Re: [meteorite-list] Re: LaCriolla + State Of Met. Market
I agree. But don't forget who started this political argument... Bernhard At 15:52 26.11.2004, you wrote: Dear Michael and all, Michael, political ramblings are no place for this list. Please refrain from doing so any more. If we can talk about politics then why not religion, classic cars, cigars, coin collecting or what have you? A big part of the market is and has been hurt by useless fighting, all on this un- moderated list. Let's talk meteorites and follow Art's rules. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Political Ramblings and Collection Habits
Well, it certainly depends on WHEN you started collecting. I agree that the expensive pieces are dirt-cheap even today and were expensive some time ago, but the OC material has been cheaper last year. The bargains with pieces below $ 100 have certainly decreased. But if you have a lot to spend, you can get larger pieces very cheap. But I am still convinced that the gold rush is coming to an end... Bernhard At 17:21 26.11.2004, you wrote: political ramblings are no place for this list. .. because this will automatically split this haunted place into at least two opposing factions mirroring the election results in the USA. no one should be in this just for profit or investment, buy something you love ... I have never considered my meteorite collection a financial investment. The opposite is true, ... my meteorite collection absorbs a lot of money. Its absolute (objective?) value would presently amount to several 10,000 dollars but if I ever intended to sell it, I would probably get no more than 1/3 this sum or even less (rule of thumb for stamps when I was a serious and passionate collector). Collectibles lose their inherent charm as soon as we see the money first like Uncle Scrooge does :-) That was also the case when I started selling some of my rarer stamps many years ago. As soon as I saw in them a potential source of making money, the joy, the charm these little works of art imparted was gone for good. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day Repository at meteoritegallery.com
Hi! From today on, SPACEROCKS INC.'s Rocks from Space Picture of the Day will be archived at http://www.meteoritegallery.com so that older pictures won't get lost due to the limited space on geocities (and as we have no bandwidth limit on our server, there will be no page not accessible due to bandwidth overuse). I am in the process of transfering the older pics to the gallery as well. The Meteorite Gallery now hosts over 130 pictures from meteorites, alphabetically sorted. They are all submitted by collectors. And once again a reminder to visit http://metsale.com, the new auction site for meteorites and nothing but meteorites. Currently, there are 5 auctions running (one ending within the next 8 hours), and I invite you to try to sell your items there. Until the end of the year, there are no fees for listing and no end of auction fees, so basically you can sell your meteorites for free. Those signing up get a $10 bonus towards all other feature fees. Within the next 10 days or so, the meteorite network will be complete and I will announce all sites to the public. I worked hard to provide excellent tools to the community - and it's up to you to use them to your advantage. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA's, Dealers, Science, NomCom
Well, IMCA has made a call for a design for such a card lately, and I
even submitted one to them. No answer, and nothing else on this matter
:-(
It seems to me that IMCA spends a lot of energy on the structuring of
the management lately, and less on other things. And their communication
towards the members is something they have to improve. One could have
the impression now that IMCA acts like an elite circle and not like a
representation of collectors. For example: Since I am member of IMCA, I
haven't received a single mail to members about what is going on inside
of IMCA. I have been contacted by individuals within IMCA, yes, on
different matters I proposed and offered, but these were personal
contacts. Would I have remained a silent member, I would know nothing
about what IMCA is doing right now.
Yes, this is some critizism, but I think it is needed.
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Best regards,
Bernhard Rendelius Rems
CEO RPGDot Network
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This is exactly why I suggested ages ago that we adopt a standardized
meteorite Record card, then any information follows the piece around.
I do feel the IMCA should step in here, authenticity is paramount in our
field, and confidence is dripping away FAST!
Best,
Mark Ford
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA's, Dealers, Science, NomCom
Hi Doug and thanks for the interesting idea. I suppose that could work
if every dealer kept perfect records of every piece, slice, part slice,
and part, part slice that they ever bought or sold. The question then
would be, who would be the Meteorite Auditors to track down the few
offending dealers that may decide to fake a meteorite ID number, say
NWA 123,9,25,3,2 and track it through all the hands that is has passed
and sub-divisions that it has been cut into to verify that it is
really NWA 123,9,25,3,2? What happens if someone along the chain of
custody accidentally transposed the 3 and the 2 in the ID number, and
this got passed down the line? Some end recipient could then be accused
by the Meteorite Auditors of faking the piece after an audit exposed
the problem. Who is going to spend their time trying to resolve this
inevitable issues? I can just see our friends on the Meteorite-List
bickering over whether they have proper claim to NWA 123,9,25, 3,2 or
NWA 123,9,25,2,3!
Cheers
-John
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Hello John, Larry, Mike, Michael, List,
I want to respond to John's point of view on Mike's dramatic suggestion
that we acquire NWA's only from the dealer that classified it.
Mike - good post. My only wincing is that the dealer doesn't
classify it. A Met Soc approved researcher does mi cuate. I know you
know that but it won't hurt to remind you, I think, with my respects, as
always to you for a bang-up job. I am in agreement with the spirit of
your post and with that of John's with has me thinking you are both way
too right, extreme and impractical. What you have done IMHO is make a
perfect combined argument to get all the dealers off their alleged lazy
and greedy duffs to do the right thing.
John - Your post was good as usual, but more jaded than I am accustomed
to coming from you. This Trust argument alternative holds no water
personally since folks like me and I assume like Larry are not
interested in doing credit and background checks on dealers. And
without folks like me and I assume like Larry all you dealers will be
soon stuck in a pyramid scheme with each other on Meteorite pricing
which everyone's free-for-all neglect of scientific protocol has created
and sales have happily fomented.
So Listen, please and stop blaming the nomads gangs (wow that was a
laugher) or Habibi or Hupe or whoever and distancing yourselves - this
is a collective problem, period.
John, other than the trust monopoly exclusive club smelling thing you
suggest, I think you have not added your usual eye-opening value to
Mike's post. The answer [I think] here is to add the stone and fragment
numbers to conserve the classification process. Like NWA 6000, 2, 4
{...}. And keep a copy of the original classification card. In this
hypothetical exaple case, the NWA 6000 stone #2 slice 4. I stole the
idea from Dr. Grossman and NASA curators. It works. Then if you cut
the slice in half and give your partner the second half, she has NWA
6000,2,4,2. Don't make this confusing. sheesh, it is just adding a
number and only when necessary to your little piece of heaven, not
cataloging the entire stone.
Larry, let me give you the reason I think no one has done this. It
isn't some far flung idea - there is a great
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
I think the problem arises from the fact that sellers have sold a lot of stuff under NWA 869. I have a couple of so called NWA 869s, and it's hard to believe they all come from the same fall. However, I can say that NWA 904, at least the slice I got from the Hupes, does NOT look like NWA 869 in any way, nor does the one I got from Steve The Latefallsalesman Arnold. The matrix is different. Most of my NWA 869 look rather greyish on the inside, the NWA 904 has a brown/orange hue. Brecciation is somewhat different as well. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g The one on the left is NWA 904 and right is NWA 869! Or was that the other way around!?!?! ;-) This was hard to decide which one is 869 but photo was small :). Anyway I'm not saying that 904 is different from 969 becouse I have only one slice. But Im sure that this specimen I have is different from any other NWA869 I cut and polish. Look at crust, flat complete surface. How many NWA869 have that surface ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Dean, most of us know the practices of the dealers and the nomads, I think. There is no way to correct the problem, though. Those collecting NWAs will have to live with it. On the other hand, we get nice material for a low price. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty
Svend, I am not too familiar with the geography of Oman, but isn't Dhofar a southwestern part of Jiddat al Harasis? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: Dr. Svend Buhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:57 AM To: Bernhard Rems Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enjoy this beauty Bernhard and list, beautiful piece indeed - and well displayed in your fine gallery. But according to the coordinates and nomenclature the find location of Dhofar 535 should be the Dhofar region and not Jiddat al Harasis (JAH). best wishes Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 22.11.04 23:46:19: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/viennametcoll/757_dho_535_1 My latest acquisition - I just LOVE ungrouped meteorites :-). Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Introducing metsale.com
I want to introduce my new site to the meteorite community: http://www.metsale.com This is a meteorite auction site like ebay - but with some nice advantages: - This site is for meteorite auctions only (including books, software, tools and storage items) - Metsale allows swap offers to be made in auctions. - it offers reserve price and buy it now, photos and more. - it offers a wider variety of auction lengths than ebay. - you can have a store front in there for free - with its own URL. - it completely runs under SSL to protect your input and data. - winning bidders can pay you directly through paypal. - you can offer a lot of other payment options - forget ebay listing fees: listing is free of charge, regardless of the starting price - forget unreasonable ebay fees AFTER the sale: just plain 2% of the transaction (instead of fixed amount plus up to 5% at ebay). - reserve price, buy it now are free for now. - additional features are priced WAY below ebay. - in the future, there will be a offline lister like turbo lister at ebay. And you get a $10 bonus towards all fees when you sign up, so you can experiment with all additional options. To summarize: Metsale.com is ideal for you if you want to put up some items for sale, since the regular listing costs you nothing. Just enter a description (with a easy to use editor), upload a pic, set the starting price and that's all. And when you make a sale, it costs you much less than on ebay. You can also have a storefront at NO cost (this feature will be activated later today). So I invite you all, sellers, buyers and traders, to sign up at metsale.com. This could become a nice and lively market place - it depends on you now :-). Please visit us, and please spread the word. Bernhard Rems http://www.metsale.com http://www.meteoritegallery.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is there need for...
