Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-17 Thread Anita Westlake
Intelligent life on earth is rare too! Anita - Original Message From: JoshuaTreeMuseum To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 12:19:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi Hi Richard; That's an excellent argument for cancelling the

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-17 Thread Steve Dunklee
seems to me if Seti Was realy interested in looking for messages from other civilizations they would be tuning into relativistic wave phase modulation of ULF frequencies. The time span from ordinary radio waves to relativistic transmissions would be expotential like our increase in knowlege. Th

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-17 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi Phil, My point wouldn't work very well for Big Foot or Nessy... ;) There are none proven to exist. However we know there are humans in the universe, and can say with reasonable thought that there are probably other intelligent lifeforms out there. There's simply too much space and time for i

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-17 Thread GERALD FLAHERTY
tistically' we shouldn't be here at all! So scientifically > speaking Statistics is disproven as a method! > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.c

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-17 Thread Mark Ford
eteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: 17 September 2010 05:56 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi Hi Phil, I agree completely with your sentim

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread countdeiro
y" have already existed and been extincted on one or more of those bodies. "They" were "There" and didn't survive. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: JoshuaTreeMuseum >Sent: Sep 16, 2010 9:09 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi ELEs GRBs and lifetimes of civilizations

2010-09-16 Thread MEM
- Original Message > From: Meteorites USA However, I've got an interesting question about perspective and time. If a child looked out the window of a house for a mere 32/1000th of a second and formed a conclusion that horses do not exist, would you say he's correct? Somewh

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Phil Whitmer
Eric, Your point is well taken. According to the laws of probablity, anything that happened once could happen again, not matter how unlikely. However I could use your logic to argue for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot, if I chose to believe in such things. This argument was al

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Richard, With all the news reports of organic compounds on Mars and fossils in Martian meteorites I think the possibility of extraterrestrial life is very on topic. Eric, Your point is well taken. According to the laws of probablity, anything that happened once could happen again, not matter h

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Richard Kowalski
> Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 9:19 PM > Hi Richard; > That's an excellent argument for cancelling the silly SETI > project.  The key word in your argument is "believe&q

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi Phil, I agree completely with your sentiment, and respect your belief. However I sincerely disagree that your conclusion that intelligent extra terrestrial life does NOT exist is based on evidenced fact. There is only a lack of evidence, and the best argument to the contrary is us. Humans a

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Hi Richard; That's an excellent argument for cancelling the silly SETI project. The key word in your argument is "believe". You believe in the existence of exo-life without any supporting evidence, I don't. So we can agree to disagree. If life never existed on Mars, I can't see it existing an

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Where are "they"? For the sake of this argument let's say they're on one of the Alpha Centauri planets, a mere 4.3 light years away. Or, for that matter, they could be anywhere within 75 light years, the distance Earth's transmissions have reached. With their advanced planet detection methods an

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Ed Deckert
- Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi Or the child may see the horse, and not know it's a horse. Which begs the question: "When is a horse not a hors

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Meteorites USA
Sorry this sentence should read: The child could be looking out the [right] window at the wrong time. The horse could have been there and gone. Or the child could be looking out the wrong window at the wrong time. Big difference. On 9/16/2010 8:04 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Valid points Phil..

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Meteorites USA
Valid points Phil... My answer to your question. As many years as it takes... Just like meteorite hunting, you have to look where they are, and even if you're looking in the right place, you still might not find them. ;) (interestingly enough, I think everyone here on-list can relate to that)

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread John.L.Cabassi
Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:29 PM To: JoshuaTreeMuseum Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi I think there is life out there somewhere, but I doubt they are broadcasting their presence using primitive technologies like radio or anything else

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Becky and Kirk
A very good point!! Kirk - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi I think there is life out there somewhe

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
I think there is life out there somewhere, but I doubt they are broadcasting their presence using primitive technologies like radio or anything else we would recognize. This is not unlike aliens trying to detect us by looking for our carrier pigeons. On 9/16/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > Inte

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Interesting point Eric. My question is: how many years of complete and total silence would it take to reach the conclusion there's just nobody out there? 1,000? 10,000? a million years? a billion? a googlezillion? You could listen for eternity, hear nothing and say, well we just need a little mo

[meteorite-list] OT: Listening To Fermi

2010-09-16 Thread Meteorites USA
I might agree with that sentiment if there were enough information to support it. However, I've got an interesting question about perspective and time. If a child looked out the window of a house for a mere 32/1000th of a second and formed a conclusion that horses do not exist, would you say