Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-10 Thread Mark Bowling via Meteorite-list 
Great news, I was just wondering about this the other day...  Thanks Michael.
Happy hunting Larry!!  Hope you find a whopper!
Mark

  From: Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
 To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
   
Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires:  09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
> grabs.
>
> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
> meteorites:
>
> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>
> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>
>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>> any of the wording below.
>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>
>> My Ref:
>>
>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>
>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>
>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>
>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>
>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>
>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>
>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>
>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>
>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>
>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>
>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>
>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>
>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Kind Regards,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Jim Wooddell
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>
>>  > Windows 10
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>
>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>
>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
>>
>>  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>> probable
>>
>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>
>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>
>>  > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >    Hi Ruben and List,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >    Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-10 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 


I wish what you said was true however the original and much abused 1906 
Antiquities law was clarified to include meteorites as cultural objects 
with scientific value.  In any case, permits are required which will 
never be issued for commercial purposes and without one, you are 
committing a criminal act by selling them.


Just talk to miners, artifact hunters and rock hounds and they will tell 
the noncommercial use aspect is enforced.  The Department of Interior 
has and still claims ownership of all meteorites found on public land. 
This predates the 2012 clarification which is still enforced.


Or better yet, contact a BLM office and inquire,




On 1/9/2018 2:32 PM, Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Michael:

Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
for this threaCheers.

Murray

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires:  09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
grabs.

Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
meteorites:

https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.



On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:


What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
any of the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

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Windows 10

*From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
*To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

  >

  > Kind Regards,

  >

  > Jim Wooddell

  >

  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

  > Windows 10

  >

  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>

  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

  >

  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
probable

  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

  >

  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

  > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

  >

  > Hi Ruben and List,

  >

  > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

  >

  > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree

  > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
the

  > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
abide

  > by them.

  >

  > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk

  > of prosec

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-10 Thread Mark Bowling via Meteorite-list 
Great news, I was just wondering about this the other day...  Thanks Michael.

Happy hunting Larry!!  Hope you find a whopper!

Mark




From: Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land



Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182

Expires:  09/30/2013


It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than

anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they

were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.

As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.


Michael in so. Cal.


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be

> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how

> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of

> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land

> grabs.

>

> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to

> meteorites:

>

> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

>

> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.

>

>

>

> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

>>

>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

>>

>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor

>> any of the wording below.

>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

>>

>> My Ref:

>>

>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

>>

>> Jim

>>

>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>> Windows 10

>>

>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

>> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM

>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

>>

>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

>>

>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5

>>

>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

>>

>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

>>

>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

>>

>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

>>

>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

>>

>> closed by supplemental regulations;

>>

>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

>>

>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

>>

>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

>>

>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

>>

>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

>>

>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

>>

>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

>>

>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > Kind Regards,

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > Jim Wooddell

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>

>>  > Windows 10

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

>>

>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

>>

>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

>>

>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>

>>

>>  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

>>

>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or

>> probable

>>

>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

>>

>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

>>

>>  >

>>

>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

>>

>>  > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

>>

>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

>>

>>  >

>>

>

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list 
Hi Michael:

Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
for this threaCheers.

Murray

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
> Expires:  09/30/2013
>
> It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
> anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
> were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
> As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
>> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
>> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
>> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
>> grabs.
>>
>> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
>> meteorites:
>>
>> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>>
>> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>>
>>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>>> any of the wording below.
>>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>>
>>> My Ref:
>>>
>>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>>
>>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>>
>>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>>
>>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>>
>>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>>
>>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>>
>>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>>
>>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>>
>>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>>
>>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>>
>>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>>
>>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>>
>>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>
>>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Jim Wooddell
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>
>>>  > Windows 10
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>>
>>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>>
>>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
>>>
>>>  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>>> probable
>>>
>>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>>
>>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>>
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list&q

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires:  09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
> updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
> valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
> 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
> grabs.
>
> Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
> meteorites:
>
> https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0
>
> The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>> What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???
>>
>> GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
>> any of the wording below.
>> Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?
>>
>> My Ref:
>>
>> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
>> *To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>> 43 CFR 8365.1-5
>>
>> Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public
>>
>> lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,
>>
>> certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas
>>
>> excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of
>>
>> Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas
>>
>> closed by supplemental regulations;
>>
>> Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,
>>
>> up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
>>
>> Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
>>
>> non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
>>
>> Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be
>>
>> bartered or sold for commercial purposes.
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>
>>  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Kind Regards,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Jim Wooddell
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>
>>  > Windows 10
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>>
>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>>  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
>>
>>  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
>>
>>  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>
>>  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
>> probable
>>
>>  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government
>>
>>  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
>>
>>  > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Hi Ruben and List,
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
>>
>>  > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
>> the
>>
>>  > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
>> abide
>>
>>  > by them.
>>

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be 
updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on 
how valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities 
Act of 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including 
massive land grabs.


Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to 
meteorites:


https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.



On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor 
any of the wording below.

Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
Windows 10


*From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

*Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
*To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

 > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

 >

 > Kind Regards,

 >

 > Jim Wooddell

 >

 > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

 > Windows 10

 >

 > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

 > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

 > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>

 > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

 > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

 >

 > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable

 > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

 > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

 >

 > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 >

 > Hi Ruben and List,

 >

 > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

 >

 > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree

 > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the

 > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide

 > by them.

 >

 > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk

 > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit

 > for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.

 > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

 > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest

 > of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even

 > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

 >

 > Adam

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

 >

 > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,

 > including Ads!

 >

 >

 >

 > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 >

 > Thanks for the heads up, but really...

 >

 > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

 >

 > 

 > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in

 > mind that

 > selling meteorites found on public l

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list 
What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor any of 
the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.



On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
> What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jim Wooddell
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
> *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
> *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
> 
> I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
> fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
> or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ruben and List,
> 
> Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
> 
> I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
> with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
> monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
> by them.
> 
> Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
> of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
> for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
> Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
> jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
> of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
> stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
> including Ads!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up, but really...
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
> mind that
> selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
> against federal law.
> I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
> some List Members
> have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
> sales,
> especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
> for free and
> without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
> BLM's
> regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
> certain public
> lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
> per person per
> year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
> non-motorized and
> non-Mechanical equip

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;


Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and


Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.




On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
Windows 10


*From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

*Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
*To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>
*Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.


On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
 > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about
24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end
cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. >

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list 
What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
To: Raremeteorites
Cc: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable fall - 
in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government or state 
agency relating to meteorites or anything else.  
On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with the new 
laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary value of 
meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for competitors 
and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only that, dealers who 
break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the collection of meteorites 
on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as 
examples for even stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >
IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
__ > > Visit our Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list >
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-08 Thread Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government or
state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hi Ruben and List,
>
> Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
>
> I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with
> the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary
> value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.
>
> Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of
> prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for
> competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only
> that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the
> collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers
> breaking the law can be used as examples for even stricter laws forbidding
> the hunting of meteorites altogether.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
>> This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up, but really...
>>>
>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>>
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>>  wrote:
>>> I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
>>> selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal
>>> law.
>>> I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List
>>> Members
>>> have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
>>> especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
>>> without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
>>> regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
>>> lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person
>>> per
>>> year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
>>> non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
>>> specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may
>>> not
>>> be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
>>> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>>> Happy
>>> hunting,
>>> On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, >
>>> > I
>>> have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours.
>>> Most
>>> started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a
>>> few
>>> items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or
>>> NWA
>>> 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with
>>> only 2
>>> bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
>>> offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another
>>> rarely
>>> offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
>>> Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
>>> 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
>>> extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
>>> more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
>>> internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
>>> unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find
>>> in
>>> 2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. >
>>> NWA
>>> 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
>>> slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
>>> reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out
>>> if
>>> interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_saca
>>> t=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_
>>> samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26sa
>>> slc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_
>>> saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
>>>
 Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >
>>
> IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
>>> __ > > Visit our Facebook
>>> page
>>> https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list >
>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >
>>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >
>>> __ Visit our Facebook page
>>> https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at
>>>

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 

One just needs to search the List archives to discover the truth.

In any case, the BLM has made its position clear on the subject. The 
laws that apply to finds are the same for falls.  The BLM doesn't 
differentiate between the two. Let's just hope that the rest of our 
rights are not lost.  It only takes a few to ruin it for everybody else.


Adam






On 1/8/2018 3:45 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.


On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> wrote:


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf


Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
 > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about
24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end
cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City.
Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian
Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA
11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold
quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are
practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from
my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581

[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 

Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with 
the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary 
value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.


Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for 
competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only 
that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the 
collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers 
breaking the law can be used as examples for even stricter laws 
forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.


Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
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Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >

IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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