Hi Elton,
I think it is that thin coating of magnetite that most folks are calling a
fusion crust on fresh irons...what else can it be called?
As you say, unfortunately it is quite fragile and on most irons it flakes or
comes off after very little time in our climate, so most of those
Hi All,
Strangeas there is all this talk at the moment about fresh iron 'fusion
crust' then this does not look like a fresh iron fall but just like one of the
treated sikhote alins I just mentioned in my last post!!!
Dubious!
Graham
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Graham, All,
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the iron - well, that and think
about it - a 47g meteorite just made a foot-deep crater, sending
material five feet into the air?
The whole story is ridiculous - such a stone should have made a little
dent in the ground (we're talking a inch or
Yes, Graham. Looks like an NFW to me...
Cheers,
Dave
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Unlike in politics and public opinion (and sometimes in science),
in meteoritics
it sometimes can be more difficult to adhere to theories/legends,
if one gets samples in ones very hands, which exhibit the opposite of that,
the theory postulates.
If you ever had an early picked Sikhote at hand,
Media, media - who knows.
Picture is, pardon, looks like a Sikhote.
Dirt fountain - luminous phenomenon observed by the boy - deep pit - not
possible.
Seems you have there in USA your own Gerrit.
Remember, the pupil from Germany, who claimed to have been hit by a
meteorite.
...you never heard
Elton:
Take a look - the Smithsonian classifies the meteorites from Antarctica and
some of the Irons are described as having a fusion crust.
Greg S.
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Sample Number MIL 07666
Pairing MIL 07666
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Aloha Jason,
Agreed that this boyʻs story sounds bogus. But the last sentence of the story
explains things clearly. ...the fifth-grader said he still wants to be an
engineer and build things.
Well he certainly engineered a fine fairy tale. Guess he couldn't wait for the
Tell a Fairy Tale
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Like everyone else, when I saw the photo, I thought Sikhote-Alin. I trust Don
Stimpson's judgement that it is a meteorite, but I think it arrived in the yard
via the USPS, not skymail.
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Meteorite Hoax, or meteorite exaggeration?
As a meteorite hoax, it is missing many of the classic symptoms, no flaming
trail, no red hot iron at the bottom of the hole etc.
Let me propose an alternate explanation: The size of the hole and the material
shooting 5 feet high was an exaggeration,
Mike, All,
Two problems - 1) how do you explain the foot-deep hole? It's one
thing to exaggerate a thumping sound, but a hole tends to be pretty
tangible evidence. Either there is a foot-deep hole or there isn't.
Someone should go check, perhaps...
2) Check out the odds. Even if it were a
Hi Jason etc.
How to explain a foot deep hole? You missed my point. Maybe it is not a foot
deep! First, a 10 year old boy might no have a very good idea of how much a
foot is, or he may be exaggerating. Second, you have to trust that the news
media got it right. Can you count on that?
I
Another picture here showing the so called impact place/pit!!
http://208.62.60.4/78/printer_1564.shtml
Could a small iron like that falling at terminal velocity produce that in what
looks like very hard ground?looks artificial to me. (unless some excavation
was done to retrieve it)
I
One small frag in the middle of a community? With no other reports? Pretty
sneaky meteorite. Not.
We wuz jus hanging in the backyard when we seen a big flash... and a whiz
thump... and a big boom... and the dirt just flew up five feet high...it was a
terrible thing! Ah..my name is spelled
Well, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, and I would certainly
agree! Thanks, Graham.
A small meteorite could never make a big hole like in the picture, but people
could, while digging around to find the meteorite at the bottom, so my
hypothesis has not been conclusively falsified,
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Hi Mike and List,
RPG's don't make a crater that big. Anybody want to run
It seems it depends on what your definition of is, is? If your definition of
fusion crust is that it contains silicates then by your definition irons
cannot have a fusion crust. They undeniably can have a layer of
atmospherically melted then cooled material that formed from the
unaltered
That hole has definitely been dug up. But it also doesn¹t appear to be a
foot deep. Perhaps in a 10 year old¹s imagination it is.
