[meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. Well said, McCartney. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
What are the rules of the list and what would be necessary in order to expel someone. Certainly there is enough questions concerning this character to warrant some action.. Personally I don't want to read another email of Bob pointing out another ebay scammer. In my opinion he is extremely bad for this field. There have been other characters with similar practices that have come and gone. What got rid of them? Does anyone know what could be done to notify ebay of his practices in order to limit him from ebay listings? In other words what department/ email address would one write? I don't want to see another questionable meteorite sold to some unsuspecting soul thinking they got something that is not represented. Jay - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
Walter All, Agreed, though nice might easily be taken to include with integrity. As it stands today, McCartney is correct to say good luck proving that [so-and-so] had prior knowledge they were selling NWA junk as something of significant provenance. Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not. But playing nice, it seems to me, does not include sitting on the sidelines only to watch something which may be detrimental to this field unfold (and for which apparently zero counter-evidence has been provided after repeated requests) without question by SOMEone or SOME body of authority. Of course this is just one guy's opinion... Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:13 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. Well said, McCartney. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
Hi McCartney, I do not care for the phrase you used NWA junk No real meteorite is junk. I could care less where a meteorite lands as long as it was legally obtained. I am a sample person, along with hundreds of other collectors who collect by type including NASA ans many instatutions. My main concern is that all samples be laboratory confirmed as to its rarity by type, not where or when it fell. My problem with Bob Evans stemmed from his self-proclaimed pairings and stolen descriptions. I argued continually with him and Stan for several months and it seemed very few cared. Now, lab work is greatly appreciated and reputable dealers would never dream of borrowing others numbers and descriptions. As far as rare or historical falls are concerned, I generally avoid them as I have been taken for several thousand on such deals. Kapoeta, in particular sold to me by a well-known and respected dealer at the time now stands out. This left an indelible scare on my mind. It changed my habits and turned me into a type collector instead of accumulating historical material. Please do not call any meteorite Junk as I find it disrespectful. Adam Cartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
Hi Dave, and All, You wrote: Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not. We actually do that on a regular basis, already. We are getting about four membership applications or more per week, and only about one is approved by a majority vote by the IMCA Board of Directors. Some applications don't even make it to voting as many applicants fail to list recommending members, or just fill in names of members who never heard about them. So yes, we check the reputation of each and every applicant, we check their eBay auctions and website sales (if any), and we often discuss their behaviour on the list (if they are posting here), and other things prior to voting. Of course, that doesn't mean that we can check everything, and sometimes we receive complaints about our members that are always taken very seriously by the IMCA Board of Directors. There have been a few cases in which we had to expell members for various reasons, and I think most of you are aware of that. So it's not just a dream - the IMCA is very real and functioning; I just wish that more people would be aware of that. In any case, be assured that some people would have no chance to get into our Association - we're certainly not blind, and we are very well aware of what's going on. All of you good guys and gals are most welcome, of course. So, if you are a honest dealer, and if you are no IMCA member, thus far, why not? All the best, Norbert Classen President, IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Walter All, Agreed, though nice might easily be taken to include with integrity. As it stands today, McCartney is correct to say good luck proving that [so-and-so] had prior knowledge they were selling NWA junk as something of significant provenance. Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not. But playing nice, it seems to me, does not include sitting on the sidelines only to watch something which may be detrimental to this field unfold (and for which apparently zero counter-evidence has been provided after repeated requests) without question by SOMEone or SOME body of authority. Of course this is just one guy's opinion... Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:13 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. Well said, McCartney. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
Hello Norbert All, I absolutely realize that the IMCA does a lot of wonderful things today and hope that my suggestions weren't taken in any other way. Most of what I've said has been forward looking by design, and given the great start that the IMCA is off to it is that organization which is best positioned to tackle some of these bigger issues to an even greater extent in the future. I was honored to be accepted as a member and hope that everything I do in the arena is in keeping with the terrific standards which you have established. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: Norbert Classen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Walter Branch'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Hi Dave, and All, You wrote: Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not. We actually do that on a regular basis, already. We are getting about four membership applications or more per week, and only about one is approved by a majority vote by the IMCA Board of Directors. Some applications don't even make it to voting as many applicants fail to list recommending members, or just fill in names of members who never heard about them. So yes, we check the reputation of each and every applicant, we check their eBay auctions and website sales (if any), and we often discuss their behaviour on the list (if they are posting here), and other things prior to voting. Of course, that doesn't mean that we can check everything, and sometimes we receive complaints about our members that are always taken very seriously by the IMCA Board of Directors. There have been a few cases in which we had to expell members for various reasons, and I think most of you are aware of that. So it's not just a dream - the IMCA is very real and functioning; I just wish that more people would be aware of that. In any case, be assured that some people would have no chance to get into our Association - we're certainly not blind, and we are very well aware of what's going on. All of you good guys and gals are most welcome, of course. So, if you are a honest dealer, and if you are no IMCA member, thus far, why not? All the best, Norbert Classen President, IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Walter All, Agreed, though nice might easily be taken to include with integrity. As it stands today, McCartney is correct to say good luck proving that [so-and-so] had prior knowledge they were selling NWA junk as something of significant provenance. Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not. But playing nice, it seems to me, does not include sitting on the sidelines only to watch something which may be detrimental to this field unfold (and for which apparently zero counter-evidence has been provided after repeated requests) without question by SOMEone or SOME body of authority. Of course this is just one guy's opinion... Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:13 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. Well said, McCartney. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge
