorite Cards are in. (Those of you who ordered wholesale quantities, they were shipped to you yesterday.) As a special offer to our friends on the Meteorite List, for the next 24 hours only, we will personally number the cover card of each pack of 10 cards before sealing them, just for Meteorite List members. The price for the special sets will be $10 (which includes shipping). First come, first served starting with set #1 and the sets will be limited to the number of orders received in the next 24 hours. Non-numbered sets are $5 (plus actual shipping [$2 for 1 set]) and wholesale prices are available for purchases of 100 sets or more. You can see more about these at www.MeteoriteCards.com Photos of numbered sets here: http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/Meteorite%20Cards/ Contact me off list for ordering. Thanks. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Co-founder Meteorite Cards __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: For Dealers, Meteorite Cards wholesale and sponsorship offer
Attention Meteorite Dealers, I am happy to announce that our first series of 10 Meteorite Cards, the hot new collectible meteorite trading cards, have gone to the printer today and we are expecting to fill and ship the wholesale orders out the first of next week. Those of you who placed wholesale orders are going to be pleased! Individual packs will be available at retail from our network of resale dealers, or directly from us later next week. www.MeteoriteCards.com So now we are opening up reservations for Dealer Sponsorships for cards #11 through #20 which will be included in our Second Series, which we plan to deliver to our printer the first of next week. If there are any dealers that would like to sponsor a specific meteorite card in our next series, you can choose the meteorite you want to sponsor (as long as no one else has already selected it) now. You can even choose to feature your own specimen photos on the card (great provenance builder). The cost of sponsorship is only $100 for the entire 2011 season. Meaning we will print as many cards as the market demands this year, and each card you sponsor will have your website's name on it. As a bonus, our website's page with your sponsored card on it, will feature only one ad, and that will be your website's ad. So when people come to the site (via Google or elsewhere) if they visit your sponsored meteorite card's page, then they will be exposed to your ad there as well, even if they never see one of the paper cards. As an additional, limited time offer, sponsors of any of the next 10 cards, in this next series, will get as a free bonus, 20 Second Series packs of 10 cards (retail value of $99.90). So, buy a $100 ad, and get 100 bucks worth of cards (at retail) free. OR Buy 100 bucks worth of cards and get a free $100 ad! (Either way you want to look at it, it is a great deal!) In any case, the extra exposure of your favorite meteorite (especially if you stock that specimen for sale) could grow to be exponential. The sponsorships will sell on a first come first served basis, so we invite you to our site to check out the look of the cards and see if you want to promote your inventory through our medium, and join us in the 2nd series. Be sure to reserve your card's sponsorship before someone else does. ALSO, open to anyone: wholesale orders of Series 1 cards can be made NOW from the site as well. Especially if you have any outreach to the public, via rock shows, or public speaking, or any person to person contact, these Meteorite Card Packs can be a great money making product. Wholesale cost $2.50 per pack (in volume) and Suggested retail of $4.99 (however, if the desire of these cards takes off, you are not limited to sell them for only $4.99!) Or you can break open the packs and each card is very affordable for giving away for promotional purposes. In either case, dealers are encouraged to visit our site. www.MeteoriteCards.com Next week we will announce the retail sales of the individual packs of Meteorite Cards to the public, so stay tuned. Thanks, Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Co-Founder of www.MeteoriteCards.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Zagami SNC 1mm
Hello List, I have a 1mm thin 2.53 gram crusted part slice of Zagami that just came in. At 24mm x 25mm this has maximum surface area for the weight. Zagami is a Shergottite SNC Martian Meteorite that was witnessed to fall in 1962. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.267418416608152.83846.116030671746928 I am asking, $1,999 for this. But I will entertain any serious offers. I will also entertain trade or trade+cash offers. If I don't get any offers worth taking, I will be willing to break this down into smaller pieces, just let me know if you want to be in the list for smaller pieces. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Mayo Belwa on Ebay
Hey List, I just put up 30 Mayo Belwa's on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260802281327#ht_4940wt_907. These are a bit smaller than what was at Heritage, but they are priced to move. These come from the Jim Schwade collection. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed
Hey Dave and All, Great story, and thanks for sharing. I have to chime in here in saluting Blaine as well. If it were not for Blaine I would not be here today. For my first six years in the meteorite business, I had only one customer...Blaine Reed. In a world where everyone tries to buy low and sell high Blaine always asked not How little do I have to pay Steve to get this next meteorite? But rather he would see how much he could pay me each and every time. Blaine bought 100% of all the rocks I pulled out of the field my first 6 years. Sometimes checks would show up in the mail unexpected from Blaine. I would call to ask why? He would reply with something like: The Richfield I bought from you a year ago turned out to be an LL3 instead of an L4 so this is extra money to make it fair. Those kind of checks happened a LOT more times than just once. I just want everyone to know, not just on the selling side of things (as in Dave's case) is Blaine more than fair, but he is that way on his buying side of things as well. The Meteorite world is a far better place because of Blaine. If you are buying or selling, you owe it to yourself to check out the offer Blaine is able to make you. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:03:38 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: d...@fallingrocks.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed Hi List, Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who most of you surely know by now. Follow this link, click Featured, then click Deport and read the brief Remarks: http://www.fallingrocks.com/collection.htm Such a pleasure to do business with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to. Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently made my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated! All the best, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Concerns for the Meteorite Dealers, Collectors and the Scientific Community
Dear List, Over the last 20 months, I have incurred six figures in legal fees, much of which I still need to pay, and God only knows how many hours to defend myself in a court of law on these charges brought in a law suit by my former partner Phil Mani. I chose not to settle out of court but rather spend the extra money to go on to trial so I could clear my name about the lies that were told about me. Now, Mr. Sliz, who is close friend of the plaintiff in my case, is posting things totally out of context, some of which was not presented by the plaintiffs in the trail. Now Mr. Sliz, after a jury vindicated me, seems to want to try me all over again here on the list, using materials from the discovery portion of the case without affording me the opportunity as I had in the trial to object or respond to them. As for the King Estate ordeal, which the trial court did not permit to come into evidence, Sharon King received 100% of her money from the sale of all the meteorites from her late husband's collection. In fact, those of you on this list that bought meteorites from the King Estate that I brokered, you will remember that you made your checks out directly to Sharon King, and then she paid me my commissions once she deposited your monies. What happened, was that when I was done selling off the collection, Mrs. King wanted to partner with me in investing in some OTHER meteorites, and so we agreed to buy a couple of meteorites, the most significant was the Monument Draw, Texas Acapulcoite directly from the finder. We had an agreement that as things were sold, she would be paid back the money she invested. Things didn't sell all that quickly, as much of the Monument Draw was traded to institutions in a longer drawn out process than a quick cash sale would have been. Then Mrs. King passed away, and her estranged step-children inherited her estate and as I understood, they required the full payback from me immediately. I wasn't able to do it immediately because the investment was all in meteorites at the time. They were required to file suit against me, we promptly reached a settlement which satisfied the probate court, and everyone was happy. It really wasn't a big deal. I think the settlement took all of about 20 minutes to reach. This settlement has been paid in full for quite some time now. Since I don't recall ever seeing Mr. Sliz at the trial, I assume he has gotten much of what he is saying second hand, as the trial records have not been made public yet. Of course Mr. Sliz is a very close friend of Mani, and as such has only heard Mani's perspective for several years, so I am sure he was shocked to find out that all the claims made by others, the jury found them not be truthful. No doubt he is bothered that his friend's reputation has now taken such a hard hit and he feels he has to come on here and try to defend him against the jury's verdict. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ken Sliz k...@newagefoods.us Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:13:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Concerns for the Meteorite Dealers, Collectors and the Scientific Community Greetings to all in the Meteorite Community. I would like to submit the following historical data along with my observations and opinions regarding Mr. Steve Arnold and the most recent revelations made during the civil trial in San Antonio, March 2011. Why, you should ask do I enter this turbulent arena? What are my qualifications for such involvement? The short answer is twofold: 1. I was involved with the Brenham Meteorite Company before it was legally formed. Phil Mani offered me a partnership/investor position while he and Steve Arnold were discussing the possibility of reworking the Brenham strewn field. I have watched the project/partnership from a bird's eye view, observing good and bad proceed from it. 2. Unknown to many folks, I am very involved with meteorites as demonstrated in the financial investment made in my collection. All specimens are complete slices, complete meteorites or end cuts. The few experts that have viewed the collection have described it as one of the finest aesthetic collections around. I can emphatically say that I am a stakeholder/shareholder in the meteorite world. Recent Events: In my opinion, the most important facts to emerge from the recent legal proceedings between Arnold and Mani can be found in the documents entered into the court record. Anyone can access the complete documents at the Bexar County Courthouse, as they are in the public record. I will refer to each document by exhibit number. One of the most revealing documents concerning Arnolds M.O. is exhibit #419. It is an email from Arnold to Notkin on 2-19-2006. Please note that at the time of
[meteorite-list] OK dinner
Anyone want to meet up for dinner after sunset? Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
FYI: The plaintiff's legal bills were over $220,000 and my legal bills were over $250,000. Add the court costs and time invested without any compensation to neither the plaintiff nor the defendant, this court case cost over $500,000. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:06:38 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: meteorh...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay
Hey List, I'm looking to sell a few items and thought I would offer a limited number of items up on Ebay via my Steve Arnold famous reverse auction format. I have some items that I have listed on Ebay at a fixed price, And starting tonight, I will be periodically dropping the prices by varying degrees over the next few days at random times and possibly at random amounts. At any given time (probably when I sell enough, or when the prices on the unsold items gets too obscenely low, I reserve the right to end the reverse auction and let the prices revert to their starting prices. Check out the items I have for sale including those on sale now here: http://shop.ebay.com/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thanks, Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay
Sorry Guys, I'm not sure what the problem is, It took me an hour with Ebay on the line to figure out how to get the discount to kick in, and finally it worked, and now no one can see them. Here are the listings with direct links so at least you can see them one at a time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320664698933ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2718wt_450 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320664694997ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_1820wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260745612028ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2133wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260745580126ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2018wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260745588442ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2018wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260745589617ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2018wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320664681803ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2018wt_907 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320664682953ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_2018wt_907 And while this huge Brenham slice is not on sale yet, it might be soon: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320668165273ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_1624wt_907 Enjoy, Steve Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:24:47 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; meteorh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay Wow that name has some cache! 0 items! Must have all sold out already... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/7/11, meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com wrote: From: meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction on now on Ebay To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 9:02 PM Hey List, I'm looking to sell a few items and thought I would offer a limited number of items up on Ebay via my Steve Arnold famous reverse auction format. I have some items that I have listed on Ebay at a fixed price, And starting tonight, I will be periodically dropping the prices by varying degrees over the next few days at random times and possibly at random amounts. At any given time (probably when I sell enough, or when the prices on the unsold items gets too obscenely low, I reserve the right to end the reverse auction and let the prices revert to their starting prices. Check out the items I have for sale including those on sale now here: http://shop.ebay.com/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Thanks, Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted CI
Hey List, I am curious, who out there might have some Orgueil or Ivuna for sale? Please respond to me directly off list. Thanks, Steve Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Killer stuff on Ebay now
Hey List, I have some killer stuff on Ebay right now: A 2,400 gram 19 inch wide slice of Muonionalusta in a super heavy duty frame encased in oil. I also played around with 3 different lights to get some whacky cool images with the various light reflecting off the Widmanstatten structure. This alone is worth a minute to look at. In addition to the slice being preserved in oil, the frame also allows the slice to have that neat wet look. 183 gram Vaca Muerta full slice from the mass found on the Meteorite Men Chile episode. Also a couple part slices remaining from the small end piece I chopped up. 14.6 kg Muonionalusta whole specimen. Nice. 33.8 gram Ash Creek full slice. An assortment of Meteorite Magnets, small specimen cases, with specimens in them, attached to refrigerator magnets. Great price, neat novelty to have part of your collection on your refrigerator or any other metal surface you would choose. These also make great gifts. The new ones up just now are all numbered and personally signed by me. An assortment of other items are up for your pleasure. On some of the big ticket items, I will entertain best offers on. For list members only, over this weekend only, any order over with a total of $50 or more and I will toss in a free Meteorite Hunters and Collectors Magazine, autographed by me for no extra charge. Just let me know you want the magazine tossed in. Check it all out here: http://shop.ebay.com/stevearnoldmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Also, not on Ebay yet, I have some full slices, up to 21 inches across, of an oriented Brenham pallasite. These are the most amazing slices I have ever seen. I also have a new case where the slices can be placed between two sheets of Lexan and suspended in oil. Tim Heitz bought one of these from me and he devised an awesome LED backlighting system for his frame, where the frame can be hung on a wall and the whole apparatus lights up like a cosmic stain glassed window. Maybe Tim can offer some photos if anyone is interested? The Brenham slices can be sold with or without the frames, just ask for details. Lots of options. Enjoy. Thanks. Steve Arnold __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in Dealing withLando wners
