Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-04 Thread Martin Goff via Meteorite-list
Johannes, Adam's true colours were revealed a long time ago which is why everyone ignores his rants here on the metlist. He likes the sound of his own voice and stands on his soapbox and shouts into empty space. He is a hypocrit who is under the illusion that what he thinks and says is somehow

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread bobadebt--- via Meteorite-list
Thank you the links to the online catalog. There was some amazing items listed I was intrigued by the value of the spheres they had listed, based on that, I must have a world class collection ;) __ Visit our Facebook page

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
I reported every single stone in the NWA 1110 Martian pairing which amounted to several dozen. I cleaned each individual and made sure the classifying scientist examined each and every one of them after a type specimen was submitted. Then an image was taken of the entire lot and submitted to

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
"Self-pairing is a slippery slope. Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to fraud." Hence my condition that the seller needs to be "reliable". A subjective term, yes, but it is impossible to formally pair every stone.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Self-pairing is a slippery slope. Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to fraud. One just needs to see the damage it created with Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an all-time low in

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry for the La'gad meteorite.  It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. It shouldn't be necessary, but now that

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here... It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
I meant to include the following information in my last message:  The other Lunar meteorite from Western Sahara in this auction is NWA 10986 (Lunar, highlands feldspathic impact-melt breccia). And if you have any questions about this Lunar, the answers can be found here  in the Met Bull

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings? The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group. This also doesn't

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry for the La'gad meteorite.  It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. It shouldn't be necessary, but now that

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list
> Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list : > > La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or > scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189 Cheers,

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
I looked through the catalog and was shocked to see unclassified and unnamed stones being offered up as lunar and Martian meteorites! Wow, the consignor must have saved a lot by completely bypassing the classification process. Just throw out a worthless COA instead! In the case of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
I think there may be something amiss here when several dozen stones were offered under La'gad name when only three are listed with a TKW of only 338 grams. This leads to the question; who studied this exact stone? Self-pairings are so prevalent these days that prospective buyers have the

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions? David S. Pumpkins On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote: La'gad

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Interesting, I typed it into the Meteoritical Bulletin search site and nothing shows up: Here is the link I used: https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php In any case, how much of it is really out there? Only three stones weighing a total of 338 grams is recorded. Adam On 11/2/2017

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list
> Am 02.11.2017 um 23:34 schrieb Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list > : > > La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or > scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired? Adam On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession)  of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-01 Thread Luther Jackson via Meteorite-list
What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear? Luther UK > On 2 Nov 2017, at 00:07, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > What's up with the rust blooms on that endcut of Sericho? You can > clearly see them in the

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-01 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
What's up with the rust blooms on that endcut of Sericho? You can clearly see them in the catalog photo. I don't imagine that Heritage has anybody inspect these pieces before they promote them? It would be a bit disappointing to buy a major auction house specimen and have it disintegrate into a

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-01 Thread Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 -- and here is where you have seen it before: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm All photos by Randy L. Korotev And it made an