[meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Please stop this. thank you. hope all are well and enjoying the weekend. take care Susan Patton - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Check out the rating on the dems in the house. Gallup says it is below bush. They all suck. Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:50:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GREG LINDH[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Mike, In your post to me, *you* didn't keep silent, did you, Mike? Nope, you confirmed what I wrote to Paul. You once again bashed Bush (while dishonestly failing to even mention the dismal ratings of the Democratic controlled Congress - 9% approval) on a list devoted to METEORITES. I couldn't care less about your ignorant political proclamations. I'd be more than happy to talk about meteorites, and *only* meteorites, if others like you would do the same. But until then Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Really, why don´t you take a vaction to Acapulco. Life is too short. Get a new attitude. If you enjoy venting about such crap, it could be time for a vacation and to turn off the TV and late night talk shows. Or a meteorite chase in Southern Chile. Why hasn´t it been mentioned the new fall there... The world is still a wonderful place. I heard most Americans just got $600 free from the Tax Man thanks to everyone´s favorite ...(I´m tongue-tied for an appropriate name call). Sounds like serious meteorite money to me from out of the blue, if you don´t take that sorely needed vacation. Best wishes from latitude 13.5 north and the Pacific :-) Doug -Originyo ca al Message- From: batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Please stop this. thank you. hope all are well and enjoying the weekend. take care Susan Patton - Original Message - From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Actually Greg, you are mistaken. What Paul wrote was correct and in no way viloating list policies since he merely told Don that the list was not the place for that. It was you who brought up Bush and Obama, I just kicked in since you did it, I did it. It is Don, you and Myself and Matt who are wrong. As I said at the end of my email, it would be best for all to not go there. Hopefully this ends here. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:27 PM Mike, In your post to me, *you* didn't keep silent, did you, Mike? Nope, you confirmed what I wrote to Paul. You once again bashed Bush (while dishonestly failing to even mention the dismal ratings of the Democratic controlled Congress - 9% approval) on a list devoted to METEORITES. I couldn't care less about your ignorant political proclamations. I'd be more than happy to talk about meteorites, and *only* meteorites, if others like you would do the same. But until then Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Hi all, As a proud member of the vast Right Wing Conservative Movement I think no one could say it any better than the late Great President Ronald Reagan. Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS THE PROBLEM Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:42 AM Actually Greg, you are mistaken. What Paul wrote was correct and in no way viloating list policies since he merely told Don that the list was not the place for that. It was you who brought up Bush and Obama, I just kicked in since you did it, I did it. It is Don, you and Myself and Matt who are wrong. As I said at the end of my email, it would be best for all to not go there. Hopefully this ends here. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:27 PM Mike, In your post to me, *you* didn't keep silent, did you, Mike? Nope, you confirmed what I wrote to Paul. You once again bashed Bush (while dishonestly failing to even mention the dismal ratings of the Democratic controlled Congress - 9% approval) on a list devoted to METEORITES. I couldn't care less about your ignorant political proclamations. I'd be more than happy to talk about meteorites, and *only* meteorites, if others like you would do the same. But until then Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
You [he] sure got that right. In our democracy, choice is always about the lesser of evils. .,governments are instituted among men [and women] ..,It is their right, it is their duty, to change that government So choose and shatup! It's always been a crap shoot but losers are either good sports or pains in the a$#. Blame is one way to deal with frustration but reality doesn't change. I voted Republican last time and I've got no feeling of shame [subject line-even though the subject's changed]. However, Now I'm dubious again. The choice is not as clear-cut to me as some might see the upcoming election. So I'll continue to read and listen and try to decide. Once I choose I'll try to be a good sport But Democracy is an oppositional form of government isn't it. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Hi all, As a proud member of the vast Right Wing Conservative Movement I think no one could say it any better than the late Great President Ronald Reagan. Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS THE PROBLEM Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:42 AM Actually Greg, you are mistaken. What Paul wrote was correct and in no way viloating list policies since he merely told Don that the list was not the place for that. It was you who brought up Bush and Obama, I just kicked in since you did it, I did it. It is Don, you and Myself and Matt who are wrong. As I said at the end of my email, it would be best for all to not go there. Hopefully this ends here. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:27 PM Mike, In your post to me, *you* didn't keep silent, did you, Mike? Nope, you confirmed what I wrote to Paul. You once again bashed Bush (while dishonestly failing to even mention the dismal ratings of the Democratic controlled Congress - 9% approval) on a list devoted to METEORITES. I couldn't care less about your ignorant political proclamations. I'd be more than happy to talk about meteorites, and *only* meteorites, if others like you would do the same. But until then Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Greg, you are indeed right, Bush has driven this country into the toilet, more banks failed today! My grandmother told be about the 30's and bank failures, I never thought I would see it happen, but Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. In my book, anyone with a 20% approval rating sucks! Now, it would be best to keep silent on this, notice how no one responded to Don's post, perhaps we can leave it alone now. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 7/26/08, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:05 AM Paul, I think you'll find that Don's type of post is perfectly acceptable to the majority on this list as long as it is against President Bush and the current administration. Try writing a similar post against Barack Obama and just watch the fireworks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Don, Is there some other, perhaps more appropriate, list you can use to vent your political views? Paul Swartz Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Hi Maria and Members, Being a newby in the IMCA community, i know little about Gary Foote. I just know he needs help. So, i help. Maybe biding on items by email or phone is the reason why nobody placed bid on them. Try it on Ebay and AD it on the list as well. Try it. Best, Ma Lan IMCA #8234 --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:58 AM Mal, respectfully, you¹re out of line here. Asking people to contribute out of the goodness of their hearts is one thing; attempting to SHAME them into giving is arrogant and oafish and counterproductive. Charles A. Miller IMCA 1292 On 7/24/08 8:26 AM, Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in the reception/ turn-out thus far as related to the number of people on this list who have reached out and made some sort of gesture of goodwill by donating something, anything, to help a fellow community member who has REALLY undergone a horrible ordeal and still is in the midst of it -- not to mention what his wife, CJ, and other family members are having to deal with! Where are all of the 'BIG' dealers, all of the truly well fortuned collectors who have SO much that to offer up a single piece from their vaults of space treasure would be of little, if any noticeable, loss to them! Take a moment and each one of you think what it would be like if it were you in Gary's position? How would you then feel about your treasures compared to what dark, and foreboding place you now find yourself in. I'll be outright honest, I feel sort of ashamed to be associated with a community that apparently doesn't mind trying to always acquire more and more personal bounty from space, but are maybe just a little too reticent in giving up something, make a sacrifice to help a fellow 'kinsman' with the vary same passions and desires -- at least he did at one time until something much more important stepped in its place to unveil some truth of the duality of life. There is fortune and good, and then there is much suffering, loss, and indescribable pain and fear around the next bend waiting for ANYONE at ANYTIME!!! I'm sorry in advance if I'm off base, way out in left field, or just sound plain bitter, angry, or what ever label ya'll wish to place on this or me, but all I can say is it is a shame when you have a list comprised of hundreds of folks worldwide supposedly not only interested in a hobby, and appear to want to share and communicate with one another (hence why a list like this exist in the first place, correct?), but don't seem to want to reach out when a time like this comes upon us to help one of our own !!! I know times are getting harder financially , especially maybe here in the US for a lot of us, but still many of us are finding it possible to still invest and spend on ourselves and indulge our hobbyist desires and whims, so why then can't some of you ,if not all, offer something to show your true care, compassion, and concern, not just for another human being, but for one of us for goodness sakes! Again, I know I will probably receive some distasteful responses due to my putting my nose where maybe a lot of you feel it may not belong, but it is rather disgusting to see talk always going on about what's for sale, what I want, what can I acquire, while rarely anything is mentioned about Gary's plight save for our resident angel, Maria! It looks like some basic plain old greed and self indulgent type behavior to me! This is why we find so much misery in our world at any given time, and any given place -- it's always about me, me,me, me!!! Well, take just a few precious seconds and do some REAL soul searching then see what it's truly all about -- life I mean -- then maybe a few of you may come to a different realization!!! Now I'm through, I'll step of off the proverbial soapbox and await my stoning, but I felt lead to say what I did. Oh yea, you may also excommunicate me as well if the desire is there. Thanks for your time in indulging my rant! Mal ___ IMCA mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca___ IMCA mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