Hello List, Wow, what an outpouring of comments today. Let me bring all of you up to speed on this. Five years ago, I partnered with around 10 or so friends and they combined some money, and I offered up some time and we started hunting for meteorites together. We choose to go to a certain location in Kansas where pallasites had been found in the past. We chose this location after I had my success locating some pallasite meteorites at the Brenham strewnfield. We got land leases to hunt, without any promise of any big money, no talk of Millions, or thousands or even hundreds of dollars to anyone. We just started hunting and we started finding meteorites. Some of my friends, at least 8 of us in the group, were very connected meteorite dealers and we decided to try to sell some of our finds, we tried and we tried and we tried, and we sold one meteorite. We contacted virtually all the institutions with notable meteorite collections and none of them wanted to either buy or to trade for any of our specimens. The one sale was made, and the land owner from where this meteorite came from got his contracted percentage royalty, and he was VERY pleased. It was truly money from heaven for him. The meteorites from this particular location have the reputation of being the worst rusting meteorites known to man. Far worse than Campo, Nantan, Brenham or any other ruster one can think of. So we could understand why no one wanted to buy any more of this meteorite. It was just too big of a risk for people to take. As we kept finding more and more meteorites, we were challenged with the supply and demand issue. Much supply, virtually no demand. Not a good outlook. Then one of the dealers in the group reminded us of the high quality gemstones that had been faceted from the peridot in this meteorite. So we took the specimen in the worst condition out of our inventory and practiced trying to free up some of the olivine that was in it, and sure enough, there were some amazing gemstones produced. A year and a half ago, we went to all the land owners where we had found meteorites and told them that if we would liquidate all the meteorites we found, we probably would only get $0.10 or $0.15 per gram. But we felt that as gemstones, we could make more money for everyone. We decided to incorporate our partnership as Palladot Inc, a Kansas corporation, that focused on selling meteorites, mostly in gemstone format. I am the President, and Jason Phillips is our C.E.O.. We hired Charles Ellias, who is a graduate gemologist with 25 years of experience in the color gemstone market, to manage our operations, including overseeing the faceting, grading and pricing and marketing of the gemstones. Our original contract only promised the landowners that they would earn their royalty on the wholesale sale of the meteorites. We told all the land owners we wanted to pursue the gemstone market as there was very little demand in the meteorite world for the specimens as meteorites. It was one of the landowners that actually suggested pooling all of the royalties together, so we wouldn't have to melt down every meteorite, and this way all the landowners could still share proportionately by their contribution in the profits. It was at that point, that in the spirit of full discloser, we explained how the gemstone market gave us the best up-side potential for earnings. If a market could be built for these most amazing and rare gemstones with a fascinating story, then we would have the supply to fill the demand created. And yes, IF there would be millions of dollars of demand created, we would have millions of dollars of gems. All of the land owners, except for one, agreed to pool their royalty interest together and join us in the gem market. The one landowner that didn't want to go to the gem business with us, was happy to take his portion in kind and we gave him his meteorites. All the others signed a new agreement that pooled their royalties together. One year ago this month, we started selling Palldot Pallasitic Peridot gemstones at the Tucson show (specificially at the Pueblo Show at the Executive Inn.) It seems we chose the worst year, economically speaking, since the Great Depression to start a business...not to mention, a business in the luxury jewelry market. But we still made some sales, and our business is growing. Now, back a year and a half ago, the deal we made was that we would share the royalty to the landowners based on the retail profits rather than on the wholesale sales. The landowner who was featured in this local TV story we are all talking about, actually had his attorney look over the new pooling agreement. In fact, his attorney made some suggestions to alter it, and we agreed to his suggested changes. There NEVER was any promise of getting rich quick. Never. Getting rich over time...maybe, if we played our cards
Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!
Mark, Thanks for the shout out. And a big thanks to Ruben for the time and effort he brought to bring our little shin dig to all those that couldn't make it out this year. We are so blessed to be a part of this great community. A huge congrats goes out to this year's Harvey Award winners. You are always the stars of the show. And now I can't wait for the auction tomorrow night. See you all tomorrow night. Steve Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:52:57 To: Ruben Garciamrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live! Kudos to Ruben, that was a blast! Thanks for all the hard work to him and the others who set up and managed the live streaming chat! It added a whole new dimension to the party! It was a packed house too! I'm now looking forward to the auction Saturday night and John Blennert's talk on Gold Basin (and for the quiet room so I can chat with everyone more comfortably...). And last but not least, happy birthday to the stars of Meteorite Men! Thanks for hosting the excellent party and awards!! Mark B. (with ringing ears) resting in Vail, AZ From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 4:56:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live! Hi all, We are here early making sure everything is working for tonights Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. Come join us as we will be live until the end. We're here for the duration! Come in watch and chat! http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt
Hello Abe, It is a story like yours that makes all the crap Geoff and I go through worth the while. Of course we love what we do, and it is an honor to share some of our experiences with those who care enough to invest an hour of their lives with us each Tuesday night. But if anyone checks the archives here they can see posts from a few people who love to spew negative comments about how bad Meteorite Men is for the field of hunting and collecting meteorites. As if Geoff and I give a crap what those kind of people think, it still is an amazing pleasure to see someone like you take a little seed of inspiration and see an expedition come together with such amazing results. Like Sonny, I too was inspired by THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag. Bob was (and in my book still is) the greatest ambassador the meteorite world has ever had. In all the years I have known Bob I can't once remember him ever saying a bad word about anyone, and to the contrary he was ALWAYS excited even when one of his, what some If I can grow up to be a fraction of the meteorite man he has been, I will know I have done something right. And in that same spirit of sharing one's great meteorite adventures, like Bob would always do, you have chosen to bring us along with you, instead of keeping it to yourself! If you don't mind Abe, I will pass your story onto our producers? Who knows if we will get a Third season of Meteorite Men, but if we do, maybe there would be a way your story could be shared in a future episode, I think that would be awesome. Congratulations to you and your son. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wahlpe...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:26:59 To: abe.guent...@mnsi.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt Hi Abe, What you achieved many people only dream of. To find a meteorite on your own, with no help, a true cold find is awesome. And even better to have your son along for the exciting find! It's amazing how the Meteorite Men show inspired so many people. I remember how I watched a program about 10 years ago that inspired me. It featured Bob Haag and it was on the Discovery Channel. I imagine the Meteorite Men show will motivate many new hunters to get out in the field and start hunting. Perhaps even find a rare meteorite, an American Lunar? Sonny -Original Message- From: Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net To: wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 1:29 pm Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt Hi Sonny,I will have to tell my son that I talked to you! I'm sure he will beimpressed. He watched Meteorite Men with me and because of that episode thatyou were on, I was able to convince him to come along. He had heard me forover a year talking about wanting to go meteorite hunting but it was onlyafter that episode that he was excited about it. Because of certaincircumstances, he and I have not had the opportunity to take many father andson trips and so it meant a great deal to me when he decided to come. He isa typical cool kid (that age where friends come first) and if you knew him,you would think he's not the type to be interested. I was expecting him tobe kind of a spectator but to my surprise he was really into it.I marked the GPS and hope to get out there again in January if all goeswell. No telling how well I will do but will be sure to report back.Abe Guenther-Original Message-From: wahlpe...@aol.com [mailto:wahlpe...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:45 PMTo: abe.guent...@mnsi.net; meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comsubject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite HuntHi Abe,Great find. You need to go find the rest of them : )Sonny-Original Message-From: Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.netTo: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 10:26 amSubject: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite HuntHere is a short story about a first time meteorite hunting experience.I live in an area of Canada that has not yielded any meteorites to speak ofso I knew I needed to look at hotter, dryer areas for the best chance at asuccessful first trip. I did over a year of research and planning before Ifinally made my decision where to go. I read countless success stories andwatched a lot of meteorite hunting shows and videos on YouTube beforenarrowing my search. Almost overwhelmed at all the places I could try, a fewweeks before the much awaited trip I decided on Nevada. Besides the cheapairfare to Vegas, there were lots of success stories near Vegas. I had a fewplaces mapped out in Nevada, Arizona and California that I wanted to huntover the 9 day trip. After finding nothing in 5 days of my lone journey itwas time to pick up my son who flew in to join me for the
[meteorite-list] AD: Huge Oriented Brenham Slices
Hey List, I have some huge full slices of an oriented Brenham for sale. Marlin Cilz cut this specimen into slices for me and he had to buy a bigger saw because his previous biggest saw wasn't big enough to cut this one. Some Marlin also called me when he got the first slice off, and he said in all the years he has been cutting, this is the best looking Brenhan he has ever seen. Amazing slices. Check these out here: http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/Brenham/ If you have any questions, please contact me off list. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's new video Blog site
Hey List, I am excited to announce that I have started a new video Blog site. I hope to be adding to the site between 5 to 10 times a week. My goal is to keep it fun and light. Topics will be meteoritic and life in general. Who knows, I might even toss in a post on dowsing! You never know. Short video blogs, most under 5 minutes will be the norm, with other odds and ends tossed in to keep it interesting. Nice people are invited to check it out at:www.ArnoldMeteorites.com Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: quackery
Depending on what does or does not hit the cutting room floor, we might get to revisit this topic after one of the upcoming Meteorite Men episodes. Fun topic. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:22 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: quackery Gotta back Chris on his statement: Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the same category. I would add angels, ghosts, alien abductions, 2012 catastrophism and telekenesis to the list. And now, time for a visit to the homeopathic ER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 ;-) --R __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC
All, Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in time to get home to watch some TV. Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC. For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called nomads, i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French fossil hunters, Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut, started to educate their local team not only to look for fossils, but also for meteorites - with great success. link http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm NWA, to be or not to be? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
List, If declared by the judge as so, would this mean meteorites found on top of the ground, and not imbeded into the ground on federal lands would now not belong to landowner (U.S. Govt)? I wonder what the Smithsonian's stance is on this issue will be when their representatives are called if the case goes to court? Very interesting. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:43:17 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court List: I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or building... H We'll see... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court By RYAN ABBOTT FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti. Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court. The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity. The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term. The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out. The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody was hurt. The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint. The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders. The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino with Arent Fox. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WisconsinSchool project - Suggestion
Anne and all, There are also locals who have and who will find meteorites that might be very happy to give (or permanently loan) a meteorite that would stay local, instead of just keeping it in their sock drawer or safety deposit box. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:29:58 To: impact...@aol.com; mlbl...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WisconsinSchool project - Suggestion Hi Anne, I completely agree. It is actually foolish to use donated funds -- at this time -- to purchase stones from the latest Wisconsin fall. Very little bang for the buck. For the same money, you could buy an NWA chondrite over 100 times larger that is nearly as fresh-looking. I think a far better use for the limited funds would be a modest variety of medium-sized, relatively inexpensive meteorites. For the cost of one tiny, unimpressive specimen from the lastest Wisconsin fall, you could instead purchase and donate a large iron, a pallasite or mesosiderite, an ordinary chondrite *AND* an achondrite. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of impact...@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:17 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] WisconsinSchool project - Suggestion Michael, If I may make a suggestion... Lets think about Meteorites in general, rather than just one Wisconsin meteorite. Since you now have about $750.00, buy an assortment of reasonably priced, classified, known meteorites. Maybe a Canyon Diablo, a small Brenham, a couple stonies with different classification. No crumbs, large enough pieces so they can see what a metorite looks like, and how many different types there are. That would lead to a much better understanding of meteorites, than just one small stone. If you decided to do that, I am quite sure you would find more offers and more help. In fact, I would be willing to help you with donations. And if you really insist on getting them a piece of the Wisconsin stone, then I suggest you wait 6 months to a year, when more stones have been found, and the price has gone down. As it always does with new falls, particularly when it is an ordinary chondrite; look at Buzzard Coulee: $40/g during the Tucson Show, $10/g now. What do you think? Anne M. Black __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Saw Blades
