[meteorite-list] please unsubcribe me
Thank you to the many sincere people, who took the time to befriend and teach me. I won't forget you and.happy hunting. Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
Bern writes: Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. Dear Bern, Tom and List, Then we get to the real cause of abundance in theories, when the reality factor is not set in concrete. Such as origin of planets, impact crators from millions of years ago, big bang, big double bang, ect. Theory is the possible answer to a probable event. Only active , inquisitive , searching minds , lots of theories, questions , hard work and devotion to the truthand time, make theories a reality. Example: Mars is a dry planet. How many scientists have been sure of this for how many years? Others had differing opinions or theeories. What it took was the actual now Mars probes, to prove the latter was indeed fact. Theories mean people are questing for truth, keeping the fires of wanting to know the truth, then figuring out a way of finally doing it, like packing a suitcase before a trip. Theories are all good, maybe not right, but good .As past history has recorded, and future history will also attest to. My thoughts. Best regards all, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- I am not quite sure if you know what a theory is: it is a theory :-). Every theory is made up. Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. If the theory does that, one starts to accept it. I fit doesn't you drop it or rewrite it. And not every theory works on paper :-). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off! a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! One of my favorite retorts to manager-types when they come up with some brilliant new idea (which those of us that actually do the work know is doomed to fail) is: Theories always work on paper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon ( O.T.)
Rosie, and remaining List, Rosie,you only said what alot of us felt, that took courage and I , and I'm sure many,many, others respect you for it. If Bill felt he had to fight a battle for reasons only he could explain.. ( possibly what he felt was racism ?) , he's smart enough to know he's lost the war, and I hope he realizes that it's not smart to plant bombs in your own backyard. If the List falls apart , it won't be your fault anymore than it was Marks. It won't even be entirely Bills fault, there have been worse squabbles than this on-list before. We have to straighten out this mess by trying really hard not to let personal attacks and dealer wars carry on to the list. It's our responsibility, part of the conditions of being members That's all. We've just about all done it from time to time, myself included. But at the cost of loosing any more of the List, I think it's time to chill-out and learn from all of this. Can't we all just get along? One of the best quotes of the decade!! Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Dear List... I apologize to anyone I may have distressed by my posts. I stand by my opinions..but I did not mean to stress everyone by sustaining a useless battle. I doubt I will post again for awhile Rosie - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon Would it have been much to make a public apology? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Geotimes - Wisconson Impact Structure
Dear Frank and List. The 1985, geologist William Cordua, mentioned in this article, is now Dr. William Cordua, Professor of Geology and Minerology, at the Universary of Wisconsin-River Falls. And what, the avid list reader would ask, has this to do with meteorites? He has an excellant reference site, covering the entirety of Wisconsin ( State), by County, of the minerals, including Meteorites, to be found here. Has been of immense help to me, in my learning. So for the curious, view: http://www.uwrf.edu/~william.s.cordua/WiscMin.html If this is not an accessible link for some, write me off list and I will rectify, Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares (OT)
Michael F. wrote Lurkers have no right to try and regulate what goes on in a list, if they do not add to that list. Dear Michael, With all due respect,the regulations were established by the I.M.C.A., not Stan or Dave, and we all TRY to keep them. Not all people who don't post are lurkers. Some just don't appreciate or dread the possible repercussions ( this is a good example), that can occur. There are other members that use only their first names or less, but do post, and that is OK . Just possibly? You're reading more into this than was intended ? I don't take criticism well either. : ) Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares (OT)
Michael and List, I have just been made aware of my error, in my recent post. Art makes the rules and regulations, not the IMCA. Sorry. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Virus warning ( O.T.)
To the List, I notified my MSN TV E-mail Support Team, today, e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I had received an e-mail saying that my account was about to be suspended, by suppossedly, webtv. Result: It was not sent from MSNTV (webtv) , and my service would not be suspended. MSN TV receivers are INCAPABLE of getting viruses, or giving them. No Computer, no hard drives or modems. Lucky for me. But warned me to advise people I know that have computers, to run a virus scanner if they can, since it's out there. Adding this message as back-up to one Mark Ford previously posted. Anyone doubting or worrying about the validity of this post can verify info. that I am incapable of getting or passing any virus, notify above e-mail address. Just to put your minds at ease. Regards Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Russell pics / article
Dear Stu, Thanks! got the picture. The looks on both your faces tells the whole story. Beautiful is as beautiful does. Talk about Major Impact of a Meteoric kind! All my Respect, to all involved, and Best Success in future efforts Stu, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun (OT)
Hi Randy, and List, C,mon now people. If we can dish it out, we have to be able to take it. Which I think most will. Man! When I stop to think about what a field-trip Proud Tom or Matteo could have with me, after some of my comments and uneducated blunders, phew!! I am glad I'm not worthy. If anyone had the reserve to not smile or laugh through Matteo's series of photo's, I will guarentee,that the last photo of Proud Tom's smiling visage, with tooth blacked out, got everybody. If you say that didn't make you smile? I will call you a liar to your face. It's called mirth (definition: social merriment) with a twist. As to the Marines? I may be wrong, but I took it to be another humorous, satyrical parrallel referring to we Americans, collectively, and the way we tend to view ourselves. Example: The Proud, the Few, the Best.the Marines. With a litttle Super Hero thrown in for flair! In other words We think we are all that, and a bag of.meteorites. Only Matteo can tell you himself, if this is how he meant it. Regards to All, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello Matteo: I have read your funny parody of the Proud Tom Website. I think that the people that you have made fun of on your web page will view it with humor. Too bad that you must be so insecure that you do not have the same attitude. One thing puzzles me. Why do you continue to attack the Marines? Did the Marines attack you on this list? Do you feel insecure when you are around Marines and this is the way you react? Please let us all know why you hate the Marines. The Real Proud Tom is my Hero and Pultusk is my favorite meteorite. Randy "Faries still the smiles and the struck ones" "This is the course of mine meat" Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun (OT)
Dear Randy, I prefer to look for the best in peope, not an always accurate or dependable, way of doing things, I admit. Like Matteo, whom I don't personally know, except that he has alot of trouble in the translation department. That's why I closed my letter with the comment Only Matteo can tell... ect... That is his option, I did say I could be wrong about his intent. Also, I was brought up in a mostly Italian-American neighborhood, so I can understand, or read between the lines , as you said, having learned through neccesity how to communicate with the American English/ Italian community. Thats whats up with that. Thanks for clearing that up though. Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Marcia: You sure are doing a lot of stretching and reading between the lines to defend Matteo. What's up wit dat??? Let Matteo try tojustify his attack of the Marines without any help and let's see if he can do it. Matteo's silence on the issue has been deafening since my last post. Randy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcia Swanson) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Matteo's Proud Tom Fun(OT) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:45:14 -0600 (CST) Hi Randy, and List, C,mon now people. If we can "dish it out, we have to be able to take it". Which I think most will. Man! When I stop to think about whata field-trip Proud Tom or Matteo could have with me, after some of my comments and uneducated blunders, phew!!I am glad I'm not worthy. If anyone had the reserve to not smile or laugh through Matteo's series of photo's, I will guarentee,that the last photo of Proud Tom's smiling visage, with tooth blacked out, got everybody. If you say that didn't make you smile? I will call you a liar to your face.It's called mirth (definition: social merriment) with a twist. As to the Marines? I may be wrong, but I took it to be another humorous, satyrical parrallel referring to we Americans, collectively, and the way we tend to viewourselves. Example: " The Proud, the Few, the Best.the Marines". With a litttle Super Hero thrown in for flair! In other words " We think we are all that, and a bag of.meteorites." Only Matteo can tell you himself, if this is how he meant it. Regards to All, Marcie Message3.txt Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] University of Alabama Scientist Searches For Life on Mars - Microbes May Eat Iron
Dear Ron and List, How about going down this line, as a possible theory? Not that long ago, the subject came up about Lawrencite, oozing and being in meteorites in Wisconsin , Tennessee, Italy and Russia., while not listed in 99% of meteorite collections. Volcanic areas, I think you posted that last bit E.Jones ,on Oct.23,2003? I have heard it referred to as a kind of chemical weathering process and sickeness to some meteorites after they leave the dry and colder surface of Mars as it is now, but may not have always been., as the recent findings of olivine on surface of Mars, might indicate. Ron B., (the olivine covering of mar's surface) I think you mentioned this also on Oct. 23,2003? The reason it eats the metal quick here on earth is because it is exposed to more air and water, right?And only air tight sealing in dry nitrigen gas can hold off final destruction of the small, amount of meteorites , collected, here on earth thus far, that contain it. Lawrensite has a property called deliquescence, meaning it absorbs water from air and liquifies, to form geenish-brown ooze, that eats the iron contents. Could that ooze, kept under control in Mars's climate, be the microbes that feed off of iron there, as a life form.but change properties, here on earth to iron oxides and hydroclhoric acids, and accelerate rusting, or eating of meteorites, at a rapid speed, if the meteorite or specimen is affected with the Lawrensite ( a now listed , meteoric mineral) due to our atmosphere? Hope not. But to prove or disprove that theory, the specimens will have to be kept in air tight cannisters, ect.? Anybody have any input on this subject and/or the possibiliies? Hopefully I'm totally wrong on my data. It could explain why here on earth there aren't many found to be studied, in comparison to the 99% other found on earth meteorites? Where in space, the iron eating is kept under control. Just wonder what others think? I guess only time will tell. But would be interested in others comments. Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/107329771346791.xml UA scientist searches for life on Mars Microbes may eat iron, may use it to breath KENT FAULK The Birmingham News January 5, 2004 Life on Mars, if it exists, could have iron constitutions. Crawling beneath the rust-colored Martian soil could be tiny microbes that feed off iron. Other microbes could use iron to breathe. University of Alabama researcher Eric Roden believes such odd life forms could or could have once existed on Mars. Such microbes exist in many earthly places, including Alabama. It's well-known that organisms that use iron to gain energy for life are present in many different kinds of geologic environments on Earth, Roden said. He has gotten nearly $500,000 from NASA to study these tiny microbes over the next five years as part of the BioMars project. The University of California at Berkeley-led project is identifying sites on Mars where water - and life - may be or may have once been. Then, researchers will look at places on Earth with similar environments to determine under what conditions creatures could exist there. There's very little reason to expect there are now or ever were plants or animals, on Mars, Roden said. We're talking about microbial life. If such microbial life does exist, it'll have to be just below the surface, Roden said. The planet doesn't have an atmosphere like Earth's that can protect it from constant zaps by dangerous doses of ultraviolet radiation, he said. To survive, life would need to have water, Roden said. The planet - where temperatures average 81 degrees below zero - does have ice, and from time to time it could melt and turn into water just below the surface. As for food, Roden believes some microbes could be feeding off Mars' abundance of iron. This kind of microbe takes reduced iron, which is in a form that contains electrons that may serve as a source of energy, from rocks like basalt, he said. Oxidized iron is what gives Mars its rust-colored appearance. Mars' atmosphere is made up of about .2 percent oxygen - about 100 times less than that of Earth but still probably enough to sustain tiny iron-eating microbes, Roden said. But there's another kind of microbe Roden is looking at - one that breathes oxidized iron and eats hydrogen. Mars does have some hydrogen in its atmosphere and there could be hydrogen coming from fissures in the planet's surface. Iron-breathing and iron-eating microbes can be found in all kinds of geologic systems on Earth, Roden said. One of the best places to find iron-eating microbes is in the acid drainage that comes from coal mines, he said. There's also evidence they feed off the iron from basalt rock found near the volcanic vents in the sea floor on Earth, Roden said. Iron-breathing microbes exist in all kinds of environments, such as deep within the iron rich soils of Alabama
RE: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year
Dear Rafael and List, A time for the new. New finds, new falls, new discoveries, new understandings, new friends. Bring on the new, cherish the old. Happy New Year to you all !!! Highest Regards to All, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Michael, Michael, Michael..tsk, tsk. You jolly fellow you! : ) and List, Was going to reply off- list, like I did in the letter you forwarded publically of mine just now, then decided what the heck, since inquisitive minds want to know ( good one! touchee') I may as well save some time and let you know what is in my head ,on-list. I guess, it's a matter of definition. These are not not JUST Nuns they are Meteorite-collecting, enthusiasts and Nuns, whom I figured deserved the respect and consideration this list has always shown newcomers to our community before. Because of a misunderstanding, or lack of facts, as to their originality of intent on going to Tuscon, I did not figure they would understand or appreciate the sometimes humorous banter we reserve to ourselves as members of THIS list,but knew that they might be made aware of it, as they belong to another list, that is headed by Matteo. Thus, I made the statement to make our List members aware enough, not to get the reception Steve unwittingly got, or give the impression to the Nuns that we were being rude or inhospitable, as a group. Though I won't be able to go, I've been on-list long enough to know, that Tuscon, is a much looked forward to, and supposed to be, a fun. educational and festive gala event, amoung meteorite Collectors, ect.and ALL. Was just trying to help keep it that way Michael. That just about sums it up, as far as my intentions, and what was in my head. Be rest assured, though in my letter to you, you may have misunderstood my humor and intent, if so I apologise for that. Best Regards and R.S.V.P. Michael, if you have any more questions, I'll be glad to answer them, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Marcie, WHAT ON EARTH do you think is going to happen here (or in Tucson) that would be such a disaster? They are just NUNS, for Pete's sake. Really, what is going on in your mind? Inquisitive folks want to know. RSVP Michael on 12/29/03 11:23 AM, Marcia Swanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell you what John. you 'd make one heck of a better 'on the scene, late breaking investigating news reporter, and comedian and strory-teller, with flair, than I do as a Goodwwill peace ambassador ! : )I wonder if Henry Kissenger ever had bad hair days, on tour duty? Of course he did, that's what made him go bald! If Proud Tom opens this keg, I think I may consider early retirement, at least on the Front Lines anyway, less chance of shrapnel. I know Steve thougt it was a joke, and I might have thought so too, if I hadn't known better. But he pratt-fell right into this one, by..being Steve. I didn't see his first post (Dec.26) till Dec.28, when I got back on-line, and was checking my mail., too late to stop the downhill snowball. Saw other members innocently joining in, what seemed to be a joke, and that's why I wrote him On-list, so they all would know the truth, before somebody would say something really whacked, and Matteo would pick up on it,and take offence, or it would be a situation at the Tucson show, with the Nuns. Kind of nip it in the bud, type situation? FORGOT about Proud Tom., lurking somewhere out there between the inner mind and the Outer Limits. End of Story? We'll see. Best Regards, Marcie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:04 AM To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Possible Proud Tom Headline: NUN WANTS TO SAVE METEORITE FROM BREAKUP!! storyline: Sister Mary Meteorite, an avid collector from Georgia, comes to the rescue of the Humpty Dumpty puzzle stone by threatening famous Nevada meteorite dealer Steve Arnold(not-IMB) with eternal damnation if he to didn't put back it back together for good. Steve's immediate response was typical: Does anybody want to trade, buy or sell something, anything?. Steve's Next day Rebuttal Comment to the List: Leave me alone Sister Mary, remember I said I was in it for the Science...and I know the Big Guy will understand, my wanting to share and all. And don't call me Bart. What will happen next??? Cheers, Feverish John PS Tom, please respond to my request to be on the staff. I've got better material I'm sure. This all sounds like fabulous fodder for PROUD TOM. I can hardly wait.. Michael on 12/28/03 9:50 AM, Marcia Swanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, Firstly, hope you had a great Christmas. Secondly, I was really dissapointed, that having left town for Christmas, I missed probably, a chance I may not get again, that being, your trip to Kenosha ( my home town), on the 27th. I really wanted to meet you, and hear your stories about Park Forest, ect. !! Hope you come to visit your friend here again., Were you able to set anything up with anyone else from around
Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Dear Michael, I know if anyone is a pillar of propriety on the list, you are, thats why I made sure I added the endearment and smiley face after the comment. I really do have the Best interests of our List at heart. I was not offended. Indeed, when I first joined, you were one of the first people nice enough to introduce yourself and offer your services and a link to your then website, in April of this year. I am a Believer, but I am not a fanatatic, and try to keep that as off-list as people let me. When you made the post about waking up smelling smoke, and calling for prayers a few months back, I did just that. The comment about being struck by lightening for offending Nuns, was made more tongue in cheek. Sorry you misunderstood my meaning. I was invited to join Matteo's list, a month or more ago. I posted a letter to our list, a note of intent and declaration, that I was going to check it out, last month, and why ( check the archives if you have doubt). I have been reading his posts, but have not addressed this List yet. I am not a tale-carrier, but in this one case, when Steve mentioned the nuns and Tuscon, I know he thought it wasa joke, but having read the posts on the other list, I knew that she was serious, which is why I broke my self-imposed confidentuality rule, to let you all know that it was NOT a joke. I was honestly trying to keep up our reputation, and respect her privacy as an alternative group andas a fellow-meteorite collector, let her know, and others on that list know, that mentioned coming to Tucson, that one person ( Steve), did not represent the feelings of our whole group, and to future meteorite enthusiasts,ect., whatever their slot in everyday life is, as collectors they are welcome. That's all. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and thank-you for the compliment., and explanation. Hope we can put this behind us, I have. High Regards Michael, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Dear Marci, I NEVER would have publicly reproduced your email had I known it was, in fact, a private one. However, it was designated [meteorite-list] in the subject box - I, therefore, thought it had come from the list - even though, when I hit Reply All it failed to include the list address - I thought it was a glitch and pasted the list address back in. Entirely sorry if you were offended in any way. Certainly not my intent, and I do apologize for making a private post public. I consider that VERY poor form, indeed. However, this is something all list members should be aware of: Leaving [meteorite-list] in the subject box of PRIVATE emails leaves a lot of room for mistaken communication: 1) Many of us get TONS of email and do not always read each and every list post, so, your private email may well go unread 2) It could easily lead to the mistake you see here 3) It does not reflect the best protocol one might hope for in correspondence (honestly, no slam intended here, Marci - you are clearly a kind and intelligent person and we are all lucky to have another female on the meteorite list! A rare type, the female meteorite enthusiast). Best wishes to all, Michael on 12/29/03 2:03 PM, Marcia Swanson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Michael, Michael..tsk, tsk. You jolly fellow you! : ) and List, Was going to reply off- list, like I did in the letter you forwarded publically of mine just now, then decided what the heck, since inquisitive minds want to know ( good one! touchee') I may as well save some time and let you know what is in my head ,on-list. I guess, it's a matter of definition. These are not not JUST Nuns they are Meteorite-collecting, enthusiasts and Nuns, whom I figured deserved the respect and consideration this list has always shown newcomers to our community before. Because of a misunderstanding, or lack of facts, as to their originality of intent on going to Tuscon, I did not figure they would understand or appreciate the sometimes humorous banter we reserve to ourselves as members of THIS list,but knew that they might be made aware of it, as they belong to another list, that is headed by Matteo. Thus, I made the statement to make our List members aware enough, not to get the reception Steve unwittingly got, or give the impression to the Nuns that we were being rude or inhospitable, as a group. Though I won't be able to go, I've been on-list long enough to know, that Tuscon, is a much looked forward to, and supposed to be, a fun. educational and festive gala event, amoung meteorite Collectors, ect.and ALL. Was just trying to help keep it that way Michael. That just about sums it up, as far as my intentions, and what was in my head. Be rest assured, though in my letter to you, you may have misunderstood my humor and intent, if so I apologise for that. Best Regards and R.S.V.P. Michael, if you have any more questions, I'll be glad to answer them, Marcie From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 29
Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Dear Steve, Firstly, hope you had a great Christmas. Secondly, I was really dissapointed, that having left town for Christmas, I missed probably, a chance I may not get again, that being, your trip to Kenosha ( my home town), on the 27th. I really wanted to meet you, and hear your stories about Park Forest, ect. !! Hope you come to visit your friend here again., Were you able to set anything up with anyone else from around here? I was really dissapointed at not being able to have been there. Thirdly, the Nun Story, was for real. Matteo is indirectly involved, in that, she is a member of his new Real Meteorite List, website, that he started. I haven't posted to this site yet, but I do get it, over the web. His 9 or 10, and growing, new members, include her, and yes, she ( at least from what I've read) is a legitimate Nun. FOR REAL, Steve! There are also others on his list, that include people who are also meteorite buyers/collectors, in this country, who may, but probably haven't , either accessed our site, or have, heard of it, and DO plan on coming to Tucson. It is open to all Meteorite entusiasts, right? She is also a legimate meteorite collector. More than that, I can't add, because, as I said, I haven't posted to the List, or talked to any of them privately. Thought I'd let you know. Hope your New Year, brings you another Great Fall, like you mentioned. Have a good one. Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUN order from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the meteorite list and thought it would be cool to go to tucson next year.But what is so weird is that want to know if they can go with me.Well as you all know I have round trip airfair there and back.NO ROOM FOR ANYONE!!They thought that I sound like a fun guy and that I could show them the sites and sounds of tucson.What do you think list should I show them all the sites and sounds of tucson???They are going to have to get there on thier own.Maybe they could ask the FLYING NUN to come out of retirement and they could all fly AIRGOD.Well this is one of the most bizarre emails I have ever gotten.Comments of any kind would be welcome.Even proud tom can't top this one.Hey I was thinking, I don't think even MATTEO could top it either.Matteo and proud tom???Nah! It could never be! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] Credit where credit is due
Dear List, Firstly, I would like to add, with Tom Web , my support and Prayers to Steve Shoner, and Family, at a time in his lifetime of Meteorite dedication , that just for once, recognises and gives credit for all the possitive things he has done for this community . How many of us would have the dedication to continue checking rock samples , just after almost dying and fighting ADEM handicapping, requiring therapy, ect? How many of us would listen to what everybody seemed to want at the time, because of all the Ad's they were griping about taking up band-width ( read your archives!). We griped, and sick as he is, he tried to give us what most, thought WE wanted, to keep the meteorite-list, more of an informational site. So what did alot of us do? We filled the lull that he struggled to clear the list with, with what!? C'mon little meteorite-munching commando's, think? OKay, maybe now, the general concensus is that having given us what we thought we wanted at first, turned out to not be what it was cracked up to be, but that's not because Steve didn't Show us the flip-side, right? I don't recall anyone else jumping in and taking over the task. This is still a Great list, we're still gonna gripe someimes, there are enough dedicated teachers, meteorite hunters/deales/collectors/students to make this site the Best it can be, but big #1, has got to be, going back to Art's format to try at all costs to keep the back-biting OFF-LIST, wherever humanly possible. We can still disagree with each other, (it's called having a personal opinion, exchange of idea's, and theories and expertise), but it doesn't have to get so agressive on personal levels, at least on-list. : ) I've slipped myself a few times . Is it too early for New Years resolutions? oh! and Kuddo's to Steve for going throuh this last year of hell, and never once putting meteorites or us out of sight or mind. I call that, real dedication. Best Regards All, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A Sign From Above (Sylacauga Meteorite)
Dear James and Thomas, and List, This is one of those examples where for the better good ( the Prestige of holding a place In Meteoric History , Mrs. Elizabeth Hodges, 1954, First Modern Day Meteorite to strike a person) we have to learn to laugh at ourselves and see the humor. People back then didn't all have the benefit of going to school, too much work to be done, ect. What she has. that some of our more articulate speaking public doesn't is A place in History. Something to be proud of. Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- James, I too felt the article was offensive. Thomas Claudia Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may ask around about the radio. I have a few distant relatives in thatarea. What really eats me about that aritcle is that it makes people that live inAlabama sound like hicks. Not all of us are hicks, though knowing some ofmy neighbors I can sometimes see where others get the idea.James Carroll [Original Message] From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] List) Mailing (Meteorite> Date: 12/1/2003 3:18:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Sign From Above (Sylacauga Meteorite) http://www.megastar.co.uk/news/news/2003/12/01/sMEG01MTA3MDI3MTAxODA.html A sign from above Mega Star (United Kingdom) December 1, 2003 A sign from above November 30, 1954 On November 30, 1954 the first modern day meteorite to strike a personfell to earth in Alabama USA. This is how Megastar's Deep South correspondent reported the startling news... The world will duly end for y'all within the year after a rock-based signfrom the lord almighty struck down the life of a clean livin' lady ofSylacauga, Alabama. Well nearabout. She got a whole heap of bruises and she ain't happy. Mrs Elizabeth Hodges was just fixin' to listen to that evening's radio broadcast of Billy-Bob Evangel's prayers for the terrible dead, when the flamin' rock from hell came a-crashin' through her ceiling. Before Miss Hodges had the horse sense to run from her dog-gone living room, lickety-split the fiery brick of sin - or meteorite as them blasphemous scientists are calling it - bounced off of her radio set and knocked her clean on her purdy hip. "I thought it was some kinda varmint," wailed Miss Hodges after the biblical sign. "I ain't no yaller dog, but I was just tore up by it all. As sure as grits is grits, I'm doomed." Elizabeth's husband, the county Frog Gigger was laying out that night at the city limits bar room, but when he returned to see his house darn tootin' cattywampus, he was quoted as saying: "What in tarnation!" Before collapsing from the intoxicatin' effects of the event. Fiery signs from God are as scarce as hen's teeth round these parts and this lil' June bug was a whole 8.5 pounds and seven inches in length. The state of Alabama is the first place to have someone injured by a brick of sin, though I hear tell a dog was struck down by the almighty in one of them there Egyptian places in 1911. All this marries right with the story of the Chihua hua and the stone of doom (Dwayne, Chapter 6, Verse 2). In other words, run for the hills kinfolk, the day of reckoning has come. Sho' nuff. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Invasion of the Angry Galaxy Meteorites
Dear Adam, and List, I am not a geologist, but I have seen samples of rainbow pyrite. Looking at the close-ups of some of the Galaxy Meteorites, thats what it looks like is crumbs or cross-cuts of rainbow pyrite, which is light in weight, with darker metal mix. But he mentions the weight of his, as being heavy. On each and everyone of his remaining items for sale, in the Sellers payment instructions return policy,in capital lettershe told on himself as far as I'm concerned. SHOULD'NT BE HANDLED BY CHILDREN UNDER AGE OF SEVEN!!! He is evidentally ,not completely without a concience. In Wisconsin, the given rule for any kind of federal or state grant money for housing, is that families with children 6 Years old and under have to have homes tested for LEAD in the painted surfaces, as they are most susceptible to fatal lead-poisoning, not so with adults. As everyone knows, lead is very soft metal, easily meltable, and very HEAVY in weight. Anyone having one of these WOW Meteorites, should have it checked for lead, and thats how we close him down, if I'm right. Even though he warns about kids under 7, he is still selling a product that could potentially kill or make a small child who handles, or God forbid, puts it in it's mouth at high risk! Knowingly using lead in this manner would probably be a criminal offence. Don't think E-bay wants a piece of that action!!! Anyone on list with access to a piece of his merchandise, please have it checked for lead content!!! Better safe than sorry here. Once this is done , he can be closed down, if I'm right, and I really think I am. Then let us know on-list? Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- It looks like man made meteorites are all the rage on eBay these days, this nut has over a dozen listed with a few that even have bids on them. The one with the link below is the most angry looking Galaxy meteorite I have yet seen! It reminds me of that amoeboid creature with the spinning eyeball on the movie Forbidden Planet. This is the most angry looking one yet, kind of reminds me of the psychedelic 60s. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206448265category=3239 I have a feeling that the next type we see will be edible as some of these look like they were made from cake frosting. All the best, Adam bored in damp Seattle __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] Possible poisonous Lead Alert!
Dear List, Upon further reflection after writtting an answer Wed. Nov.26,2003 ,post to Adam, on-list, about my suspicions that Galaxy Meteorites need to be tested for lead content and how I came to this conclusion, I'd ike to add a warning and take it a step further..hopefully, but doubtfully, I'm wrong. To all on listgetting rid of this person from E-bay is important, but what about all and any of his merchandice which has already been sold to non-member (IMCA) public? Possibly , people who may not take the storing and air-tight displaying methods we do, or may just add it to their neat collection of rocks, on their dresser ,accessible to little brother or sister ? A letter to him, informing him that we might be on to him, might make him pull his meteorite line off e-bay, but considering the health risk to any already sold, If I'm right, there's not only a monetary loss to buyers, but a danger alert that should go out publically somehow. Don't give him a chance to disappear, without e-bay taking some public responsibility, or if neccessary the law being involved. Hope I'm wrong,about the lead. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Invasion of the Angry Galaxy Meteorites
Dear List, Rainbow Pyrite Drusy Freeform Cabochons, general pyrite chemical formula: FeS2- making it magnetic, and lead would stick. Often used in jewlery (pendant?) making. Go to : http://www.bernardine.com/gemstones/drusy.htm Look familiar!? Good example of what Rainbow pyrrite looks like. Also bears striking similiarity to Galaxy Meteorites.Okay, I'm done. Thanks for your patience. Have a great Thanksgiving! Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Dear Adam, and List, I am not a geologist, but I have seen samples of rainbow pyrite. Looking at the close-ups of some of the Galaxy Meteorites, thats what it looks like is crumbs or cross-cuts of rainbow pyrite, which is light in weight, with darker metal mix. But he mentions the weight of his, as being heavy. On each and everyone of his remaining items for sale, in the Sellers payment instructions return policy,in capital lettershe told on himself as far as I'm concerned. SHOULD'NT BE HANDLED BY CHILDREN UNDER AGE OF SEVEN!!! He is evidentally ,not completely without a concience. In Wisconsin, the given rule for any kind of federal or state grant money for housing, is that families with children 6 Years old and under have to have homes tested for LEAD in the painted surfaces, as they are most susceptible to fatal lead-poisoning, not so with adults. As everyone knows, lead is very soft metal, easily meltable, and very HEAVY in weight. Anyone having one of these WOW Meteorites, should have it checked for lead, and thats how we close him down, if I'm right. Even though he warns about kids under 7, he is still selling a product that could potentially kill or make a small child who handles, or God forbid, puts it in it's mouth at high risk! Knowingly using lead in this manner would probably be a criminal offence. Don't think E-bay wants a piece of that action!!! Anyone on list with access to a piece of his merchandise, please have it checked for lead content!!! Better safe than sorry here. Once this is done , he can be closed down, if I'm right, and I really think I am. Then let us know on-list? Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- It looks like man made meteorites are all the rage on eBay these days, this nut has over a dozen listed with a few that even have bids on them. The one with the link below is the most angry looking Galaxy meteorite I have yet seen! It reminds me of that amoeboid creature with the spinning eyeball on the movie Forbidden Planet. This is the most angry looking one yet, kind of reminds me of the psychedelic 60s. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206448265category=3239 I have a feeling that the next type we see will be edible as some of these look like they were made from cake frosting. All the best, Adam bored in damp Seattle __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message--- ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay auctions with stories and trying not to laugh too loud!
Dave had said why doesn't he quit feeding his dog oatmeal cookies? Hi Dave, Jeff and List, I'll tell you what...when I saw the meteorrite and read the description info., I was ready to offer to run him up a large bag of dogfood, out of pocket expense, if he'd just promice NOT to sell anymore psuedo- meteorites!! I'm only 15 or so miles south from Racine, Wi. At this point in time, friend or no friends influence and story,included, I am not too worried that anyone would be fooled by this ad, let alone buy at that price!!! The only thing that would make it BAD, would be if somebody actually bought it. The only thing that would make it WORSE, would be if the buyer hails from somewhere here in Southeast Wisconsin In which case, I'll know that the extra radiation leaks, from now closed down Power plant, and the air quality being poor quality from being caught in a cross-stream pattern from 5 different power Plants ,as far south as Louisianna, have finally started taking effect on the hypo-thallmus parts of peoples brains in the area, and maybe it's time for me to think aboutHEADING FOR THE HILLS!!! : ) The only known closest, actual meteorite to here, is the Zenda, chock full of Laurensite. One of ( I think I read on-list not long ago) three, of this type of composition, found anywhere. The Zenda is from Walworth County,Wi., next county west of me. Lake Michigan is directly east of me, Racine to the north, so that only leaves moving south I guess. Oh well, we'll see. Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Failure to communicate...
Dear Steve, Matteo and List, Thinkng about Steve's very revelant point, I wrote to Matteo with, what I thought was the correct translation of what he meant to say. His answer, with his permission for me to share the translation to everyones understanding is attached. Now I hope we have an understanding. Please read Matteo's reply next, then follow down to my translated version. Very Best Regards to All, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello yes +/- is this I want write.thanks for the translation. Regards Matteo --- Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Matteo, Is this what you meant to say? That if YOU had posted a site that made fun of some of the others, would they stil think it is funny, and not be mad with YOU? You feel that is doubtful. It's hard to defend yourself when the person who wrote this, who is an idiot in your eyes. Invisable like a fairy, because whoever did it did not come forward, so you could confront this person yourself to find out why they did this? And you feel like, because others laugh at this childish joke, that you are being singled out and slandered unfairly by the others also? You feel your name and reputation ihas been damaged, and you wish to defend it, but the communication problem between us, makes it hard for you to do this without being misunderstood also? So you contacted the provider of this persons website and left it up to them to decide if the site should be closed? Slander, is not legal. So the site was closed, because the internet-provider does not want to be legally responsible for what Proud Tom says? Matteo, is this what you meant to say? I do not know Italian, but tried to translate what you wrote, and I think this is what you wish them to know? Please write to me back, so I can tell them of this, if it is true. Then they will understand. Regards, Marcie ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Failure to communicate... To: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:18:58 -0800 (PST) Hello Steve I have search and tested all internet translators present but all have problems to translate italian to english. Probably is good I put the text in italian and after who want translate this, if I have close to put emails for this argoumentis others continue to put emails on this. Regards Matteo --- Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, list and all... What I think we have here is a profound lack of communication. I tried Babblefish on Matteo's Italian post and it came out in... well exactly as Matteo originally posted in English. Fairies and Struck ones included. These translation programs do not do very well translating Italian into English. And that does not even address dialects, for there are differences between nnorthern and southern IItalian My only suggestion is for Matteo to be very simple in his words. Use 1st and 2nd grade words in simple sentences, no slang or phrases such as those that would create Fairies or Struck ones in the translation. (if I became a struck one by a meteorite, I would not mind) Just trying to be constructive here, for a lot of what I have seen this idiocy thread is probably due to a lack of communication. Steve Schoner/ams __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Why Meteorites Are Unlikely To Cause Fires
Dear Ron, Charley V., Tracy, George Z., Kevin fly Hill, Elton and List, I want to thank you all for the help and reference material you gave me in answer to my question. As a learner, it was very appreciated. Thank-you. There was one post that never made it to the List, though I was lucky enough to get it off-line. Elton sent it, but says he's had trouble getting his posts through the last few times he tried to post the List. Anybody have any idea what the problem is, and could you please contact him? He so thoroughly explained and answered my every question, and then some, considering the naitivity in laymans terms, that I used, when I posted my question. For the people like me with limitted knowledge it's content is invaluable, and I applaud his effort. He has given me permission to pass his post to the List, as his was lost in transit somehow.Thank-you Elton, Thank you List, Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello List, Marcia, Ron I didn't take the time to convert units of measure so the values here are commingled: Metric and English-you do the math. Here is the input you asked for. Also check the archives 4-5 years back where we discussed the possibility that tektites were hot enough on the right surface to have started a fire. We extensively discussed the plausibility or implausibility of a meteorite causing a fire. Marcia Swanson wrote: Would the same principles be present in a large asteroid disintigtating (exploding/vaporising) just before it impacted on earth within our atmosphere, Yes and No, The principle is the same only there isn't enough time or distance for the momentum to be dissipated entirely for larger bodies. There is a term called cosmic velocity(initial entry speed). This, coupled with mass, relates to the amount of mechanical work that has to be applied to a meteoroid to dissipate the energy/momentum (mass X velocity= kinetic energy). The disintegration of an asteroid liberates heat from a different source(shear) as discussed below. Some mass is lost through ablation and fragmentation, Yes. Both of these allow more air pathways to come to bear on the meteoroid. This spreads the load and speeds the slowing of the mass. Most meteors (i.e. lower mass) expend all that cosmic energy compressing the atmosphere. The atmosphere is as dense as a brick wall when taken in total. At some point gravity becomes the big player and accelerates the meteoroid at the rate of gravity-- 32 ft per sec^2. This rate is further moderated by the air resistance(drag) of the lower atmosphere and the maximum velocity a meteoroid can reach is around 400mph but more typically around 200mph. Lets look into the actual mechanism of slowing a meteoroid. A meteoroid's cosmic velocity (and therefore energy) is