.a meteorite auction webpage other than ebay? Just asking. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] www.meteoritegallery.com - asking for your help
Hi, as I have announced on the IMCA list, I am restructuring my public meteorite sites including worldofmeteorites.com). None of those is ready for release now, but there is one site you could help me with: http://www.meteoritegallery.com As you know, worldofmeteorites.com had a section for meteorite pictures. This section was very popular, even amongst people just interested in meteorites. I thought it was a great educational source, helping to bring new people to our hobby. So I thought that it would be a good idea to dedicate a complete domain to this effort. This is why I am building meteoritegallery.com. The site isn't public yet (it will be announced before christmas), but I am already looking for contributors. I thought long about a way how to make contributions easy. This is what I came up with: If you want to upload a meteorite pic from your collection, you click this link: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery and register as a user. You will then be able to upload pictures to the upload folder. You will receive a mail with instructions on how to do that and how to describe the meteorite properly. When an upload has happened, the admins of the site receive a mail and will move your picture to the appropriate section of the gallery (if the naming and description is correct). So: Little work on the side of the uploaders :-) It would be nice if we have a number of pictures in the gallery before weg o public, and your help (vulgo your upload) is very much appreciated. If you have questions, please contact me. Best regards, Bernhard Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] AD - eBay auctions ending today, Excellent Values
I want to start a discussion about creating a list for announcements like these. Although I am interested in hearing about mid-fall-sales and ebay auctions that end soon, I think these postings are getting a little out of hand lately. Wouldn't it be a good idea to keep this list as a discussion list and create one for sale announcements (or is there already one)? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Literal Meteorite Price Lists...Igot some--wantem?
You would get a good average, though. Although - from time to time, there are people like 23dragons23, buying 20g of NWA 1827 for more than $400 :-). This person isn't uneducated, I guess, but they have more money than we all can shake our stick at *g*. Whatever: if you follow ebay auctions closely (and those buying there should certainly do that), you get a feel for how much things cost. Compare this with the prices on dealers' sites, and you know what you should invest. BTW, I think that prices for ordinary meteorites are a little on the rise. Ist his the pre-christmas frenzy or a subtle trend? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom AKA James Knudson Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nicholas Gessler Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Literal Meteorite Price Lists...Igot some--wantem? Ebay prices would not be trustworthy either. I have seen SA's sell for 10 cents a gram and $10 a gram, of course it depends on how nice it is. I have seen rusty Nantans sell for $5 a gram. I have seen Allende sell for $8 per gram and Allende that did not sell at even priced at $4 a gram. You have to many uneducated people buying meteorites on ebay to get an accurate figure. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Literal Meteorite Price Lists...I got some--wantem? Hi All, Actually Nick, ebay is totally different world than decade-old dealer listings. First of all, the posted prices are fixed whereas ebay is at the whims of the bidders who all have their own reasons for their bid amount. Second, most (but of course not all as some of you know about) of the dealer's stock is listed giving an indication of the type and sizes available at that point in time, with many much larger than the usual material on ebay. And third, there were many pieces of many rare meteorites offered through the years and the lists give a snapshot into the distribution of rare material over the years. It is really something to read through pricelists containing howardites, ureilites, carbonaceous chondrites, type 3s, eucrites, etc. and many of them are witnessed falls and none are NWAs or the like. Frankly, I think an ebay archive would be easy. Just build a progam to crawl the meteorite auctions after their completion and store the data in a searchable datab ase. The upfront time might be a touch high, but after that it would run forever with minimal tweaking. However, I suspect it might violate the ebay user agreement. Cheers, Martin - Original Message - From: Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 8, 2004 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Literal Meteorite Price Lists...I got some--want em? This would be a good idea. So would archiving all of eBay's meteorite auctions. However, it's an enormous task: Let's see... 400 auctions per week times 52 weeks is around 20,000. Times 10 years, is about 200,000. With 300x400 images or 100k pixels times 3 bytes per pixel is 300k bytes per auction (minimum). Times 20,000 is 6 megabytes for one year, or 60 for 10. It's late. Someone please check my math. Maybe it is feasible? Especially by someone who can write the code to do this automatically. But not by me... And then what have we got? Does the fact t hat someone paid $100 for xyz two years ago mean that $50 is a fair price today? Or $200? Oh well. Actually, I think the collection of photographs would be worth much more than the collection of prices! Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ad ebay meteorites
Pelé Pierre-Marie said, why don't we create a catalog of meteorites with official rates (like you can find for stamps or coins) ? I am in favor of a modified version of this, It's a great idea and it works for other hobbies such as Coins, Stamps, Tokens and a bunch of others. And I am not. There is only one authority to determine the price of a meteorite: the market. Nobody else should be allow to do it. If I see something for a price that I like I will buy it. If I sell something it all depends on if the buyer likes the price or not. Take this for an example: A says the price for El Hammami should be 40c a gram. B says it should be $1. Who's right? And what about the quality of the piece? Who will take it into account? And how? And what about size? True: some items are sold too cheap and others bought for insane prices. But if you want to determine the value of an item, the internet is a good source. It's work, yes, but it pays. So I am all against regulating the prices of meteorites. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites
Yes, but what for? Everyone can check prices for meteorites with little effort using google - and having something like an half-official price list just opens the doors for fights between dealers. Everybody will want his own meteorites being priced higher and those of competitors lower. And you simply can't compare the meteorite market to the stamps or coins market. Totally different things. What should such a price list be for? The meteorite market is volatile (need I have to say Amgala?) and such a list will be obsolete for many meteorites within months. What are you trying to achieve? Hold prices up for moon and mars artificially? It just won't work. The maker of such a list will run into disputes he hasn't even dreamed of... _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: Pelé Pierre-Marie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MeteoriteList Subject: Ad ebay meteorites Hello Bernhard, In fact, it's the same problem with collectibles as stamps. There are recommended prices but each seller can make its own price. Prices are only indicative. For spectacular meteorites, the buyer will be ready to pay an extra price for it. That's not regulation, that's only indicative information showing the average price on the market. We know well-known dealers who have expensive prices but we're ready to pay more to have wonderful specimens. That's the buyer's choice. Pierre Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ad ebay meteorites
This is controlling a market, not involving yourself in it. Cj And now please tell me why on earth this market needs control? And who will be the one in control? Why artificially give power to one ore a group of people? What would be wrong with the meteorite market as it is? Tell me. Nah. Let offer and demand determine the price. It works so perfectly well. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay meteorites
So, Adam, could you please help us in providing a list of labs, which are willing to classify most probably paired material or may the collectors send you samples for classification of questionable stones, which are said to be likely paired with your NWA numbers - that would be the easiest way, as your classificator has already material for comparing. Thanks, Martin I second that. I have some meteorites that would be nice to be classified, amongst them an IMB and some rather strange ones. Where can I do that, within reasonable time and maybe for a reasonable price? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
I beg to differ: Main Mass = biggest piece within TKW. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:38 PM To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites main mass my ass... to me the main mass of a particular meteorite fall/find is the biggest piece or meteorite that landed on earth that fateful day (whether it is still buried or not)...and until we can know for sure it has been found or not, a given fall's/find's main mass remains unknown...true main masses in collections are few and far between IMHO. main mass my ass(MMMA)...an over used word in this business. John -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I will say only one word,DHOFAR.On the main masses,you cannot go wrong.Nothing paired,no losses,only gain.You probably have some pairings on some of the lunars and mars specimens.But with the main masses,you will always win. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites
You forgot something, Martin: A lot of these dealers offer SUBSTANTIAL rebates if you ask for them :-) In so far the prices on the sites tend to be higher than they are. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:50 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites Hi list, a kind of price Catalogue can easily be compiled by each list member using PaulJim's dealers_list with more than hundred meteorite dealers/collectors: http://www.meteorite.com/dealer_list.htm Mail additionally to the offerors with broken links (or to those, who don't give prices on their websites) and search in google for sales sites not listed there, thus you will get at the end the assortment of 100-150 meteorite sellers, there aren't much more in web. Make a price list, with lowest, highest and average prices. Because of the broad dara base extreme prices will nivellate. It's a work of 1 week plus, but it will help you to save hundreds and thousands of bucks or vice versa your collection will grow faster than you could imagine. (Thomas Cave did a similar approach, unfortunately he used not enough dealers in my opinion and mixed his compilation with ebay prices.) Of course such a list does not reflect the quality of the specimens, small specks are remarkably more expensive than bulk specimens etc. but all in all it turned out for me to be extremely helpful in determinating trade values and in shut one's mouth, if someone has no ideas about pricing, but addresses to me in a offensive way, that my prices would be ways to expensive, as it's a special german attitude this year. Of course NWAs and desert meteorites may change in price very rapidely, especially such sensible material like Moon and others and in general most NWAs are dealt in US-ebay, but for classics with names such a list works perfectly. Ebay has not to be included, as there always happen accidents. A bad picture, a missing or wrong description, bad feedback, unconfortable payment methods, non-US-sellers and the result can be ridiculous low, as well as there are from time to time specimens horribly overpaid. Not to speak about the work to note all ebay results by hand without software. But, doesn't matter - in other collecting fields there won't be paid catalogue's prices neither and such a list gives you an excellent orientation. Just bid a fraction of the average price of a location and you will be on the save side. Also on fairs it will help you to haggle and to find some real bargains. (And you won't loose your face, as it happens, if you'll address to a dealer expressing undiscutable and ridicolous low price imaginations for a meteorite, you want to buy). Additionally you will get a sensation, which dealers in general are tending to ask high prices and which are all in all so cheap, that it's well worth to check their assortment frequently. And finally, if you are reselling meteorites to financiate your collection, you are able to estimate, which profit or loss is possible. When I started selling meteorites years ago, first I compiled such a list. Was very helpful (also I could see, what has sold best, when I made the list in the following years) in pricing to be competitive with others offerors. Unfortunately here in Germany the few collectors didn't get it, that I priced my material quite affordable and the Americans tend to buy somewhat more expensive at their home dealers as they often don't notice dealers from other countries, so that I finally would appreciate, if someone would compile such a list and would it put online, accessible for everyone. Perhaps I'll do so next year, at the moment I have no time. Cheers! Martin - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pelé Pierre-Marie' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: Ad ebay meteorites Yes, but what for? Everyone can check prices for meteorites with little effort using google - and having something like an half-official price list just opens the doors for fights between dealers. Everybody will want his own meteorites being priced higher and those of competitors lower. And you simply can't compare the meteorite market to the stamps or coins market. Totally different things. What should such a price list be for? The meteorite market is volatile (need I have to say Amgala?) and such a list will be obsolete for many meteorites within months. What are you trying to achieve? Hold prices up for moon and mars artificially? It just won't work. The maker of such a list will run into disputes he hasn't even dreamed of... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman
RE: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:meteorite-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McomeMeteorite Meteorite Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom again with this idiot? Yeah, I wonder, too. I thought he was banned from this list? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich - CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ATTENDANTS
This is my final lmail to the list, since I will leave Vienna tomorrow and add some days of leisure at my father's house in Upper Austria (no internet). I will arrive in Munich on Thursday afternoon. If you want to contact me for any reason, there are two ways to do that: 1) At my hotel: Hotel Ibis Muenchen Messe, Otto Lilienthal Ring 2, D-85622 Feldkirchen, Munich, Germany. Tel : (+49)89/939290 Fax : (+49)89/93929502 2) my cell phone (roaming fees apply for you and me) Tel: +43660/2112645 I will be on the show all three days. Bernhard Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Those silly questions
Thanks to all who took their time to answer my questions. I appreciate that. A last one: Am I right to assume that the theory of a large and later destroyed planet(oid) between Mars and Jupiter is now obsolete and replaced by the assumption that - due to orbital harmonics - the space between the two planets is the ideal waste dump for leftovers from the creation of the solar system? Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich get together
Martin, count me in for beer and talk (no umpah). Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. image001.jpg__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Photographing meteorites
Patience is a virtue :-). I am at work, not at home, so I can't share. Just wait for the evening... _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photographing meteorites I shopped around lately for a good and cheap digital camera to document my meteorites. My final choice was the Nikon Coolpix 3200. it has 3 megapixel (2048x1600), and you can take pictures as close as 4cm to the object. These two features together with the price (don't know for elsewhere, but here in Austria it was 199 including software, cables, rechargeable batteries and charger as well as a nice little bag for the camera) made the Nikon Coolpix my first choice. Just wanted to share my experience :-). == Just share nice photos, not experiences :) We waiting to see Your nice specimens -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Campos - your responses
I want to thank all the people that repsonded on my question about the stability of the new Campos. I have learned a lot, and I feel much more secure now shopping around for new campos. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. image001.jpg__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New campos - your expieriences?