I have watched this for the last few weeks, and I have decided not to participate for the simple reason that there seems to be a clique that has has formed over the last 6 or 7 years, one made up of a few people who seem to think that they have a mandate to take control of these charity donation/money raising issues and run them how they see fit. There is often a demand for participation, and denouncement behind the backs of those who do not donate, I find this repulsive. I do not like to be shamed into anything, and certainly am offended to the point of going to the opposite direction. The perception that dealers have tons of money and material just laying the garbage heap makes me sick. I have lots of meteorites, and no money right now, I know many of us are in the same boat, sales are in the crapper due to the financial genius of our government and the absolute greed of our wealthy businessmen and corporations. So please do not pretend to know my financial situation because I have a website filled with meteorites, at this time I am finding it difficult to pay my own bills, much less someone elses. I no longer trust giving other people my meteorites, and having them be in charge of selling them/auctioning them. I will not discuss the specifics, but I know that wrongdoing has taken place in the meteorite world with such donations. I do not like silent auctions, gimmicks, charity auctions where email or phone bidding take place, out of sight and oversight everyone. Ebay sales with payments directly to Gary Foote would ease these concerns and halt any chance of fraud taking place. Many of us are having problems, my wife lost her job last month while I was in Europe. She is on unemployment, a whopping $240.00 per week in Arizona, which barely pays for a couple tanks of gas these days. I know of many other list members who are having financial and medical problems in silence, no help for them is coming. There is nothing wrong with organizing or aksing for help with a fellow list member, but while you may night recognize it, sometimes the way these things are done can really rub people the wrong way. Michael Farmer --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Ma Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ma Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 11:30 AM Hi Maria and Members, Being a newby in the IMCA community, i know little about Gary Foote. I just know he needs help. So, i help. Maybe biding on items by email or phone is the reason why nobody placed bid on them. Try it on Ebay and AD it on the list as well. Try it. Best, Ma Lan IMCA #8234 --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:58 AM Mal, respectfully, you¹re out of line here. Asking people to contribute out of the goodness of their hearts is one thing; attempting to SHAME them into giving is arrogant and oafish and counterproductive. Charles A. Miller IMCA 1292 On 7/24/08 8:26 AM, Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in the reception/ turn-out thus far as related to the number of people on this list who have reached out and made some sort of gesture of goodwill by donating something, anything, to help a fellow community member who has REALLY undergone a horrible ordeal and still is in the midst of it -- not to mention what his wife, CJ, and other family members are having to deal with! Where are all of the 'BIG' dealers, all of the truly well fortuned collectors who have SO much that to offer up a single piece from their vaults of space treasure would be of little, if any noticeable, loss to them! Take a moment and each one of you think what it would be like if it were you in Gary's position? How would you then feel about your treasures compared to what dark, and foreboding place you now find yourself in. I'll be outright honest, I feel sort of ashamed to be associated with a community that apparently doesn't mind trying to always acquire more and more personal bounty from space, but are maybe just a little too reticent in giving up something, make a sacrifice to help a fellow 'kinsman' with the vary same passions and desires -- at least he did at one time until something much more important stepped in its place to unveil some truth of the duality of life. There is fortune and good, and then there is much suffering, loss, and indescribable pain
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