I just ran the numbers, and if we assume a spherical body (which I have to
do) moving at its aerodynamically-limited speed then a 48 g iron meteorite
would be
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:45:10 -0800, you wrote:
Graham, All,
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the iron - well, that and think
about it - a 47g meteorite just made a foot-deep crater, sending
material five feet into the air?
Could this be it? Images don't match up exactly, but it could be
Let's see what Russian Scientist, and 1947 Sikhote Alin expedition member,
Dr. Krinov wrote about SA's crust:
From Krinov's book Giant meteorites (English edition 1966) page 346:
The collection of small specimens lying strewn on the surface of the
ground, mainly in the rear part of the
Interesting comments from everyone but best to wait to hear from Don. Like to
hear how his thoughts were mangled by the press.
Carl
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Could this be it? Images don't match up exactly, but it could be the differing
angles of the photos.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120487411932
http://www.hutchnews.com/Localregional/spacerock
Seller just confirmed that this
http://208.62.60.4/78/printer_1564.shtml
This hole was dug. Scatter pattern shows where the digger stood. You don't
dump dirt on your own feet while digging.
Second, the whole defies the ratio for a explosive impact of 10:1. Even if
it was perfect, you have to have a supersonic entry to make
If I'm not mistaken. The crust shown on Sikhotes may well be a true fusion
crust because sikhote does contain some silicate minerals within it.
It is the irons without silicates that cannot produce a true fusion crust. And
as Elton said, Nobody has ever shown one of these non-silicate irons
Carl, I need some help here. Which one of these elements or minerals is in
the silicate group?
Sikhote-Alin is a coarse iron octahedrite. Its composition is as follows: 5.9%
nickel, 0.42 % cobalt, 0.46% phosphorus, 0.28% sulfur, smaller amounts of
germanium and iridium, and the remainder
Hello McCartney and All,
Maybe the youngster's dog dug the hole intending to bury a bone, but was
chased away by marauding aliens or pirates hoping to find some booty!
... So we have the kid's foot prints, but did we look closer for paw prints,
3-toe appendage prints or a set of round holes
Because there has been a vacuum in accurate description and cataloging of
flight/ablation features not withstanding Nininger's Surface Features of
Meteorites-- the term fusion crust has been adapted to irons but it still
isn't correct. As I mentioned even experts misuse terms and concepts
Hi there,
don't get me wrong, I don't have the intension to convince anybody...
infact it took me 2 decades or so, until I had had some examples of iron
fusion crust in my hands, which I couldn't ignore any longer :-)
Hmm - let's be patient, I think it's high time for a new iron fall, isn't
Finally, a good media report on meteorites!
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148sid=8736952
Enjoy...
Regards,
Eric Wichman
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Hello Martin,Graham, Gregg and List,
Yes on a freshly recovered iron, there appears to be a film of what we
believe is magnetite-like oxide/nitride micro-crystals, probably including
some sulfide and phosphide minerals which form through interaction with hot
atmospheric plasma. Even though
Fred, no problem.see link;
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990Metik..49..115M
Carl
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Carl, I need some help here. Which one of these elements or minerals is
in the silicate group?
Sikhote-Alin is a coarse
Again Yahoo is near comatose and I am not getting all the posts.
We are going to eventually see a predominately iron meteorite which is going to
have a legitimate fusion crust (meeting the definition).
When I said non -silicate bearing I meant insignificant silicate content and
was trying to
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Very nice find. Keep up the good work Sonny.
[Erik]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:03:20 -0800
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2009
Elton,
Could you please name the significant source you refer to by presuming that the
term fusion crust is only valid when describing crusts made up of glass/silicate
components?
I'm asking because the discussion so far did not provide any intelligent reason
why this should make any sense at
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