Hi there, I am thinking about getting one of these new campos (3-8kg) form y collection. Now, Campost end to rust faster than the speed of light, and paying some hundred bucks for something that has disintegrated to brown powder within a year is nothing that makes me happy, really. What are your experiences with new campos? Whos a reliable seller for quality pieces (maybe even pieces that have been treated with some kind of rust prevention)? Please let me know. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. image001.jpg__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Numbering Meteorites
I have written my own Access application to keep records of my meteorites. They are numbered in order of their aquisition, with a prefix for my collection. A part of them is on exhibition, a part is stored away. Those pieces stored away are put into zipbags with the inventory number, the name and weight written on the bag, just in case the database gets corupted :-). Those pieces on exhibition are put into boxes, with a sticker on the bottom of the box displaying the inventory number and the name. A second sticker on the box shows the name of the item. For each and every meteorite I add to my collection, I keep records of Inventory number, Name, weight, if it is an individual, partslice, fragment and so on, the visual quality of the piece, that date of purchase, the seller, the price and which status the piece is in (purchased, paid, in exhibition, in depot, for sale, sold). In addition, I have a picture of every specimen in the database. The collection database is matched with a general meteorite database for class, geographical data and so on. Information overkill? Maybe, but this way I can see which pieces belong to certain class, where pieces are, what I have to ask for when selling and much more. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peanut .. Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Numbering Meteorites Hello All, Back in July, there were posts that touched base on numbering and organizing personal collections. At the time, I didn't have enough meteorites that would require the use of numbers. Well, that has changed. A number of ideas were presented and I was hoping to get a few more. Also Glenn Huss used a simple system of numbering consisting of the letter H (Huss?) and numbers. This is a good system. My question is, Would it be considered TABOO to adopt the same or similar numbering system, realizing it lacks originality, I just figure.. If it works? Also, Thanks for all that provided information on SAU001 and NWA 237 and to those who gave their opinions on my auctions. Thanks, Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Calculating a meteorite orbit
I think that books from Jean Meeus could serve you. They contain formulas to calculate orbits, planetary positions, eclipses, conjunctions and maybe calculations for meteorites as well. One thing to think about, though: the best you can say is where the meteorite entered the atmosphere, nothing more. Perturbances of the orbit are many with such a small body, and I would think that you cannot determine exact positions for more than a day or two back into the past. Even asteroids can't be calculated precisely with a formula for more than two or three orbits. After that, the miscalculations will be more than just a few arcseconds... _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pierre-Marie PELE Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Calculating a meteorite orbit Hello, I'm searching for an Excel program or a document explaining how to determine the orbit of a meteorite fallen on earth according to the fact that we know the impact point, trajectory, altitude and speed, pictures of the bolide. This technique of orbit calculation was used on Pribram, Lost City or Innisfree for example. I need your help ;-) Regards, Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could afford it...take a look 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!! http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG 91.4 grams ... $1275 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG 101.2 grams ... $1400 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo individuals! Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided Foreign shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Hell, I am talking about 1929, of course, not 2019 :-) _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:19 PM To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets
[meteorite-list] Asking for two small pieces
Hi there, I am in the process of compiling a collection of small (1-7g) partslices to show off the different classes of meteorites (not all, but the not too rare ones) to the public. I was able to feed this exhibition object from my own collection with 97 pieces/classes, but I am lacking of two classes (I do have meteorites from both, but both are 200+ grams). I am asking list members for a donation of small partslices of these classes: H4/5 (not rare at all, any NWA 869 will do) and H4/6 (the only one I know is SHIRS 010, and I just have a 363g end cut, but no small piece). The slices should be somewhere between 1 and 7 grams. If you dont want to part from them for free, I would be even willing to pay a reasonable price for them. Pleaxse contact me if you can help. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. image001.jpg__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Well, yes and no. Yes, because it would add to the documentation of a certain piece. No, because if you are a seller, you do not really want to disclose your source most of the times. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peanut .. Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories That is a fantastic idea! CJ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
FYI: when I send out an item to a customer, I always send out a preprinted info sheet which contains, amongst tips how to store and curate your meteorites, a paragraph about the importance of keeping records of them. Here's a (free) translation of this paragraph: Please keep a catalogue of your meteorites - nothing is more annoying than not to know which piece is which, where it comes from and what the significance of the specimen is. Number your meteorites in some way (adhesive stickers - or keep them in numbered boxes/bags), so they can always be associated with their data/history. It's for your own pleasure and safety, since a meteorite without the appropriate info is worth a lot less than a properly described specimen. Apart from that, it doesn't just loose value, it is lost for science as well. This info helps in two ways: it helps my customers to appreciate what they have got, and it helps them to understand that I care for what I sell (which could, in return for the info, help to turn them into return customers). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Great article! Yeah, Sure it happens, and it shouldn't! I don't see why institutions need to be so cagey, pretty well all institutions exchange material with dealers, it goes with the territory. And it's clear they all have their 'favorite dealers', but I am sure anyone that came to them with the right material would get let in the door. Bottom line - Any so called scientist that requests/grinds off labels to disguise important information should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves... Best, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 13:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Hi All, True story: Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all the specimens. Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all pieces. Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are coming from a large institutional collection where the specimens are individually numbered. Instead of chemically dissolving off the painted specimen numbers, Dealer A simply ground them off with a bench grinder because it was much faster. Why would the numbers be removed and the collection history prior to Dealer A hidden? It was by request of the institutional collection. The institutional collection wanted to keep the fact that they were releasing specimens from the other dealers and collector in order to avoid being bombarded by trade and purchase requests. I doubt that this story is an isolated incident. For your reading enjoyment, I have addressed collection history in my Acc retion Desk articles at The Meteorite Times. Here are a couple of them: Leaving a Paper Trail http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/Accretion_Desk.htm Lucky Numbers: Specimen Labels as License Plates from the Past http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Accretion_Desk.ht m Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
I'd say it's all a matter of integrity and honesty. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
What I do (I know it isn't a cure but will certainly help sometimes to keep track of the material I own): If I buy something, I record from whom I bought it. When I sell something, I record to whom I sell and add a letter to the sold piece, asking the new owner to keep a record about source and buyer (if he resells it) as well. I did so from the first piece I bought up to today. However, I do not pass on labels. I make my own when I resell. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:38 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
Now, here's my point of view. If NWA 1110 is paired with NWA 1068 (and thus should be paired with NWA 1183 as well), I think it is fraudulent to call anything else but these 118g NWA 1110. But wait. Nothing should be called NWA 1110 then. I think that NWA 1110 should have been called NWA 1068 and those 118g should have been added to the TKW of 1068. The damage with NWA numbers has been done already. Noone kept track of that stuff, right? One find may have been sold under 5-8 NWA numbers. And nobody knows for sure. Another example for this mess is NWA 984, right? Or NWA 904. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:29 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues Hello Mark and List, I am not arguing that all of these fragments may be paired and I am not saying that they did not all come from the same strewnfield. Read my emails more carefully. My problem with others using the NWA 1110 designation is that this number was reserved by us to cover an additional 118 grams (not a single gram more) and that this in the books, is official and final (no more can be added because it is a pairing). Every crumb officially and legally claimed to be NWA 1110 has been imaged, was authenticated by a scientist and submitted to the NomCom for approval. These other pieces being claimed under NWA 1110 have not been authenticated. I would say this makes them different. I assure you Mark this is no act, using proprietary data is nothing short of infringement. What is to stop a crooked or uninformed person from selling terrestrial pebbles as NWA 1110 if there are no standards? What if somebody published your cartoons without first getting your permission? What if they drew a lousy cartoon and claimed you drew it? Using an air abrasion tool to clean up Zag does not make it Amgala. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues Hello Adam and list, Adam wrote What you are doing is nothing short of fraud..Nelson's pieces are paired to NWA 1068. NWA 1110 is also paired to NWA 1068, as well. Pairing to a pairing is ridiculous, submit your own type sample, claim the extra weight and get your own number. Fraud? For selling the same meteorite under the same name? Adam you should take this weekly act of yours on the road. I can remember a couple months ago when you complained that Farmer was using the name Amgala, and if someone wants to look through the archives, they can find you complaining about people using multiple numbers on the same meteorite. I think you will find it hard to convince us that the same meteorite.should have a different name or number from every dealer, and that to do underwise is fraud. In my humble opinion, the same meteoriteis well, the same meteorite. And while I know it soulds a little funny, us calling the same meteorite, the same name, I really do think it could work. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] mid-summer meteorite sale, finally
Steve, are you kidding us? When the Summer sale was -50%, the NWA 408, for example, was $200. Now it is $250 with the -70%. And that's not the only one that became more expensive. And that's nothing that just happens - that's something done on purpose. It makes me a little bit angry, because I think that you are playing tricks on us. Bernhard This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] mid-summer meteorite sale, finally Good morning list.Today is the last day of my MID-SUMMER METEORITE sale.Today only till 9 pm chicago time,there are 15 items forsale.All are 70% off on what ever you see.Most items will come in riker boxes,but I'll have to ask you pay shipping for any item.Let me know!! steve arnold, chicago,USA!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered !
Philippe, Adam, Mail exchanges like this one are one of the reasons why I stay away from buying new falls within the first few months. Only when the dust has settled, I feel comfortable enough to aquire a piece of this and that. The second reason, of course, is that material from new falls becomes cheaper when the frenzy has calmed down. Look at Pak Forest, look at Zag and look at New Orleans, for example. The mail exchange shows me a second thing: commercialization of meteorites has risks, not only for the dealers, but for buyers as well. This is in no way an accusation of one person/group or another - just my thoughts on how rough this business has become lately. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of philippe thomas Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adam Hupe Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered ! Dear Adam and List Members, I can quite believe that the main mass of this meteorite is weighing over 2.5 kg (If its the case, I ask to everybody to excuse me for the title of my first message) but I have never heard about this piece and nobody has shown a picture of it. I know, of course, that this meteorite (Oum Dreyga/Amgala) is already being studied at NAU, but as it often arrives, this meteorite will be analysed by several laboratories. I think that this is a good thing and that the comparison of different studies is always rich in learnings. Its sure that it is an H chondrite, the exact type will be determinated by the analyses. I cant believe that a professionnal can confuse a L chondrite with a H chondrite and a weathering grade 2 with a weathering grade 0. There is a lot of swindles in this stuff, and perhaps the ill-intentioned people would like to sell Zag pieces for pieces of the new fall. But again, its seems to me really improbable to confuse them. Zag meteorite looks really special and is recognizable at the first glance. Even the pieces recovered three or four years ago dont have the sight of a meteorite which is on Earth since few months. The one who has had the fortune to handle some meteorites which fell on Earth few times ago, known the « mint » appearance of them. This appearance cant be confused with the ones which had been exposed to weathering for some times. I have had the occasion to handle a nice piece of Ben Sour recovered 15 months after the fall. This piece was already affected by the desert varnish. Best Regards, Philippe Dear Phillip and List, The main mass is larger than 2.5 kilograms and Amgala is currently being studied at NAU which should release results soon. Three different type specimens have been submitted and it looks like it will classify as an H3.8 rare Polymict Breccia with exotic clasts. Be careful about find location as we reported the strewn field was between Amgala and Oum Dreyga the very first post we made on the subject. An unrelated L5, W2 black chondrite find was being mixed in at first skewing the strewn field results. Also some Zag is reappearing and being sold as Amgala confusing the issue even more if that is possible. After looking at several pieces of Amgala and Zag it is easy to tell them apart. Zag has some extremely dark lithologies, the crust is different and is a regolith breccia. Hope this helps clear up some confusion, The Hupe Collection - Original Message - From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered ! Dear List Members, Our team has recovered from a soldier from Western Sahara an amazing oriented stone with flow lines (99% crusted) weighing a little bit more of one kilo. This stone seems to be the main mass of this fall. Michèle Bourot-Denise, from the MNHN of Paris) is actually analysing a sample of this fall but it appears clearly that this is an ordinary H chondrite. Some dealers are using as provisional name for this fall « Amgala », but the strewnfield is closer to Oum Dreyga. Amgala is 250km far away. You can see this piece of Oum Dreyga in my website www.meteoritica.com Best Wishes Philippe Thomas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: I am back
Well, for my part: I am happy to see you back. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:43 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: I am back Hello Everyone, Well.I guess I am back. I have to be honest, it is hard for me to get upsetand even harder for me to remain upset. Strange thing happened yesterday. I went out to eat with my mother and father. While this may not sound to strange, you should understand neither has spoken in 15 years and neither seemed to have any desire. They are now retirement age and my dad returned home last year, after doing aircraft contract work the last 10 years. My mother returned from the Philippines last year as well. Their dislike for each other had me organizing two Thanksgiving dinners and two Christmas dinners. Yet, yesterday they sat across the table beside each other, neither fighting for the empty seat besides me. Sometimes it takes a few days for someone to calm down, sometimes it takes 15 years I guess. I get a mass of meteorite e-mails from newbies and I try to answer them the best I can. From time to time I get referenced from someone I consider well-know ledgedand from at other times I get contacted by various organizations. Google seems to like my website and I sure that helps attract these e-mails as well. There are many list members that know a lot more then me, several have nicer collections then me and as a hunter, I have to be somewhere in the bottom tier. It is hard for me to consider myself an expert in a field I feel mostly overshadowed by my peers. So I am humbled by the responses I have gotten via e-mail from list members about our latest tiff. I am humbled my thoughts have any emotional effects on others. So, I am back, and I will try not to let repeat this last week. Not so much in self-censorship but more so in sending e-mails to the list. I understand now greater Mike Farmer's list fights. He is emotionally attached to meteorites, and his e-mails come from this emotion Perhaps I am more emotionally attached to these rocks then I realized. And while I never considered myself that great of a contributor to the list, it is quite clear from your e-mails (and phone calls) that many of you do. I ask that you forgive me for not keeping my typically cool head, and perhaps for making a small situation worse. I will try not to feed the ducks from now on, or let others make me a duck. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc image001.jpg
[meteorite-list] RE: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
I am not quite sure if you know what a theory is: it is a theory :-). Every theory is made up. Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. If the theory does that, one starts to accept it. I fit doesn't you drop it or rewrite it. And not every theory works on paper :-). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off! a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! One of my favorite retorts to manager-types when they come up with some brilliant new idea (which those of us that actually do the work know is doomed to fail) is: Theories always work on paper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Selling Tsarev
Title: Nachricht Hi, for those interested: I am selling off a nice 6.2g slice of Tsarev to the highest bidder (bid what you want to pay including sh). Nothing too spectacular, but before I waste it on Austrian ebay, I thought I'll try it here. If this is inappropriate for the list, please let me know and I will not repeat my mistake. Bernhard
[meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that "let's try my luck" won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht Mike Farmer pointed me to an error I made: It is Lake Havasu, of course. I'll learn it by heart when I go there from Austria this June *g* Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht
My
fault, I mispelled it :-)
Bernhard
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
FarmerSent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:19 PMTo: Bernhard
"Rendelius" Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
[meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day
for offers!
Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a
place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I thinkl the guy either cant
spell or doesnt know which state he is in.
Mike
- Original Message -
From:
Bernhard
"Rendelius" Rems
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:13
AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia
Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Greetings,
on behalf of the
finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted
meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake
Havalu).
Once again, here
is the pic of the meteorite:
http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg
A list member
asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me
these two pics:
http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg
http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg
I don't want to
tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when
offering something the way I do). All I can say that "let's try my luck"
won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome
and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do
not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet
*g*).
I close this
offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in
contact with the finder. Good luck!