Hey List, Several years ago I stocked up on a bunch of saw blades, but now I am running out. I was curious what others might have found out there in terms of quality, performance and price with various manufacturers and or resellers? Responding either on list or off list would be appreciated. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented stone question, was AD: Flight Oriented WI Meteorite
Hello Frank, Good question. I think almost all crust on small pieces would be secodary unless part of a small rock is from the outside of the larger main meteoroid body when it comes in. If there is even a bit of a nose cone shape to a fragmented part, I would guess it might be easy for a rock to settle into a non-tumbling remaining flight. But without the flow lines, it might be hard to know for sure. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:14:09 To: e...@meteoritesusa.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented stone question, was AD: Flight Oriented WI Meteorite Hello Eric and all, Very nice stone, but it brings up a question I've had for several years about oriented stones that have clearly broken in flight and have secondary crust on the rear side surrounded by a nice rollover lip. Unless there are good flow lines showing that this was the stabilized position in flight, I wonder if we're really seeing oriented stones. Perhaps the edge of the original and thicker broken fusion crust has just remelted making it appear that the stone was oriented in flight because of an apparent rollover lip around the broken edge of a stone. It would have nothing to do with the stone's orientation during flight. Maybe Michael Blood addresses this question in his new book? Cheers, Frank From: e...@meteoritesusa.com e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 9:09:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Flight Oriented WI Meteorite I'm taking offers on this gorgeous 18.3g Flight Oriented Wisconsin meteorite. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wi-meteorite.html I may have only ONE other stone and some fragments available, so call 760-522-2152 or email me for details. The rest I'm keeping for my collection... Stones are NOT easy to come by, and forget about the rumors you guys are hearing. There has NOT been 10 kilos recovered from this meteorite fall! We're here and know exactly how and why those rumors were started. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Martin, Your last post has convinced me to nominate you for a Harvey Award this next year. Are you coming to Tucson by any chance in 2011? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:29:01 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices Good morning Jason, I don't know. Ward's collection ended in Chicago and New York. The DuPont collection in Chicago too. Nininger's collection in London and Flagstaff. Zeitschel's collection in Tokyo and many examples more. So we can't be sure, that once the Hupé- , the Farmer-, the Utas-collection will have a similar fate :-) They sit at home until a new fall happens within driving distance, and then rush to the scene -- not in the hopes of finding a collection piece, but with the hope of finding a stone to sell. Really? I think that is somewhat exaggerated. Only cause Joe sliced his stone. Look we saw just with the WI-fall so many happy finders. I don't think, that Jim Baxter (and his third stone, the oriented one, is in my opinion prettier than Joe's find) will ever slice one of his finds. Neither I believe that Terry ever will sell a stone (note that he even donated some), nor Ward, nor most of the other finders. I think that is a similar pseudo problem, like the overestimated number of meteorite hunters. Observed falls happen simply too rarely that many collectors would travel to the places of action, and most falls yield to few stones, that they would find one to dice. And with mass finds, it is less tragic if some stones are cut. (And btw. the more hunters, the more finds, the higher the tkw, the cheaper the fall, the easier to save a stone from being cut.. isn't it?) It's a new generation of quasi-dealers who *don't* traverse the world for new falls. I don't understand, if not, then they don't have any stones for dicing? Most private collectors keep horrible records Really? Or guesswork? I've rather an opposite impression. Also regarding the curation it seems to me that all in all private collectors take somewhat more care. No wonder, as they paid their hard-earned money for their pieces, so that most of them are highly alerted, if the first small spot of rust appears on a surface of a stone. In many universities there are kept some interesting historic specimens, but unfortunately meteorites are such an exotic niche of mineralogy and geology, that in such places they rot forgotten in some drawers, after the scientist, who once acquired them had left the stage. And unfortunately due to the cutback of funds, several of the very well-known museums can't care for their meteorites as it would be good or minimal standard. So let's be more constructive. Jason, what do you suggest, how entire and remarkable specimens could be better preserved uncut? Let's check the initial position: Today institutes often have somewhat limited means. Anyway for research, due to the better techniques, they need only small amounts of material. For thin sections and the analyses in general only a very few grams, to do their work completely. Therefore they tend to acquire only minor amounts. Understandable, because instead to buy one large lump, they can work on dozens of different meteorites for the same money. And today the museums, which hoarded meteorites for the posterity, aren't able to buy meteorites anymore, often even not tiny slices. (Uuh, I remember that once it was for me much more easier to repatriate a quite rare and historic US-iron-fullslice to the tiny local museum in the village, where it was found nearby, than to sell to or to swap it with one of the large institutional US-collections, which hadn't that iron yet.) Additionally the market for specialized private collectors isn't capable enough, to take over most of the entire specimens. Plus - the efforts to find meteorites outside of Antarctica of the public sector are extremely marginal. So marginal, that by far most meteoritic finds of our times are produced by private hunters, collectors, dealers. A researcher is paid by the state, for doing his research on meteorites and sometimes also for hunting them. A private person isn't paid by the public, so he's forced to make money with a part of his finds, to be able to continue to produce all these new meteorites. So what do you suggest? I think, perhaps a simple solution would be, that the meteorite budgets of the institutes and museums should be partially restored again. Talking of meteorites doesn't mean to talk of catastrophic sums. I recently read some prices from the Fine Arts Fair in Maastricht, Where also museums are buying and collecting art is also a public task. I found there, that a single Gauguin, and he painted quite a lot of pictures, would buy all lunaites of the private sector, hence 90% of the Non-Apollo lunar material in existence. Huh and an
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Hello List, I am going to step in here and take issue with this concept that it is unethical or some how morally wrong to cut a meteorite. The scientific value in a meteorite is in the information it contains. To obtain most of this information, a rock has to be cut, sometimes to the extreme of having thin sections made. For centuries, scientists and institutions have been breaking and cutting meteorites to both study AND to exchange. Trading a piece of this for a piece of that, or a slice of that for a slice of this has worked great since the start of collecting these great specimens. It didn't take a rocket scientist 200 years ago to learn that it is much more cost efficient to make an exchange and then ship a portion of a specimen around the world to be researched, than it is to ship a researcher around the globe to study the specimen located at one collection. Not only that, I think there is a valid argument to be made that it is scientifically responsible to part out specimens as far and wide as possible. The more pieces that get to different collections, the better, I would think. And while I'm at it, I want to stand up for the private collectors as well. As a whole, I would say private collectors actually do a better job of curating and preserving their collections than, as a whole, all the different institutions. Of course there are bad private collectors and there are great institutional collectors. But it is funny how when someone spends some of their own hard earned cash, how they appreciate what they have acquired. It is sad in some (not in all, but in some) cases when a hired employee (often a government employee) will not respect what is entrusted to him or her because it is just part of the job. Or in some cases an institution will have a great curator who will acquire and go to great extremes to preserve a collection, only for that person to retire, or move to a new employer leaving a great collection behind to be curated by someone else who cares far less for it. I have the utmost respect for most all of the private collectors I have met. I feel when meteorites are spread out amongst dozens if not hundreds of BOTH private collections and institutional collections, it is a great thing. Yes, of course as an entrepreneur trying to make a buck, it would be wonderful if there were far more collectors that had the desire and the funds to pay a premium for whole stones as they were found. My job would be far easier to only have to make one sale as opposed to many. And on a final note, if something is widely distributed, there is far less of a chance that something bad would happen to all of the material, such as fire, flood, war, theft, earthquake, tornado, mud slide, volcanic eruption, dictatorship, terrorist attack, etc. or even the death of a single individual that might privately hold all of something. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, I just think there is more than one way to look at this. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:43:07 To: METEORITE LISTmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices Why all the over-passionate debate about a man in a free country that found a stone and cut it up to sell it? What business is it of ours how he plays with his rock? If someone thought it was so beautiful, they could have offered to buy it and thus preserve it's beauty. It's actually easy to agree with and see all points of view here. Both sides make valid points and both sides are right. It boils down to the owner of the stone doing as they see fit. If you don't like the idea of it being cut, buy it before it gets cut. Warren sansoucie Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:12:11 -0700 From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices I wouldn't expect anything less from a dealer, with few exceptions. The point, Darryl, is that I wouldn't care if it's the largest stone or the smallest one - and I know for a fact that there are larger stones from this fall that have already been found. Just...look at those photos. It's a beautiful stone. --Meteorites are necessarily subdivided to assist researchers in their work; --No true meteorite lover would thwart such research by preventing the subdivision of their specimen; Broken side or not, it's a beautiful stone, and it's a shame to see it cut. Yes, samples of falls are always required for analysis and study, and I'm always willing to give up that share. You imply that we're against it. And there's a hell of a big difference between giving 20 grams (or more) to science and slicing up a stone to sell to collectors. --Joe's stone was already subdivided by atmospheric forces. It was incomplete and I do
[meteorite-list] AD 2: Wisconsin Fireball Individuals on Ebay NOW 1 and 3 day auctions
Hello list, I've just put up two individual Wisconsin stones on eBay. One is a 1 day auction featuring a 12.46g stone. The other is a 3 day auction featuring a 3.64g stone. Both found less than 36 hours after the fall. http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store I've added to the description my opinion on how cost averaging can help protect buyers who may find that prices go down after their initial purchase. Some of you already use this strategy. Those of you who don't mind find the concept thought provoking. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Ruben and list. If someone is promising 50% of the value, then they should honor their word. Not tell the land owners they are only worth $4/g then give them $2/g pretending that is 50% of the real value. If a hunter only wants to max give up $2/g then they should be honest and say up front, before they start hunting: I'm willing to give you $2/g for anything I find, do we have a deal? If someone is claiming they are only worth $4/g, but later the land owner finds out the real value is $20/g then there might be a reason to think someone isn't being honest. My suggestion to those still in the field still is to be 100% honest with the land owners, and I would think you would have nothing to be afraid of. If giving up 50% of say $100/g is too much, then offer them 40% or 20% or 10% or 2%. If $50/g is too high of a field price, then supply and demand between the hunters in the field will ratchet the percentage down to something more fair like 15% or maybe 20% of $100/g. I know that yesterday, there were people knocking on doors in the strewnfield offering the locals $20/g. It would not surprize me if tomorrow there will be people knocking on doors offering $30 then $40 then $50/g. In fact, I left on Sunday for NY and when I got back, the land owner where I found my biggest rock told Geoff and I that there was a group of guys that came to his door and said that I was a con man, that I rip people off, that I'm being sued, that he (the land owner) would never see a penny from me and that his only chance to see any money was if he somehow got the rock back from me ASAP and sold it to one of them for $5,000 cash. So I don't buy into the BS that if the meteorites stay off ebay while the hunters are still in the field, that means the locals won't wise up to the real values anyway in the mean time. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:50:28 To: Mike Millermeteoritefin...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brian Coxsearchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az
[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really don't know the answer to these questions. So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper later...providing the large mass would make it to market. So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone the weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth sooner? Check out my listings here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Eba...
I am not sure I understand why it is a problem that I sell while people are still in the field hunting? I am expecting people to be in the field up there for the next several months, maybe all summer. I can't wait until everyone gets out of the field before I start selling. I had to promise the land owner where I found this that I would pay him 50% of what I sell the rock(s) for to get permission to hunt on his ground in the first place. I didn't want to promise him that, but that is what the guy before me promised, so I had to agree or move on. I have to start selling now so I will know how much I have to pay him for his 50%. I am being inundated with requests for what I want to sell these for and I don't have a clue what they are worth. No one wants to offer me more than about $15 to $20/g for them, and I am not about to sell them that cheap. l also don't want to sell them for $100/g if other people are just going to sell theirs for less, then I get blamed for selling them for too much and ripping off my customers. People want to buy these now and the only fair way to do it is to let Ebay set the price. If the prices go up later or go down later, it isn't because I set the price too high or too low now. I assume you or anyone else in the field are paying the land owners 50% as agreed upon like I did. If these meteorites are indeed worth $10/g or $50/g or $500/g, then per your fair agreement, pay the landowners their promised 50%. What harm is there in that? I had people selling West stones on Ebay last year when I was still collecting in the field. It did raise some questions with the locals, but a simple explanation between Field Prices, Wholesale Prices and Retail Prices was usually sufficient enough for them to realize the situation at hand. If someone is leading the landowners to think that these are worth a small fraction of what they really will prove to be worth, then I am sorry that these lots might cause problems. But then again, the land owners will find out sooner or later anyway. Are you saying it is better to wait until all the specimens are recovered and everyone is out of the field before anyone of the locals find out what these are really worth? Bottom line is that I will probably go back up there to hunt more myself. And honestly, I would feel a lot better knowing what these are really worth when I do. I just assume I will have to pay 50% whether that is 50% of $6/g or 50% of $1,000/g. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 4/23/2010 11:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteoritefin...@gmail.com writes: Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston?
