[meteorite-list] AD: Black Rock 001 Paymaster Mine (AD)

2015-03-17 Thread Jeff Pringle via Meteorite-list
Plain text, version ;-)



 From: Jeff Pringle j...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Black Rock 001  Paymaster Mine (AD)
 Date: March 17, 2015 2:01:50 PM PDT
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 Hi All! 
 Just a heads-up, I put a slice of each of these meteorites on ebay ;-)
 Paymaster Mine 7.9 grams
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/131457602605
 Black Rock 001 10.5 grams
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/131457599049
 I hope you're all having an extraterrestrial St. Patrick's day!
 Jeff

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[meteorite-list] AD-Black Rock 001

2012-06-19 Thread Jeff Pringle
i everyone! I just wanted to alert you, I finally remembered to make a bit of 
Black Rock 001 available to the collecting community. Considering how often I 
think about selling, this is a unique opportunity to acquire a must-have 
meteorite for collectors of Nevada meteorites, fans of the Black Rock Desert, 
and of course lovers of little black rocks :-D
Check it out on ebay, 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130715833988
Best regards, 
Jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space POD 7-27

2007-08-02 Thread Jeff Pringle

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_27_2007.html



That's an unusual texture, I think the geologists call it spherulitic - 
indicative of rapid cooling.


Here's an example of a similar texture in Apollo rock 60017:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/cgi-bin/DPSC_Data.pl?search=1rock=60017piece=size=slide=coments=

Got any thin section micrographs of that meteorite yet?

Anyone recall seeing another meteorite with that texture?

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Re: [meteorite-list] I write to seek some advice re EMP

2006-12-24 Thread Jeff Pringle
I'm also interested in some broader artikles on EMP with regard to
meteorites ie wot particularly is EMP looking for and how it differentiates
from say terrestrial rox




Electron Microprobe is (among other things) a more quantitative way of 
determining mineral composition that the traditional optical mineralogy 
methods, so to understand Fayalite you should look into basic mineralogy 
info. Fayalite is a component of Olivine, but separating out earth  ET 
rocks depends on more than just one mineral. It seems the Fe/Mn ratio of 
pyroxene is more commonly referenced. See for example Pigeonholing 
Planetary Meteorites in the publications section of this website:

http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/marsmets/index.cfm

More on the differences between earth and space rocks can be figured out by 
reading this article:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/treiman/frass_rock.pdf

More on the mineralogy of meteorites can be found in many places, but this 
one is tops:

http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

Look through the old bulletins here:

http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletin

Pick a couple good key words and more articles than you can read in a year 
are here:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html



Best of luck on your rocks!





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[meteorite-list] Moss classification speculation

2006-08-29 Thread Jeff Pringle
So no one has yet checked Moss' magnetic susceptibility? Seems like if Logx 
was anything other than low to mid 4s you'd know it is something unusual, if 
not exactly what it is.
On another note, I hope nobody sells any of this to Keith Richards, you 
don't want to prove the old adage wrong!
;-) 


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[meteorite-list] Re: LUNAR THIN SECTIONS

2006-08-23 Thread Jeff Pringle
And when you are done with that site, it's time to dive into this treasure 
trove:

http://cps.earth.northwestern.edu/cgi-bin/DPSC_Browse.pl
...thousands of slides from all the Apollo missions, searchable!
Have fun,
Jeff




Hi, All,



Fans of thin section photos may have already
found this website, but if not, you should take
a look at:
http://www.union.edu/PUBLIC/GEODEPT/COURSES/petrology/moon_rocks/



A very large number of Lunar thin sections, nicely
photographed by Kurt Hollocher of Union College in
Schenectady, NY.



Beautiful stuff.




Sterling K. Webb


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[meteorite-list] Satellite Reentry Witness 3

2006-06-03 Thread Jeff Pringle
In late August of '99 I was camping in the Nevada desert. One evening, as 
twilight turned into darkness, a fireball burned across the sky from horizon 
to horizon (that's a pretty big distance in the Nv desert!). I caught sight 
of it at about 1/3 of the way across. It was traveling directly east at a 
leisurely pace (compared to meteors), leaving a wide, glittering  trail of 
many colors which hung in the air for a moment or three after. The most 
amazing celestial spectacle I've ever seen, suprising and awesome.
I remember finding out that it was a satellite reentry, but don't recall the 
details.


Jeff 


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Humor

2006-03-26 Thread Jeff Pringle
The Demotivator people did a met-related poster, but used a photo of a 
comet -

http://www.despair.com/wishes.html


Black Rock,

Jeff 


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RE:[meteorite-list] Bowie Knife from Meteorite?

2005-09-26 Thread Jeff Pringle
The meteorite content is apocryphal. Most knives were sheffield steel at 
that time.

Here's a good synopsis of the story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie_knife 


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[meteorite-list] NWA 2906, NWA 869

2005-06-16 Thread Jeff Pringle

Bob wrote:
With all due respect.. that's NWA 869.

See, I would have said that had too much rust staining (aren't those 
chondrules a little vague as well?)to be 869...though I don't claim to be an 
expert. I have bought a couple unclassified stones (allegedly from Rissani) 
that look waaay more 869ish than those photos.
I still think them what claim to know this mysterious meteorite ought to 
step up to the plate (out on that limb?) and say what makes 869 
distinctively 869.

Greenish tint to crust?
Bluish tint to matrix?
List the clast types?
Describe, in some way, something?
Haven't you noticed that when you get ten people saying  you know it when 
you see it, at least two of those people are talking about something else 
entirely?


Jeff



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[meteorite-list] RE: NWA 869

2005-06-13 Thread Jeff Pringle

Mike wrote:
it is a very distinct meteorite, unmistakable to
anyone who knows it.

Could those of you 'who know it' list the features which make NWA 869 
distinctive?


Thanks,
Jeff 


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Re: [meteorite-list] RE: NWA 869

2005-06-13 Thread Jeff Pringle

Dave  list -

handle a few kilo's of 869,  and you will get the idea.   It just seems 
that if you want to get 'NWA 869' out of the garbage can and into the Met. 
Bulletin, *somebody* has to articulate what makes one slightly weathered, 
brecciated L4-6 'NWA 869', and another one not -  since it's sold by every 
meteorite middleman out there (and half the time as 'unclassified'), it'd 
be interesting to see how everyone's lists of features match up, too, don't 
you think?


The main thing specifically mentioned on 869 sale pages is occasional 'dark 
inclusions' - surely there are other diagnostic features?


Several websites claim it is 'paired with' or 'sold as' NWA 787, NWA 900 - 
and other numbers - how many others? Which ones? This list might be the 
best place to gather that information, or determine that what everyone has 
been calling NWA 869 is actually NWA something else, already classified with 
an erroneous TKW.


Or is that a can of chondrules not to be opened?



Jeff

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[meteorite-list] NWA 869 format correction

2005-06-13 Thread Jeff Pringle

Reformat of previous message -

Dave  list -


handle a few kilo's of 869,  and you will get the idea.


It just seems that if you want to get 'NWA 869' out of the garbage can and 
into the Met.

Bulletin, *somebody* has to articulate what makes one slightly weathered,
brecciated L4-6 'NWA 869', and another one not -  since it's sold by every
meteorite middleman out there (and half the time as 'unclassified'), it'd
be interesting to see how everyone's lists of features match up, too, don't
you think?

The main thing specifically mentioned on 869 sale pages is occasional 'dark
inclusions' - surely there are other diagnostic features?

Several websites claim it is 'paired with' or 'sold as' NWA 787, NWA 900 -
and other numbers - how many others? Which ones? This list might be the
best place to gather that information, or determine that what everyone has
been calling NWA 869 is actually NWA something else, already classified 
with

an erroneous TKW.
Or is that a can of chondrules not to be opened?

Jeff 


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[meteorite-list] PV reading list

2005-05-17 Thread Jeff Pringle

Go to:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html

Type in portales valley (including quotes) and click the box 'require title 
for selection'
Click the 'send query' button, and you got 32 papers on PV, most of which are 
available full text. The background of the current reclassification proposal, 
if you will.
*works for every other topic of meteoritical interest, too*

Happy reading!


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[meteorite-list] Re: 13.5 kg lunar

2005-05-16 Thread Jeff Pringle
Doug escribe:
...how nice  that this finder seems to be happy to share the 
meteorite with scientists! 

Dude, it seems to me the finder does not give a rat's anorthite for the science 
of meteoritics, or sharing for that matter, if all they could kick down for a 
type specimen is 20 of their 13,500 grams.
I hope it's a typo, or not the full story, 'cause a better example of stingy 
you'd be hard pressed to find!

Jeff








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[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Hunting Laws

2005-05-16 Thread Jeff Pringle
Adam wrote:

'I am tired of all the gray area talk.  What are the laws?'

But after looking at some of the laws, it seems the laws ARE the grey area! 

Can a list member with some legal facility look into the case of the Old Woman 
meteorite and tell us how the laws were interpreted in that case?

Does that case have any bearing on current meteorite collecting?

It's all fun and games 'til somebody finds a lunar.

Jeff





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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: 13.5 kg lunar (Significance)

2005-05-16 Thread Jeff Pringle
Doug wrote:

'is she stingy  because she doesn't send 
it to the Chop Shop for slicing and dicing to be  distributed to careful 
collectors as well as those who habitually break them  into pieces and allow to 
weather away in some corner, before it had been even  classified?'

No, and I do not know the whole story, and do hope I was wrong in my 'stingy' 
comment. 
But a cut was made, this much for the science - this much for grandma. Were I 
to stumble over a lunar, I think I'd place the cut differently - but that's a 
decision I'd have to be extremely lucky to ever get a chance at making.

Yes, pictures would be nice, for us earthlings.

Jeff



 


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[meteorite-list] meteorite hunting laws

2005-05-13 Thread Jeff Pringle
List -
Did anyone notice in the provisional Met Bull 89 that someone found a 13.5 KILO 
lunar in the Kalahari back in '99? Is that old news?

National Parks are off limits, but if I ran across a meteorite in the Nat'l 
Parks of the desert I'd feel obligated to at least point it out to a University 
or the Smithsonian, why should those parkland meteorites not get their chance 
at doing some scientific good?

Hey, guess what - the code of federal regulations ('laws' to you and me) is on 
line and searchable here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html
Some poking around under the BLM section reveals you are fine unless you mean 
to barter or sell to commercial dealers (now who would do that?), in which case 
you need a permit - but I'm sure this is a general rule of thumb 
manipulate-able by lawyers or superceded by other specific regulations. And if 
you found that 13.5 kilo lunar in the Mojave, the gov't could declare it a 
special exception, but you'd prob'ly be able to get them to cough up some 
compensation if they did something like that.
Here is the unedited section of main interest:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 43, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2004]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 43CFR8365.1-5]

[Page 917]
 
TITLE 43--PUBLIC LANDS: INTERIOR
 
CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
 
PART 8360_VISITOR SERVICES--Table of Contents
 
  Subpart 8365_Rules of Conduct
 
Sec. 8365.1-5  Property and resources.

(a) On all public lands, unless otherwise authorized, no person 
shall;
(1) Willfully deface, disturb, remove or destroy any personal 
property, or structures, or any scientific, cultural, archaeological or 
historic resource, natural object or area;
(2) Willfully deface, remove or destroy plants or their parts, soil, rocks 
or minerals, or cave resources, except as permitted under 
paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph; or
(3) Use on the public lands explosive, motorized or mechanical 
devices, except metal detectors, to aid in the collection of specimens 
permitted under paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph.
(b) Except on developed recreation sites and areas, or where 
otherwise prohibited and posted, it is permissible to collect from the 
public lands reasonable amounts of the following for noncommercial 
purposes:
(1) Commonly available renewable resources such as flowers, berries, nuts, 
seeds, cones and leaves;
(2) Nonrenewable resources such as rocks, mineral specimens, common 
invertebrate fossils and semiprecious gemstones;
(3) Petrified wood as provided under subpart 3622 of this title;
(4) Mineral materials as provided under subpart 3604; and
(5) Forest products for use in campfires on the public lands. Other 
collection of forest products shall be in accordance with the provisions of 
Group 5500 of this title.
(c) The collection of renewable or nonrenewable resources from the 
public lands for sale or barter to commercial dealers may be done only 
after obtaining a contract or permit from an authorized officer in 
accordance with part 3600 or 5400 of this chapter.











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[meteorite-list] FW: meteorite hunting laws

2005-05-13 Thread Jeff Pringle
I should mention that the word 'meteorite' only shows up in the federal 
register in regards to Antartic collecting, where they are all consigned to 
science - I am making a presumption that they fall under 'mineral specimen' or 
'non-renewable resource' for the public lands.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Pringle 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:14 PM
To: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com'
Subject: meteorite hunting laws


List -
Did anyone notice in the provisional Met Bull 89 that someone found a 13.5 KILO 
lunar in the Kalahari back in '99? Is that old news?

National Parks are off limits, but if I ran across a meteorite in the Nat'l 
Parks of the desert I'd feel obligated to at least point it out to a University 
or the Smithsonian, why should those parkland meteorites not get their chance 
at doing some scientific good?