Bernhard
[meteorite-list] New Find for sale - 8.35 pounds
Title: Nachricht Hi, first of all, please note that I am not the owner of the meteorite in question, just acting on behalf of him. Two weeks ago, someone near Franconia Wash found a meteorite on his property. The item weights 8.35 pounds, is remaglypted and shows nice crust. You can view it here: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg Om behalf of him, I am looking for a buyer for this meteorite. He has no idea of meteorites, really, so he put the things into my hands. They marked the spot where it was found and are able to give the buyer the exact GPS coordinates. If you are interested in aquiring this piece, please contact me with an offer. I will put the highest bidder (if there are reasonable bids, that is) in contact with the seller. Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] new NWA meteorite pieces forsale
Yeah, that was about my first reaction, too *g*: H5 for app. $50/g he must be kiddin J A picture would be helpful. Normally, if you know what you are buying, Steve is always good for a nice deal. I have nothing to complain about. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new NWA meteorite pieces forsale Good day Steve and All, The link to the website with the new NWA specimen doesn't appear to be working...at leastwith my browser. But, on another note, since whendid an NWA, H5 specimen, evenwith nice metal and slightly brecciated become a very inexpensive(ly) deal at a cost of as much as $50.00 per gram? (0.4 grams $20 1.2 cm). Perhaps I'd understand if I could access the photo of the 65.7 gram slice. Then again, maybe not. I wonder what I am missing here. Someone please educate me. Have a great day All, Best Regards, Paul Martyn In a message dated 3/18/2004 8:21:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good morning list.I have just aquired a 65.7 gram full slice of a brand new NWA piece.I also have 4 small pieces which I am offering to anyone who wants to buy them,very inexpensively. image001.jpg
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Bruno, Carine, I congratulate you for your courage to stand up against these silly allegations. I sincerely hope that this trial will end this stupid thing once and forever. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norbert Classen Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:50 PM To: meteorite-list Cc: La Memoire de la Terre Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism Hello Everybody, I'm forwarding this email on behalf of Bruno Carine who aren't able to get throught to the list directly. It contains important information, and I recommend everyone to read it since it's affecting most of us. Thanks. All the best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, as you all remind, the pelisson brothers tried to discredit all the meteoritic community by associating it to terrorists and al quaeda suppliers the 31 january (the opening day of Tucson show) We did bring them in court for defamation (a kind of felony), they already have been sentenced the 1st of March for that, they have a fine of 4200 Euros but we could take off only a few words in their pages as it was a referee, and express judgement due to urgency. (Official sentence paper is available by fax for who wants it) It's now several years that the Pelisson are trying to discredit all of us. This time it's really bad, they did use private and public emails of you guys! Dean Bessey, David Freeman, Michael Farmer, Bob Verish, Adam Greg Hupe, Labenne, Nelson Oakes and Habibi, as well as several very well known scientists. They are using parts out of context of your public and private communications to try to prove that we all are involved in an active islamic group ... we all know this is completly false and very close to delirium but they brought that as pieces for their defence in a public court in France. Now they are trying to have support of medias, they already sent press folder (witch is a full crap of 65 pages!) only two newspapers wrote on that. But the next step could be higher, they will say that we all finance drugs or worst They already said in a newspaper that ben Laden in person have been see in Morocco to organise personally the traffic !! This is too much, we all have to react or they will ruin the whole community image including the scientists as they declare to the judge that some of them are hiding traffics with al quaeda in exchange of money or rare samples. As we won the first part at the court of Lyon, now we are in a good position to bring them front of high justice, it should takes several months but they will be badly sentenced. This is a shame that such an interesting hobby involving origin of our Solar System, Earth and Life with so many scientifical works are now pointed as network funding horrible things. Please don't hesitate to react and say what you really think of these two people. Cheers from France, Bruno Carine www.meteorite.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
where you should be spewing your lefty crap So please keep your righty crap to yourself as well. Thank you. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan I heard a lot of complaining when the Hubble went up during the first Bush administration... mostly liberals wining that the money could have been better spent on free abortions or whatever. Does anyone seriously believe that science won't progress during an effort to inhabit the moon and, ultimately, get to Mars? I'm not the biggest fan of Dubya, but I refuse to check my brain in at the door and blindly join the Bush is bad... anyone else is good crowd. Besides, Randeee, this is a meteorite forum and one of a kind. Unlike the thousands of political forums out there where you should be spewing your lefty crap. --- On Thu 03/04, Randy aka Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Randy aka Randy Mils [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:10:09 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Chimp Space Plan http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20040304/sc_nm/space_bases_dc_2 FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! image001.jpg
RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?
Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. I have had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, and there was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Other than that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREAT deals amongst them *g*). Well, having said that - I don't understand him in some aspects. Having no pics with most of his auctions is pretty - well, strange, but that's up to him, I think. Some auctions are priced ridicoulosly high, others unbelievably low - again: this is up to him :-). I don't think that Steve is ripping others off on purpose, sometimes one COULD think that he doesn't really know what he does. But hey, there are only a few professional traders - Steve is, like me, just a collector, I'd say. If Steve made a mistake, I am sure he will react and correct it. As long as he does, everything's fine - don't you think so? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Freeman Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:22 PM To: Howard Wu; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? Dear All, I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices. I have no compassion for you. Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need? Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy should up his price to cover the box. I think there are a number of very good dealers out there that deserve your commerce more, would you like me to send you an off list list? Again, I offer no support for those that don't learn from others grief. Dave Freeman Howard Wu wrote: Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out. Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale. http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1satitle=gram+scaleso sortorder=1sosortproperty=3 http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1satitle=gram+scalesos ortorder=1sosortproperty=3 Howard Wu harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i too have heard that this should be avoided. From: Arizona Keith To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! , Subject: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 Hello List Avoid Steve Arnold of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. I just got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, but I never got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. He never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new auction do state this. Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595 Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a label stating that amount. I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted this ad. Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for there actions and statements or can the IMCA even help with this, he's did sell a meteorite, but did mislead bidders and did a bate and switch. And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly dealers using this, not protecting meteorite collectors, only dealers. Thanks again for your time. Keith V. The proudest Non-member of the IMCA. Chandler AZ- Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of them starting at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece of GIBEON.They are up for 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and bid very,very often. THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 1 month FREE! (Limited-time Offer) http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2734??PS= __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [meteorite-list] Market prices - was: Thauthe comments that were made earlier
Adam, Mike, list, Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't being able to buy and sell at a price you feel appropriate one of the benefits of the free market? And isn't making prices one of the no-no's? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Thauthe comments that were made earlier Hello Eric and List, I will not bring Thuathe up again as I was told a completely different field price was being paid by our supplier. I have no reason to doubt your word, Eric so I will leave this one alone. I was only responding to an email I thought was posted to the List earlier mentioning Thuathe. No hard feelings, just expressing what I believed to be true, Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts. Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces. After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we proceeded to destroy the market was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field and how we destroyed the market. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Dear Mike and List Members, This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the past. First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known collector asked for several kilograms at this
[meteorite-list] Help me solve a mystery - NWA mystery
Title: Nachricht Hi, app. 2 weeks ago, Steve Arnold (Illinois) sold a "mystery NWA" on ebay. This is the text that came with the auction (as often with Steve, no pic): "Up here for auction is a mystery.This is a 134.9 gram whole stone that has been cut by AL LANG.It is a unclassified NWA mystery stone.I had bob haag,richard norton,al lang,ed thompson,blaine reed, and a few others give thier opinion on what it might be.No one knows.It has a very rich dark brown matrix.Very few or none at all with chondrules.High in metal, but it pulls very weakly even with a strong magnet.You can be the lucky winner of this mystery stone and you can try and get it classified.It measures 6.5 cm x 5.2 cm x 3.8 cm.I will start the bidding at $1.00. Good luck." Well, I bidded and won the item. Today it arrived. I had a closer look at it, took some photographs and am looking for your expertise now. Let me describe the tactile impressions: The item is feels pretty cold when you hold it, and it has about the right weight for a meteorite of this size. However: the outside feels quite "soft", more like an ordinary stone than a meteorite, like a pebble that has been in the water. There is indeed a lot of metal visible from the outside, but on the cut surface, the deeper you go inside, the less metal you find. A close examination with a 10x magnification showed no chondrules at all, at least for me. Here are three photos of the object (they are quite large in order to reveal more details). I have brightened the photos and added some contrast and some mild sharpening, but I'd say they are true to the visual appearance of the object: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery2.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery3.jpg So - what's your impression? Is it a meteorite at all? What is it? Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Advanced Warning
Nels, what makes you think that meteorites are falling more frequently? Could it be that, due to better communication and denser population, they are OBSERVED more frequently? I havent seen any indication that actually the falls are increasing. Have you? Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nelson oakes Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Advanced Warning Dear List, I've been saying for years now that the amount of meteorites falling is increasing drastically. Never-the-less it worries me that some hope for it to strike somewhere(where they arent). What's happening to a society that thinks like this? Nels image001.jpg
[meteorite-list] It is ridiculous now.
Title: Nachricht Someone from the US just HAS to report this seller to ebay: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2227843817category=3239 Bernhard
[meteorite-list] RE: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Website still down
Title: Nachricht As I said before: I offer free hosting to the IMCA website on my dedicated server, the same that runs the Worldofmeteorites website. Someone just has to take advantage of that and contac me. Bernhard -Original Message-From: magellon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:41 PMTo: MARK BOSTICKCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Website still downThere has been much more work at getting the site back up as there was getting it going in the first place. If so, why is it not back up? All I can say, and I'm sure Rhett will agree, is do NOT chose Yahoo as a web site provider. The next few days should prove very crucial. I'm sure you'll be hearing some news soon. Best, ken MARK BOSTICK wrote: Any work at getting the IMCA website back up?Mark Bostickwww.meteoritearticles.com
RE: [meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake
I already reported this seller to ebay and I suggest you do the same. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:02 PM To: M come Meteorite Meteorites; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake Hi Matteo and list, He or her uses the same CAI-picture for all three Allendes, the pictures are dark, but it's visible that the stones are angular fragments with rounded edges from weathering, they have no fusion crust and are looking like W3+ desert stones with no similarities to Allende. Thus, the DaG 476 was not a slip, a fraudulent intention is most probable. I got no response from this seller. Martin A. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] From the same dealer of the DaG 476 fake Look this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2225004641category=3 239 Allendefor me no, easy find rocks with the same condrules of Allende... Matteo _ MSN Search: la risposta alle tue ricerche online http://search.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Out out, damned spot!
