[meteorite-list] Regarding Pakepake 005 (Lunar Fragmental Breccia)

2024-02-21 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
I classified this 44 gram meteorite and it is still in my possession; 9
grams of it is now in the IOM repository and the remaining mass of 35 grams
will be shipped back to the owner. If you look at the classification in the
MetBull you will see that I determined it to be a lunar fragmental breccia
based on electron microprobe analyses. The find history was communicated to
me by the owner which I reported verbatim in the write-up. This is normal
practice. I was quite surprised to read on the internet today that someone
is accusing Xinjiang meteorite hunters of transplanting NWAs to the
Taklamakan Desert and implying that Pakepake 005 was also transplanted from
NWA. The comment was on the MPOD website, but there was no tangible
evidence provided by the accuser other than “…the physical and chemical
weathering features were dissimilar from those of the meteorites recovered
in the Xinjiang deserts by my team…”. Obviously, such a public accusation
should be backed up with quantitative data, however none was provided. I
look forward to seeing such evidence if it exists or which tests were
carried out to prove NWA transplantation. In the meantime, it is probably a
good idea for everyone to take a deep breath and resist jumping to
unsupported conclusions. Now for a few points of clarification. This
meteorite was not sold to the owner by the finder as a lunar meteorite. It
was initially identified as a likely HED and sold as such. I was the one
who determined it to be lunar through my microprobe work. I have learned
from the owner that hunters in Xinjiang are becoming more aware that the
most valuable and rare meteorites are not necessarily magnetic like the
lion’s share of what is normally found, namely EOCs. Therefore, they are
now also on the lookout for achondrites. I believe a similar evolution took
place in NWA many years ago and now we see mostly very rare meteorites
coming from NWA because they have been high-graded by Saharan hunters and
dealers – the EOCs, unless massive, never see the meteorite market light of
day. The owner also told me that the discoverers are Uyghur people from
Xinjiang who might not easily obtain lunar meteorites from NWA to
transplant and they typically want to remain anonymous. Does this mean that
it is impossible for some of the Xinjiang meteorites to be transplanted? Of
course not, this is always a possibility with “found” meteorites – anywhere
in the world. On the other hand, am I surprised that a small lunar
meteorite was found in China’s largest sandy desert? Not at all, especially
given that there are now over 660 lunar meteorites in the MetBull, weighing
many kilograms, most of which were found in the Sahara Desert. No one bats
an eye when another ~10 kg lunar highlands breccia is found in the Sahara.
I think the more interesting question is why are there not more lunars
found elsewhere in the world like in the deserts of Antarctica, Atacama,
North America, etc. And of course, why are there no lunar falls?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Meteorites Found Across Earth Revealed as Fragments of The Same Baby Planet

2020-08-04 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
The lead photo is of our Techado IIE which they measured in this
study. I don't know about Mont Dieu, Wasson classified it as a IIE,
but it was changed in 2006, no explanation for the reclassification
given in the MetBull.

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:25 AM Anne Black via Meteorite-list
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>   [EXTERNAL]
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> Something does not add up here.
> The article uses Mont Dieu as a example of IIE, the core argument in the 
> article, but Mont Dieu was re-classified as a Iron, Ungrouped in 2006.
>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Meteorites Found Across Earth Revealed as 
> Fragments of The Same Baby Planet
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> https://www.sciencealert.com/a-family-of-meteorites-scattered-around-earth-are-the-fragments-of-a-baby-planet
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-04 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
They are all paired with NWA 13250.

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:25 AM Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
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> Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. 
> Almost like they’re all the same material
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
> many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.
>
> Hi List,
>
> Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
> These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.
>
> Link - 
> https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

2020-06-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
I have started to add photos and sometimes graphs or figures for
exceptional samples to MetBull classifications. I agree that photos of
garden variety equilibrated OCs might not be that interesting, but
sometimes they are. For me it is no extra work to post photos since I
always have microprobe BSE images and smartphone photos of the deposit
sample. I certainly agree that added value to the MetBull is a plus.

Carl

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:48 PM Jean Alix Barrat via Meteorite-list
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> Hello,
>
> it could be a good idea to include some pictures. However, it could be a
> false good idea. Most meteorites are not spectacular and will not be
> studied by anyone other than those who make the initial description. Who
> is interested in ordinary rusty chondrites? What outstanding science
> will be brought by these samples? Is it really important to complicate
> the work of the classifiers for these samples? Who will agree to do this
> work if the procedure becomes even more demanding?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jean-Alix
>
> Le 14/06/2020 à 20:55, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list a écrit :
> >
> >> I have started in Meteorites group discusion that every new classification 
> >> should include few photos of specimen….
> > Excellent idea, Marcin!
> >
> > It exists for many mets from Antarctica already!  Why not for all the newly 
> > classified mets? Including thin section photos!!!
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/ybygnu78
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> > BTW: I’m not too fond about facebook policy but facebook is where the 
> > meteorite world takes place!
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[meteorite-list] Institute of Meteoritics celebrates 75th anniversary

2019-08-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
SAVE THE DATE!!

The Institute of Meteoritics, founded at UNM in 1944 as one of the
first institutions in the world devoted to the study of meteorites,
will be celebrating its 75th anniversary during UNM’s homecoming week
on Thursday and Friday, October 24th and 25th, 2019. One of the
highlights of the event will be an open house at the newly renovated
UNM Meteorite Museum which features many rare and stunning specimens
from outer space.

There will be a reception on Thursday evening, Oct 24th with lite
fare, an open house in the Meteorite Museum, interactive displays and
2 special guest speakers.

Dr. G. Jeffrey Taylor- Professor Emeritus, Hawai`i Institute of
Geophysics and Planetology

Talk Title: Determining the Bulk Chemical Composition of the Moon and
Why We Care



Dr. Harrison “Jack” Schmitt- Former Apollo 17 astronaut and U.S. Senator

Talk title: Apollo 17 and Beyond



Friday, Oct 25th will consist of a symposium with special guest
speakers…Lunch will be provided

Some of the confirmed guest speakers are:

Dr. Chris Herd - Professor in the Department of Earth and Atmospheric
Sciences at the University of Alberta

Talk title: Finding the Source Craters for the Martian Meteorites



Dr. Nina Lanza- Deputy Team Lead for Space and Planetary Exploration
at Los Alamos National Laboratory

Talk title: Zapping rocks on Mars: Past, present, and future
observations from the ChemCam and SuperCam instruments



Dr. Lars Borg - an isotope geochemist whose research has focused on
the primordial differentiation of the terrestrial planets and
asteroids

Talk Title: Isotopic Evidence for a Young Lunar Magma Ocean



Various IOM Faculty and staff scientists will also speak on Friday



To register now please follow this link: unmalumni.com/iom-75



If you are unable to attend, we invite you to support the Institute of
Meteoritics via one of the following methods:



Donate by credit card now:

https://www.unmfund.org/fund/iom-directors-fund/

For Payment by check:

Please make check payable to:

UNM Foundation and reference: IOM Director’s Fund Account - Allocation
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Mail check directly to:

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Sponsors who would like to set up a table can register through our
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Thank you!

Sincerely,

Dr. Carl Agee

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Re: [meteorite-list] interstellar meteorite anyone?

2018-03-07 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
It is regrettable that Earthlings are not technologically advanced
enough to intercept and sample interstellar objects like `Oumuamua
which entered our solar system on a hyperbolic orbit and is now gone
forever. What a missed opportunity!

Carl
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
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> There are none we know of.
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2100887-canadian-meteorite-may-be-first-visitor-from-the-kuiper-belt/amp/
>
> That article speculates that Tagish Lake might have originated from the 
> Kuiper Belt, but there is no way to confirm even that.
>
> Maybe someday Voyager will send us back a useful bit of data that somehow can 
> connect a specimen to an interstellar source.  ;-)
>
> Cheers,
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> On 3/7/18 at 1:45 PM, matija bericic via Meteorite-list wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> Does any of you maybe have in possession interstellar meteorite?
>> Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] RES: Quartz on meteorites

2017-09-25 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Abdelfattah:
The quartz grains stuck in the sample I assume are terrestrial, of
course the H6 is meteorite!
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On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Abdelfattah Gharrad via
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> Hello all and thanks for answers and it's nice to have more idea and learning 
> from all.
>
>
> if we see grains of quartz stuck on a stone so this stone is not meteorite?
>
> a stone that I had the opportunity to see mottled with quartz grains (SiO2) 
> and it is a meteorite analyzed as H6 chondrite by Prof. Carl Agee
>
> Physical characteristics: TKW: 571 g. Dark brown exterior, saw cut reveals 
> fine grained oxidized brown interior with fine weathering veins.
>
> Petrography: (C. Agee, UNM) SEM, EDS, EMPA. Microprobe examination of a 
> polished mount shows olivine, low-Ca pyroxene, plagioclase, few small, <500 
> micron, extensively equilibrated chondrules, ubiquitous troilite, oxidized 
> kamacite, and weathering veins .
>
> Mineral compositions and Geochemistry: (C. Agee and N. Wilson, UNM) EMPA. 
> Olivine Fa19 Fe/Mn=42, low-Ca pyroxene Fs17 Wo1.4 Fe/Mn=24, plagioclase Ab81.
>
> Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H6), moderately weathered.
>
> Specimens: Oakes holds the main mass, 22.9 g including a probe mount on 
> deposit at UNM.
>
> Best regards,
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>
>
> 
> En date de : Lun 25.9.17, André Moutinho via Meteorite-list 
>  a écrit :
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>  Objet: [meteorite-list] RES:  Quartz on meteorites
>  À: "ALAN RUBIN" , "Abdelfattah Gharrad" 
> , "meteorite list" 
>  Date: Lundi 25 septembre 2017, 17h48
>
>  Hello all,
>
>  Morro do Rocio is a Brazilian meteorite
>  that sílica was found:
>  http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1985Metic..20..467F
>
>  Best
>
>  Andre
>
>
>
>  De: Meteorite-list
>  [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
>  Em nome de ALAN
>  RUBIN via Meteorite-list
>  Enviada em: sábado, 23 de setembro de
>  2017 21:28
>  Para: Abdelfattah Gharrad 
>  Cc: Meteoritecentral List 
>  Assunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Quartz on
>  meteorites
>
>
>
>  A few meteorites do contain rare grains
>  of SiO2 including tridymite,
>  quartz and cristobalite, but generally
>  these grains are quite small
>  and intergrown with other silicate
>  phases. Some IVA irons contain a
>  few blades of trydimite, but if you see
>  a rock with several percent or
>  more of quartz grains that are
>  millimeter size or larger, it will not
>  be a meteorite.
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:46 PM,
>  Abdelfattah Gharrad via
>  Meteorite-list 
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>  Hello members,
>
>  I really want to post my question about
>  quartz longtimes ago,   what I
>  learned that if one sees quartz on a
>  stone then the stone is not
>  meteorite.
>  in my knowledge there are different
>  types of quartz and whose chemical
>  formula is SiO2.
>
>  habitually no quartz in the meteorites
>  but if there is in a meteorite
>  then it is a rare stone and whose
>  classification differs from other
>  meteorites and testimony of another
>  planet it's just opinion.
>
>  I think that the meteorites have
>  chemical compositions like the
>  terrestrial stones (magmatic, volcanic
>  ...). the probability that a
>  meteorite contains SiO2 is not zero.
>
>  if there is a clarification please.
>
>  Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Quartz on meteorites

2017-09-25 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Hi Alan,

Perhaps you missed our talks at MetSoc:

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2017/pdf/6129.pdf
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2017/pdf/6268.pdf

NWA 9 has more than 20% silica polymorphs (mix of tridymite and
cristobalite).

Best regards,

Carl

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On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:28 PM, ALAN RUBIN via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> A few meteorites do contain rare grains of SiO2 including tridymite, quartz
> and cristobalite, but generally these grains are quite small and intergrown
> with other silicate phases. Some IVA irons contain a few blades of
> trydimite, but if you see a rock with several percent or more of quartz
> grains that are millimeter size or larger, it will not be a meteorite.
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Abdelfattah Gharrad via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello members,
>>
>> I really want to post my question about quartz longtimes ago,   what I
>> learned that if one sees quartz on a stone then the stone is not meteorite.
>> in my knowledge there are different types of quartz and whose chemical
>> formula is SiO2.
>>
>> habitually no quartz in the meteorites but if there is in a meteorite then
>> it is a rare stone and whose classification differs from other meteorites
>> and testimony of another planet it's just opinion.
>>
>> I think that the meteorites have chemical compositions like the
>> terrestrial stones (magmatic, volcanic ...). the probability that a
>> meteorite contains SiO2 is not zero.
>>
>> if there is a clarification please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abdelfattah.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing meteoric gemstones

2017-01-05 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Distinguishing between terrestrial olivine and pallasite olivine
probably isn't quick and easy. Electron microprobe would show the
difference in the Fe/Mn which is diagnostic. I've never used one, but
a handheld XRF might be able to do this too. If you don't mind
vaporizing the stone with a laser -- the oxygen isotopes are
diagnostic :) :) :)

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On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:16 PM, tracy latimer via Meteorite-list
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> Once again, I have found someone on ebay (surprise factor zero, Captain!) 
> selling what I am convinced are fake pallasite cut gems.  Unlike the last 
> fake seller I confronted, this seller seems willing to entertain the idea he 
> may have a fake or two, and wants to look into having them tested.  Are there 
> any quick and nasty tests an amateur or garden variety jeweler can do that 
> will confirm whether the cut gemstone is a. an olivine  and b. 
> extraterrestrial?  Alternately, can anyone suggest reputable testing places 
> where he could have his stones evaluated (he's in Canada)?  It would be 
> annoying to spend a couple hundred dollars on testing, only to find you had a 
> nice bit of faceted glass or garnet. 
>
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

2016-10-20 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Always an interesting topic!

A couple of things come to mind:

Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
century falls in CA?

We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
-- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.

Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?

Carl


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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
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> "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
> meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
> of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
> surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
> will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
> the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
> have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
> will not be included in this analysis..."
>
> I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
> 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
> statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
> officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
> had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
> Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
> approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
> numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
> in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
> due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
> recovery rates.
>
> Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
> falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
> falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
> 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
> likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
> meteorite falls in the 21st century.
>
> So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
> averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
> uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
> previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
> clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
> years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
> approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
> purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
> falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
> closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
> or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
>
> Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
> Which petrologic type do you think was the most common type recovered
> during the first 16 years of this century?
>
> Well, it's safe to say that it is an ordinary chondrite. No surprises there.
>
> More specifically, we have a tie between L6 and H5 chondrites at 23 each.
>
> Anyone want to guess what the third most common type is?
> The third most common is the L5 chondrite with 10 approvals.
> Well, surely the fourth most common is probably an H chondrite, right? Wrong.
>
> The fourth most common type is the eucrites with 7.
>
> Wait, that seems like too many Vestans! How can eucrite be in the top
> 4 common types? The answer is simple, it's because we are playing
> semantics with petrologic grades here.
>
> There have been 23 L6 chondrites, 23 H5 chondrites, 10 L5 chondrites,
> and 7 eucrites. But, there are many subtypes of H and L chondrites
> that are approved by NonCom, compared to the much smaller clan of
> eucrites. In total, there were 42 L chondrites and 40 H chondrites of
> various petrologic grades (L3, L4, L5, L6, etc) compared to just 7
> eucrites. Throw in the 10 LL chondrites that were approved and the
> numbers become more lopsided in favor of ordinary chondrites over
> eucrites - 92 to 7.
>
> After the ordinary chondrites and eucrites, the most numerous of
> meteorites recovered from 2000 to 2016 were carbonaceous chondrites
> followed by a

Re: [meteorite-list] Kalahari Lunars

2016-06-08 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
According to the MetBull there are 20 gram samples and thin sections
of both 008  and 009 at Universität Münster, Münster, Germany. There
has been science done on Kalahari 008 and 009. Aside from microprobe,
they have radiometric ages, oxygen isotopes, as well as cosmic ray
exposure. As Randy Korotev notes, they are totally different rocks but
with similar lunar ejection ages - only 350 ± 120 yr for Kalahari 008
and 220 ± 40 yr for Kalahari 009, which are the shortest exposure ages
of any meteorite.

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> In other words, they are worthless from a monetary standpoint just like
> meteorites found on public lands here in the United States and many other
> countries.
>
> The best that could be hoped for, if they still or ever existed,  is that
> they are made available for scientific research from the government that
> owns them.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Chauncey Walden via Meteorite-list"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:58 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Kalahari Lunars
>
>
>
>> There remains the fact that if any of this material actually appears in
>> the market it would immediately be claimed by the government of Botswana.
>> Their President has a keen interest in meteorites. That being said, the last
>> time I was in the Central Kalahari on photographic safari I definitely kept
>> an eye out for rocks. The White Kalahari has hundreds of feet of sand with
>> organics but rocks are rare.
>> Chauncey
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Goes Ivy League - NEW Display at Yale!

2016-06-07 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
There are some abstracts on Kalahari 008 and 009.

Randy Korotev and the Lunar Meteorite Compendium show some data.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/kalahari008.htm

http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/M5%20Kalahari.pdf

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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
Meteorite-list  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I think the mystery surrounding the Kalahari lunars is what makes them
> interesting. I have asked about them in the past and nobody seems to
> know much about them. From what I have read, they have been
> classified, but have never been made available to collectors. I do not
> know of a single private collector who has a specimen of these
> meteorites. I also cannot find any academic papers or articles about
> these meteorites. Their only documentation appears to be the brief
> entries in the Meteoritical Bulletin.
>
> Are there any photos of these meteorites available? Does anyone own a
> specimen of these meteorites? Where are they now? Have any scientists
> in the western world examined or worked with any specimens?
>
> NWA 5000 is, without a doubt, the most aesthetically appealing lunar
> meteorite in the world. I do not think there is any debate over that
> fact. Other lunars are attractive, but NWA 5000 is in a class of it's
> own. NWA 5000 is also one of the most well-known lunars. It has been
> photographed, exhibited, studied, and published countless times. But,
> it's claim to be the "world's largest lunar" will always have
> questions surrounding it because of Kalahari 009.  I think it is safe
> to say, for now, that NWA 5000 is the most documented large lunar, but
> some curious parties would like to see the Kalahari 009 mass.
>
> Who is sitting on the Kalahari 009 mass, and why don't they make
> photos or specimens available? Is it just sitting in a museum
> somewhere in Botswana?  And if so, why doesn't somebody visit that
> museum and snap a photo of it?
>
> I'm not trying to throw shade at NWA 5000 - I am just curious about
> the about large lunars, and would love to see what the Kalahari 009
> mass looks like.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/7/16, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Graham,
>>
>>
>>
>> EXACTLY my thoughts!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mendy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
>> Behalf Of Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:42 AM
>> To: Greg Hupe 
>> Cc: meteorite list 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Goes Ivy League - NEW Display at
>> Yale!
>>
>>
>>
>> Great to see this happen. Just love it when exciting new meteorite displays
>> emerge and collaborations between museums, the  scientific community and the
>> general meteorite community work out. NWA 5000 is still the most beautiful
>> lunar in my opinion even though in the last couple of years a large number
>> of others have been found...I think you have a few of them Darryl ;-)
>>
>> Which brings me to the Kalahari 009 mass which has always intrigued me. Does
>> anyone know more detail about the story behind this meteorite...I would love
>> to know more, or see photos details etc...and I'm sure many more in our
>> community would too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> >  > wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Darryl,
>>
>> For your opinion of and the,  ['legal classification'] of term, "The World's
>> Largest Lunar Meteorite."
>>
>> First, 'Kalahari "Anything Lunar-Related" has NEVER been physically and/or
>> photographically proven to be valid!
>>
>> Secondly as you, (as a Professional 'World-Wide' Meteorite Dealer &
>> Motivator) states, "[{Questionable lunar rock (Darryl's mention}]... recent
>> lunar fits together as a jigsaw which is more than twice as massive [as NWA
>> 5000]"
>>
>> MARKETING ~ On Your Part...
>>
>> We've only presented a "PUBLIC DISPLAY" of NORTHWEST AFRICA 5000 (NWA 5000)
>> of something I've been able to share without the Greed of ManKIND. My
>> pursuit of this project was to draw 'ManKIND' back together with my team
>> NOTHING IS FOR {SALE} Thank you for taking a 'couple seconds' to
>> 'Consider Your Thoughts' by my sharing a wonderful moment to 'Those Who
>> Deserve It' !!!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Greg
>>
>> 
>> Greg Hupe
>> The

Re: [meteorite-list] Confessions of a Meteorite Hunter

2016-01-31 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
FYI - Nina Lanza is an alumna of IOM/UNM, receiving her Ph.D. in 2011.
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:22 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list
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> http://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/confessions-of-a-meteorite-hunter/
>
>
> Please use the actual URL- Thanks Tom!
>  Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News 
> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tommy via Meteorite-list 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 8:41 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Confessions of a Meteorite Hunter
>
>
> http://bit.ly/1Sv71V2
>
>
> Regards!
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', researchers required to hand findings over

2016-01-16 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Not to bore everyone, but I'll repost thisexcerpt from Lincoln LaPaz's
(founder of IOM)
"Space Nomads: Meteorites in Sky, Field, and Laboratory". It is as
true today as it was when the IOM was founded in 1944! Also relevant
to this discussion I believe...


"Meteorite hunting, unlike pure mathematics, cannot be conducted with
success solely by publicity-shy individuals comfortably seated in
armchairs. Unlike the chemist, who buys his research materials from
catalogs; the bacteriologist, who brews up his cultures at will in a
laboratory; and the botanist, who finds the objects of his
experimentation in conveniently located greenhouse and herbarium, the
meteoriticist is in large measure dependent on the general public for
the specimens with which he works. In meteoritics, as in perhaps no
other science, rapid progress depends on the intelligent cooperation
of the layman, that fortunate individual destined, because of his
ubiquitousness, not only to witness all meteorites yet to fall, but
also, sooner or later, to stumble upon many of those that have already
fallen..."


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On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
Meteorite-list  wrote:
> Hi Ian and List,
>
> Yes, we can all play keyboard king and tell the governments and the
> world how we think things should be done. There will never be an ideal
> world and compromises must be made to keep everyone relatively happy
> (or at least content or apathetic). I agree that nobody's system is
> perfect, regardless of national boundaries.
>
> Comparing meteorites to collecting baseball cards is disingenuous.
> Rock and mineral collecting is one of the oldest expressions of
> geology. Amateur participation in that field has a long established
> history that has benefited museums and science over the years. For
> some people, meteorites are another rock to collect. For some they are
> research material. For some they are national treasures. Ultimately,
> who "owns" a meteorite? Do we really want some bureaucrat deciding
> that? Isn't this a case where common sense (ha!) should apply?  Or,
> call the lawyers and give them a pile of money to figure it out.
>
> I do not see the kind of rampant fraud and chicanery that Ian is
> talking about. Sure, any marketplace has crooks (some vendors, some
> buyers) and one has to only look at other collectible markets like
> autographs or Tiffany glass to see that fraud is "rampant" there was
> well. It all comes down to trust. If you don't trust the vendor's
> honesty and expertise, then avoid their sales pitches.
>
> "> I constantly see deception, fraud, ridiculous pricing, items stolen out of
>> countries, governments and scientists disrespected, incorrectly described
>> items, dubious provenance, destroyed samples, tiny fragments, endless
>> provenance hand balling etc etc"
>
> Where are you looking exactly?  eBay?  Craigslist?  Boot sales?  You
> can also buy a million types of snake oil at those same venues. It
> doesn't mean it's a problem that is endemic in any given field that
> sells or buys at that venue. Most known members of this mailing list
> are trustworthy. We all know who is and who isn't.  And the people who
> are crooks get run out of town pretty quick. There are a few of us who
> might be eccentrics, anti-socials, egotists, blowhards, or some other
> species of the common jerk, but you know who to trust when it comes to
> authenticity. The field sorts itself out and the informed buyer
> chooses from well-established and reputable sources.
>
> Nobody likes thieves or scammers and the only issue I have with the
> list of negative attributes on your list is "tiny fragments".  As
> someone who has owned, traded, and sold his share of tiny fragments,
> that is not a negative thing that should be lumped in with thievery.
>
> As I am sure you are aware, most scientific analysis doesn't require
> large volumes of material, especially redundant materials for
> diminishing/no scientific gain. Even a 3mg Bessey Speck is big enough
> for the microprobe and then some.  It's scientific value might be
> extremely limited if that speck represents yet another unremarkable H5
> W4 from the NWA DCA.
>
> What about the samples from scientifically-interesting material like
> NWA 7038?  How much science could be done with a "tiny fragment" of
> that?  Speaking of remarkable meteorites with scientific value, the
> recent Martian NWA 7038 was found by someone who never saw the inside
> of a classroom, traded to another person with no degrees, and sold to
> another guy with no letters after his

Re: [meteorite-list] UNM Meteorite Museum re-opening

2015-10-29 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Thanks for the kind words Ruben!

I just came across this excerpt from Lincoln LaPaz's (founder of IOM)
"Space Nomads: Meteorites in Sky, Field, and Laboratory". It is as
true today as it was when the IOM was founded in 1944!

"Meteorite hunting, unlike pure mathematics, cannot be conducted with
success solely by publicity-shy individuals comfortably seated in
armchairs. Unlike the chemist, who buys his research materials from
catalogs; the bacteriologist, who brews up his cultures at will in a
laboratory; and the botanist, who finds the objects of his
experimentation in conveniently located greenhouse and herbarium, the
meteoriticist is in large measure dependent on the general public for
the specimens with which he works. In meteoritics, as in perhaps no
other science, rapid progress depends on the intelligent cooperation
of the layman, that fortunate individual destined, because of his
ubiquitousness, not only to witness all meteorites yet to fall, but
also, sooner or later, to stumble upon many of those that have already
fallen..."
*
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Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Ruben Garcia
<rubengarcia85...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, Congratulations Carl, I couldn't be happier for you!
>
> It looks fantastic from the video and I can't wait to see it for
> myself in person, it's just another step forward for UNM. Meteorite
> museum renovations seem to be popluar now days, first ASU, then TCU
> and now UNM.
>
> You have done an amazing job at UNM. You inspire so many of us with
> your knowledge and enthusiasm for meteoritics.
>
> Keep it up!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-s-meteorite-museum-reopens-with-futuristic-design
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBiM4f9Eajs
>>
>> *
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>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>> MSC03 2050
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[meteorite-list] UNM Meteorite Museum re-opening

2015-10-29 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-s-meteorite-museum-reopens-with-futuristic-design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBiM4f9Eajs

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Supply and Demand

2015-05-31 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
One more thought and then I'll give it a rest. Regarding the current
supply of lunar meteorites (and to a lesser degree martian
meteorites), the only place where these are being found right now is
NWA. There are virtually no lunars coming out of Antarctica, and only
the sporadic martian. There still has never been a documented lunar
fall, never a North American lunar find. People, these objects are
super rare! Maybe the market is flooded right now, but I doubt if this
NWA flood is sustainable. Once these bargain lunars get bought up
and squirreled away in collections, say a few years from now, the
prices will go back up and they will continue to be seen as among the
very rarest meteorite types.