Hey, guess what - the code of federal regulations ('laws' to you and me) is on 
line and searchable here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html
Some poking around under the BLM section reveals you are fine unless you mean 
to barter or sell to commercial dealers (now who would do that?), in which case 
you need a permit - but I'm sure this is a general rule of thumb 
manipulate-able by lawyers or superceded by other specific regulations. And if 
you found that 13.5 kilo lunar in the Mojave, the gov't could declare it a 
special exception, but you'd prob'ly be able to get them to cough up some 
compensation if they did something like that.
Here is the unedited section of main interest:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 43, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2004]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 43CFR8365.1-5]

[Page 917]
 
TITLE 43--PUBLIC LANDS: INTERIOR
 
CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
 
PART 8360_VISITOR SERVICES--Table of Contents
 
  Subpart 8365_Rules of Conduct
 
Sec. 8365.1-5  Property and resources.

(a) On all public lands, unless otherwise authorized, no person 
shall;
(1) Willfully deface, disturb, remove or destroy any personal 
property, or structures, or any scientific, cultural, archaeological or 
historic resource, natural object or area;
(2) Willfully deface, remove or destroy plants or their parts, soil, rocks 
or minerals, or cave resources, except as permitted under 
paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph; or
(3) Use on the public lands explosive, motorized or mechanical 
devices, except metal detectors, to aid in the collection of specimens 
permitted under paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph.
(b) Except on developed recreation sites and areas, or where 
otherwise prohibited and posted, it is permissible to collect from the 
public lands reasonable amounts of the following for noncommercial 
purposes:
(1) Commonly available renewable resources such as flowers, berries, nuts, 
seeds, cones and leaves;
(2) Nonrenewable resources such as rocks, mineral specimens, common 
invertebrate fossils and semiprecious gemstones;
(3) Petrified wood as provided under subpart 3622 of this title;
(4) Mineral materials as provided under subpart 3604; and
(5) Forest products for use in campfires on the public lands. Other 
collection of forest products shall be in accordance with the provisions of 
Group 5500 of this title.
(c) The collection of renewable or nonrenewable resources from the 
public lands for sale or barter to commercial dealers may be done only 
after obtaining a contract or permit from an authorized officer in 
accordance with part 3600 or 5400 of this chapter.











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[meteorite-list] First meteoriticist? Criminal!

2005-02-09 Thread Jeff Pringle

I just ran across this paragraph in Doubt - A History by J.M. Hecht - 

The philosopher Anaxagoras is the earliest historical figure to have been 
indicted for atheism - in fact, it seems they wrote the law just for him. A 
meteorite had fallen in 467 BCE and it convinced Anaxagoras that the heavenly 
bodies, including Helios, the sun, were just glowing lumps of metal. Other 
people had this information - the meteorite didn't fall in Anaxagoras' backyard 
- but he was a philosopher and a rationalist and he came to conclusions that 
were not attractive to everyone. This was the origin of a conflict between 
religion and science. Here, new information, new empirical data, led to a 
direct challenge to the way in which the gods were envisioned. This new doubt 
encouraged a new kind of punishment for doubt. Set up about 438 BCE, the law 
against Anaxagoras' atheism held that society must denounce those who do not 
believe in the divine beings or who teach doctrines about things in the sky.

2000 years before Chladni!


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[meteorite-list] mars iron classification

2005-01-21 Thread Jeff Pringle
Looks like some traces of widmannstaetten pattern on day 352 of the 
microscopic imager -
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/352/1M159431474EFF40DPP2936M2M1.JPG
anybody want to try for a visual classification from millions of miles away? 

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RE: [meteorite-list] shock effect?

2005-01-17 Thread Jeff Pringle
Frank wrote:

  Much of the ring structure
appears to parallel the shape of the meteorite suggesting to me that
weathering is responsible for the major part of what we are seeing,
especially if, as I suspect, it was found on a now not so dry lake.

Well, it is a lake bed find, but that parallel shape is a coincidence on this 
one face. The back side of that slice (2mm away) looks like this:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jlp3/images/M0301-7.jpg
And the end that I cut off for the type sample didn't show it at all. It seems 
to be a local phenomenon.
Contributing to my suspicion that it is a shock effect are pre-terrestrial 
(fused by the fusion crust where they meet it) cracks concentrically arranged 
farther out from the dark area.
But I've been wrong before!
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[meteorite-list] shock effect?

2005-01-14 Thread Jeff Pringle
Check out the concentric bands in this photo of my Nevada find -
 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jlp3/images/M0301-8.jpg

Looks like the growth rings of an asteroidal tree.
Presumably a fossilized shockwave, written in darkened silicates - Do you think 
that's the right reason for this structure? 
Any other ideas?
Any other photos of similar effects out there?

Jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Substitution- What if...

2004-12-13 Thread Jeff Pringle
Having seen a couple US desert meteorites and a couple NWAs up close, they seem 
to weather very differently, and the dirt also looks quite dissimilar. This 
prob'ly doesn't hold across the board, but I bet it's true of most. 
If anyone wants to trade some common NWA achondrite for a slice of the new, 
under-classification chondrite pictured in last month's Nevada Picture of the 
Day, send me an email to discuss
Jeff
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RE: [meteorite-list] The Relic and Some Images

2004-10-29 Thread Jeff Pringle
Don't dis the african tribal iron skills- they've been smelting iron from
ore and working it with much skill for thousands of years - they may have
even invented the technology before the romans. As a backyard smelter, I can
tell you it is no easy task, even with electricity  all modern technology.
Someone familiar with art restoration and conservation would probably be
able to remove the staples holding the rock in there without damaging the
artifact - your local museum might be able to direct you to a company they
use.


My immediate thought was that the iron work is made by someone with
considerable skill in metal working, and for a tribe the 1700's in south
Africa that would be some feat. 
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[meteorite-list] Metal-sulfide question

2004-09-14 Thread Jeff Pringle
I ran across this paper - 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1420.pdf
Which mentions dendritic metal-sulfide intergrowths in CR-clan meteorites,
and I was wondering if this is a common feature of impact melts/breccias, or
is it an unusual feature? 
Does anyone have a good photo of this effect, since the one in the paper is
kinda lo-res?
Thanks!
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[meteorite-list] Anyone seen a meteorite like this?

2004-07-22 Thread Jeff Pringle
Check out the chondrule-like structures in this rock:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jlp3/images/M0404-2.jpg

It's harder than steel, softer than quartz and does not react to HCl acid,
seems to lack metal.
Opinions anyone?
Jeff
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[meteorite-list] RE: Stoffler Shock Stage on line

2004-05-08 Thread Jeff Pringle
Jeff Kuyken and list:
Just ran across an on-line copy of Stoffler OC shock classification here:

http://www.museum.hu-berlin.de/home.asp?page=http://www.museum.hu-berlin.de/
min/forsch/forschprojects/planet/asteroidmeteor.asp?lang=1

But it's a 2001 update, not the original '91. 
Good read, though.
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[meteorite-list] RE: Crust and Meteorite Thin Sections

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Pringle
To Mark and list - 

Thanks for the reply and the cool photos!
I realize the actual structure of the rock is what counts, I just happened
to find a meteorite (OC) last year due to it's crust, and am now fixated on
crusts as a way to differentiate earth from space rocks. 
I'll get over it eventually.
I was hoping for a shortcut that involves a less intense level of optical
mineralogy knowledge. Isotropy can be determined with a regular microscope,
two polarizers and some duct tape, but seeing how much anorthite is in yer
plagioclase or separating the various clinopyroxenes is more challenging and
is perhaps impossible without real knowledge and equipment. I've got a copy
of Nesse and am learning as fast as I can, but would still like to be 95%
sure a rock is extra-terrestrial before I bother a planetary scientist with
it for classification. It is the achondrites that are harder to get to that
level of sureness. And if I pick up an unusual rock, I want to know if it's
a meteorite NOW. (Of course, it's easy - the answer is NO!)
But it looks like there are no shortcuts, I will keep hitting the books and
the Ansmet petrographic descriptions, and spend my tax refund on a real
microscope.
Thanks for your help!
Jeff

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[meteorite-list] Telling 'rite from 'wrong

2004-04-16 Thread Jeff Pringle
Any of you who have strolled through the desert looking at rocks have
prob'ly noticed that there are a great variety of weathering rinds and
desert varnishes which look more or less like fusion crusts, depending on
the type of rock and location in the desert. Since fusion crusts are glassy,
they are isotropic and appear black under crossed polarized light. Are any
of the desert faux-crusts also isotropic? 
Is this a reasonable way to tell 'rite from 'wrong?
If you found a basaltic rock with a thin black rind in the desert and the
rind looked translucent red and isotropic in thin section, would you say I
got a meteorite or My, what an interesting caliche?
What other ways of differentiating rind from crust are there?

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