Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
Maybe those in Antarctica are searchers and those in the desert hunters? Note that some scientists use the term hunter with a pejorative connotation. More with the meaning treasure hunter or even poacher. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von roche...@cerege.fr Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2009 13:27 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Dear list I saw Jeff Grossman rightfully mentioned Antarctic search leaders on top of that contest, but the point was dismissed, someone even suggesting that collecting meteorite in Antarctica is not hunting but fishing; myself I hunt and fish animals and I have collected meteorites both in Antarctica and hot deserts. Recovering meteorite in Antarctica is not like going to Tucson show, it requires a lot of walking, and expertise is spotting the right rock (the story about a single black stone among a 100% pure ice surface is only a small part of it). Even when done on snowmobile, that is not such a fun when the skin of you face fell frozen or when you risk ending in a crevasse. It requires also a personal engagement (who is ready not to have a shower and fresh food for months?) that is not equaled by tours in hot deserts. Remember that the Japanese are out of there home for more than one year when they go for meteorites. So definitely Antarctic recovery expedition is hunting, unless you disqualify as hunters people being paid by governments to collect meteorites. -- Pierre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Perhaps to search sounds more academic than to hunt, and the most of the searchers in Antarctica are (at least some kind of) scientists... ;- take care, pekka s beer hunter who likes movie Deer Hunter (not enough of bears here in Finland to hunt, so we are also moose-hunters (not mouse) Martin Altmann kirjoitti: Maybe those in Antarctica are searchers and those in the desert hunters? Note that some scientists use the term hunter with a pejorative connotation. More with the meaning treasure hunter or even poacher. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von roche...@cerege.fr Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2009 13:27 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Dear list I saw Jeff Grossman rightfully mentioned Antarctic search leaders on top of that contest, but the point was dismissed, someone even suggesting that collecting meteorite in Antarctica is not hunting but fishing; myself I hunt and fish animals and I have collected meteorites both in Antarctica and hot deserts. Recovering meteorite in Antarctica is not like going to Tucson show, it requires a lot of walking, and expertise is spotting the right rock (the story about a single black stone among a 100% pure ice surface is only a small part of it). Even when done on snowmobile, that is not such a fun when the skin of you face fell frozen or when you risk ending in a crevasse. It requires also a personal engagement (who is ready not to have a shower and fresh food for months?) that is not equaled by tours in hot deserts. Remember that the Japanese are out of there home for more than one year when they go for meteorites. So definitely Antarctic recovery expedition is hunting, unless you disqualify as hunters people being paid by governments to collect meteorites. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2249 - Release Date: 07/19/09 17:59:00 -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hunters gatherers All the same. hunters and those who do it for Science That's a very common misconception - who says that the not officially appointed hunters wouldn't serve science? To a private hunter or dealer it doesn't matter, whether he sells to a private collector or to an university. In fact they serve science very well, in delivering the deposit and type specimens of their finds for free, making other donations too; in offering a larger diversity and quantity of finds than e.g. all scientific campaigns together had found so far, and that at enormously lower costs than science would have to bear to find that pieces by their own, even allowing them to cherry-pick the most interesting material, while with the official searchs you have to pay also for the main load, the weathered chondrites, where nobody is interested in. So a certain service to science can't be denied. those who recover meteorite for a living A very few can maintain (an often very modest)living standard with their finds only, cause they sell that stuff so cheap. Btw. that protectionist debate has even some social implications. In principle many of the most successful hunters on the planet, do have to look for a new job now, since it's forbidden to search in Oman. Well for them and for other hunters or also for the NWA dealers of the first world, if then Morocco as last free Sahara country will be closed, that will be easier than for all the nameless local NWA-hunters in the Sahara countries, to whose we and science owe many more recoveries and in total also more important recoveries than Antarctica ever yielded. The foundation of their existence will be destroyed. (If I look in the publication records, it's astonishing that some, who shout loudest for banning private hunting, had the highest profit of the excellent work of these NWA-people. For my taste, that is morally abhorrent.) Ah Pierre, is it theoretically possible, that the expert hunters could take part in an Antarctic field trip as official members or are there formal obstacles? Would be perhaps promising, if those who proved to have the best skills in spotting meteorites in the hot deserts would try their abilities there once too? At least I'd guess, that the one or other would immediately shake in on such an opportunity. Imagine, for them it must be like a holiday. To be free of that pressure to succeed to find something better than an OC or an EUC, to get the expedition costs refinanced. Salary carries on coming in, to be insured. Not to have to care and to pay for transportation and equipment, Not to have wait for the classification, no preparation, polishing, cutting - and not to have to care for selling that stuff Aaand most important: to take part in that ADVENTURE !! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von roche...@cerege.fr Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juli 2009 14:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? as a response to Martin, yes one could consider that those who recover meteorite for a living are hunters and those who do it for Science and academic carrier are searchers, but this leaves apart those that are not academics but do this as a passion and live on another job. Moreover the activity is the same, the only difference being the source of money on the personal bank account. I hunt animals for fun, not for feeding my family; still I consider myself as a hunter in that activity. -- Pierre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin, Thank you. It's funny you mentioned the Russians. I had contacted Mike Farmer a few days ago concerning a personal matter and he also mentioned the Russians. Not negatively, of course. I see Mike's last post concerned more info on them. Carl Martin wrote: Well Carl, It's because the Russians are so modest and don't attach much importance in public profiling. Uh all the lunars they found, the Martians, hundreds of finds in Oman, some of them where also in Libya before - and think to all the additional stuff Tsarev, Polujamki, Markovka, Brahin, Kainsaz, Vengerovo, Sikhote, Chinga, Dronino, Pallasovka, Seymchan + many more, even Muonionalusta, Morasko... _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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IMHO, it's not just who finds the most. Finding the meteorites is just half of the equation.Documenting the find, adding that information to to the common body of knowledge and contributing to the science of meteoritics is the second half. Dave - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Darren, I have to agree. It's a simple matter of statistics, whoever finds the mostest is the bestest! Really, Osama vs. Jesus, that's too funny! You get my vote for the funniest list member! Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:53:26 -0400, you wrote: IMHO, it's not just who finds the most. Finding the meteorites is just half of the equation.Documenting the find, adding that information to to the common body of knowledge and contributing to the science of meteoritics is the second half. Again, I disagree. If you are trying to determine meteorite role model or meteorite hero or meteorite idol, or meteorite hoopy frood then other stuff matters. For best meteorite hunter, all that matters is who is best at finding meteorites. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?
Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It was funny though and I can't believe anyone can type anything on those small keys!!! Best Wishes Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ok, actually when I think Meteorite Hunter; I think of: Haag, Farmer, Arnold, Cottingham, Blood, countless nameless Moroccans, Wilson, Garcia, Notkin, The Russkies, Svend, Sonny, Kilgore, Casper, Strope, The Antarcticans, The Hupe boys, Bob Evans, Aziz, Hmani, Lang, Ferrell, Reed, Pitt, Bessey, Elton, Edwin, several different Erics, Bruno, Cressey, Foote, several Gregs, Hanno, Hans, Jan, the two Jasons, Jerry, all the Jims, Humphries, and Kashuba. These are the people I think of. But then again, I get most of my information from the List. I'm sure there are many more I'm forgetting, but rightly or wrongly these are the people that come to mind when I think: Meteorite Hunter. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You can also use a mathematical approach: Total finds divided by total time spent then multiply that number by a rating: 10.0 for lunar meteorites 9.0 for Mars . . . 1.0 for Ordinary Chondrites Then take that number and divide it by the total money spent to hunt. Who ever has then highest number is the most successful. Greg S. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:43:00 -0700 From: meteorite...@yahoo.com To: mikew...@gilanet.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? I meant stuff. Hard to type o. This phone and it changes words automatically. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, michael cottingham wrote: What does a Moroccan stud have to do with meteorites? Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I do not consider moroccan meteorites huntin or finds unless you think piles of meteorites on a house floor is hunting. I have more than 800 middle eastern meteorites that found in the desert myself perhaps 500 kilos all in crates untouched. Moroccan stud is bought and not found and should be taken out of the hunting equasion. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:28 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Steve, Thanks for setting the record straight. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of: who is the most famous or most popular of the current crop of meteorite hunters? 2 names immediately pop into my mind: Arnold Farmer. I guess it's because of your Brenham publicity and The Meteorite Men that I thought you were a top contender. I haven't done my homework on who has found what and compiled it into a statistical analysis and ranking like various people did for the West fall. Has anyone thought about doing this? I sure don't have the time, with 2 jobs and 2 children under the age of 5. I don't think it could be done, except for number of meteorites officially classified. How many hunters are sitting on how many unclassified finds? And how do you define find? Does it count if you find meteorites at yard sales or Moroccan markets? I think a list of lifetime classifications would be a good starting point in determining the current Champion of the World. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Ok, actually when I think Meteorite Hunter; I think of . . . Casper Hah! That is a really good one. Despite what it says in that Space.com article Casper never hunted meteorites a day in his life. He slouched behind a desk chain smoking and acting in a horrible manner towards other meteorite dealers and real hunters. Phil, yes, you do need to do a little more homework. No disrespect to you, just correcting a significant error in your list : ) Salut, Geoff N. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well Carl, It's because the Russians are so modest and don't attach much importance in public profiling. Uh all the lunars they found, the Martians, hundreds of finds in Oman, some of them where also in Libya before - and think to all the additional stuff Tsarev, Polujamki, Markovka, Brahin, Kainsaz, Vengerovo, Sikhote, Chinga, Dronino, Pallasovka, Seymchan + many more, even Muonionalusta, Morasko... I bet, if one would unleash the Russians in Australia, it wouldn't take longer than 2 years and we would have the first lunar strewnfield there. If I were an Australian meteoricist, I would be so clever to give them a contract - to pay them the trips (they work cheaper than any official expedition) and half of the finds for them, half for the crown, and soon the racks in the institutes would bow from the load of new meteorites. (But obviously that is undesired, as well as in Oman meanwhile. In a strange, strange world we're living.) May they live long like Nininger, then for sure they will get head of him and may they live prosper, more prosper than they do now and more as it was granted to Nininger. BTW how many finds exactly Nininger has in his record? Best! Martin PS: Most meteorites on Earth found by the people of Sahara, more than in Antarctica, but the finders are all nameless and maybe there are some unknown Niningers among them Nowadays we have a prohibition in several countries there and the locals shall not collect them anymore. The same sooner or later is expected for Morocco. Some scientists believe that they would be able to find all these meteorites in future by their own. They think they can replace the knowledge and experience and the willingness to suffer of the hundreds of local searchers there. The records so far are known, therefore I'd say, it's a case of featherbrained overestimation of their capabilities (and quite a disrespect of the local people, who delivered them all their stones before). Nininger in his times was often treated in a depreciatory way from the scientists' side - in as far the observations we can make today are not completely new (but at his times they were at least intelligent enough not to bar him from hunting) - so it will be for most of us a certain satisfaction to observe the parallelism going on, that in the next generation of meteoritics the names of the so successful finders of our days will be cherished, while the names of those, who will have ruined everything in having accomplished the bans and protectionist laws, will have been long forgotten in the footnotes of meteoritics. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Carl 's Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2009 03:47 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE? Man, I can name at least 10 people, maybe more, all in the US. Many can name many more in the world but I don't know them. Tough to name just one. Carl _ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