spent/ counteracted by displacing a column of air of equal mass. For the moment, disregarding mass loss via ablation, each foot second of travel amounts to a certain reduction in velocity of the meteoroid as the kinetic energy is converted to mechanical energy(foot pounds). The mechanical energy is from moving air molecules out of it's path or squeezing them if they don't move fast enough. This isn't applied all at once but, it is cumulative all along the flightpath. The mechanical energy compresses gas molecules which in turn give up existing heat. Be it Remembered that ...Gas, Solid, or Liquid, all molecules above absolute zero vibrate. When molecules bump into each other they liberate heat. Because there is more space between gas molecules they don't bump into each other as much. In fact they store a fair amount of heat energy hopping around all that free space. However, when something comes along really fast-- before the molecules can flow aside, it supper squeezes them, they have no choice but to shed heat. How this ablates the meteoroid is discussed further below. Larger bodies (e.g over 1 meter ) retain some cosmic velocity for reasons like a cross sectional density that exceeds the amount of counter-pressure the air can generate. In another way, a larger body contains more kinetic energy than the atmosphere is deep enough to totally dissipate. Aerodynamic pressure acts on a falling body such that the front of a large body is trying to slow down while the rear of the asteroid is trying to push through. These internal stresses called shear can cause the body to disintegrate. I have surmised that the colder the meteoroid is inside, the more rigid it is and the more brittle it becomes when exposed to these internal stresses. This could account for why a malleable metal like Iron which one can't break with a hammer at room temperature, can fracture into shrapnel/shards on reentry. Look to the high altitude breakup of Silhote-Alin for an example. This shearing breaks chemical and crystal bonds causing a release of heat energy in a very short time. . If the body is still larger, it reaches the ground in some degree
Re: [meteorite-list] Why Meteorites Are Unlikely To Cause Fires
Thanks Ron,and List, This is a question that has been plaguing me for a while, thus earlier in year, I addressed the List about it, and was told about zero-velocity, ect., but this article breaks it down even more. Thank you Ron. Woud the same principles be present in a large asteroid disintigtating (exploding/vaporising) just before it impacted on earth within our atmosphere, should it make it in that close( Tugunsta and similiar)? In that, the pieces, metal bearing ( heat condusive), would be subject to our gravitational and friction factor, depending on what velocity and distance, they are spewn apart to ? Friction is a factor in our atmosphere, once it explodes here, frozen or not, isn' it ? How much heat, due to our friction, if any, does a shockwave accumulate? I know there is no way of measuring an exact answer for this question, as every occurance and strewnfield is different, but I really don't understand why, under these circumstances, a margin of credability doesn't exist? The provrbial, exception to the rule? Could it be that the shockwave, not the meteorite fragments, itself could create under the right climate ( hot dry) the ability to generate enough heat to ignite combustible earth matter? Excuse my ignorance, but I would sincerely, as a student, like any possible answers or theories to my querry, from anyone that would be so kind. Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] California Burning
Dear Michael, and List. If you will remember the God thread, I DO believe in God and the power of Prayer. Know that I and my family are praying for you and your family, and for the other humanity, and animals alike, that are lost and may be lost in this disaster. May He Bless and protect you all, and give you the courage and strength to deal with the situation. Our Prayers are with you all, Please keep us posted, and realise that if leaving is an option, nothing tangible is worth risking your life for. May my God be with you, and to anyone else on the list with convictions like my own, now is the time !! Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Asteroid, Hermes, May Have a Partner
Howard wrote: No one has come up with sure plan found for deflecting a binary asteroid, let alone two Dear Howard, and List, Sure they have. Unfortunately..the dinosaurs took that secret with them to the grave, before it could be proven. Guess it didn't work. But in the meantime, the human alternative research and methods ,( you would think it would be a primary concern wouldn't you?) since the when? is the only given, are being speculated on. Hope we come up with something better than the dinosaurs did. I don't have Bruce's phone number on hand to ask him , so does anyone know if we do have a real zero barrier, enabling us to deflect an asteroid before it hits that barrier. and not have it hit earth, or was that just in the script? Had to ask naturally, Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- For years, scientists have pondered the added difficulty of dealing with abinary asteroid that might one day take aim on Earth. No one has come upwith a proven plan for deflecting a lone space rock, however, let alone apair. Hey, didn't you guys see Bruce Willis in Armagedeon?? Howard WuWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] moderator?
Randy and list, How about this? For the good of the List, why don't we just take care of our own shortcomings, individually? We know what they are. Alot less complicated. If someone has a gripe, and they feel they can civillally bring it to the notice of the perpetrator. On-List if necessary, great ! Off-list if anger-management technques just aren't a option. Back to the original game plan. Nobody should be keeping score, this isn't a football game. Healthy competition, and constructive criticism is acceptible, key word constructive. I really don't want to see alot of the people that I have come to know, and gratefully learn from, through this list, end up leaving. Sure, there's bound to be minor outbursts, but when it gets to the point where I feel like I'm listening to a mud-slinging Political Ralley, I think we're doing something wrong. So..can't we all just get along? (he should have copywritten that quote, be rich as heck by now!) Seemed like a comparable situation too, bloodless riots though. My Best to All the List, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 6:44 pm witnessed large meteor fall
No news here that I've heard of. But then I'm in Kenosha, Wi.,extreme southeast, on Lake Michigan. Two Counties south of Milwaukee. Any thing from Don Shervey in Waukesha County? Any other Wisconsinites out there? Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- All is quiet. No news reports. Terry ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] mike farmer
Dear Steve and List, I think your letter was very well put, and just about says, what alot of us feel. When I joined this list, I was made aware of the fact, that we are a diversified (multiplicity,variety ) group of individuals, with the common ground, being our individual interests in Meteorites. Whatever facet you fall under, you are part of the whole. That's what makes this list so great. Then there's the fact, that basic human nature dictates, not everyone, is going to agree, or feel the same on different controversies. Shouldn't have to, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to think that anyone is totally right or wrong. Too many grey areas in this field, but individual input, helps put things into perspective. Another great thing about this List. Personally I, as an individual, greatly admire and respect , and can openly admit, envy, Mike Farmers abiities and wherewithal, to do what he is trying to do in India, against all odds. Plus am very grateful, that he is sharing this adventure and insight, with all of us, as it happens. Real passion, dedication and grit !!! Obviously, I am not a business person. But there are many on-list that are. They make it possible also, in their way, to make available merchandise ( meteorites) to buy. A different, but important, sort of contribution,( because, not everyone can, or wants to be, a Michael Farmer). I'm sure there are some that applaud Matteo's Business coup'e in possibly aquiring a piece of India's latest meteorite, without having to go there and get his hands dirty. Bottom line, no matter where you fit in the spectrum.you fit ! It's all about Meteorites. Look at the bright side Michael and Matteo.It could be worse..thankfully, the likelihood of your future sons and daughters, ever meeting, falling in Love and getting married, making you in-laws, will never be an issue. You have much to be Thankful for. Past: Romeo + Juliet , not that far past : Hatfield's and McCoy's, future: Farmer's and Chinellato's. Perish the thought!! Thank your Lucky Stars, for the Atlantic Ocean ! Best to All, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re:Great Meteorite Collections
Dear Fred, and List, Is there anything that we as individuals or as a group can do ? Is this due to some kind of budget cut? What Congressmen do we send our objections and voice our dissaproval to? If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. Maybe instead of shrugging it off, we should let the powers that be, know that WE do not approve of the minimizing of the importance of the study and collection of Meteorites, firstly in Denver, then anywhere else it rears it's head. It would seem that besides discouraging the meteorite trade/collecting with new legal possible laws, even the already established meteorites and public access to them may be threatened, if I am understanding you right? Domino affect. Think about it ! or trickle-down if you prefer. I don't want to start a ruckus on-list ,but I realize that some people like to gripe and do nothing, and then there are those who will take the time to address their disapproval to the proper State and Government officials. If you could advise me Fred, on who to address... off-lne, and to anyone else interested in helping, count me in. Probably a misquote, my apologies, but the message is clear. All that remains for evil to prevail, is that good men do nothing. Dramatic, yes., relevant..yes. Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello Bob, The Denver Museum of Nature and Science (I liked the former name much better, the Denver Museum of Natural History) has a wonderful collection of meteorites, many collected by H. H. Nininger when he had a close relationship with the Denver Museum. That said, forget about the fine collection of meteorites. Drawers full reside upstairs where only staff and the volunteers of the Denver Meteorite Posse (a group of volunteers started by Jack Murphy to hunt down meteorites in Colorado) have access, or had access, as the curator of minerals (which includes meteorites) has been laid off from his job of over 30 years. Jack Murphy, Curator of Minerals, has given a good part of his life to the Denver Museum, only to be laid off along with 10 or 11 other staff members. Other museum staff have resigned in outrage over the layoffs. Volunteers are TICKED OFF! Once again, meteorites get shoved way down the list of museum items to show the public, far behind fossils, stuffed animals and minerals. However, there is one large iron meteorite that children can touch in the new space display. One. No mineral curator, no meteorite display to speak of. This stinks. Regards, Fred Hall / Meteorhall ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] Meteorites in Kenosha, Wisconsin?