Specimens have been found in two counties, so a county name might not work. Miffin might be cool, but there is no Post Office there. Maybe Mineral Point, WI? Steve Arnold Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:40:21 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Livingston? I see everybody starting to call this fall Livingston... but this is not likely to be accepted as the name since there are already meteorites named Livingston (Montana) and Livingston (Tennessee). Jeff -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
In a message dated 4/13/2010 4:29:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veom...@gmail.com writes: Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of The State. So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not become a meteorite? - YvW *** Veomega, As I understand, the St. Louis meteorite hit a car and stayed in it while it was being driven down a city street. On an aside, I don't think the City of St. Louis asserted any claim that it was their property. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Some Meteorites For Sale on and off of Ebay
Hello List, I have some low cost meteorites available for sale. Before I put them on Ebay, I thought I would offer them here first at a lower price. So I have just added some meteorites in the photo section on my brand new Facebook page: SteveArnoldMeteorites. I have posted some items I will put on Ebay at least 13% higher price to cover Ebays new higher fees if they don't sell at Facebook first. If you like something there, shipping is $2 for the first item, and maybe a little more for additional items depending on packaging and shipping costs. You do not have to be a Facebook member to view the photos. Check out what is for sale at Facebook and OFF of Ebay here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/SteveArnoldMeteorites/116030671746928?v=wall Click on the Photo Tab, then click on the photo to read the description listed below the enlarged photo of each specimen. And while you are at it, check out what I have newly listed ON Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Paypal is preferred, but please confirm with me on availability of specimens before sending funds, and I will send a total including combined shipping costs. Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men effects
Hey list, Interesting topic. I thought I would change the Subject Line though. Let me give you guys a little behind the scenes understanding of what happens in the making of Meteorite Men. There is a production company that owns the show by the name of LMNO Productions. They have been around maybe for 20 years with 150 or so different programs under their belt. Some were long running series, some were just one-offs, but they have a very experienced staff of professionals that know what they are doing. They came up with the idea of the Meteorite Men show after reading a front page story about me in the LA Times back in 2007. They had not seen anything about the earlier programs Geoff and I (nor anyone else) had been on when they called me that first time. They made a short 4 min video and pitched it to a handful of networks, and Science Channel gave them the best offer for a pilot, so they took it. Geoff and I were hired as the Talent and we were in show business! Now here is how it works: there is an Executive Producer assigned by the network to oversee the production of the episodes. Geoff and I have a boss, that is the show's Executive Producer who has a boss that is the owner of the LMNO Production Company. We all, in reality, have one customer, and that is the Science Channel's Executive Producer. If this one man is happy, we get paid. If he is not happy, they keep sending the video back to get it changed to how he likes it. Once it is adjusted to how he likes it, we get paid. In theory, the Executive Producer on the Network side hopefully knows what his network's audience will like, and he directs us all in the right direction. If not, he gets fired. Rest assured, nothing makes it onto your TV sets at home that is not exacly what he wants. Now, we have been told that if we do get a second season, the network will send the episodes from the first season to some very exhaustive market research, where carefully selected participants will sit in dark rooms watching the episodes with a dial in their hands. When they like something on the show, they dial it one way. When they don't like something, they dial it the other way. Sometimes this gets to be subconscious in the minds of the viewing research subjects. But it is very scientific, and it is the one way to actually trump the personal opinion of the networks EP. If every time my face is on screen, most or all the people turn their dials to the right, and every time Geoff is on screen, they turn it to the left...well...then there might jkust be tryouts for a replacement Meteorite Man to take one of our spots. If they don't like my Tshirt, or the way I go Oh, oh, oh... Right before each comercial. But rather they like how I say Geoff, look what I found! then we can rest ashured I will be instructed what to say or not say in the future, or by the magic of post-production I will say the right things before all the future commercial breaks. Each of first 7 episodes were quite different in many ways. It will be interesting what the market testing might end up revealing. If the key demographics don't like the values of the meteorite being revealed during the show, then I'm sure what our one customer wants will end up changing. And in turn, that will change the directives to our production company in how the put future shows together in post production. Starting a letter writing campaign to Science Channel might be tempting, but unless you have a Nielson Box, on your TV, I don't think it will help. Let me point out that about a dozen years or so ago, I did a promotional campaign in the media that generated 240 samples of suspected meteorites being sent to me. Out of that batch, 3 were genuine meteorites. I could have complained about the 79 wrongs for each 'rite, but I didn't. It is a numbers game. Yes it can get frustrating dealing with the wrongs and the people who send them in. May I suggest that if you are such a person who easily gets frustrated, don't solicit that people send you samples to evaluate. I'm sure there are more than enough others to pick up the slack. Who knows what all the good and bad will be from the Meteorite Men series? Let's have this discussion in 40 years, and if 20 of us talk then, we still will probably have 20 different takes on it then. I understand in general, some people are the glass is half empty pessimistic types, and they often really enjoy being negative. While others are the half full optimistic types. And of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, much, if not most of this is out of both Geoff's and my hands, not to mention anyone else reading this. What happens is going to happen anyway. So, my advice would be for people to plan to take advantage of the change(s) as best you can. Last night the US Congress passed some radical changes that will dramatically effect a lot of people's lives in respect to Health Care
[meteorite-list] AD: West, TX on TV Now and on Ebay Now
Hey Guys, I have some West (Ash Creek) on Ebay right now, and on TV right now. If you don't have a nice part slice of West yet, come get one here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Prices will be going up on my Ebay lots by 13% on April 1st due to the higher taxes Ebay is imposing, so get them while they are cheaper. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Way To Go Count!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats Count, what an amazing find! Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Value if used as Tools
All, Beaver, Oklahoma was used as a Jail door stop. ASU has a plant shucking tool of some sort made from Toluca, Mexico if I remember correctly. Leoville, Kansas was used to help weigh down a farm plow. Willamette was used to as a water bowl in rituals. Axtell, Texas was used as a door stop. Many were used as door stops and as weights to hold down chicken shed roofs. Sommervel County, Texas was found in a stone wall, as was Bethune, Colorado as I recall. One was used to melt down to make gun barrells. The list goes on and on. Steve In a message dated 3/2/2010 10:47:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering if a meteorite would be more desirable if it was used as a tool; or if this has even been documented? I know there has knives made from irons, but I'm talking more like an irons being used for some purpose: perhaps a hammer for pounding. I cannot think of any other examples, but there may be more. Thanks, Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hundreds of fish fall out of the sky
All, Residents stunned as hundreds of fish fall out of the sky over remote Australian desert town: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254812/Hundreds-fish-fall -sky-remote-Australian-town-Lajamanu.html Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Season Finale Tonight
Darryl and all, Thanks for being so kind in helping us out at this year's show in compiling footage of what happens at the Tucson show.That thanks goes out to all our other friends who were also willing to jump in front of the camera to help us make our show a lot better. It was exciting to see footage shot less than 3 weeks ago make it into tonight's episode. We got quite a bit of footage in Tucson that includes a lot of our friends. If Meteorite Men gets a second season, more of this captured footage including more of our friends, customers and fellow hunters will be able to be featured. We feel there is so much more of the meteorite hunting and collecting world to show everyone, we just hope the viewers and the suits at the network feel the same way. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:33:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: I just saw this note. Made me smile. ;-) This is seemingly becoming a pattern: I hang around and people take shots. ;-) I just hope the meteorite I purchased looks good---because it's gorgeous!! Have fun! On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Notkin wrote: Yikes! I forgot to mention that our good friend Darryl Pitt is expected to make a cameo appearance in tonight's episode. I haven't seen the final cut so I don't know for sure, but that's the rumor : ) Thanks for being such a good sport when we were filming, Darryl. I know you were busy that day and kindly hung around so we could get the shot. Anyway, I have a party to go to : ) Best to all, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Degrees in Meteoritics
Hello List, I have just had a high school aged viewer of our show Meteorite Men contact me asking for all the Universities that offer some type of Meteoritics degrees, as it seems after watching some of our episodes, this is now the direction this young man wants to pursue as a vocation. I was curious if there is a comprehensive list of the institutions that offer either undergraduate or post graduate courses in what might be grouped as Meteoritics? As Geoff and I begin to do more work speaking to Junior High and High School aged kids, it would seem that this might be a common question for us to be asked, and I would want to be prepared to offer the best answer possible. On a side note, is there much demand for new meteorite scientists out there? If all the slots are filled, or someone isn't likely to be able to get a job once they would get a degree, I might want to caution kids not to get too serious about this field for a career without seriously evaluating the options first. But since I am not one to try to quash anyone's dreams, I would like to be as helpful as possible. And as a reminder, tonight is our Dry Lake Bed hunt episode of Meteorite Men on Science Channel with our amazing guest stars Sonny Clary and his dog Brix. I hope the fun we had on this expedition comes through in the final cut. The only time I ever experienced anything close to what happens tonight was 13 years or so ago when I took several trips to Imilac and I found a lot of small pieces in a small area. It was a blast to shoot this episode and I look forward to being able to share it with the world.I will be putting some of the meteorites I found on the show up on Ebay with buy it now, so if you want one of the finds, check that out a little later today. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dukes of Hazzard
Everyone knows that Bo and Luke Duke got arrested by Sheriff Roscoe P. Coaltrain in Hazzard County, Georgia. But we all know they were just a couple of good ol' boys not a meanin' no harm. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Where do the dollar values comefrom?
Hi MikeG and List, In this episode, Sony's CM1 is one of only two found outside of Antarctica. The other one, as I understand, sold out quickly at several thousand dollars per gram. Sony has placed a value of $1,000 per gram thus the estimation of his 699g rock at $700,000 is probably reasonable for a US find. I was quoted as saying these ordinary chondrite pieces were probably worth $1 per gram but I will probably list them on eBay for $5 per gram (for the 2-10g size pieces) and see how they do. Steve Arnold Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:11:37 To: metorma...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Where do the dollar values come from? Hi Folks, Is it just me, or do the dollar values for some of the meteorites shown on Meteorite Men seem a little inflated? This is not a criticism, but just a straight question. As a collector and part-time dealer, the prices given for some of these specimens seems a bit on the optimistic side. From a dealer's perspective, if the public thinks a meteorite is worth more than it actually is, the dealer charge more for them. From a hunter's perspective, if the public thinks a meteorite is worth more than it actually is, they can have unrealistic expectations for what their rocks are worth. Steve has spoken about this on the List previously, because landowners will have unrealistic expectations of what their specimens are worth - and this gives hunters fits who are trying to buy specimens or cut deals with landowners. So, where exactly are these dollar values coming from? Who is setting them and putting them on the screen during the final edit? Best regards and happy hunting, MikeG On 2/17/10, metorma...@aol.com metorma...@aol.com wrote: Hello Michael; I highlighted your statement from a previous post because i think it says all that can simply be said about their great program.It energizes me to watch Geoff and Steve do the thing that most of the worlds meteorite collectors would like to be doing.But,we are too busy with our work- a- world lives to ever do much of that kind of activity.It sure is pleasant to sit in an easy chair,warm or cool and enjoy seeing it done while educating the world community about the joy of the hunt and even profitable sometimes.There probably will be a lot of new interest in meteorites and collecting them.(Get ready dealers and collectors that sell specimens).Its a coming! Thanks to all for the great posts;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Where do the dollar valuescomefrom?