I want to clarify to the list that in no way am I implicating Maria in any wrongdoing, it seems that is how my email came off, so I will clear this up right now, no Maria is not in any way who I am speaking of, they know who they are. I merely wanted to say that I and other have been scammed in bogus donation schemes in the meteorite-list world where money did not reach the intended recipient or go to the desired use. I am not going to discuss that incident further, so don't ask, it would serve no purpose at this point but to cause bad things which we don't need at this time. I will no longer just donate things to raise money unless it is done in a very clear way for all to see such as a live auction or ebay auction, only when procedes are sent directly the person, not through a third party or the seller. There is just too much room for mistakes or theft. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ok, lets put this to bed. I have received a flurry of phone calls demanding clarification, so here goes. This event took place at least 7 years ago. It does not involve ANYONE who is organizing charity events these days. I am not accusing anyone who is currently doing these good deeds, not Notkin, or Anne Black, or Maria, come on, I am just in disagreement about some of the methods used, which led to myself and others being ripped off in the past. Money was given and much less money ended up in the hands of the intended recipient. This left a very bad taste in my mouth. This is not so complicated as people are making it out to be. I was offended by Mal's email. Since he publicly tried to crucify dealers and big collectors for not showing so much interest in helping Gary Foot by participating in the charity auction, I publicly responded as to my own reason for not being out there giving or bidding. I will put an item on eBay, and the buyer can pay Gary Foote directly, this will be my way of helping and that way I know that every cent goes to the intended use. Michael Farmer I wish Gary and his family well, and I think it is good that people are trying to help him. --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Charles Austin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 1:32 PM I want to clarify to the list that in no way am I implicating Maria in any wrongdoing, it seems that is how my email came off, so I will clear this up right now, no Maria is not in any way who I am speaking of, they know who they are. I merely wanted to say that I and other have been scammed in bogus donation schemes in the meteorite-list world where money did not reach the intended recipient or go to the desired use. I am not going to discuss that incident further, so don't ask, it would serve no purpose at this point but to cause bad things which we don't need at this time. I will no longer just donate things to raise money unless it is done in a very clear way for all to see such as a live auction or ebay auction, only when procedes are sent directly the person, not through a third party or the seller. There is just too much room for mistakes or theft. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Flames--Yes siree Bob--
You are way outta line here. You try to guilt me into giving because I just
should
OK.
Try living on about $750 a month. Pay all your bills.
Buy food at ever higher prices. Buy gas!!
Have a nice meteorite collection of meteorites, all of which are
~5 grams or less because you can't afford the 6.2 Kg Lunar.
Even with co-pay on your meds, it's too much.
Choose to be either healthy or hungry
Choose to either walk (you're cripple) or ride, (oops
can't afford the gas).
Do you see me out begging? NO NO NO NO
I watch my pennies and look for the DEAL when buying
anything, meteorites included.
Don't you even dare to tell me I should offer something. You know
absolutely nothing about my circumstances.
Lastly, how do you know that I haven't offered something?
You owe every member of the list an apology.
Pete
IMCA 1733 {and all around educator of the students.
( Yes, I donate to students because I am blessed to have
meteorites that they don't have so I share what I've got.)}
- Original Message -
From: Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:26 AM
Subject: [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
Dear list members,
I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in the reception/ turn-out thus
far as related to the number of people on this list who have reached
out and made some sort of gesture of goodwill by donating something,
anything, to help a fellow community member who has REALLY undergone
a horrible ordeal and still is in the midst of it -- not to mention
what his wife, CJ, and other family members are having to deal
with! Where are all of the 'BIG' dealers, all of the truly well
fortuned collectors who have SO much that to offer up a single piece
from their vaults of space treasure would be of little, if any
noticeable, loss to them! Take a moment and each one of you think
what it would be like if it were you in Gary's position? How would
you then feel about your treasures compared to what dark, and
foreboding place you now find yourself in. I'll be outright honest,
I feel sort of ashamed to be associated with a community that
apparently doesn't mind trying to always acquire more and more
personal bounty from space, but are maybe just a little too reticent
in giving up something, make a sacrifice to help a fellow 'kinsman'
with the vary same passions and desires -- at least he did at one
time until something much more important stepped in its place to
unveil some truth of the duality of life. There is fortune and good,
and then there is much suffering, loss, and indescribable pain and
fear around the next bend waiting for ANYONE at ANYTIME!!!