Hello List, I was just wondering if any of the list members, plan on going to the Annual Rock show, which will be here in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Oct. 4+5, 2003, sponsered by the Racine Geological Society ? They are associated with the Midwest and American Federations of Mineralogyical and Geological Societies. Most of their membership span Southeastern Wisconsin, and Norhteastern Illinois area. Expert speakers from Yerkes Observatory have addressed this membership covering the subject of meteorites. Rumor has it that there will be Professional Meteorite Dealers and Collectors at the Annual show, this October.. Anyone else hear of this? And if so, coud I see a show of hands to make sure if any of the IMCA will be represented, or make a showing, and know who to look for? Did you know that Forest Park is only approx. 1 hr. and 45 minutes drive, due south, away from here? Hm.m.m.m.? Could be interesting what might turn up at this Annual Rock Show. Please write to me on or off- list with your response, whichever you think is appropriate and I will send you the link. Thank-you, and Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorites in Kenosha, Wisconsin?
OOPs! and Blast! Excuse me List, type-O, I meant to say...Park Forest!! Sorry, Regards Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: FW: [meteorite-list] dronino (in)stability: a solution ?
Dear Mark,
No questioning of ethics Mark, just concern about the fact that there is
a product out here in the States that is used for rust treatment on
automobiles, ect., very similiar to the one you described ,that does
turn the rust to a polymer finish, and like I mentioned to you in my
letter, it chemically changes the molecular arrangement of a compound ,
having same percentage composition as original, but greater molecular
weight and different properties.
Thank-you for replying , and yes, letting an iron rust away to nothing
No hopers, I think you called them, for them , after its been
classified, it is a desirable treatment considering the option.
I guess I was more concerned with a piece that hasn't been classified
yet, that someone like me ( greener than green) might find in an
extremely rusty state, but like you expained, it is to be used at the
owners risk, and if a person is not sure of what type of iron it is,
better not to try and treat it till it is classified. That was my
concern. Thanks for the input Mark. Best Regards, Marcie
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Marcia,
I am not advocating that every Iron be treated in this way, just the
ones where all other hope has gone. All this rust treatment does is
provide a stable coating that protects against moisture and air getting
to the inside, it won't halt all rusting for ever but it's one hell of a
lot better than watching an Iron fall apart and doing nothing! Coupled
with the Hydroxide process it seems to be ok.
I have myself been conducting a series of 'rust tests' for some time,
(results not ready yet..) 15 years ago, I had a rusty canyon Diablo that
was looking really sad, so I discovered this rust treatment and decided
to use it on the diablo, its been fine ever since (although I know diabs
are pretty stable anyway.. I have since used it on a couple of other no
hopers.
I don't know the exact chemistry involved but the stuff I use ('KURUST')
is a white liquid (like milk) that you brush on and leave for 15 minutes
any rust is then turned black. I don't believe it is a polymer it is
more like oxide/magnetite, and it only coats the outer surface and
doesn't seem to touch the 'clean' metal.
Steve is right in that it makes the rust black, but isn't black better
than rust red!!?
Since rust is a terrestrial byproduct, I think you can justify on
ethical grounds replacing it with another terrestrial coating, after all
what is lacquer if its not a manmade coating?
If you use the sodium hydroxide process it doesn't remove the black, the
idea is just to neutrilize any unwanted contaminants.
The bottom line is, you are putting on a coating which drastically slows
down the rusting, you will never stop a nantan from rusting completely
without putting it into a total vacuume. But this seems to work for me,
However use at your own risk. If you wanted to remove the black coating
a wire brush will most likely get it off.
If we are questioning the ethics of rust stabilizing and blackening the
surface - A lot of sikhote Alins on the market are suspiciously a clean
shade of black after all these years in the ground ...? ?
Mark Ford
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RE: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting question
Hello Warren and List, Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought to mind a question of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on or off-list, by yourself or other list members. I understand that when hunting on private property, you are supposed to get (written?) permission. I know that different Countries have different rules on whether or not a meteorite is property of finder or confiscated by government, or percentage of it taken for identification and record and display at museum, ect. My questions are regarding meteorites found in USA. What EXACTLY are the rules to guarentee that if you find one, say on public land ( State Park, lakeshore, river-bed, dry-lake, abandoned gravil pit, ect.) you can claim it without fear of confiscation, by State or Local authorities? I know this was an issue with the F.P. that supposedly bounced off the public sidewalk before hitting a home and was confiscated by local authorities ( Sorry to bring that unfortunate issue up), and there have been other instances. Is it the amount of money ( it's worth) that determimes whether or not a counter-claim is laid on it by local, state, or is it the classification of the fall or find that again,makes it confiscatable? To be classed, especially if it were something really significant, you do have to say where it was found right ? How does this work? When something is found on private property, after having been given permission to look, what is the obligation of the collector in regards to payment to land- owner, should a possible meteorite, or a meteorite be found, or land owners right to counterclaim pwnership rights? I would truly appreciate guideline answers on some of these questions please, or reference reading material? Thank-you and Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Just wondering who owns these areas you "cold hunters" are searching? Are areas like the Gold Basin and Bonneville Salt Flats publicly owned or do you make arrangements with individual land owners? WarrenJoin Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web! ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] August Fireball over Arizona
Dear S. Culver and List, Glad you posted and welcome. I have learned that while my incessant questions may bother some, for the most part, there is always some person on the list, that will be gracious enough, to take the time to answer you, on or off-list. I've also noticed that there has been alot more people posting that have never done so before. I think that's a tribute to you all, and encouraging to all the list-members concerned with proper education of meteorites. Input is great. The thirst for the truth finds you. The web-site Ann Black and others were talking about is a big step in the right direction too. Really feel priviledged to be a small part of it all, and be able to learn and enjoy the posts. The Best to the List, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Greetings to all, This is my first post, been receiving the list for a couple of weeks. I have to say it is both educational and entertaining. Just wondering if anyone saw or heard of a fireball over west central Arizona about 5am the first week of Aug. 2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Elma status
R. Verish wrote the Elma matter isn't a problem in itself, as much as I see it being a window into other areas... Dear Robert and List, I'm in total agreement with what Robert said. I think everyone should look at the big picture, isn't that what science is about? Do we presume to know EVERYTHING there is to know, based on what is already established? Is there no room for new discovery ? And if it isn't researched, how do we judge the validiy and import? Am I missing something here? Robert used the term science Growing . Key-word: growing !! Expansion of knowledge, through research. If it fell from the sky, cannot be identified, by established standards, don't you think it's important enough to find out what the heck it is? I do. Curiousity if nothing else has, everyone waiting to see what the results are, even if it's just to sit smugly back, and say See! I told you so! So why don't we try to be a little more supportive of the guys trying to give us the answers? An Effort is being made. That, is the first step in the big picture', and worthy of recognition and in my books.respect. We are a 'Community', right? Right? Okay.blast away, if it suits you. Or educate me. On or Off-list for the back-biters. What-ever you think is appropriate. I learn either way. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW BLOOD