Title: Nachricht With all due respect and understanding for the frustration that befalls everybody when dealing with Matteo and his behaviour: I think that this t-shirt takes it one step too far. Making this case public in this way is a little bit like mobbing, and I think that one should stay away from that. Not that I think the shirt isn't funny, but the shirt isn't funny anymore. ... if you know what I mean. Just my 2c. Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy MilsSent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Out out, damned spot! Here is a photo of one of the shirts: http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2004matto1.jpg Take a hint and get lost Matt, Matteo or whoever your next alias may be. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Out out, damned spot! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:26:47 EST List, This was Matteo's response to me... "I use what name I want. Sure I not see who have the same my name I use from years in my 3th account on mailing list. gne gne gne" Moderator: Please remove this moron again.Matteo, as your last potential customer on this list, I assure you that I will never buy from you again.You now have no reason to be on this list.Your tedious, sad life of reviewing Ebay auctions to keep the world safe from meteoritic misrepresentation pales in comparison to your complete lack of significance in the meteorite world.You are the laughingstock of the meteorite community...in fact, many people made up T-shirts in Tucson with your picture on the front to make fun of you and your stupidity.Instead of focusing on bringing "new Italian NWA meteorites" to the world and harassing members of this list, why don't you devote all your attention to your day pizza delivery job and your night job as towel boy at the local bath house..gne, gne, gne Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
It's funny to see WHO has placed a bid on that :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weir Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:25 PM To: Martin Altmann Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay.. Hi Martin, The text used for this auction was taken from my website without my permission. This fact, together with the fact that it looks nothing like DaG 476 and that the seller has zero feedback, would make me not bid on this item under any circumstances. Buy from a reputable dealer. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Suggest Comet To Blame for 6th-Century 'Nuclear Winter'
I mean, do they offer some PROOF for their theory? A plume is nothing that would have gone unobserved by the eye (left alone a comet exploding in the sky) - and as much as I know, the mini ice age at that time wasn't a global occurence, but rather a european one - at least to my knowledge. There has been a second mini ice age around 1500 in Europe, and this is either attributed to the Maraunder solar minimum or the change of the gulf stream. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:39 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Suggest Comet To Blame for 6th-Century 'Nuclear Winter' Contact: Dr Derek Ward-Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 029-2087-5314 Cardiff University February 3, 2004 Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages Undergraduates' work blames comet for 6th-century nuclear winter Scientists at Cardiff University, UK, believe they have discovered the cause of crop failures and summer frosts some 1,500 years ago - a comet colliding with Earth. The team has been studying evidence from tree rings, which suggests that the Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540 AD, indicating an effect rather like a nuclear winter. The scientists in the School of Physics and Astronomy believe this was caused by a comet hitting the earth and exploding in the upper atmosphere. The debris from this giant explosion was such that it enveloped the earth in soot and ash, blocking out the sunlight and causing the very cold weather. This effect is known as a plume and is similar to that which was seen when comet Shoemaker-Levy-9 hit Jupiter in 1995. Historical references from this period - known as the Dark Ages - are sparse, but what records there are, tell of crop failures and summer frosts. The work was carried out by two Cardiff undergraduate students, Emma Rigby and Mel Symonds, as part of their student project work under the supervision of Dr Derek Ward-Thompson. Their findings are reported in the February issue of Astronomy and Geophysics, the in-house magazine of the Royal Astronomical Society. The surprising result of the new work is just how small a comet is needed to cause such dramatic effects. The scientists calculate that a comet not much more than half a kilometre across could cause a global nuclear winter effect. This is significantly smaller than was previously thought. Dr. Ward-Thompson said: One of the exciting aspects of this work is that we have re-classified the size of comet that represents a global threat. This work shows that even a comet of only half a kilometre in size could have global consequences. Previously nothing less than a kilometre across was counted as a global threat. If such an event happened again today, then once again a large fraction of the earth's population could face starvation. The comet impact caused crop failures and wide-spread starvation among the sixth century population. The timing coincides with the Justinian Plague, widely believed to be the first appearance of the Black Death in Europe. It is possible that the plague was so rampant and took hold so quickly because the population was already weakened by starvation. ### __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Title: Nachricht Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized" here? Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard Roland Pelisson
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Title: Nachricht Let me elaborate a little on why I think this is a rather silly accusation and - most of all - rather humiliating to the people of the Mahgreb, where those meteorites are found: First of all: the quotations about militant groups from Algeria are TOTALLY taken out of context. Further on - the quote that theborder between Morocco and Algeria has been officiallyclosed in 1994 misses to say that "in reality, very little people care about that, mostly becauseof geographical circumstances". Next: there is NO known militant islamic group operating out of Libya, so these allegations are without foundation. You are right that there won't be "thousands of beduines" on the strewnfields - but what does it prove? In my opinion, it only provesthat - well, less people are needed for that job. Beduines are no fools or "primitives", their hunts are pretty well organized. I don'tdoubt you may have good intentions with this page (although some not so good intentions can be imagined for such a campaign as well) - but if you know the region a little, and if you know the people a little there,this page is something VERY objectionable - at least for me. In fact, I feel angered by what you are doing. It might and will impress some folks, but I am sure I am not alone when I say that this page is highly speculative and - if read by the wrong persons - can do a LOT of harm. Regards, Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard "Rendelius" RemsSent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized" here? Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard Roland Pelisson
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933
Not in all. Only in those with struck fairies :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933 now all people seen Matteo in the all posts From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:41:04 -0700 Matt River wrote: Any of you have look Dhofar 008 Have many + chondrules. Look the piece in the Comet Shop site http://www.meteorites21.com/dhofar08.htm I have a fantastic slice in my collection and is full of multicolor chondrules. Whatever you say Matt(eo). _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1755 - inclusion
Title: Nachricht Remember we talked about an inclusion I saw in a meteorite I aquired? I promised to take a phot of it once I have it, and here it is: http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php?id=nwa1755op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php Some additional info: I tried if it is abrasive with paper, but it isn't. It lies within a heavy brecciated zone of this stone. Well, photo tells it all :-) Opinions? Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 1755 - inclusion (LINK CORRECTION)
Title: Nachricht Sorry, link didn't work, try this one: http://www.viennamet.com/ebay/nwa1755.jpg Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard "Rendelius" RemsSent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1755 - inclusion Remember we talked about an inclusion I saw in a meteorite I aquired? I promised to take a phot of it once I have it, and here it is: http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php?id=nwa1755op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php Some additional info: I tried if it is abrasive with paper, but it isn't. It lies within a heavy brecciated zone of this stone. Well, photo tells it all :-) Opinions? Bernhard
[meteorite-list] Wow - Look at this pic from Meridiani Planum
Title: Nachricht http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/001/1N128285132EDNP1500R0M1.JPG A feature most extraordinaire... Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems
RE: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars
I find this picture of special interest: http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_v.jpg I am just a layman interpreting this picture, but what else than water or a liquid could have created this river like structure? Bernhard . -Original Message- From: mark ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:34 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars Mars water found, more here : http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html -Original Message- From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2004 12:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars Just a quick note that Mars Express has detected and verified frozen water on the mars south pole. Which is in my opinion the most important discovery of spaceflight so far. Bernhard The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.
RE: [meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition
Hehe. Personally, I think that this reboot-loop is caused by a short-circuit somewhere. BTW - one of the astonishing findings of ESA is that Mars seems to be much warmer than thought. They expected -120°C to -30°C, but instead they found the temperature is +4°C. Don't know where this temperature was encountered, but if it's true, it seems that we have a LOT to learn about Mars (and that conditions are more favorable to former (or existing?) life than thought. I read somewhere that the orbit of Mars is much more changing over time than that of earth, and that Mars could have been much warmer a long time ago because of that. Hell, I wish I could be born in 20 years from now :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:25 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition I have two theories, Spirit was hit my a meteorite, although a small target on a big planet, it is more likely than the next theories, Spriit was attacked by Martians! Or maybe Spirit was attacked by Martians with meteorites. :-) Ron __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium
Because he is a scientist *g*. They are always right :-). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium There are already track and brightness data? Or how could the ESA-man predict, that the meteorite will have a size of 10 - 50cm? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Seen From Germany, Belgium http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19story_i d=3903 Great balls of fire, its a meteorite! expatica.com (Holland) 22 January 2004 AMSTERDAM - A large number of star gazers claim to have seen a large fireball shoot through cloud cover on Wednesday night in what experts believe was a meteorite falling to earth. The Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) said the fireball probably took place somewhere above the Belgian-German border in Wallonia. It was seen in Limburg, eastern Belgium and Germany, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The Leiden-based DMS also said the fireball was most probably due to a meteorite and ruled out the possibility that it was a broken fragment of a satellite or a rocket. A society spokesman based the claim on information supplied by US aerospace agency Nasa. But a lack of hard and fast facts regarding the fireball means it is difficult to determine if fragments fell to earth. It is assumed that the meteorite burned up in the earth's atmosphere before hitting the ground. Dozens of sightings were lodged with star watch association Exploirion, based in the southern Dutch city of Heerlen, Besides sightings in Limburg, Belgium, Germany and even residents of the northern Dutch city of Groningen said they saw the spectacle. Meteorites usually burn up in the earth's atmosphere and Wednesday night's fireball was created about 60 to 100km above the earth's surface. German news agency DPA said the rock probably did not hit the earth's surface. A researcher with the European Space Agency (ESA) in Darmstadt, Germany, said the meteorite would have been about 10cm to 50cm in size. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about ...
