Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results
Hi All, The auction results are up and can be seen through Feb. at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonMetAuctionPRINT.html Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results now posted
Hi all, Given that in the past people have enthusiastically Requested auction results be posted, they are now up (at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson09.html Again, auctions are NOT an indication of Market Value. They indicate the interests of the few people there AND the Limits of their pocket books (which are stretched to breaking At the Tucson Show) I passed on over 20 % of the offerings I wanted, primarily because regardless of the deal I could not, at that time, afford them. (I also do not like bidding against Participants except when outright theft is attempted (when People refuse to open the bidding WAY below value). Anyway, results are now up for whatever reason people Are driven to kick themselves for. Also, please note that the Last minute crash of my computer system resulted in a total Loss of absentee bids. A couple people phoned me at the last Minute, but they were out bid in the action. My nomination for the best price brought was the late Numbered thin Imilac slice. It was as close to perfect as one Could get and sold for over $18/g. Given its perfection, it might Also have been one of the best buys. The carbonado diamonds Were also VERY good deals, but the one people really missed On was likely the NWA2737 (Chassignite) at a minimum of only $1,500/g for a one gram slice. VERY nice and a steal compared To the $50K/g for Chassigny. A couple people snapped up a couple Of Jerry Armstrong Prints at below cost, as well. I was shocked To see the quality of his reproductions compared to the computer Image on my web page of his work - and I am told his talk was Both fun and very informative. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? - any word
Hi all. Since this is very related to meteorites, why not list the results on the meteorite list? After all, the info will probably not be available in the near future on their site. I know, this topic was talked about the last few auctions. Cheers, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? - any word In a message dated 6/11/2008 7:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you need to do is go to the Heritage web site, register, then you can gain access to the results. T. Bunch Thanks. Interesting results. I would assume that if a lot is not listed in the Auctions Results Archives it would mean that particular lot did not reach the reserve price, and did not sale, although I didn't read that explanation anywhere on the site. Seems like prices pretty much hit the expected prices, a few up above estimates, a few below. Steve Arnold #1 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.1 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10020e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auction Results? - any word
Hi List, Any word on the results of the Auction yet? Tim Heitz NEW WEB SITE Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? Hey Guys, Anyone with the results of the Auction this last weekend? All I saw in the news was that Michigan sold for $20,000, and the 3/4 ton Nantan went for $90,000. Steve Arnold #1 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? - any word
What you need to do is go to the Heritage web site, register, then you can gain access to the results. T. Bunch On 6/11/08 4:09 PM, Timothy Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Any word on the results of the Auction yet? Tim Heitz NEW WEB SITE Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? Hey Guys, Anyone with the results of the Auction this last weekend? All I saw in the news was that Michigan sold for $20,000, and the 3/4 ton Nantan went for $90,000. Steve Arnold #1 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results? - any word
In a message dated 6/11/2008 7:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you need to do is go to the Heritage web site, register, then you can gain access to the results. T. Bunch Thanks. Interesting results. I would assume that if a lot is not listed in the Auctions Results Archives it would mean that particular lot did not reach the reserve price, and did not sale, although I didn't read that explanation anywhere on the site. Seems like prices pretty much hit the expected prices, a few up above estimates, a few below. Steve Arnold #1 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auction Results?
Hey Guys, Anyone with the results of the Auction this last weekend? All I saw in the news was that Michigan sold for $20,000, and the 3/4 ton Nantan went for $90,000. Steve Arnold #1 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
There's no proof of existence of normal and unnormal auctions. The principle of auction is very clear and internationally accepted, any auction is per definitionem a special form of finding out the market values of things. The final publication of auction results as confirmation of this value is a main aspect of this principle. It is transparency which makes the mechanism function. Just my 1 Euro ;-) Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. Also if someone has called in a bid, the auctioneer just starts with that price and if he gets more, then the other bidder who bid higher wins the item. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com _ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095tcode=wlmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com _ Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095tcode=wlmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi once more, I don't agree with this position simply because isn't that why one goes to an auction? Too deal and get a deal. So if you display the prices it should not matter at all. Actually I would think, what a steal people got purchasing the meteorites for a low price and if I look for a specific one, check the next time there is an auction and if it is offered, see if I couldn't win it at a low price too. Auction prices don't reflect the true market values. I am sure everyone knows that! Regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:57:49 -0500 I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Dear List, Michael Blood's position is well known, and I wouldn't even dream of trying to change his mind! However, I can't imagine why the rest of us wouldn't want to have every bit of available information when making buying or selling decisions. Do some of you believe that we aren't smart enough to digest auction prices on our own? Whether you think auction prices are relevant to price trends or not, is beside the point. We should all have equal opportunity to make up our own minds!! Anything less is censorship and very condescending to boot! Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago--ebay starsandrocks I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Peter, Yes, eBay is a GREAT place to get awesome bargains for anything from fragments all the way up to large museum quality specimens, from reputable dealers and collectors alike! Like other auctions, eBay does have its share of frauds to look out for! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
All this discussion has convinced me that perhaps I have been looking at the posting of auction hammer prices incorrectly. I now SUPPORT the posting of the prices. However, I do feel that they should be posted by the people actually running the auction as an OFFICIAL record of the auction results. This should be done with the specifications of the auction lot as well for claification on the quality of the piece offered. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Jim wrote All this discussion has convinced me that perhaps I have been looking at the posting of auction hammer prices incorrectly. I now SUPPORT the posting of the prices. However, I do feel that they should be posted by the people actually running the auction as an OFFICIAL record of the auction results. This should be done with the specifications of the auction lot as well for clarification on the quality of the piece offered. I agree with Jim. I understand the problems with posting prices. People seem to think the lowest price they ever see a meteorite sell is what it is worth, which is strange, as they understand the highest price is a fluke. So while I saw no problems in the past, I now think auction prices should be posted to keep things clear and honest. One can also ask, should my absentee bid be what I pay if I won, or should it be the next increment over the previous highest bid? Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS -MR. Blood and MR Lang
I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends
[meteorite-list] Auction results sought
Hi 'List'I have recently acquired a number of Natural History auction catalogs,containing fossil, minerals, meteorites, and other critters...severalare without 'auction prices realized' and I am hoping that fellow listmembers can provide these missing data...The following companies anddates sought are:BONHAMS 8th April, 1994BUTTERFIELDS 31st October, 1999PHILLIPS 11th January, 1998 17th May, 1998also seeking other catalogs, with 'prices realized' that I do notyet possess including:BONHAMS Apr 20, 1995BUTTERFIELDS (all earlier than Feb 14, 1999) Jan 23. 2000 Jan 21, 2001 Jun 24, 2001PHILLIPS June 1994 (and earlier) December 1995SOUTHEBY'S Oct 4, 1997 (Sue) _Thank youMichael Masse[EMAIL PROTECTED]