Carl Agee


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On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:
 Here is another measure of current meteorite supply.
 Angrites seem to be among the most scarce.
 -Carl Agee


 MetBull 103

 2174 Ordinary chondrites

 130 HED achondrites

 113 Carbonaceous chondrites

 41 Ureilites

 27 Lunar meteorites

 24 Enstatite chondrites

 21 Iron meteorites

 15 Primitive achondrites

 11 Mesosiderites

 10 Martian meteorites

 6 Rumuruti chondrites

 5 Ungrouped achondrites

 2 Enstatite achondrites

 1 Relict meteorite

 1 Pallasite

 1 Angrite



 MetBull 102

 2611 Ordinary chondrites

 264 HED achondrites

 124 Carbonaceous chondrites

 30 Ureilites

 20 Martian meteorites

 16 Primitive achondrites

 16 Rumuruti chondrites

 15 Mesosiderites

 12 Iron meteorites

 10 Lunar meteorites,

 9 Enstatite chondrites

 4 Enstatite achondrites

 4 Pallasites

 4 Ungrouped achondrites

 2 Angrites



 MetBull 101

 2308 Ordinary chondrites

 156 Carbonaceous chondrites

 63 HED achondrites

 17 Relict meteorites

 16 Rumuruti chondrites

 15 Enstatite chondrites

 15 Ureilites

 10 Iron meteorites

 9 Lunar meteorites

 9 Primitive achondrites

 8 Ungrouped achondrites

 7 Mesosiderites

 4 Martian meteorites

 2 Pallasites



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Supply and Demand

2015-05-30 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Here is another measure of current meteorite supply.
Angrites seem to be among the most scarce.
-Carl Agee


MetBull 103

2174 Ordinary chondrites

130 HED achondrites

113 Carbonaceous chondrites

41 Ureilites

27 Lunar meteorites

24 Enstatite chondrites

21 Iron meteorites

15 Primitive achondrites

11 Mesosiderites

10 Martian meteorites

6 Rumuruti chondrites

5 Ungrouped achondrites

2 Enstatite achondrites

1 Relict meteorite

1 Pallasite

1 Angrite



MetBull 102

2611 Ordinary chondrites

264 HED achondrites

124 Carbonaceous chondrites

30 Ureilites

20 Martian meteorites

16 Primitive achondrites

16 Rumuruti chondrites

15 Mesosiderites

12 Iron meteorites

10 Lunar meteorites,

9 Enstatite chondrites

4 Enstatite achondrites

4 Pallasites

4 Ungrouped achondrites

2 Angrites



MetBull 101

2308 Ordinary chondrites

156 Carbonaceous chondrites

63 HED achondrites

17 Relict meteorites

16 Rumuruti chondrites

15 Enstatite chondrites

15 Ureilites

10 Iron meteorites

9 Lunar meteorites

9 Primitive achondrites

8 Ungrouped achondrites

7 Mesosiderites

4 Martian meteorites

2 Pallasites



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

2015-05-30 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 10
2014: 12

Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.

Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
knows!

Carl Agee

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On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
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 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

 My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
 shifted in value?

 Shawn Alan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

2015-05-30 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Sorry here is correct list, somehow the first three entries for lunars
got duplicated in the martians.

Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 2
2011: 8
2012: 8
2013: 10
2014: 12
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On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:
 Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
 martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

 2010: 11
 2011: 6
 2012: 4
 2013: 13
 2014: 25

 Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

 2010: 11
 2011: 6
 2012: 4
 2013: 10
 2014: 12

 Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
 Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
 shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
 unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
 drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
 such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.

 Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
 eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
 good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
 lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
 knows!

 Carl Agee

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 MSC03 2050
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

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 On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
 especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
 some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
 less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
 still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

 My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
 shifted in value?

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy birthday to the Giants

2015-02-18 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
And Norton is still the world's largest achondrite. A miracle that it
stayed together in the 1 ton mass, most of the aubrite is very
friable, except the nice sized enstatite crystals thoughout. They just
don't make falls like the used to!

Carl Agee
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list
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 February 17 and 18 are the birthdays of the two largest meteorites to fall in 
 the US.  On February 17, 1930 the Paragould meteorite fell in the 
 northeastern corner of Arkansas.  The 820 pound stone recovered from the fall 
 was the largest meteorite recovered from a witnessed fall in the US to that 
 time.

 Eighteen years later, on February 18, 1948, the Norton County aubrite fell 
 near the Kansas-Nebraska border.  The 2360 pound main mass was found on July 
 3 and later recovered from a 10 foot deep hole.  It remains the largest stone 
 meteorite seen to fall in the US and the second largest largest fall in the 
 world after the Jilin, China meteorite that fell on March 8, 1976.

 Cheers,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Mriera is being re-voted in light of the new data from Albert Jambon.
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote:
 Also Mriera should be a fall. Jambon did the neuclides on it and clearly 
 falls in the timeframe i first suggested.

 I can give that info to whomever wants it.
 Matt

 On February 14, 2015 12:04:53 PM MST, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via 
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Hi Carl and List,

Thank you for this update on the change.  However, what exactly does
this mean in practice?

For example, would a find with coordinates like Mreira now be
classified as a NWA 10xxx ?

Or will finds with firm reliable coordinates still be considered for a
place name and not a NWA 10xxx?

On this page, I can see the crossed out portion about NWAs that was
abolished.  But what else has changed in regards to policy about
classifying NWA material? - http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Hi Mike,

In a nutshell, the new rules allow geographic names for any Moroccan
meteorite with find coordinates. To simplify the naming in desert
areas, part of Morocco will have DCA grids. Under the new rules, any
meteorite without coordinates, originating in Morocco or surroundings
(meaning in practical terms purchased in Morocco) will be given a NWA
name. The new style NWAs will start with NWA 10001 to set them apart
from the old style NWA rules. There will be no retroactive names
assigned in this new scheme. Nothing will change in the naming of
falls, which will always have unique geographic names.