I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite what the hell is this? Bernhard
[meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Title: Nachricht http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems
RE: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
What is he trying to tell us? All I can read in his last two posts is some unprovoked bashing of americans, calling them cheaters and liars? Matteo, just for the records: I asked this question about the spanish meteorite-find just because I wanted some opinions. Excuse me, but your reactions are sick and sicken me. BTW - I asked the seller for the promised picture of the certificate. No reaction so far after 12 hours. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:03 PM To: David Freeman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3 239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category= 3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL
RE: [meteorite-list] European Labs and IMCA vital signs
If the IMCA needs a new host, I will happily offer them webspace on my box. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] European Labs and IMCA vital signs Dear List-members - 1.Are there any labs, museums or Universities in Europe presently examining alleged meteorites simply for authenticity, NOT classification, and subsequently returning the true-or-false specimen without a charge for the service? 2. The website for the IMCA (International Meteorite Collectors Assoc.) is apparently down. Is this group still functioning as an organization? If so, do they have meetings, by-laws and elected (or appointed) Board members? Danke, yak shimosh, merci y gracias, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Moon Meteorite on ebay
Greetings, just wanted to let you know that I have a 30mg DaG 400 up for sale on ebay. WAIT!!! J Before you say how dull please have a look at it. Yes, it is just 30mg, but it offers the maximum surface possible for that weight, because it is beautifully cut. No crumb, no fragment. And it starts (well, started) with just 1. Description is in german, but hey, the pictures say it all J. Heres the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3268033907 Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 30xx !!! Where is NWA 2xxx ??????
There are several NWA's in the 2000 range I am aware of. I own a 2051, for example. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PolandMET.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 30xx !!! Where is NWA 2xxx ?? Hello From some time I see that f.e. on eBay is offered new NWA with numbers higher than 3000. I'm astonished, becouse I not see for now any NWA with number bigger than 2000 (or maybe 2100), so where is that 1000 NWA numbers ? I suppose that many, many meteorites are still in labs in classification, but in this case they do not have reserved any NWA numbers. Someone can explain this ? Thanks -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Nantan at $4.42g??? The world is ending!
I dare to bet that 7 years from now, this will be quite a normal price.
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Hello List, what's going on here, a regular 7g Nantan selling for $31 I
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[meteorite-list] NWA 3045 fot trade
Title: Nachricht Greetings, I have a few small and 100% crusted individuals from the newly classified NWA 3045 for trade (see www.worldofmeteorites.com for the classification news). These are exceptionally beautiful individuals, and I can put up photos if youwant. I am open to suggestions regarding the trade, This is not your average NWA chondrite, but extremely beautiful stuff :-). Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Latest Spirit Picture - FAB
Incredible. Wow!!! _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Latest Spirit Picture - FAB The Latest Mars Panorama has just been posted and it is superb!! You've got to see this! http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040112a/mspan_2X_f inal-A10R1.jpg Main Page: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html MF The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 3045 - three little black beauties
Title: Nachricht Thanks for all the inquiries about my NWA 3045. Many people asked me to put up photos of these little black beauties, and here they are: http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album11id=nwa3045lbbop=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php NWA 3045, H6 S4 W0. TKW 2400g - most of it in small stones. Three stones: 3.34g, 4.6g, 5.97g - 100% black crust (4.6g has a tiny little speck without crust). I will be trading two of them. I have some more, but some of them I will keep, some will go up for auction later. Don't ask me how much they are - if I would want to sell them, they would have a price tag. I want to trade. You come up with whatever you'd like to give in exchange and you feel appropriate for the trade. That's a lot more fun than selling for both parties :-). Regards, Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Red Inclusions?
Don't bash me, but to my knowledge the most likely candidate for a red inclusion is: rust. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Red Inclusions? Hello List, What are some of the candidates for red inclusions in a meteorite? I have an NWA that's very strange and it has one tiny little inclusion that is very red, almost looks like a spot of blood? (it's not blood) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2
This is a layman's answer: A comet only looses substantial matter when close(r) to the sun. So yes, after some time he disintegrates, but this can take a long time, especially when he's big. Some comets' orbits are even disturbed in a way that they drop into the sun - they are gone then, naturally. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:25 AM To: Sterling K. Webb Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2 Hi all, I know I should research this myself but I hope I can get a relatively brief answer upon which I can look further into this question if deemed worthwhile. How does a small object like a comet, especially, travel for billions of years constantly venting and releasing matter continue to exist? Why doesn't it dissipate into virtual nothingness? Bill Kieskowski Hi, I was fascinated by the first flyby image that was released (the one featured on APOD). Despite its generally fuzzy appearance, there is a lot of detail buried in there that I hope we'll get to see when the wizards are through massaging the images for detail and content. I took a copy of that image and squeezed it as hard as I could. I doubled the spacing of all the pixels and filled in the intermediate spaces with eight-way median values, twiddled with its histogram to re-distribute the greyscale values to a more normal distribution, then stomped all over it with a square sharpness filter. I found that is LOTS of detail there, although my ham-handed efforts left some messy artifacts. For example, the crater-like circular features do not have uniformly shaded bottoms. They're not smooth (nor flat I would guess), but usually show a single deep dark conoid pit that's probably a large primary vent for outgassing. The walls of these crater-like features show some linear features, as if the depressions had formed by a slump-like collapse, perhaps from the rapid removal of material from beneath the slump by outgassing. Lots of tantalizing features not quite sharp enough to interpret. I'm left with the impression of a surface with lots of varying contours. Many of the smaller high contrast features seem to be albedo-related, as if between light and dark materials, perhaps at smaller un-slumped vents. If anyone's interested, you can view this roughly enhanced image at: http://www.bhil.com/~kelly/wild2.html. Sterling K. Webb --- Ron Baalke wrote: I've added an animation of the Comet Wild 2 flyby images taken by Stardust to the Stardust website. Included is a chart from the Dust Flux Instrument showing the particle impacts on the spacecraft during the flyby, and another chart showing the spacecraft thruster activity: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/status/040106.html You can view the animation directly from here: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/images/w2_flyby1.gif Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Fun
Hehe, I like my Zippy-egghead look :-) Nice. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Fun it is looked at that sure Americans personages, even if ultra forty year periods, still amuse themselves with these childish actions, like Mr. Blood. Poor mans.. however also this site soon go clear,ah... look here http://it.geocities.com/idiotproudtom/ its fantastic Matteo si vede che certi personaggi americani, anche se ultra quarantenni, si divertono ancora con queste bambinate, come il Mr. Blood. Poveretti.. comunque anche questo sito tra poco sparirà,ahdate un occhio qui --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Still haven't heard back from Proud Tom on the interview questions, but you can still see his latest exploits at: http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom4/index.html Hope to hear back from him and present an interview in the very near future. Best wishes, Michael -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Inclusion
Hi, I bought a NWA today, mainly because it has a rather strange inclusion. Here's a pic: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/inclusion.jpg Any idea what this could be? Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] marines
With all due respect for the people serving in the US army: Most of them, I believe, do not join the marines because they want to sacrifice their life for the cause of the USA (what's it anyway?), but because it's about the only chance for the underprivileged to get something like social security, education and medical care. There's no need to glorify their service, as little as there is need to ridicule it. Just my 2c _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] marines For alot of years alot of good people have given thier lives to help keep our great nation going.They did it because they believed in the cause of the USA.I never served in any of the armed forces because I could not.I have a hearing problem in my left ear classifying me 4F.Medically diqualifying me.I am totally deaf in my left ear.And you know I really wanted go and serve my country.But instead of getting all upset, I just did what I could to help out where ever I could.I am really proud of all men and women who have served and are currently serving all over the world.My heart also goes out to the poor 19 ITALIAN soldiers who died for thier country.We are all the same underneath.The only thing that seperates us from each other is a border and our prejidous.And to me the latter has no place on any world, no matter where you are.Matteo please do not make fun of any branch of the service.For people who volunteer and are ready to give thier lives for our country or any country, to me they are the real heros.I fully support all our service people wherever they are .And I continue to volunteer where they need me.To make fun of any service people is a direct BLOW beneath the belt.All hail the armed forces of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and god bless them all and come home safe!!! steve arnold, chicago, illinois,usa and proud of it!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Marines
Title: Nachricht Since I have received a lot of mails: Please reread what I have written: I never doubted the honor of members of the marines. I didn't call them names, I didn't ridicule them. All I wanted to say is that nothing makes you heroic just because you join the marines. You have to earn honor by your deeds, you don't receive it with a uniform. This might be a rather "european point of view", but it's just that I do not like stereotypes, no matter from which side they come. If I offended someone on this list with my words, I apologize. I thought my point of view was rather balanced and brought forward with respect. If you felt different, you may consider that english isn't my primary language. Once again: I didn't want to offend someone. Bernhard
[meteorite-list] Inclusion: Silly me :-)
Title: Nachricht Oh god, never ask questions 5 minutes after you got up and spontaneously bought something on ebay *g* http://metcollector.rendelius.com/inclusion.jpg I bought this meteorite from Michael Cottingham today, and he still has it in his hands, of course - so I better ask him :-) Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] marines Matteo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Comcast Mail Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:43 PM To: Meteorite list; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] marines Matteo And besides that everyone in the world knows we are the strongest military power. - Yes, and that means what? Please tell me that this doesn't turn into a dicks of steel-thread :-) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite slices
I can confirm that. His slices are extremely beautiful, and he polishes even unclassified NWA stuff. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PolandMET.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite slices Yes, this take alot of time, You must have professional equipment and also You get another weight loses on specimen. But finish effect is usualy good and Your slices looks beautifull. And becouse I alvays polish my slices to mirror quality from 2 sides. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] Dear listies, what do you think about meteorite slices showing still the marks of the saw blade, giving you even the opportunity to calculate the saw blade's diameter? Alas, times of mirror-finished slices sold by dealers like David New seem to be gone. A proposal to dealers: Sell your slices or partslices a-quality: polished surface b-quality: sawed surface. Most meteorite collectors don't have grinding or polishing tools and are collecting meteorites also for the aesthetics of a mirror-finished surface showing fine details. A partslice showing saw marks is something very ugly. Some collectors seem to sublimate this ugliness by the thrill to held something extraterrestrial in their hands and are not demanding for a quality finished surface. My 2 (Euro)cents, Guy Heinen __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] orientated?
Hard to tell from the pic, really, but it could be orientated, yes. But without a better pic, no way to tell, really. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] orientated? Hello List, Is this an example of what some of you say about orientated meteorites, that they need to give us some idea of why they think it is oriented? Shape alone does not mean a thing, does it? Don't you need flow lines or a roll over rim or something? I do not believe this one is orientated. What do you all think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2214206165 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New fall in Spain?