Dear Terry, and other involved List-members, I'm really glad you made that post. It's great to know there are people like yourself, who not only have an avid interest in educating the kids (big, little, young, and old) in Meteorites,and fossils, but so thoroughly enjoys, putting the dreams and star-like twinkle in their eyes, or back into their eyes. If I had a dollar for every kid I've heard say I'm Bored, I'd have a collection that would rival anyone elses! Meteorite study, education, and hunting can do that. It's a constructive, fun, exciting thing to do for them, and for the person taking them. It's a place to go anytime, that doesn't involve wasted thought and worry on how messed up, this world can seem to them. A Special Place to be. It's been my observation too, that I very rarely find someone who is uneffected. Hope to hear more from you, time to time, on your effort and reward. Will be watching for your new site. To all of you.keep up the good work. Highest Regards, Gratitude and Respect, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Greetings. This is my first post, and I wanted to chime in and say that I am not sure there is anything more important than what you all are doing right now with children! For the last 7 years, I have been going to schools that my children attend (and others) to teach different classes about meteorites and fossils. For the last 5 years, I have left substantial portions of my meteorite and fossil collections at many schools for the teachers to use. I also volunteer at other schools and camps in the area doing meteorite and fossil shows. My last show for 15 ten year olds at a conservation camp two weeks ago was outstanding. I brought in many pieces of my collection, including a 26 kilo Sikhote Alin, a 35 kilo NWA, a 1.92 gram piece NWA 1195 Martian, Allende, Park Forest (I live in Illinois) and many others. You should have seen their faces when I let them each hold a real piece of Mars! I think the counselors were even more amazed. They were adults acting like kids! I talked about the process of Lunar and Martian meteorites making it to earth, the Amino acids in Murchison, Star Dust in Allende, a large meteorite possibly ending the reign of the dinosaur, etc! All of the kids are sitting in amazement (as were the adults!). I also showed the kids what a meteorite stick was and bit about how to hunt for meteorites. The next day, the camp went hiking and all day the kids were looking for meteorites with magnets and a few meteorite sticks that I let them borrow. 5 parents separately commented that it was all their kid talked about all night, that they were going out to buy magnets, and two told me I had created a meteorite monster! At the end of the show, I gave each child and each counselor a small (10-15 gram) Sikhote Alin with a label from MeteoriteLabels.com. The investment to me was more than worth it! They were all thrilled and amazed. They each went home with an amazing rock from space; something they will remember (hopefully!) for a very long time. I think some of the adults at my shows view my interest in meteorites as a bit eccentric. I get very animated and passionate when I talk. But I have never seen a kid react with anything but sheer joy, genuine amazement, and complete intrigue at the possibilities surrounding meteorites. I have seen the spark many times in children, and if I have been able to further their imagination through my shows, that is a great gift to me. P.S., If some of you have some spare time (which I do as I have been fortunate to retire very early), it is not only children that love this. Take and hour of your day and do a show at a retirement home with the elderly. Watch them turn into little kids :-) All the best to the list. I find your collective information of great help to me, as it educates me and helps me get the proper information to the people who are just learning of this great hobby! Terry Boudreaux StarMeteorites (no web site yet, but coming soon :-)) ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW BLOOD
Dear Mark, You're so right about the children! It was my introduction to a supposed, but thought real, meteorite in my town, that sparked my imagination and interest as a child, that has stayed with me all my life. I have all my kids, and Grand-kids and now their friends, into collecting, and what that means. If I don't have an answer, I refer to the list, as a reference point, as I too, still have alot to learn. The meteors, comets, asteroids have always been the source of everything that is magical, mystical to a child. Walt Disney Productions, helped propigate that mystique, by associating them with wishes come true, swinging on a star, the twinkling star at the end of a wand, ect., to children for over 50 some years. Not a scientific observation, but one that deserves to be recognised. : ) The rest is up to us. The feeling you get looking at their lit up faces and rapt attention is a reward in itself, and Paying it forward works. Great Letter Mark! Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Michael and The List, There are few rewards greater than sparking the imagination of children. I personally enjoy spreading the meteorite message to them because they are so keenly receptive to the rocks. The first time I did this with meteorites was with two little girls across the street from my uncles' home in Pasadena, CA. These daredevilsloved to race up and down the street in this little pink electric car waving toeverybody as they went. One day I went over with a couple of Nantans and gave them the "shooting stars" and told them to go show them to thier classmates on "Share Day"; then I gave thier parents a lesson on Nantan and its' history. I believe someone came up with the term "Paying it forward" for this type of activity. I've found that you never know when or how it will come back to you, but it usually will; sometimes several fold. It can only be good for all of us in the end. Give it a try sometime and see. Kindest Regards, Mark Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
Although near midnite on September 24, 2002, the flying object was registered, according to U.S. Defence Department.. Dear Ron and List, Again, keep in mind that I am asking about a possible theory or theories, considering the comparison of unconfirmed data, in all to be mentioned events. I saw a televison account with actual picture of the aftermath of the alleged Tugunsta Asteroid. The pictures I've seen of the area in the alleged Vitim Meteorite, were almost identical. Specifically, in the evidence of large area of burnt trees. ( Where does zero-velocity fit into the fiery devestation?) Anybody? Please advise? Also, I could't help but wonder in comparison, about a theory I had heard about in the event of The Great Chicago Fire, October 8, 1871. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow took the rap for this one, but one state away (north), in Wisconsin, in the city of Peshtigo, on the exact same day as Chicago, Illinois Fire, that devestated a large portion of that city, Pestigo, a lumber mill town in Northern Wisconsin, and miles of lumber country were also devestated by a fire that surrounded the city of Pestigo, and forced every living thing into the Green Bay Harbor, (Great Lakes) to attempt survival. There was a larger fatality rate in the Pestigo Fire, but was upsurped by the importance of the Chicago Fire, thus the media focussed on it, at the time. In both cases it was proclaimed that it had been an especially dry hot summer. A television documentary, (and fact that I visited Pestigo Fire Museum, while up there), gave evidense of fireballs being reported as seen, previous to both fires, with a possible 3rd. fire somewhere in Minnesota, that same day, also with previous reported fireball sightings. Much the same as fire devestation as in Tugunsta, and Vitim. events. If anyone has heard or can enlighten me about the verification of fireball sightings , or any info. on the fires in Chicago, Il., and Peshtio,Wi., on October 8, 1871, please contact me off-list if that is necessary, because of the possible controversy, and Bandwidth situation . Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
Dear List, So sorry, upon further investigation, I realized I had spelled the name of the City, Peshtigo, (not Pestigo, as I wrote previously ), Wisconsin, wrong. Please excuse this error. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re listening to meteors..
In response to another aspect of our hobby Thanks alot Mark, appreciate your getting back to me and links. Best Regards, Marcie : ) ---BeginMessage--- Marcia List, I also found this link on using a normal FM radio (but it would work with AM/SW) http://www.space.com/spacewatch/leonids_spacewatch_021115.html Of course with the annual Persied meteor shower coming up it might be worth try. Here also is a list of annual meteor showers.. http://comets.amsmeteors.org/meteors/calendar.html Have Fun! - Its yet another interesting aspect to our hobby. Mark ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Mr. X wrote, maybe it was hot ashalt that boy burnt his hand on.. Dear List and Mr.X, Another thought, wouldn't the samples we've seen have been coated in that same melted asphalt, hot enough to melt divets in surface, supposedly landed on, if their story is accurate? Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? I'm asking questions, because I dont know. Hope this last question doesn't turn out to be Governmentally Political ! Cripes!Thanks, and Rgards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tektites?
To Tom and List, I don't know Tom, but would like to know,what is the number one theory of where tektites came from? Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello Good List, What is the number one theory out right now of where Tektites came from? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Here's a NEW TOPIC
I messed up on meteorite-list address,the first time I sent it out. Sorry. MarcieHope this is allowed. Not a home p.c., will reprint if I have to. ---BeginMessage--- Dave and List, I am in agreement with Dave F., as I'm sure all of us that, for whatever valid reasons we thought we may have had, in speaking out , did so, against list policy, myself included. Gregory has offerred some possible assistance in an alternative mini-list, if possible, and has requested, if we can't talk to each other Off-list, or quit this thread, is a really good and fair alternative, for people to discuss their Beliefs and Theories on this subject. Obviously, there is a need for it, but there is a greater need for us, as a Family of Sorts, a Community if you will, of People who DO have one thing in common, and that is our love of meteorites and learning and the commoradery we share, except where Religion and Politic's are concerned. We get to know each other off-list, and that sometimes carries over. I have met alot of really great people since I joined the List, and regardless of their other views, cherish having met them and learned from them, on many levels, On and off-list. I would hate to loose that opportunity permanently. Time to knuckle-under, maintain our personal beliefs,and try to work at making this the Great Site, it can be.a meteorite site. Where we can disagree with an opinion , or offer an opinion . We are all like meteorites. We come from different places, indivduals, all special in their own right. Now that the cards are on the table, I think we need to get back to the original format. Remember...there's always off-list! :) With Peace comes Understanding. I'm not being a traitor to my beliefs, just don't want to see this ship go down, we're all on it together. OK Everyone? Best Regards, Marcie ---End Message---
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] Where Did The Moon Come From?