I'm sorry in advance if I'm off base, way out in left field, or just
sound plain bitter, angry, or what ever label ya'll wish to place on
this or me, but all I can say is it is a shame when you have a list
comprised of hundreds of folks worldwide supposedly not only
interested in a hobby, and appear to want to share and communicate
with one another (hence why a list like this exist in the first
place, correct?), but don't seem to want to reach out when a time
like this comes upon us to help one of our own !!! I know times
are getting harder financially , especially maybe here in the US for
a lot of us, but still many of us are finding it possible to still
invest and spend on ourselves and indulge our hobbyist desires and
whims, so why then can't some of you ,if not all, offer something to
show your true care, compassion, and concern, not just for another
human being, but for one of us for goodness sakes!
Again, I know I will probably receive some distasteful responses due
to my putting my nose where maybe a lot of you feel it may not
belong, but it is rather disgusting to see talk always going on about
what's for sale, what I want, what can I acquire, while rarely
anything is mentioned about Gary's plight save for our resident
angel, Maria! It looks like some basic plain old greed and self
indulgent type behavior to me! This is why we find so much misery in
our world at any given time, and any given place -- it's always about
me, me,me, me!!! Well, take just a few precious seconds and do some
REAL soul searching then see what it's truly all about -- life I mean
-- then maybe a few of you may come to a different realization!!!
Now I'm through, I'll step of off the proverbial soapbox and await my
stoning, but I felt lead to say what I did. Oh yea, you may also
excommunicate me as well if the desire is there.
Thanks for your time in indulging my rant!
Mal
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame
How about sending an email to Lil' Bush and the other right-wing Republicans that would rather see families bankrupted than doing something constructive about health care in this country. Don Rawlings - Original Message - From: Mal Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:26 AM Subject: [IMCA] A Feeling Of Shame Dear list members, I must say I'm somewhat disappointed in the reception/ turn-out thus far as related to the number of people on this list who have reached out and made some sort of gesture of goodwill by donating something, anything, to help a fellow community member who has REALLY undergone a horrible ordeal and still is in the midst of it -- not to mention what his wife, CJ, and other family members are having to deal with! Where are all of the 'BIG' dealers, all of the truly well fortuned collectors who have SO much that to offer up a single piece from their vaults of space treasure would be of little, if any noticeable, loss to them! Take a moment and each one of you think what it would be like if it were you in Gary's position? How would you then feel about your treasures compared to what dark, and foreboding place you now find yourself in. I'll be outright honest, I feel sort of ashamed to be associated with a community that apparently doesn't mind trying to always acquire more and more personal bounty from space, but are maybe just a little too reticent in giving up something, make a sacrifice to help a fellow 'kinsman' with the vary same passions and desires -- at least he did at one time until something much more important stepped in its place to unveil some truth of the duality of life. There is fortune and good, and then there is much suffering, loss, and indescribable pain and fear around the next bend waiting for ANYONE at ANYTIME!!! I'm sorry in advance if I'm off base, way out in left field, or just sound plain bitter, angry, or what ever label ya'll wish to place on this or me, but all I can say is it is a shame when you have a list comprised of hundreds of folks worldwide supposedly not only interested in a hobby, and appear to want to share and communicate with one another (hence why a list like this exist in the first place, correct?), but don't seem to want to reach out when a time like this comes upon us to help one of our own !!! I know times are getting harder financially , especially maybe here in the US for a lot of us, but still many of us are finding it possible to still invest and spend on ourselves and indulge our hobbyist desires and whims, so why then can't some of you ,if not all, offer something to show your true care, compassion, and concern, not just for another human being, but for one of us for goodness sakes! Again, I know I will probably receive some distasteful responses due to my putting my nose where maybe a lot of you feel it may not belong, but it is rather disgusting to see talk always going on about what's for sale, what I want, what can I acquire, while rarely anything is mentioned about Gary's plight save for our resident angel, Maria! It looks like some basic plain old greed and self indulgent type behavior to me! This is why we find so much misery in our world at any given time, and any given place -- it's always about me, me,me, me!!! Well, take just a few precious seconds and do some REAL soul searching then see what it's truly all about -- life I mean -- then maybe a few of you may come to a different realization!!! Now I'm through, I'll step of off the proverbial soapbox and await my stoning, but I felt lead to say what I did. Oh yea, you may also excommunicate me as well if the desire is there. Thanks for your time in indulging my rant! Mal ___ IMCA mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