Jason, I agree getting $700,000 in green bills is a long shot, but if it can be traded for, say 14 items each in the $50,000 range, and those could be converted to green cash, is it wrong to say it is worth that. Need I remind everyone that the finder of the Tagish Lake 800 gram rock (similar in size and composition as Sonny's) got $800,000 in Canadian money for his find. Sonny is in the business, and as such, he really might realize $700k for his CM1 rock over time. Could he take it to a pawn shop in vegas and get $700,000? No, I would think not. But if someone else finds a CM1 here in the US and wants to sell theirs for $72/g ($50,000 / 699g) then cool. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:29:05 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Where do the dollar values comefrom? Hell Mike, Steve, and List, Right, but you're applying the price per gram that would apply to small pieces in retail to a much larger stone. A single gram may be worth a thousand dollars (in this case, it's probably justified, given what comparable material is known to sell for), but the simple fact of the matter is that it would take decades to sell off 700 grams at that price in small pieces. Ask any dealer who's held a stable asking price for material for which they are the only source. As a complete stone, I estimate that the highest offer on it would reach $60-70,000. Don't get me wrong - it could sell for more, but...it's wholesale. Yes, it might be worth more in a sense, but I believe that the general consensus here has always been that these rocks are worth what people were willing to pay for them. I haven't asked Sonny, but based on what I know of the market, I doubt that he's gotten an offer as high as 100k for it. He might well get a better offer, but that would make it one of the more costly meteorites to actually sell - in the past decade. So, no. I think it's safe to say that $700,000 is not close to a reasonable estimate. Even if you assume $1000/g for smaller pieces, you're not taking cutting losses into account, which would take it to at most $500k, or thereabouts, and it would take so long to sell that simply stating a price like that is rather deceptive. There's a reason that the asking price for the 420kg Fukang main mass is in the 2-3 million dollar range (about $5-6/g), as opposed to being $16.8 million. Fukang may be worth $40/g. That doesn't mean that a large piece is worth that much. And the same principle applies across the board - a single acre of land will run you more per acre than will an acre of land in a hundred-acre parcel. And if you buy ten cars from a dealer, they'll probably give you something of a discount, whereas if you buy only one...not so much. I appreciate the optimistic quote from the market's perspective, but...it's just not reasonable to say that the rock is worth that much when it wouldn't fetch that on the market. Jason On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:40 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hi MikeG and List, In this episode, Sony's CM1 is one of only two found outside of Antarctica. The other one, as I understand, sold out quickly at several thousand dollars per gram. Sony has placed a value of $1,000 per gram thus the estimation of his 699g rock at $700,000 is probably reasonable for a US find. I was quoted as saying these ordinary chondrite pieces were probably worth $1 per gram but I will probably list them on eBay for $5 per gram (for the 2-10g size pieces) and see how they do. Steve Arnold Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:11:37 To: metorma...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Where do the dollar values come from? Hi Folks, Is it just me, or do the dollar values for some of the meteorites shown on Meteorite Men seem a little inflated? This is not a criticism, but just a straight question. As a collector and part-time dealer, the prices given for some of these specimens seems a bit on the optimistic side. From a dealer's perspective, if the public thinks a meteorite is worth more than it actually is, the dealer charge more for them. From a hunter's perspective, if the public thinks a meteorite is worth more than it actually is, they can have unrealistic expectations for what their rocks are worth. Steve has spoken about this on the List previously, because landowners will have unrealistic expectations of what their specimens are worth - and this gives hunters fits who are trying to buy specimens or cut deals with landowners. So, where exactly are these dollar values coming from? Who is setting them and putting them on the screen during
[meteorite-list] Find me in Tucson if you want some stuff
Hello List, I wanted to thank everyone that attended the showing of Meteorite Men, the Tucson Ring episode at the Sky Bar with us last night. We had a blast, and we are looking forward to tomorrow night's festivities at the 11th Annual Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. For those of you who didn't order pizza next door to the Sky Bar last night, but who are attending Friday, be sure to do so, it really is the best pizza I have ever had. I wanted to let everyone know that I have a nice, but shrinking, supply of West/Ash Creek stones with me for sale. It looks like our West episode of Meteorite Men will be either #5 or #6 in the rotation, and I fully expect to sell out of the limited stock I have the week that episode airs. I also have some meteorites that I found on TV during the Meteorite Men, Dry Lake Bed episode, that are for sale. Normally, I like to keep the results of our episodes secret until the show airs, but if you are interested in a meteorite from one of our shows (some for under $10) email me and let's catch up with me sometime here at Tucson, if you want to buy a specimen, I will tell you how they were found in the upcoming episode. I will be in and out of the Riverpark Inn (used to be the Pueblo) room 141 where we are selling our Palladot Pallasite Peridot gemstones. If I'm not in the room, I will be running around, so email me (I have my Blackberry to get email on) or call and we will hook up. I also have a wide assortment of small macro and mircos from a few hundred other meteorite locations with me, so hollar. Geoff Notkin has our new Coffeyville, Kansas meteorite slices for sale in his room, if you are looking for that one. I hope to see a lot of you at the IMCA dinner tonight, the party tomorrow night and auction on Saturday night. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lorton, Smithsonian and cool scientists thinking
Hey List, It was my understanding that a local news station was called to the Lorton doctor's office, and then that TV news crew actually drove the meteorite to the Smithsonian for verification. At that time, it became obvious that it was a genuine meteorite and then efforts by the museum personnel were started to acquire this specimen for the museum. In any case, when I arrived at the fall site the next day after the story broke, with a Meteorite Men camera crew on my heels, Smithsonian personnel were there at the fall site, which I thought was great. You can't blame them for wanting to obtain the rock. In fact, there would be something wrong if they didn't want to acquire it. I will say that our Meteorite Men producers made extensive attempts to gain permission from the Smithsonian for me to come to the U.S. National Collection with a camera crew and shoot footage of Earth's newest alien visitor to appear in one of our upcoming February episodes. If the Lorton story would have played out big enough, it could have become its own episode, most likely running at the end of February or in March of this year. We were willing to pay the $1,000 shooting fee that the Smithsonian normally charges, but we were flatly denied ANY access to the Lorton specimen for our TV show. I am not sure of all of the reasons, and who made the actual decision to deny us and our audience the opportunity to see it first hand, but it seems that because the Smithsonian now has their own new cable TV network, and as such it is now their policy to not give any competing TV networks any access to shooting any of their stuff in their collections. We also wanted to film the actual Tucson Ring specimen, that is the centerpiece in the National Collection's public display, for this next Wednesday's episode of Meteorite Men, but we were flatly denied access a few months ago to shoot that as well. The February 3rd episode of Meteorite Men goes into the historical story of the Tucson Ring and of course, as the center piece to our National Collection now on display in Washington D.C., it's final resting place is an important part of the story of the greatest legend in all of meteorites. However, I was told that the powers that be at the Smithsonian did offer to sell us a black and white still photo of the Ring for $400 to use on the show. Nice of them, wasn't it? So, I don't think the problems we had this last week were related to the Lorton fall in particular, but seems to be a bigger bureaucratic problem elsewhere. Apparently, other networks have had severe access challenges lately in wanting to get footage of other national treasures since the Smithsonian cable network was formed. In our case it seems to be a real shame as it would have generated great PR for both our TV show and for the Smithsonian and for meteorites in general. Well, maybe one day, a few years down the road, we can look forward to the Smithsonian Cable TV Network running their own TV show about meteorites in general and maybe the Lorton specifically and we will all get to see it again. It is not my intention to paint the meteorite professionals at the National Collection in a bad light. In fact, I would invite them to respond here to give their side of the story. I have traded with the Smithsonian in the past and I even sold the Smithsonian some West specimens this last year. While the process was complicated and took a very long time, the people I worked with were great, and I consider them friends and colleagues in our celestial quest. I get the feeling that the challenges we face are in other departments other than theirs. I do know there is still some prejudice against the collecting community among some in governmental employed academia. There are those that still think all meteorites should be owned by governments and that there should be no private hunting for, collecting and owning of meteorites. There seems to be a few dinosaurs holding onto the idea that if someone earns a buck, or God forbid -- a living, in the meteorite business, it is a bad thing. (Ironically, I am still looking for the list of scientists and curators that donate 100% of their paychecks each week back to the institutions that employ them, because they really believe it is wrong for anyone to earn any money from working with meteorites.) And what is really ironic, is that people like Dr. Art Ehlmann at T.C.U., who really does all his meteorite work gratis, is on the top of the list of people who do their meteorite work for no pay AND he is also on the top of the list of scientists that support our collecting communities efforts. It is possible that there is an underlying fear that being associated with a TV show that features non-governmental collecting of meteorites could somehow cast them in a negative light, especially among a
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
Hey List, It is with great pleasure that I invite all of you to sit down tonight and to take a journey to Canada with Geoff Notkin and myself on Science Channel (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of our first season of Meteorite Men the Series. I haven't seen the episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the production office have, and it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't tell anyone I said this, but) we do find some meteorites in this episode. Geoff and I are keenly aware that this TV series might be the best opportunity for the meteorite collecting community to put our best foot forward and show the world a glimpse into what makes our passion of collecting so exciting. Of course we have to mix the geeky science with a little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for the end of the show, and won't come back next week. I want to give a HUGE amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team. We have had over 95 people working on this show on the production side, not to mention the hundreds of people working over on the Science Channel and Discovery Network to make this happen. Millions of dollars have been invested to bring this episode to air, and it is very humbling realizing that while Geoff and I have our faces on screen, NONE of this would be possible without the team behind the scenes. And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that have supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living in this crazy business. If it weren't for the scientists who study these rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here and a slice there from me, tonight would never have become a reality. I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career. In a business of buy low and sell high, somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of How much can I afford to pay Steve for what he brings me? as opposed to How cheap can I get these rocks from Steve? Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would have been out of this business before I even got into it. I owe you a big Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out. In fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you offer me one, ok? Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag, who blazed a trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of now. Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to name a few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now. I have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a guy could ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my time with this calling. A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling supported the Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the series to fall that led to all of this. There is a huge amount of credit and thanks that needs to be extended to the 8n8 crew that inadvertently journeyed with me to the Alpha site several years back which ended up being in our pilot episode. All of you guys are getting your financial return on the project, but also know from me that you guys also deserve a monster sized Thank You. You are appreciated more than you will ever know. And personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my hunting partner Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true gentlemanly qualities, none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have happened. For some reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone take a second look. And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not enough either. Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else in the meteorite world could have been able to do. Of course there are others that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and still be able to articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and why the viewers at home should be too. You might notice in the written descriptions about the show where sometimes it might say Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin... and other times it will say Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold... I suppose the powers that be want to give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to time. And while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do like it when Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this show far easier than he ever could. In fact, I am certain without Geoff, none of this would be remotely possible. Geoff, thank you. I am so proud to count you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner second. Cheers ol' chap! The more
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.