Hope this clarifies.

Carl
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Carl and List,

 Thank you for this update on the change.  However, what exactly does
 this mean in practice?

 For example, would a find with coordinates like Mreira now be
 classified as a NWA 10xxx ?

 Or will finds with firm reliable coordinates still be considered for a
 place name and not a NWA 10xxx?

 On this page, I can see the crossed out portion about NWAs that was
 abolished.  But what else has changed in regards to policy about
 classifying NWA material? - http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

 Best regards,

 MikeG

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 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=3

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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
-- Forwarded message --
From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu
Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the
Nomenclature Committee
To: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com
Cc: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com, Galactic
Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list
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Mriera is being re-voted in light of the new data from Albert Jambon.

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Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

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Fax: (505) 277-3577
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote:
 Also Mriera should be a fall. Jambon did the neuclides on it and clearly 
 falls in the timeframe i first suggested.

 I can give that info to whomever wants it.
 Matt

 On February 14, 2015 12:04:53 PM MST, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via 
 Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
Hi Carl and List,

Thank you for this update on the change.  However, what exactly does
this mean in practice?

For example, would a find with coordinates like Mreira now be
classified as a NWA 10xxx ?

Or will finds with firm reliable coordinates still be considered for a
place name and not a NWA 10xxx?

On this page, I can see the crossed out portion about NWAs that was
abolished.  But what else has changed in regards to policy about
classifying NWA material? - http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 8159 in Tucson

2015-02-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
That would be Anne -- lol
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:
 Hi Ann,

 I am in midst of preparing a full paper on NWA 8159 for peer-review.
 In the meantime, here are some conference abstracts that have more
 info than the MetBull entry:

 http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2014/pdf/2036.pdf

 http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2014/pdf/5397.pdf

 It is a unique new martian meteorite type for a number of reasons, to
 mention a few: age, shock, mineralogy, isotopes.

 Carl
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 On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 I am curious.
 I did look up this martian, NWA 8159 in the Met. Bulletin, odd rock with 
 characteristics of all 3 of the SNC, so what is it?
 An heterogeneous meteorite?
 The missing link between all 3 martians?
 A mixture of types, something like Almahata Sitta???

 I did read the description on the Met.Bulletin but is there more written 
 about it?  Any papers published yet?
 Did anyone take any pictures of that rock?
 Would any of that explain the surprising price of $15 000.00 a gram?

 Still curious.

 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 8159 in Tucson

2015-02-14 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Hi Ann,

I am in midst of preparing a full paper on NWA 8159 for peer-review.
In the meantime, here are some conference abstracts that have more
info than the MetBull entry:

http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2014/pdf/2036.pdf

http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2014/pdf/5397.pdf

It is a unique new martian meteorite type for a number of reasons, to
mention a few: age, shock, mineralogy, isotopes.

Carl
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 I am curious.
 I did look up this martian, NWA 8159 in the Met. Bulletin, odd rock with 
 characteristics of all 3 of the SNC, so what is it?
 An heterogeneous meteorite?
 The missing link between all 3 martians?
 A mixture of types, something like Almahata Sitta???

 I did read the description on the Met.Bulletin but is there more written 
 about it?  Any papers published yet?
 Did anyone take any pictures of that rock?
 Would any of that explain the surprising price of $15 000.00 a gram?

 Still curious.

 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com

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[meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-13 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=3

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Re: [meteorite-list] Middle school students lobbying Kansas lawmakers to declare official state rock

2015-01-28 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
True, there are more Lone Star meteorites total than any other state,
but we were ranking by density of meteorites, and Texas' meteorite
density is a paltry 0.00113 per square mile.

Carl
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Shawn Alan
shawna...@meteoritefalls.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 Have you heard of the saying Don't mess with Texas

 305 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
 that are exactly Texas

 And these meteorite finds/Falls come from different localities

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  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Middle school students lobbying Kansas
 lawmakers to declare official state rock
 From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu
 Date: Wed, January 28, 2015 2:55 pm
 To: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com
 Cc: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com, Mendy Ouzillou
 mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com,  Meteorite Central
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com


 I count 225 New Mexico meteorites in the MetBull. That is 0.00185
 meteorites per square mile.

 If Kansas has 143 meteorites, then that is 0.00174 meteorites per square 
 mile.

 I think that puts the Land of Enchantment as the #1 meteorite state :) :)


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 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  Hello Listers
 
  I agree Brenham is be the best suited state meteorite Michael.
  If NY was doing this, it would have to be Peekskill to be the state
  rock.
 
  Mendy I think the teacher was going off the info from  Meteoritical
  Bulletin Database
 
  Here are the results I gathered from there.
 
  116 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
  that are exactly Nevada
 
  130 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
  that are exactly Arizona
 
  143 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
  that are exactly Kansas
 
 
  Shawn Alan
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   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Middle school students lobbying Kansas
  lawmakers to declare official state rock
  From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
  Date: Wed, January 28, 2015 11:37 am
  To: Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com
  Cc: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com, Meteorite Central
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 
  Why would Cabin Creek be a better choice? It is from Arkansas.
  Brenham, definitely
 
  Michael Farmer
 
   On Jan 28, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list 
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  
   I'm just probably a meanie, but I think this effort is misguided
   though certainly better than making the state rock limestone. The
   children calculated that somehow, Kansas has more meteorites per
   square mile (not sure if finds, falls, or hits) than anywhere else in
   the US (if finds then sorry Arizona and Nevada). I am happy to see
   that calculations were done though disappointed that their teacher did
   not better guide their efforts. Finally, the picture in the article is
   clearly of a beautiful Sikhote Alin. I wonder how well that will go
   over with the state legislators. Maybe Cabin Creek would have been a
   better choice. :-)
  
   Mendy
  
  
  
   On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
   Hello Listers
  
   I hope it passes be cool for Kansas have a meteorite for a state rock 
   :)
  
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   SHAWNEE, Kan. – A group of local middle school students are lobbying
   to change state history. The students with Monticello Trails Middle
   School, which is part of the De Soto School District, are headed to
   Topeka to argue for an official state rock.
  
   Chris Sprenger, an 8th grade student at the school, is determined to
   make the meteorite the official Kansas state rock.
  
   “The meteorite really has a connection with Kansas that it really
   doesn’t have with any of the other states in the U.S.,” Sprenger
   said.
  
   Sprenger and more than 100 other students in the district pitched the
   bill to

Re: [meteorite-list] Middle school students lobbying Kansas lawmakers to declare official state rock

2015-01-28 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
I count 225 New Mexico meteorites in the MetBull. That is 0.00185
meteorites per square mile.

If Kansas has 143 meteorites, then that is 0.00174 meteorites per square mile.