Title: Nachricht Anyone heard about the bolides seen in Spain? The only report I have is that hundreds of people across the country have seen them... Bernhard
[meteorite-list] RE: [meteorite_sale] Shergotty on ebay
Title: Nachricht Hour I open my mouth, Matteo. Of course you may sell your material for prices as irreal as you like. No problem with that. And if you get more for something than it is worth in the market, congratulations. The problem is another one: by stating that Shergotty sells for $16.000/g you may TRICK some newcomer into buying your stuff. That's not honest, and that's bad conduct in my opinion. Just my 2c. Bernhard -Original Message-From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:58 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite_sale] Shergotty on ebayI sale material for what price I want, second thismaterial is not my and the price it is not decidedfrom me, if it were for me Shergotty would remain to$5000/gr. Third, what to you that it interests, younot have to acquire it, do not preoccupy yourselvesthat I have already who to sell it. And hour you closethe mouth for all once.Matteo--- Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "This is a gr.0.2 fragment of this meteorite." Starting bid: US $500.00 USD 500 for 0.2 g means USD 2.500 for a 1gram...just a detail, but if someone is willing to sell a 5 gram piece of Shergotty in price USD 500, please, contact me off the list...;- have a succesfull 2004 all, pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have put my collection piece of Orissa on ebay Speaking of mcomemeteorites and ebay, I wonder if you could answer two questions about your recent Shergotty piece up for auction: a few days ago I had asked you on the list to clarify your statement (also on the list(s) and in the auction), that "Normaly Shergotty its sold for $16,000/gr." I had questioned where Shergotty is being sold for $16,000/gram; perhaps your reply to me got lost in the mail. ;-) Also, if Shergotty is indeed "normaly" sold for $16,000/gram, why do you suppose that the piece you listed as Shergotty below, got zero bids, and went unsold at $100/gram? Asking these questions calmly and politely, hoping your answers will be the same. Thanks, Matteo. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2214359317 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2214359317 Gregory To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] posting a request to the list will NOT work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteorite_sale/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ .-- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =M come Meteorite - Matteo ChinellatoVia Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALYEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.infoInternational Meteorite Collectors Association #2140MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/__Do you Yahoo!?Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuardhttp://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfreeTo unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] posting a request to the list will NOT work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteorite_sale/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[meteorite-list] Since last mail was lost...
The last mail was eaten by a cyberspace monster - so here it is once again: Dear list members, a happy New Year to all of you - and may this one be a peaceful and prosperous one. This mail is to inform you that I now have my complete collection online here: http://www.viennamet.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album01op=modloadna me=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.php It took my app. 3 days to photograph, upload and describe all 249 items that I have collected so far (remember, I am still a beginner with less than 7 months history in collecting, so don't expect a expensive and very complete collection). You might even find some pieces I bought from you :-). Enjoy :-) Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Looking for Frederic Beroud
Yeah, NWA 1929 is VERY nice. I have a small slice of this recrystalized howardite, and you can see a photo here: http://www.viennamet.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album01id=nwa1929op =modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_photo.php The amazing thing is the matrix. Although the partslice is just 1.13g, it looks like it is three meteorites in one (and the photo doesn't even do justice to the REAL beauty of this small piece). Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Frederic Beroud Hi all, Sorry to disturb the list to contact a private party, but I have a very nice potential submission by Frederic Beroud of the web site known as Meteoriteshow.com. However, all attempts to contact him at the email address on his own email and posted on the IMCA list are kicked back. Anyone know how to reach this fellow? (his IMCA # is 2491). Again, apologies to list members. PS: I will have some very interesting specimens to see already in my on line catalog shortly, including a HUGE super 12 Kg museum quality full slice of the highly brechiated Rio Limay, a beautiful full slice of a relatively new and spectacular Howardite, NWA 1929, ETC. Best wishes, Michael -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A Warning
*yawn* Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:43 PM To: Meteorite Collectors; Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] A Warning I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that to stop to pass the messages post in my group to varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the group between little I will know who is seen that I have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the data of who have put the images. A time for all, you did the cabbages yours ( italian expression ) Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] World of Meteorites - Status Report
Title: Nachricht Thanks, Mark, for your kind words. The site is growing nicely - for example, we now have 210+ different meteorites with pictures and descriptions in the Virtual Meteorite Museum (and I, for my part, have 100+ to add which aren't in there yet), and I think it's already a valuable visual resoruce for meteorite collectors. Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICKSent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:47 AMTo: BasilicofrescoCc: Meteorite ListSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] World of Meteorites - Status Report Hello Dave and list, I managed to get registered the other day and linked my website as well as some Glorieta Mountain strewnfield photographs. I put a couple of the photos in my article in this months Meteorite Times...but I thought some of you might be interested in seeing more rocks and canyons:-) I think World of Meteorites is going to be a great asset to the community and I urge everyone to support the site through it's various functions. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com
[meteorite-list] World of Meteorites - Status Report
Title: Nachricht This is the second last time I bother you with my project :-) We are nearly feature complete and ready for an official launch on 01/01/2004. This is what I can offer to the meteorite community (to be precise: what I can offer for the meteorite community to do themselves there): Announcements of ebay auctions and site sales News about classification and meteorites in general a forum for discussions a place where you can show off your collection a meteorite museum (it already has 140 entries) visual reports from expeditions (4 there already) visual reports from meteorite shows (2 online now) a gallery of meteowrongs banner advertising for meteorite sellers a calendar of events links to meteorite sites a place to post articles What will be added within the next few days: I will offer hosting for meteorite related sites, including installation of the gallery program we use A possibility to upload your collection catalogues and to share them with others So far, we have 59 members (membership is free) and app. 10.000 pageviews - it seems this portal is well accepted. What I am asking you for now: If you have a site, please place a link to http://www.worldofmeteorites.com on it. It will help us to get better rankings on search engines and in directories. If everything works out nicely, WoMet will do two things for you: bring more people to this great hobby and drive your sales and your ability to collect and exchange meteorites. It is nothing I do, because I only give you the tools (and you will notice that I do not, in any way, advertise my own sales there- it is NOT my site, it's yours and ours). It will be something You do. Ah, yes, and I am having GREAT fun doing all this :-) Bernhard
[meteorite-list] The ebay free day and the consequences
Title: Nachricht Hi there, ebay US had a day yesterday where people could put up things for free (no fees for putting things online). A lot of new meteorites were put up for sale - and the interesting thing is that most sellers (hello Mike *g*) tried something new: they put things up for prices you'd expect to see as end prices of the auction, or even above that. I am rather curious as to how this will work out. For my part, there are only two or three meteorites I would be interested in at the prices given, so success with me will be minimal *g* - but I can imagine that going out with prices higher than $0.01 is a good thing to try out, at least when failure will cost nothing. Interesting days ahead, at least for me :-) Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] auctions running
Hi Steve, Just a quick question: why don't you add photos of the items to the auctions? It would certainly help to attract bidders - at least it would attract me :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] auctions running Good morning list.Just a reminder that I have 9 auctions running till sunday afternoon.6 of them are fragments of my new nevada find.Also a 100% fusion crusted piece of NWA xxx.All are low bids with no bids so you might be able to steal something.Good luck to all! steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World of Meteorites - A Christmas Present
Title: Nachricht Hi :-) First of all: thank you to all who have already become a user at www.worldofmeteorites.com. I am still adding features to this portal, and one of it is my christmas present to you. I just opened the "Virtual Meteorite Museum" there. This is a gallery for meteorite pictures. But this one isn't just for looking. This one is for you :-) There are three sections: The Museum itself, the Field pics section and the personal section. Let me talk about the personal section first: In this section, you can create a folder for your private collection pics and then upload pictures to it. This is VERY easy, just via the web, and you can add comments to the pics as well as a caption. The folder can only be modified by you, so you can add, delete, change and do things as you like. And you can show off your collection to the world :-). The same is true for the field pics section: create a folder and upload pics from your expedition. The biggest part should be the Virtual Meteorite Museum. If you have a beautiful specimen, post it there. Over the time, we should be able to gather a lot of nice pics and this will really become a virtual museum. There is a naming convention I ask you to stick to: The Caption contains the Name of the item and its size, for example "NWA 812, 1,25g". The description should contain (in this order): Classification, date of fall/find, location of fall/find, TKW, additional info. If we stick to this convention, it will be very easy to browse the museum (people can search the museum by entering the name of the meteorite). This is all for free :-). I give you the tools, you add content :-). One more thing: look at thenewsbits I have posted on the site so far. These are examples, and you can do the same. You can announce your ebay auctions. You can post new classification data, you can post something about a new fall - whatever you like. Just use the "submit news" link and type away. Don't be afraid, I will edit the stories in the beginning if necessary. The nice thing about worldofmeteorites is that members can use the site as it were theirs. I firmly believe this portal will be a great tool for us, and I invite you to use it to your advantage. Thanks and have a nice day. Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] What did you get?
Title: Nachricht No stone, no. But some money to spend on stones, and a unbelievably nice roman bronze ring from the 3rd century in mint condition (the most beautiful I have ever seen). Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 3:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] What did you get?Merry Christmas list members!! Anyone get a rock?Regards,Michael JohnsonSPACE ROCKS, INC.932 Hanging Rock RoadBoiling Springs, South Carolina29316-7401USATel: 1-864-578-5188http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.htmlI.M.C.A.#5184
[meteorite-list] Merry Christmas from Bernhard
Title: Nachricht To all fellow collectors out there: Merry Christmas and peace for all mankind. May the next meteorite a) fall on your property b) be from Mars and c) be the firm prove for live on our neighbour planet :-) Happy holidays! Bernhard