Dear Mark J., Mark F., and List, I am answering a question with sincere intentions. For the faint of heart, and all those on the list who feel this is inappropriate, please push the delete button right NOW ! You have been dutifully warned !! I have no wish to offend anyone, or convert anyone against their will, to my way of thinking. Any further comments on the subject to me, please do off-list, as we have the band-width situation. Thank-You, Marcie If it were against our nature as humans to not tackle to improve (inventions), or understand (research:eg. Mars probes) what is not yet knowable, we would till be living in caves and using our appendixes to flter out the stones, in our food, and on a personal level...forget meteorite collecting, we'd be quivering in our caves in fear, not collecting and trying to understand why, where, ect. ! In modern human Society, if instructions and directions were not a neccessary tool in life, they wouldn't put expiration dates, poison alerts, how-to put it together papers in packages. We wouldn't instruct our children, and back it up with rules, on what the can and can't do to stay alive, whats right, whats wrong. Why do we do it? Love? A lot of people don't believe in that either and say it's an insane concept, but we keep doing it . Look back in time, before all the marvels of technology. All the things that if they had been left unquestioned and uninvented because everybody said, they were insane concepts, that could never be realized, which puts us back in caves, munching on rocks again (and no air-conditioning!) The Bible says, We were created in His image. Think about that. Then He proceeded to finish creating a whole universe. Something beyond our nowtimes human comprehension, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened that way. Obviously our Creator was evolved above our level of understanding, but passed along, with our existance, a trait that has enabled us to evolve to where we are now in understanding and technology. Are you really that sure, that we are the only live civilization in time, and the universe!? Or that we are the most advanced? If so, why are we seeking beyond our world for life on other planets!? When you create something, you love what you did ( it was good), to make sure it stayed in existence there has to be rules for continuum. We were given all that, and with it Free Choice. Bottom line is.. It's up to you, what to believe. Your choice. It's an entitlement. Use it, or discard it, as you will. I can and have only told you what your questions asked, as far as what my own comprehension and belief dictate. Not my job to Judge. Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Indeed, You have to ask yourself why would an entity create a universe (especially given the colossal amount of mass/energy/planning required), and why it would have any interest to the entity whether any of its inhabitants drink alcohol or dont go to church? its just an insane concept. -Original Message- From: Mark Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 July 2003 11:41 To: Marcia Swanson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Where Did The Moon Come From? Tom and Marcia, With all due respect for your opinions: I'm sorry guys but . . . to think that any entity capable of creating this completely vast universe could have the slightest interest in this little dustball we live on; much less the concerns and cares of the six billion tiny virus spores (that's us) living on it, is so utterly ludicrous to me as to make me want to scream. The ruler of the cosmos is chaos. Chaos is not evil; it's not necesarily disorder or disarray. Chaos can also be order. Chaos is the unknowable future. It's in charge of the planet killing asteroid that will extinct us tomorrow or the next day. It's happened six times on this planet already. It will happen again. To us. I am very comfortable withthis opinion as I'm sure you are with yours. Peace to you and all my fellow virus spores. Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ---End Message---
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Where Did The Moon Come From?
On Wed., July 9th, Tom wrote..Hey! Don't you think it would be cool if that happenned? Right Tom.. and it all makes PERFECT sense! That just about says it all. Wouldn't it be ridiculous for mankind to take billions of years, only to have to concede the fact that this all, could not have happenned by accident? That everything is just too precise, and specifically balanced to have been a coincidence, that it cannot be scientifically explained any other way, then to acknowledge the existance of The Creator? Probably not Politically correct to bring this up on-list, but I stand with you on this Tom, right out in the open..where it started and will ultimately end. It does pertain to the heavens and the firmaments, so as we are all entitled to our opinions on this, I believe we are within our list- boundaries also. Bravo Tom. Highest Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hello List, Boy this is neat, just think, a giant asteroid struck the earth, sent debris into space and it formed our Moon. Not only that, it formed the perfect distance from the earth (by chance) to perfectly block out the sun during an eclipse. What are the odds of that? Any closer or further, it would not work. If the moon was not it's exact size and distance, the moon just would not do what it does and the earth would be in great trouble. The odds of this all working right are about the same as another theory, Evolution. The odds of these two theories working just blows my mind It almost seems like someone had to plan this all out. Can you imagine, someone with a great mind Creating the universe and all that's in it. Maybe like; In the beginning someone created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of the someone was moving over the surface of the waters. And then that someone said, Let there be light; and there was light. And this someone saw the light, that it was good: and he divided the light from the darkness. And he called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And He said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And he made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And he called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And he said, Let the waters under the Heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And he called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and he saw that it was good. And he said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and he saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. And he said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And he made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And he set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and he saw that it was good. Hey, don't you think it would be cool if that happened, Oh wait, I think it did and we call Him God Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Where Did The Moon Come From? http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/7/4 Where did the Moon come from? Katie Pennicott Physics Web 3 July 2003 Astronomers believe that the Moon was formed when a Mars-sized body smashed into the Earth, ejecting matter into orbit and lengthening our day to its present value of 24 hours. Until recently, however, estimates of much of the Moon is impactor material that came from this impactor object, as opposed to the Earth, have varied wildly - from 1 to 90%. Now, by comparing the compositions of lunar and terrestrial rock samples, astronomers in Germany have calculated that no more than two-thirds of the Moon is impactor material. Moreover, they estimate that the Moon must be at least 4.5 billion years old (C Munker et al 2003 Science 301 84). Carsten
Re: [meteorite-list] Want a Piece of the Moon?
Dear Tom, Um.I hate to be the be the bearer of bad news but obviously you didn't read the fine print in your contract. You have to build a house and live there for 5 years before you can claim ownership. See? They're right on top of things, even in Mars! Sorry. :' Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- List, I did this and I have Mineral rights All Martian meteorites found on earth just happened to come from my 10 acres on Mars I want you to all send me my mars rocks, they are my property! That includes Allan hills! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Ken O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Want a Piece of the Moon? http://www.moonestates.com/cat_Mars.asp Purchase a 1 acre plot on Mars for only £14.25 plus registration fee, VAT and PP; £19.99 in all. With each property purchased you will receive a Deed, Constitution, Property Map, *Mineral Rights*, and a copy of the original Declaration of Ownership. In addition 10-acre plots are available. Now all I have to do is work out how to get the rocks back to Earth ! Or maybe I could sell them on Ebay with the previso the buyer has to collect them personally ;-) Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 07 July 2003 19:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Want a Piece of the Moon? Dear List Members, I found this link entertaining: http://www.lunarembassy.com/ All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Dear Walter and John and List, The U.S. Dept. of Energy since 1995, has had a Hoax page, that covers every known and updated scam letter scheme and who you can report these to, to eliminate them. It's good to keep and check in with every now and then, and be aware of, Before you become a victim. The letters you are both mentioning come under the corruption scams, in their CIAC Catagorie Page. They stay right on top of everything . Two of the newer scams listed, in this catagorie, are the Pay-pal update scam, and the E-Bay scam. The address is : http://hoax-busters.ciac.org Definatley worth checking out for nuisance letters or other questionable chain letters. Hope this helps. Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Hi John, from people with foreign sounding names wanting my help to transfer several million dollars out of their failing country into the USA. I feel quite This is no lie and I am not exaggerating. I get that one, and it's variants, several times A DAY! It is really quite aggravating as they keep changing their send from email address, making it impossible to block. I have seen several news reports about how dealing with spam is costing business several million dollars a year. I can understand why. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change List, About six months ago, I was getting as much spam as I was getting mail from this list. I changed my ISP and started off with a different email address and had remarkable results. For the first three months, I got almost no spam. Then the numbers started increasing. Maybe the solution is to change your email address a couple of times a year. This creates all sorts of problems and some of the folks that you only email once a year or so might not get the news of your email change. One thing I did notice with my new email address though was a LOT of emails from people with foreign sounding names wanting my help to transfer several million dollars out of their failing country into the USA. I feel quite impressed that they picked me because they heard, from a business associate, that I was a reputable and trustworthy person...;-) Best, John At 08:28 AM 7/8/03 -0400, magellon wrote: All, Thanks to those who replied to me off line. The problem is greater than I expected and goes beyond the List and ebay. I checked with some AOL users who do not even subscribe to any type of list or ebay and they have had increasing spam coming directly to their email address starting about 45 days ago... Sorry for being OT. Best, Ken magellon wrote: Mark, I too have been getting a tremendous amount of spam since June. How about others? Best, Ken http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
Dear Mark and List, As Mark was so kind to inform me, I gave out the wrong URL earler today, for hoaxbusters. It is actually : http://hoaxsbusters.ciac.org/. Thank you Mark, and please excuse the error folks. I'm not working off a home p.c., but snailing it through with webtv, so alot is different. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Hello List, I just wanted to tell all of you who stepped up to the banquet table, for a portion of crow, on-list, no matter how you had it prepared, I really respect you for that and I am really proud to know some of you, and even prouder that there was no hesitation on your part to partake. A pretty special bunch of guys! Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