Hey list, Just a little note...for the record...for those that are not aware, there are two Steve Arnold individuals in the meteorite world. One is: 1. Steve Arnold, who lives in Arkansas, who also is the co-host (along with Geoff Notkin) of Science Channel's TV series Meteorite Men who has been full time in the meteorite business for over 17 years... ...and the other is: 2. Steve Arnold from Elgin (Chicago) Illinois, who is a collector and who is...who is... well...at the very least, he is the one referred to in this Meteorite List thread. Please don't confuse these two Steve Arnold's with each other! Thanks. On a personal note, I have been a bit too busy the last few months to respond here as much as I would like. All too often I would read an email thread a week after the first post was made and the issues would seem to be resolved by the time I would get around to reading the thread. Just a note to those of you who are curious, Geoff and I just returned this weekend from a trip to Nevada spending time with a crew of 20 professional TV crew members shooting a TV promotion commercial of our new series Meteorite Men. This last week, when we arrived on to the location of the shoot, it looked more like we were coming onto the set of LOST or CSI as opposed to the normal Meteorite Men production set. Normally we have a much smaller crew chasing us as we have been trying to shoot this first season of episodes the last few months, but this last week was different. The production team hired to make the commercial spot is scheduled to have a various assortment of finished 30 second commercial spots delivered, to the Science Channel network, to start running by December 30. We have been told that the spot will run on ALL of Discovery's channels, and not just on Science Channel. So, for those of you that don't have the Science Channel, keep your eye's open for it on Discovery, TLC, Military, and the other U.S. Discovery channels. Also, just as a heads up, if the promotion staff of Discovery (Science Channel's parent company) chooses to go a bit over the top with the promotion commercials, and they choose to use a bit of artistic license with the topics that they choose to produce, we hope the purists in our midst will understand. ;-) If the commercials just run 10 times a day on each of the 10 US Discovery Channels then that would be 100 showings each day of the commercials promoting meteorites over EACH of the next 60 days. I am not good at math, but we can expect, just from the commercials, for millions of people to be exposed to field of meteoritics for the first time, from these commercials. For those of you that have been considering upgrading to get Science Channel on your DIRECTV connection, so that you can see all of the episodes of Meteorite Men come January 20th, I invite you to email me OFF LIST to get a special DIRECTV deal. For everyone that already subscribes to Science Channel, I invite you to mark you calendars (or program your DVRs) for January 20, and for each Wednesday afterwards for the next 6 weeks, at 9 pm (Eastern) for a new episode of Meteorite Men. (And if anyone on this list is a Neilson Box viewer, please contact me off list for a very special offer. ;-) I think Geoff Notkin mentioned here on the Meteorite List about the upcoming 2010 Meteorite Mayhem Birthday Bash in a previous posting, but I should add that this year's Notkin/Arnold event promises to be VERY worthwhile to attend. So much so, I encourage everyone planning to come to the Tucson Show, to arrive early enough to make it in time to attend the big party on the evening of February 5, 2010. While Michael Blood's Auction is great to attend on Saturday, the fun actually starts about 24 hours earlier at the Birthday Bash on Friday Night. For those of you who have not attended one of the Birthday Bash events in the past decade, the gathering is only about 2% about it being a couple of guys birthday, and it is closer to around 98% an event about an opportunity to mingle and hook up with all of the fellow global meteorite enthusiasts (dealers, collectors, scientists, etc) that does not occur anywhere else during the year, this side of the Asteroid Belt. Over the dozen or so years that I have attended the Tucson Show, with the exception of Adan Hupe's comments here on the list about a bad hotel experience, I don't think I have heard ANYONE else ever regretting taking a trip to Tucson. I know for some people, in this economic climate, it might be a stretch to justify going to Tucson...however, I can almost assure everyone, that if you chose to go, it will be one of the best choices you will ever make. I hope everyone on the list that will want to go, can make it. And I look forward to meeting up with all of you again at Tucson '10. Until then, I wish all of you
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website
Mike, Congratulations on the great site. A class act. I will contact you off list (as requested in your post) to see how much you want for your West stones pictured on your West Expedition page. ;-) Best of luck in building the site up with even more awesome specimens and more great stories. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:10:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fuzzf...@comcast.net writes: Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Greg, I would guess that Semarkona would bring a very high price per gram if any of it would come on the market. Also, some of the very low TKW carbonacious chondrites with a historical twist could be in the top price ranges. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:29:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold
Hello List, If anyone has been in contact with Mike Farmer in the last couple of months, and he has said ANYTHING negative about me or my meteorite business, please contact me directly off list. I would like to have the opportunity to share with you my side of the story. I think that is only fair. Thank you very much. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold
Hello List and Mike, I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is brought up: if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we can discuss them. Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone to keep these kind of things confidential when he discussed them with you before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks. I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it seems like Mike just did. Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the plaintiff(s) directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me. Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise. But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have actual first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of here, right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof that all these public claims are in fact factual. So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made: 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that? 2. That I have been kicked off most of the land at Admire. Can you prove that? 3. My 8n8 contracts are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that? 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies. Can you prove that? 5. That my TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000. Can you prove that? 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg) for $10,000. Can you prove that? 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that? 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham Pallasite is incredible inflated and unrealistic prices. Can you prove that? 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo meteorites. Can you prove that? 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove that? 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become millionaires? Can you prove that? 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that? 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that? 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that? 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that? 16. Which people have you spoken to working at Admire that you are quoting? Can you list names? 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2 years. Can you prove that? Please name names if you are citing this hearsay as proof. 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you prove that? 19. That they think we are all con men now. Can you prove that? 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors project. Can you prove that? 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove that? 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can you prove that? 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove that? 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder if you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can you prove that? I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and respond with: Yea, Steve you are right. then refuse to answer these questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose of getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions anyway, even though we know you won't answer them. Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you, including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay
Hello List, Well, I guess we found out that Admire is worth between $0.22/g and $18.95/g depending on several factors most of which can be related to size. I am quite pleased with how well these sold, so I will be putting more Admire lots up on Ebay in the next few days, again starting at $1 with no reserve. We will see if tonight's prices were just a fluke of if they will be maintained as such over time. Thanks goes out to all of you that bid those up and to those of you who purchased. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men *** In a message dated 8/5/2009 9:06:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteorh...@aol.com writes: Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my one AD for the week here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay
Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my one AD for the week here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite names that are names
I was thinking of Benjamin Harrisonville Steve Arnold Of Metoerite Men --Original Message-- From: Jeff Grossman Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite names that are names Sent: Jul 25, 2009 8:57 PM I was thinking of Benjamin Franklin, so there are two! Pekka Savolainen wrote: Franklin Roosevelt take care, pekka s Jeff Grossman kirjoitti: I like this theme... Can you name a famous American political figure whose first and last name are each also H chondrite names? Jeff Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:00:33 -0400, you wrote: I think Kevin Kichinka compiled such a list that he distributed with his Meteorite Market report. It is probably a pretty big percentage of meteorites, given names from all cultures, not just American names (whatever that is.) A big percentage of place names, I would think are named after someone-- and lots of people's names are then derived from place names. Somewhere in Australia, there might be some poor kid named Millbillillie Mundrabilla. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 05:58:00 -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite names that are names
Anyone have a piece of that one? Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men --Original Message-- From: Darren Garrison Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: cyna...@charter.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite names that are names Sent: Jul 25, 2009 11:19 PM Okay, one of our Steves needs to start calling himself this: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=5445 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite book _The_Fallen_Sky_
You had to go and stop the sample pages where the topic on the last paragraph states:: The very act of collecting, many say is sexual... Thanks, now we all will have to go out and buy this just to find out what he is talking about. While I have heard people in the field tell others to go do something with themselves, I never really thought of meteorites and meteorite collecting in the terms of being sexual in nature. And you say there is 448 pages of this? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 7/23/2009 1:42:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: My copy of The Fallen Sky arrived today. I've had just a few minutes to look over it so no major details, but it is a sizable hardback (448 pages of text not counting index, notes, and such) and is divided into 10 sections, each on a different meteorite-related topic. Section 7 is A Serious Case of the I Wants: The Passions of the Dealers which should particularly interest many list members as a few of you make cameo appearances. I did a quick scan of a few sample pages from that chapter. I didn't work to make them actually look good (which might require disarticulating the pages to get the inside edges flat) or to give a whole segment, but just to give an idea of the contents. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/the_fallen_sky/ **Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Brenham for Trade/Sale
Hey List, I will be selling one Brenham in the next week. Up for consideration are three Brenhams: 1. 92 pound Becky Stone Brenham found on the Travel Channel's Cash and Treasures TV Show 2. 351 pound Oriented Brenham 3. 82 pound Traveler Brenham found on the Travel Channel's Cash and Treasures TV Show I am looking to raise $10,000 cash, even though each the above specimens are worth a lot more than that. I thought about putting one of them on Ebay, but I didn't know which of the 3 meteorites above the person willing to pay the most would actually want. Also, I am open to doing a part-cash/part-trade deal but of course, on Ebay one can't do that with a no reserve auction. So, before I resort to Ebay, and their high fees (another reason to try to avoid an ebay) I will entertain offers. I don't HAVE to raise $10,000 in just one deal, so if you don't have quite that much money, but still might have some killer trade stuff you could make a cool deal out of, let me know about it and we can talk. Contact me off list please. Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Men Collectibles
Hey List, Well, it was interesting to see how the Meteorite Men collectible slabs went on Ebay this past week. I was genuinely surprised to see the complete set of 18 go actually go for more than the 18 individuals did. I thought it would have been the other way around. Usually volume sales is where the discounts are. This first listing was a test. And as part of the test, investing time to load on things on Ebay is fine. But the results of the test show that listing some to only get from $1 to $4 final bid isn't worth the fees or the time to do so. There are other venues to better move low cost items than the high fee and high labor task of posting on Ebay. However, some of the individuals that brought up over the $10 range take the same time to list, and the fees are close to the same, but the profit is more worth the time cost. The test shows that selling complete sets also might be worth the effort since the first one brought a bit of a premium. I only have 4 more complete sets. So, I am haven't decided yet if I want to list more on Ebay or not... But I figured if anyone on the list might be interested in some of these directly from me, let's skip Ebay and we can talk one on one. Thanks Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men . **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823310x1201398722/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
Carl, Anne and Mike, I am a bit bewildered about this as well. If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove because he wanted to slit his car tires, that would be one thing. But I don't think that is the case here. When I was at West hunting, and finding lots of rocks, would I ever think someone was doing something unethical if someone asked what car I was driving or where I was parked and hunting? No. Would I want them to know? Not always. So sometimes I would hide my car, or take someone else's to a hunting spot. If someone found my car, would I be mad at them? No. Would I file an ethics complaint with the IMCA? No. In fact, one afternoon I returned from a field near where we had pulled a lot of West stones out, only to see Farmer standing by my car waiting. Others around said he was waiting there for over a half hour to talk with me. Did he do anything unethical by doing that? I don't think so. Did that make me want to share all my strewnfield data with Mike even though he was almost crying on the this list begging for me to share it? No, his attitude made me want to keep my info even more secret. I find it flattering that Mike finally comes around to my way of thinking as he gains more experience, as he has in this case. Mike calls this a Blood sport but turns around and cries foul when someone wants to know what car he is driving? Interesting. (This is where I would normally insert a humorous insult towards Mike, but I want the record to show that I have refrained from doing so.) Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 7/17/2009 1:27:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cdtuc...@cox.net writes: Anne, It is hard to believe that you would put this on the list. Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure Jack can claim ownership of his finds and nobody is going to take them away from him but give us all a break here. This is a fall that was observed by dozens of people and there are dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I don't think this hit Jack on the head. I think he also had to figure this out. Why is he any better than the rest of us I simply asked what Mike drives as verification but obviously I had already figured out the general area. Cat Mountain was also this big secret that I had to do a lot of work to find out where it was. I then shared this info with others and it resulted in the discovery of Snyder Hill while they were looking. This is all good and if you don't agree I am sorry but How can you say that this is Jack's find That is ridiculous! I did not post the location but I did ask Mike if I could help earlier and he rejected me. This would have made this location confidential. Now I'm not so sure? And Jack never personally even bothered to respond to my list posts and requests to help. As you know I offered to rescue these critters before they drown in the rains. They said no. I don't know what material is left to be found but hopefully now more will be found before they do drown. Again this is all good. PS what is your call on the leak of a private email your Honor? -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
In a message dated 7/17/2009 2:10:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stanleygr...@hotmail.com writes: All: I'm relatively new at this and I was wondering. Why is there so much difference between this fall and the West, TX fall? Thanks, Greg S * Greg, The main difference is that a meteorites were found by a lot of people in West in short order, and here the few that have been found have been few and far between in a not so publicly known location. In West it was not uncommon for people to find a meteorite once every other day, sometimes a bit more often, and other times some people went up to a week of hunting and not finding anything. But whatever the case, in West, at least part of the strewnfield was publicly known from day one. In West there was no chance that anyone could hoard all the finds for themselves, here there is a reasonable chance that Jack's team might be able to, or at least that is what it seems they hope they can do. If you are asking what is different about Farmer's stance this time around, it is because he is on the other side of the fence this time. And many people can appreciate that different circumstances can call for different plans of action. I think some people come down hard on Farmer, because he publicly states things in absolute black and white terms, strongly criticizing people, then he himself turns around and goes against his own previously publicly stated standards. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
Mike, I don't disagree with you on most of what you said. I just don't think that getting one's panties in a wad because someone would want to know if they spotted your car somewhere is the huge ethics violation that you make it out to be. Maybe others would think it is. I don't. I just shared my opinion. Steve In a message dated 7/17/2009 2:13:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: Steve There are a few differences in these situations. 1. West was a free for all, I merely drove a mile down the road and found 5 or 6 cars and lots of hunters sitting beside the road, not exactly James Bond level work (I know them all) so I stopped. I was not out looking for you. And there were about 50 hunters in the strewnfield at that time, all we were doing was expanding the known area. 2. I was not begging people to give your vehicle information so I could spy on you. 3. This is not a free for all strewnfield yet, and Carl in that email was making offers, that if those he asked gave him my car data, he would make it worth their information. 4. Carl is acting like the searching for my vehicle is meteorite hunting as opposed to taking eyewitness reports, driving all over southern Arizona, taking aziumuths with compasses, and triangulating this fall, which is what Jack did. Homework paid off, he did not stoop to merely looking for the hunters. Steve, I wanted your data on your West stones more for total known weight and number of stones found more than coordinates. I knew where you were the whole time, and respected your location and me or people with me never hunted where you were. There is some respect involved actually. If hunters did their homework and showed up in the strewnfield, that is one thing, but to resort to spying on me, that is pitiful, like I said. I guess I have to watch for cars waiting at my gate from now on. Taking the shortcut is the way of a lazy person. Steve, there are differences in these situations. thanks by the way on your congrats for the stone I found, I sent a reply but with the wrong email so it did not go through. I feel that am IMCA member is acting in a way that is wrong, and Anne seems to agree. Michael Farmer **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT...
In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:11:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: Steve Arnold is a contender, I think he beat the pants off Mike at West, but didn't he have a 5 year long drought? *** Phil, I am honored by your mention, but we have to be serious here. I have only hunted at 7 sites in the last 4 years, spending 90% of my time at two sites. West was a fun 28 day detour in it all. Before 2005 I was an amateur meteorite hunter only hitting one or two places a year with metal detector in hand. In 2003 I picked up 113 meteorites from Park Forest, one being 11 km from the main mass, I found the most there, but I don't think anyone else was even trying to find a lot. For the most part, over the years I invested most of my time and made most of my money from being a dealer not a hunter. If we are judging this by total weight recovered, I am beat by quite a few people on lifetime numbers. If we are judged by total number recoveries from different locations, there are many people who beat me. If we judge by profit from meteorite sales of found meteorites, there are many more higher on that list than I am. Maybe, if you judged success by most media coverage (TV, newspaper, Radio, Magazines,internet, etc.) I would be at the top of that list. But I hardly think that is a good barometer for determining the Most Successful Meteorite Hunter. Success is our world is often judged by the amount of money you make. So who has made the most money? But what about people that are not in this for the bottom line only? Cottingham mentioned not willing to sacrifice family time to be gone from home too much. If his kids grow up emotionally well balanced because he was in their lives more, but someone else finds more meteorites but has a lousy home life, some people might argue who really was more of a success? It is easier to measure who did the best at one location. Let's all go to Holbrook for the weekend, and whomever finds the most in number wins the title for the day. Or drop us off at Munonionalusta for a week, and we can put the bounty on the scales 7 days later. Who found the biggest West? Or the most Wests? Or the most total weight of Wests? Who will find the most at this new Arizona Strewnfield? I think it might be possible to single out who might have had the best year financially, in total weight, in total numbers etc in a given year, but to stretch it out for more than a decade long period of time, that gets a bit tough, and very subjective. Someone might be better or worse than their numbers indicate because of other factors in their life. Others might just get a little lucky. It is all so subjective. And to top it off, I don't know if anyone out there is hell bent on finding the most new meteorites, or the most total recovered weight, or the biggest single meteorite of all time. Most of us do this because we love it. We love the challenge that each day brings, that each new fall brings, that each old strewnfield with new clues brings. I would guess there are people that want to find as many as they can. Or to find the biggest they can. And I am sure there are people that want to make as much money as possible. But as with so many things in life, it isn't so much beating everyone else, but beating mediocrity and being the best one can be. If being a husband, a father, a grandfather, a teacher, a dealer, a scientists, etc. gets in the way of being a better hunter then we all make those quality decisions at different times in our lives. And since this isn't like boxing, where one unquestionable champion holds the title until someone takes it away from him, and since this isn't like pro football with a Super Bowl game at the end of the playoffs, how do you measure the current Champion? Maybe it would be better to look at this more like a Hall of Fame question where a lifetime of contribution is recognized on a persons individual accomplishments and contributions. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **S T R E T C H your technology dollars with great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081712x1201714210/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2 D5) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thursday Night
Hello List, I am excited to announce the prototype to a new line of meteorite collectibles Geoff Notkin and I are working on. Several years ago, I put some pieces of Brenham Shale in a plastic slabs as a test as a Limited Edition Collectible at the Haviland Kansas Meteorite Festival, they seemed to go over well. I then took it a step further and made six different slabs holding dust from various meteorites (Moon Dust, Mars Dust, etc). I put that project on the back burner, until revisiting the concept with Geoff now. These slabs are manufactured for the rare coin industry and are quite popular in that industry. The slim clear plastic cases also work great for holding thin part slices of meteorites as well. With our TV show Meteorite Men airing on Science Channel, more people are being introduced to the world of meteorite collecting, and as such we thought it would be nice to make it a little easier for them to get started with meteorites with a little different packaging. Of course, most all of you on the Meteorite List are not in need of help in getting started collecting, but we wanted to get your feedback on this as well. Some of you remember our limited run of Brenham part slices in Lucite from Tucson. These were quite popular, but at $99 they were priced out of the range of a lot of beginning collectors. We wanted to have something in the $3 to $50 retail price range to offer. We are expecting that more Meteorite Men episodes will be coming in the near future. If more TV episodes do materialize, then we will almost certainly take these slabbed meteorites collectibles up to a far more professional level in appearance, as well as with a wider selection of available specimens. But for now, this is what we have. Some of these will slabbed specimens in the future will not be limited editions, where we would most likely set the retail price and then make as many as the market would continue to buy. While others will be limited to a just a few limited number specimens, in some case a very limited number. So we have made a prototype assortment of limited edition meteorites encased in the slabs, and we have some of them up on Ebay right now. Getting the exact same size part slice for each of a limited edition of 20 pieces, for example, would be very hard to do. With low priced per gram material, it is not a big deal, as they can all be priced all the same. But with more rare material, the actual value of the specimen could differ greatly base upon the weight of the slice. Then there is the value of the item as a collectible. It is so hard to predict what the values should be, as that is so subjective. Ask some people, and they will say the collectible factor is not even worth $1.00. If our TV show does go to series, and becomes a big hit, and we start cranking out thousands of these specimens in slabs, then the first ones out in this batch theoretically could become more valuable up and beyond the raw value of the meteorite specimen enclosed in it. Why are some rare coins with the same about of silver in them worth more than others? Why are some baseball cards worth more than others? It all has a bit to do with supply and demand. The demand is real low for these right now, since (relatively speaking) no one knows about us, or these items, yet. Some of these specimens are almost impossible to find on the market, while some are very common. Some are exotic types, others more common. The numbers available of each range from 6 up to 27, so there is a wide range on the availability factor. So, I have put some of these up on Ebay with a 3 day listing. We hope some of you buy these at what will be a fair price right now, and we hope they later become worth a lot more. In addition to making the buyers happy, and us happy, it would really tweak one person out there! :-) So, I am starting each of these at $0.99, with no reserve, and we will see where they go. Also, I have one complete set with all 18 specimens, all numbered #4, up for auction in one lot. In this prototype run, the lower the number the BIGGER the specimen enclosed. So many of the #4 specimens are much larger than the others being listed here on the same night. Remember that when looking to The Colony, OK specimen only has 6 units. And the #6 unit is up for sale as an individual with this batch. So, at the most, there is only going to be 5 complete sets available. In fact, this one full set might be the only complete set that will go on sale as such. Check them out here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Please look at the listings, and feel free to respond to me off list if you would like to share some comments, or ask questions. Also, if you are one of the people who eventually buys one, please check back with me on your opinion of these after
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on TV again 4 times in next 3 days
Hello Folks, For any of you who missed the TV show Meteorite Men, or for those of you who would like to watch it again, it is airing 4 more times over the next 3 days on the Science Channel. Wed. July 15, 8:00 pm Eastern Time Wed. July 15, 11:00 pm Eastern Time Thurs. July 16, 3:00 pm Eastern Time Fri. July 17, 3:00 am Eastern Time You can also check the listings here: http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15725.126184.3 6729.1 More info about the show can be found at: www.MeteoriteMen.com Enjoy! Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:23:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00, so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box so let's call it $30.00. Mike, FYI, these are all listed at $0.99 on Ebay, not at $30.00 If anyone wants to pay more for any of these, they can offer more. It is their choice. I am sure, if you have your way as a very influential person in the meteorite world, you will discourage EVERYONE from bidding on these, and they will all just sell for $0.99 each, or maybe not even get any bids. Personally, my goal is that each one sells for at least $2.25 so I can prove to you that my promotional efforts are worth more than the $1.00 that you said it was only worth. You don't know how much pleasure this brings me that just the announcement tweaks you so much Mike? Thanks. It is all worth it now, even if they all only sell for only $1.05 each. By all means Mike, offer some of your own meteorite inventory in limited quantities and see if you can get more for them. Anyone can buy the plastic cases, but if you don't like the idea, fine, just use a cardboard box and an paper ID card. I have a hunch people might like them in plastic cases and in limited editions. It has been done before in other fields of collectibles, why not with meteorites? Maybe no one will like them. Maybe some people will. We will see. Of course I could take some meteorites to China and have figurines caved out of them, or have them made into jewelry, but I am trying this method to reach out to new collectors to see how it goes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Life is good. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:23:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, meteorite...@yahoo.com writes: Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying it is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45. Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct until they ran out) I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against them. I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00, so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box so let's call it $30.00. Mike, Here is an idea for you, and you can have this idea all for yourself, I won't tell anyone else about it. Just between you and me (and the 12 people who read the List, but I am sure they won't tell anyone either.) Mint up some token/coins. Then glue some meteorites on them that are worth about $0.02 each. Stamp #4 of 45 on the back of them and sell them for $30.00. I know, at first you might think that anyone so stupid to do something like selling a coin worth maybe $1 for $30 would only get people laughing at them. And while I am sure you would think that would be a slimy Billy Mays thing to do, maybe you should try it. I am sure no one will laugh at you if you at least tried it. But, if you do something like that, be careful and not mention it on the meteorite list, as there are some people on there that would attack you and tell you it is stupid and that you are just trying to rip people off, and they would try to get everyone else not to buy them. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Jim, I am sorry if I didn't make this clear, but let me state it one more time. I have absolutely no problem with people selling limited edition meteorite coins or limited edition meteorite tokens or limited edition meteorite medals. Or limited edition meteorite anythings. I am all for it. I think it is a great idea. I might even see if we can make up some limited edition Meteorite Men coins. Maybe one for each episode. I however do have a problem with people that are hypocrites in slamming something else that is a limited edition that someone else is testing out. Is there a difference between the prototype line of limited edition meteorite specimens in a plastic case with a hand numbered ID and limited edition coins with a number stamped in it by a machine? Sure there is. Especially if the coin is legal tender and minted by a recognized government whereby there could be prison terms attached if someone is convicted of counterfeiting and trafficking in them. Could I make up ten #4 out of 6 ID cards for the Prototype Colony, OK CO3.0 Meteorite slab, and sell them under the table, because I am writing the numbers in by hand? Sure. Could someone with a non-legal tender tokens have ten #4 out of 420 tokens made up? Sure. Could someone with legal tender coins from a real country have ten #4 out of 420 coins minted...maybe, but probably not as likely due to the counterfeiting laws. Could someone have 100 grams of a meteorite that the Meteorite Bulletin says there is only 75 grams TKW in existence? Sure. I suppose it comes down to trust. As for your comment about my attempt to strake a fatal blow to my arch nemesis in the meteorite world I would have to take issue with that comment. I am under no delusion that my comments will make any significant impact in that arena. While he is on record that he sees this a blood sport to justify his gladiator complex I am just content at self defense. I have never said anything on the offense against him, only in defending against his delusional public comments. By the way Jim, I appreciate your marketing savvy to sneak in an AD for your coins, tokens and medals. I hope this thread helps you sell a few more of them! Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 7/15/2009 2:35:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nwa...@comcast.net writes: Hi Steve,,, In your enthusiasm to strike a fatal blow to your arch nemesis in the meteorite world you forgot one important fact. The meteorite coins/tokens/medals (or whatever everyone wants to call them) are truely limited edition. There will only be ONE #420 of the Campo coin or any other medal that has been struck using a reputable company using a mold and die process. This is the main difference from a piece of paper with a number written on it. I am not saying that you would make more than ONE #1 of any of your cases but in theory it could be easily done. Also, there are quite a few of us selling meteorite coins/medals/tokens so when you are taking a shot at these collectables, well you are taking a shot at a lot of us. Just because I fell good about going on vacation for a week, I will give discount on all of my meteorite coins/medals/tokens for the next 24 hours. $20- each for the Campo and NWA 869 Medals and $70- each for the planetary Medals. Payment must be made by 5:00 Eastern Time on Thursday so that I can ship on my way to the airport on Friday. Worldwide shipping costs are included in the discounted price. Unfortunately, I can not take specific # orders on this short of notice. For those of you who like to call them coins go to this link: http://www.meteoritecoins.com For those of you who like to call them medals go to this link: http://www.meteoritemedals.com For those of you who like to call them tokens go to this link: http://www.meteoritetokens.com Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.imeteorites.com **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 1:03:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteoritehun...@comcast.net writes: Steve even a monkey would understand the difference between a minted coin with numbers stamped on and a plastic box with handwritten paper. By the way we many thousands for each limited edition coin. So yes no one would deny that the meteorite is not worth anything to speak of but the work in making the coin cost plenty. We sell enogh of them that is for sure. Michael Farmer * Mike, You don't get it do you? I have no problem with making and selling meteorite coins as collectibles. Never once have you ever heard me say anything bad about them. In fact, we might just mint a Meteorite Men collectible coin now that I am thinking about it, especially if you promise to get mad about it and come here on the list and help promote it by saying it is a stupid Billy Mays idea. My point was to sarcastically point out that you are a big hypocrite in just about everything thing you do. I am sure someone with more free time than I have could go back in the archives and pull out all kinds of things that you come on here and vomit about, spewing your vile hatred and jealousies about, when you have done some of the same things yourself. In the big scheme of things, putting a meteorites in plastic holders and assigning a limited edition numbers is not that evil of a thing to do. Really Mike, it isn't that bad. We as dealers often promote the Total Known Weight (TKW) and the Total Available Weight (TAW) outside of public collections as a factor in helping people determine how rare something is. Nininger made up things like the Canyon Diablo Stars. Are you telling me that if the Nininger Stars had a piece of paper on them with a hand written limited edition number on them, it would not help their values as collectibles? Would it have helped Nininger sell more back then if he did? Probably not...but maybe. Will they help me sell more now? Probably not...but maybe. So why not do it? It takes more time to make up each one that way, but my guess is that if I had one up that was not limited and an identical one up that was part of a limited edition, the limited edition one would bring a bit of a premium. You think it is stupid. I think, why not do it, just in case it isn't stupid? If it doesn't help, all I am out is a little extra time in individualizing each one. So as a dealer today, what is wrong with me saying I am only going to selling 6 pieces of Colony in the slabs, and that is it. Or I am only selling 7 of Delaware, AR? Do you ever come on the list and say Only one remaining? Or Only 3 complete slices will come from this specimen? You do it all the time. All the time. Yet you and your Tourette's Syndrome of the finger tips just can't hold back from coming on here and bashing me every chance you get. It is actually getting quite flattering Mike. And then you can't resist telling me that people are laughing at me as if that would really matter to me. If I was insecure and obsessively worried about what people think about me and that people might be laughing at me (like some people must obviously be) then maybe it would bother me. But I don't really care if people laugh at me. In fact, the comedian in me kind of likes the idea that people are laughing. Besides, getting advice from you on how I should act to avoid other people laughing behind my back is, well...ironic at best, considering the source. At worst, it is like how the Republican leaders come on the TV and give advice to the Democrats to tell them what they need to do if the Democrats want to get reelected. So rest assured Mike, you don't have to come on here and defend yourself as to why minting coins is a good idea. I like the idea. I was just using irony to get my point across. Someone suggested that I should sell one of the T-shirts I wore on the TV show on Ebay, just to tweak you even more. I could number it #1 of 1. What do you think Mike? Would I get more than $1 for it? If you promise to get mad, and promote it on the list for me, I will put the T-shirt up for sale, just for you. Oh, and for the rest of you, FYI the president of the Science Channel has inquired with us about the possibility of selling meteorites from Discovery's website, maybe even promoting them on our show. Testing out a possible idea on a small scale is not always considered a stupid idea before suggesting rolling out thousands of something. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 7:04:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, d...@fallingrocks.com writes: Steve, My stepson has Tourette Syndrome. Thankfully not coprolalia...yet, anyway. But c'mon... DG *** Dave, My apologies go out. I did not intend to insult anyone with Tourette's Syndrome (especially your stepson) by insinuating that they might be on the level of Mike's recent behavior. Besides, Mike has called a truce and promised not to fight anymore, and I am sure he is a man of his word. We can all live peaceably now. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite Fall - Update July 15, 2009
Amazing find Mike, Congratulations on such a great recovery! Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 7/15/2009 9:13:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteoritem...@gmail.com writes: No wonder Farmer was happy. I'd be loopy! Nice find. **Performance you need and the value you want! Check out great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081934x1201714279/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D819 39%2D1629%2D4) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Image of PA/MD bolide passing near M31
In a message dated 7/12/2009 1:22:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mojave_meteori...@cox.net writes: I hadn't yet seen the York video, nor did I know which way that camera was pointed. Rob, The York Water Company video was facing roughly NE and I measured the burn out to be at 88 to 90 degrees, almost due east of that point of the camera on the map. Steve Arnold of Mike Farmer hates me fame **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1201454399/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 7/12/2009 3:25:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, meteoritehun...@comcast.net writes: I don't hate you so don't be childish. I said you were milking the meteorite men thing so hard it makes younlook stupid. Sent from my iPhone Michael * Mike, You are probably right that you don't hate me. I stand corrected. You, know Mike, if you weren't so consumed with my business, and all my ebay listings and how I sign my name at the end of each of my emails, you probably wouldn't have caught how I signed my name on that last email! You really should just get over it like Geoff said. Some might say your behavior makes, how did you just say it... younlook stupid. Steve Arnold of Mike Farmer is jealous of me fame **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1201454399/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning to armchair fireball chasers
Hello List, I have just had some great off list correspondence with Dave Ghessling over at FallingRocks.com. He, like a gentleman, expressed off list with me a concern that I had mistakenly lumped the Georgia Fireball of this year in with the group of events that has revealed some of the so called armchair fireball chasers. I want to state on the record that I was mistaken. That it seems I was wrong, and that the only offers made in Georgia were by people on the ground in Georgia and not via others long distance. And in no way did I intend to implicate him personally in any wrong doing. In fact, I want to go so far as to say that I personally don't think there is anything wrong with people going public with making purchase offers. Of course I don't think one should claim to offer, for example, $10,000 for the first one pound rock, unless they are indeed willing and able to follow through with such an offer. I know different people have different opinions on this topic. I agree that those types of public offers can create problems in the field, but not making those public offers can also create problems (namely, fewer local people out looking). I personally don't currently make those kind of offers, but I don't stand in judgement against people who do. My whole intent of that post was to just let people know, when they do talk to people, such as the person who talked to Mike Hankey, long distance and over the phone, and asked him not to share his information with anyone else... those kinds of things can get repeated, and in the case of the Baltimore Sun, they can make the front page news. That's all. My post wasn't in opposition to or in support of chasing meteorites from home. I hope this clears this up. My apologies to Dave and to anyone else that might have taken my comment of the Georgia event incorrectly. I also want to thank Dave for being a stand up guy and talking to me directly about this and not going behind my back and bad mouthing me to others. And I want to thank Dave for taking this to me personally first instead of taking the opportunity to post publicly something that was so easily taken care of privately. I appreciate gentlemen like him in this business who act as such. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men (ha, what are you looking for this time Mike?) **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1201454399/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fact Sheet - Possible Media Solution?
Hello List, I was greeted this morning with a front page story in the Baltimore Sun. While it could have been worse, it made me realize I need to do something to help writers focus on the facts and the real story and not to slide over and just use the more sensational answers or comments given in an interview. Also, some reports do actually attempt to do more research on their own before writing, and sometimes they interview amateurs that are even better at saying not-so-smart things like those of us with experience are also so good at doing. As Darryl mentioned the other day, reporters tend to resist writing from a Press Release and usually will work to manufacture their own story from the ground up based on what they uncover in their interviews. So maybe a solution might be a Fact Sheet I can have preprinted to give to the reporters at each interview. Of course, if I am not asked a certain question by a reporter, there is a greater chance I won't offer that fact in my interview. Or if I do, it can be out of the context of the interview and the reporter might not understand why what I said was important. Time is often a restraint, both in the interview and in the writing to meet a deadline, so it isn't always the reporters fault that they don't get around to asking the questions that would paint a clearer picture. Maybe a Fact Sheet could be in a F.A.Q. fashion? Or just stated as Facts, billet style? So, I would like some help from you guys. I would like some suggestions as to what should be included in a fact sheet, so that when handed to the reporter, they can refer to it during and/or after the interview as they might need. For starters, I can list my name and contact information, that would be good. (Nothing worse than one's name being spelled wrong in the paper.) I can list my correct age (which is 43 not 42 as erroneously stated in today's story). Which does make you pause, if a reporter can't get someone's age correct, is it any wonder that other aspects of the story might get skewed a little (or a lot) one way or another. However, in the case of Robert Haag in the Astronomy story a few years back, they listed him as 40 years old and not 50 years old. A typo I am sure! ;-) (Or as someone hinted, maybe a little slice of Zagami under the table might have helped that typo to not be spotted in time!) How about Why are meteorites are valuable to science? Q, with an appropriate and pithy answer. After all, if it wasn't for the science, we really wouldn't have much in the way of higher demand for many of our meteorites. Of course, there is a collectors market. And while the words treasure and hunter together can give a negative connotation, they can give an adventurous one as well. And we all have to admit, while it is not all just for the money, that does play at least a part in why those of us in the field do what they do. How can the fact that we are also hunting for the source of knowledge, not just cash be stated? I suppose I could go through all the media stories I have seen lately and pull out the errors and try to find out why the reporter might have got the reporting of it wrong. Then find a way to stress, in the Fact Sheet, what is the correct take should be on it. For example, after talking about how most meteorites are common and don't offer all that much valuable new information, others do. I went on that some are far more desirous to researchers than others, and to collectors as well. In that context I mentioned that meteorites can be worth from 5 cents a gram up to over $1,000 dollars a gram. There seemed to be some negative reaction from the York newspaper's story here on the M-List where that range was mentioned. Well, now the Baltimore reporter (who was in the same interview as the York reporter) decided to drop the range I had given and just somehow averaged it all out to: hundreds of dollars per gram instead. Probably shorter and easier that way for him. I am sure his editor appreciated it being shorter, in fact, maybe it was his editor that shortened it for him. Of course, factually both reporters are not incorrect as to the values, and doing a search on any dealer website and on ebay shows both of those statements to be factually correct. However, maybe I can state that a fact on my Fact Sheet that majority of all meteorites are worth from $0.20 to $2 per gram. And that certain factors determine why they might be worth more or less than that range. Any other suggestions? Oh, I would imagine Ruben might suggest that I add that Fossils are not found in meteorites. Any others? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
[meteorite-list] Warning to armchair fireball chasers
Hey All, I wanted to add something here. As noted in the Baltimore Sun story today, Mike Hankey was quoted that a lot of people were contacting him by phone about the photo he captured of the fireball. I spent a couple hours with Mike at his house and at his scope, and he is really a great guy. Excited that his hobby of just 6 months produced such a lucky outcome, he was on one hand glad that people appreciate his results. On the other hand, he was starting to notice a pattern when talking with people, that while they wanted to extract information from him, they all to often were trying to hint that he shouldn't share this same information with others that might ask later. At least one had boldly asked him not to share it with anyone else. He told me that there was an offer of official recognition made if a meteorite turned up, due to his cooperation with them AND if he didn't cooperate with others. He asked me in an email, if maybe the meteorite might be able to be named after him if it was found. Now, I am not sure if such a bribe was actually offered to him, or if his ego was maybe puffed up a bit by being made to think that his contribution to some of us really made him important enough to warrant the rock being named after him? Maybe he came up with that on his own, or maybe the idea was planted with him. My caution to those of you working the phones, it is NOT just those of us in the field that say and do things that affect the stories that go to print. Mike was impacted by what he was getting from emails and phone calls from others enough to comment to me, and to comment to the reporter, who did end up writing about it. Sometimes it is easy for our guard to be let down, that if we are not talking directly to a reporter, that what we are saying will just stay between us and the person we are talking to. We saw today that this is not always the case. We saw in Buzzard Coulee, West and Georgia how people can offer cash rewards to buy rocks from their home, not from the field, and how that can also affect the stories in the papers. I am not being overly critical here, I just wanted people to know that many things influence a story that goes to print, not just what is said in interviews by people on the ground. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323031x1201367232/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