I think that puts the Land of Enchantment as the #1 meteorite state :) :)


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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 I agree Brenham is be the best suited state meteorite Michael.
 If NY was doing this, it would have to be Peekskill to be the state
 rock.

 Mendy I think the teacher was going off the info from  Meteoritical
 Bulletin Database

 Here are the results I gathered from there.

 116 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
 that are exactly Nevada

 130 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
 that are exactly Arizona

 143 records found for valid meteorites from United States with places
 that are exactly Kansas


 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
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 Website http://meteoritefalls.com

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Middle school students lobbying Kansas
 lawmakers to declare official state rock
 From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
 Date: Wed, January 28, 2015 11:37 am
 To: Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com
 Cc: Shawn Alan shawna...@meteoritefalls.com, Meteorite Central
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com


 Why would Cabin Creek be a better choice? It is from Arkansas.
 Brenham, definitely

 Michael Farmer

  On Jan 28, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list 
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
  I'm just probably a meanie, but I think this effort is misguided
  though certainly better than making the state rock limestone. The
  children calculated that somehow, Kansas has more meteorites per
  square mile (not sure if finds, falls, or hits) than anywhere else in
  the US (if finds then sorry Arizona and Nevada). I am happy to see
  that calculations were done though disappointed that their teacher did
  not better guide their efforts. Finally, the picture in the article is
  clearly of a beautiful Sikhote Alin. I wonder how well that will go
  over with the state legislators. Maybe Cabin Creek would have been a
  better choice. :-)
 
  Mendy
 
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  Hello Listers
 
  I hope it passes be cool for Kansas have a meteorite for a state rock :)
 
  Shawn Alan
  IMCA 1633
  ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
  Website http://meteoritefalls.com
 
 
  SHAWNEE, Kan. – A group of local middle school students are lobbying
  to change state history. The students with Monticello Trails Middle
  School, which is part of the De Soto School District, are headed to
  Topeka to argue for an official state rock.
 
  Chris Sprenger, an 8th grade student at the school, is determined to
  make the meteorite the official Kansas state rock.
 
  “The meteorite really has a connection with Kansas that it really
  doesn’t have with any of the other states in the U.S.,” Sprenger
  said.
 
  Sprenger and more than 100 other students in the district pitched the
  bill to Representative Brett Hildabrand.
 
  Lobbying for a state rock has challenged the students across the board.
  In social studies they’ve learned how bills are passed, in science
  they’ve learned about geology and rocks and in communication arts
  they’ve spent hours working on their proposal essays.
 
  source:http://fox4kc.com/2015/01/27/middle-school-students-lobbying-kansas-lawmakers-to-declare-official-state-rock/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update: Sahara 00293

2015-01-23 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Mike and All:

Even poor old L6's can have their 15 minutes of fame! This one has
high pressure minerals: dark blue ringwoodite and green wadsleyite.
How cool (or should I say hot and shocked?) is that?

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via
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 Hi Laurence and List,

 Ah, the nebulous picture becomes more clear. Science works in
 mysterious ways.

 It must be interesting (and fun) to have access to an institutional
 collection. One could sift through the numerous specimens looking for
 traits that stand out and/or features of interest. I wonder what first
 caught her eye about this old Saharan OC. I wish Ms. Crystyl the best
 of luck on her research and I hope we see her name more often in the
 Bulletin.  :)

 Thanks for the explanation Laurence. :)

 Best regards,

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 On 1/23/15, Laurence Garvie via Meteorite-list
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 Crystyl is a grad student in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at
 ASU. She is studying shock phases in meteorites, and by chance Sah 00293 has
 something very interesting in it (you can look up her LPSC abstract which
 will be online in a few weeks). In order for her LPSC abstract to be
 accepted, she had to first classify and then get the meteorite accepted by
 the NomCom.

 Laurence Garvie
 CMS
 ASU

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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:30:02 -0500
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 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : Sahara 00293
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 Hi Bulletin Watchers,

 There is one new approval. I find it curious. It is an old Sahara OC
 found by Mr. Labenne fifteen years ago (2000). Crystylynda Fudge was
 the classifier. I have never heard this name before. I am just curious
 why this meteorite suddenly appeared out of obscurity to be approved
 today.

 Best regards and Happy Huntings,

 MikeG

 Link : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=61360

 Bulletin write-up :

 Sahara 00293
 (Sahara)
 Found: 2000
 Classification: Ordinary chondrite (L6)

 History: Reportedly collected in the same location as Sahara 98222.

 Physical characteristics: Chondrules largely integrated into matrix,
 difficult to discern in cut section. Abundant shock-induced melt veins
 and pockets.

 Petrography: Fine-grained recrystallized plagioclase throughout
 matrix, some grains up to 200 ?m. Abundant metal sulfides and troilite
 with trace native Cu. Evidence of minor planar deformation features in
 olivine. Ubiquitous opaque shock melt veins and associated dark blue
 ringwoodite and green wadsleyite.

 Geochemistry: (C. Fudge, ASU) EPMA: Fa24.8?0.1 FeO/MnO: 48.8?1.6 n=11;
 low-Ca pyroxene Fs20.9?0.3Wo1.6?0.2 FeO/MnO: 28.6?1.1 n=12; high-Ca
 pyroxene Fs8.4?0.2Wo44.4?0.1 FeO/MnO: 20.8?1.2 n=2

 Classification: Ordinary chondrite L6, S6, W2

 Specimens: 27.05 g and one thin section at ASU


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Met Bulletin Update: Sahara 00293

2015-01-23 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
I think we have to save the name Shocking Blue for the first
meteorite from Venus--  if one is ever discovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list
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 How cool (or should I say hot and shocked?) is that?

 I'd say a shocking S6 ;-)
 Some Europeans (especially the Dutch) will remember
 a group called Shockin' Blue ... They must have been
 savvy re: ringwoodite :-)

 Cheers, Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Norites - Lunar and Diogenite

2015-01-09 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Hi Mike:

Norite is a generic petrologic term for an igneous mafic rock that has
primarily orthopyroxene + plagioclase and little or no clinopyroxene.
Norites occur on Earth, the Moon, and the HED parent body (as you call
Vestan). HED norites are in fact a type of diogenite. Geochemically
there is no way you can confuse a HED norite with a lunar norite. For
one thing they have totally different Fe/Mn, and of course the oxygen
isotopes are totally different.

Hope this helps.

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On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via
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 Hi List,

 I was looking at Norites recently, and I came across the only
 lunar-origin Norite, the lunaite NWA 773.  I had no knowledge of NWA
 773 prior to stumbling across it's Noritic connection.

 The visual similarities between lunar norite and Vestan norite are
 apparent. I am assuming the major differences are noted in chemistry.
 Do lunar and Vestan norites share any other characteristics that might
 blur the line between their respective parent bodies?  In other words,
 are these two types of norites so closely related that their may be
 some room for reconsideration when it comes to their parent body
 origins?  (i.e., possible they came from the same body, or a noritic
 body impact on the parent, etc)

 Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Lunars, Martian, HED's, Achondrites

2014-12-29 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
New approvals are exactly that -- meteorites that have been newly
classified and approved by the NomCom and entered into the MetBull
database. They are not necessarily new finds, in fact we have approved
some recently that were found more than a decade ago but were never,
until now, submitted for classification.

Happy New Year, keep the good stuff coming!

Carl Agee
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 I was wondering why you announce the same Lunar and Martian meteorites time
 and time again?  I check the links to discover these were announced months
 ago and are not new discoveries. It makes it appear that new finds are being
 found on a weekly bases.

 Best Regards,

 Adam

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 Hi Bulletin Watchers,

 There are 10 new approvals, including 3 Lunars and a Martian.

 Link :
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2Asfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0

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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

2014-05-21 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Hi Sonny,

 I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

 Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

 Jim



 On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

 Hey Adam and list

 Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

 Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

 With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
 has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
 to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
 would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
 a great case to challenge in court.

 Sonny






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 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???


 Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with the
 BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with three
 different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
 answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
 also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
 stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
 friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
 anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
 consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
 not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the
 thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
 wahlpe...@aol.comTo: raremeteori...@centurylink.net;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
 Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
 need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
 the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
 Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
 aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
 formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
 BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
 State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
 meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
 with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
 some more Easter Eggs this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message-
 From: Raremeteorites via
 Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
 Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
 the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
 laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
 overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
 I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
 sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
 their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
 never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites
 are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
 peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
 theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting ofseven
 people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
 meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets.
 Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.
 I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
 leave it at that.  Others on thislist have been warned as well.  I will
 leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences

Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

2014-05-21 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
Hi Jim,

Just between you and me -- and everyone else on the internet -- I wish
NASA would spend a tiny fraction of their ~$19B annual budget on the
recovery, classification, curation, and data analysis on
scientifically valuable meteorites originating outside of Antarctica.
They spend piles of money on JPL's remote sensing probes and archiving
the data from missions but somehow the non-Antarctic samples in our
labs and university museums are not as special to them -- and as far
as I know they are from the same solar system :) :)

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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
 opportunity to touch and see the
 Old Woman Meteorite.
 The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of
 the BLM building!
 She thought I was joking around!  ;)

 If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go
 get it and re-unite them.
 I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could
 be raised to retrieve these.
 Russia would do it, I bet!

 I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it
 happen by a qualified organization

 Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is nuts!
 I am mean really.

 Now back to watching epoxy cure!
 I need to call you next week.

 Jim



 On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

 I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
 Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
 i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
 slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
 is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

 Carl Agee
 *
 Carl B. Agee
 Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
 Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
 MSC03 2050
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

 Tel: (505) 750-7172
 Fax: (505) 277-3577
 Email: a...@unm.edu
 http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



 On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Hi Sonny,

 I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

 Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

 Jim



 On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

 Hey Adam and list

 Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

 Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

 With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
 piece
 has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have
 tried
 to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
 would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would
 be
 a great case to challenge in court.

 Sonny






 -Original Message-
 From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???


 Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with
 the
 BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with
 three
 different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
 answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area
 that
 also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
 stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
 friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
 anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
 consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land
 are
 not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me,
 the
 thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
 wahlpe...@aol.comTo: raremeteori...@centurylink.net;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
 Finds???Hey
 Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
 need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds
 over
 the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
 Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
 aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
 formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the
 LasVegas
 BLM regarding meteorite hunting

Re: [meteorite-list] NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021

2014-05-08 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
NASA's Planetary Protection Officer will have to approve it!

-Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Mendy.Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 Just watched an old Dr. Who episode about that very project. Did not turn out 
 well ...

 Mendy Ouzillou

 On May 8, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:



 http://www.space.com/25767-nasa-mars-greenhouse-rover-plant-experiment.html

 NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021
 By Mike Wall
 space.com
 May 6, 2014

 Plant life may touch down on Mars in 2021.

 Researchers have proposed putting a plant-growth experiment on NASA's
 next Mars rover, which is scheduled to launch in mid-2020 and land on
 the Red Planet in early 2021. The investigation, known as the Mars Plant
 Experiment (MPX), could help lay the foundation for the colonization of
 Mars, its designers say.

 In order to do a long-term, sustainable base on Mars, you would want
 to be able to establish that plants can at least grow on Mars, MPX deputy
 principal investigator Heather Smith, of NASA's Ames Research Center in
 Mountain View, California, said April 24 at the Humans 2 Mars conference
 in Washington, D.C. This would be the first step in that - we just send
 the seeds there and watch them grow.

 The MPX team - led by fellow Ames scientist Chris McKay - isn't suggesting
 that the 2020 Mars rover should play gardener, digging a hole with its
 robotic arm and planting seeds in the Red Planet's dirt. Rather, the 
 experiment
 would be entirely self-contained, eliminating the chance that Earth life
 could escape and perhaps get a foothold on Mars.

 MPX would employ a clear CubeSat box - the case for a cheap and tiny
 satellite - which would be affixed to the exterior of the 2020 rover.
 This box would hold Earth air and about 200 seeds of Arabidopsis, a small
 flowering plant that's commonly used in scientific research.

 The seeds would receive water when the rover touched down on Mars, and
 would then be allowed to grow for two weeks or so.

 In 15 days, we'll have a little greenhouse on Mars, Smith said.

 MPX would provide an organism-level test of the Mars environment, showing
 how Earth life deals with the Red Planet's relatively high radiation levels
 and low gravity, which is about 40 percent as strong as that of Earth,
 she added.

 We would go from this simple experiment to the greenhouses on Mars for
 a sustainable base, Smith said. That would be the goal.

 In addition to its potential scientific returns, MPX would provide humanity
 with a landmark moment, she added.

 It also would be the first multicellular organism to grow, live and die
 on another planet, Smith said.

 The 2020 Mars rover is based heavily on NASA's Curiosity rover, which
 landed in August 2012 to determine if the Red Planet has ever been capable
 of supporting microbial life. Curiosity has already answered that question
 in the affirmative, finding that a site called Yellowknife Bay was, indeed,
 habitable billions of years ago.

 NASA wants the 2020 rover to search for signs of past Mars life, and collect
 rock and soil samples for eventual return to Earth. But the space agency
 is still working out the details of the robot's mission - for example,
 figuring out what instruments it will carry.

 NASA received 58 instrument proposals for the rover during its call for
 submissions, which lasted from September 2013 until January of this year.
 Final selections should be made by June or so, NASA officials have said.

 Curiosity totes 10 instruments around Mars, so the 2020 rover may end
 up with a similar amount of scientific gear.

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