Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Martin Goff via Meteorite-list]

Johannes,

Adam's true colours were revealed a long time ago which is why everyone
ignores his rants here on the metlist. He likes the sound of his own voice
and stands on his soapbox and shouts into empty space. He is a hypocrit who
is under the illusion that what he thinks and says is somehow respected
whereas the truth is that very few respect him and a lot of new collectors
haven't a clue who he even is!  He is no longer relavent and hasn't been
for many years. Just ignore him, everyone else does ..

Cheers

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

On 4 Nov 2017 02:45, "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" >
wrote:

It's too late to take the high road, Adam.
Your true colors have been revealed.



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On 11/3/17 at 9:42 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:

> John,
>
> Posting private emails to the list is against the rules and in poor
> taste.  I have wasted enough time with endless debates in the past with
> this individual.
>
> Gain some character and a moral compass.  Piggy-backing and self-pairing
> are not alright with honest dealers and collectors who take the extra
> steps to insure authenticity above all else.
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[bobadebt--- via Meteorite-list]

Thank you the links to the online catalog.  There was some amazing items 
listed


I was intrigued by the value of the spheres they had listed, based on that, 
I must have a world class collection ;) 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

I reported every single stone in the NWA 1110 Martian pairing which 
amounted to several dozen.  I cleaned each individual and made sure the 
classifying scientist examined each and every one of them after a type 
specimen was submitted.  Then an image was taken of the entire lot and 
submitted to the Nomenclature Committee.  I generally avoid pairings 
since they are so troublesome and are piggy-backed constantly.  Over ten 
lazy dealers self-paired to NWA 1110 which was an official pairing in 
itself. Do you think this is fair to honest dealers who do all the heavy 
lifting and follow the rules?


Image of entire NWA 1110 lot:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5631053

Bulletin entry:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1110=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=17124

Remember, that a so-called meteorite "dealer" went to jail for 
piggy-backing and self-classification of stones which turned out to be 
terrestrial.  Now that he is out, he is filling out whistle blower forms 
with the IRS on meteorite dealers in the United States in hopes of 
collecting a 15% reward.


Stones that are are self-paired carry a lot of risk,

Adam



On 11/3/2017 10:16 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

"Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to classify 
their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to fraud."

Hence my condition that the seller needs to be "reliable". A subjective term, 
yes, but it is impossible to formally pair every stone. If that were the expectation from 
collectors then very little material would change hands... Also, that is the slippery 
slope we live on. The only slope we live on. More on this below...

"Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight is really 
available."

Black Beauty sells high because it's an interesting classification, not because 
of low TKW... Low TKW alone is not a great motivating factor for collectors.

"Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to report 
accurate weights and number of stones."

Report to who? Report by who? I can't call up the MetSoc and say, "Hey I found ten 
more pieces of BB. Add these 80g to the TKW." It doesn't work that way. Not every 
specimen can come in form of an 11.53kg single mass with no pairings... ;-) If I want to 
formally pair ten pieces as paired to the original BB, all ten of them need to be 
studied, and have a classification written for them. What if 9 of them weigh less than 
4g? Who's going to sacrifice 20% plus another 1g for a thin section plus cut loss of 
those 9 specimens weighing less than 4g that they paid 500$/g to a Moroccan merchant? 
Apply that same logic to every other DCA worldwide and you'll need a workforce of 
scientists that cannot exist, all trained to handle the load of pairings.

We don't live in the reality where every piece of meteorite that should be 
formally paired can actually get formally paired, and I doubt we ever did or 
ever will. We live in the reality where buyers and dealers are responsible for 
deciding whether or not they are really buying BB (or any other specific 
classification) when they are buying a specimen that hasn't been formally 
paired. If they can't do that, then they should only buy from people who they 
consider trustworthy.

Stepping off my soapbox...

Have a good one.
John








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On 11/3/17 at 10:51 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to
classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable
sector to fraud.  One just needs to see the damage it created with
Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an
all-time low in regards to material from Mars.

Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight
is really available.  "Black Beauty" is an example of where, if the real
TKW where known, it would fetch only a fraction of its current price.
The recorded amount doesn't come close to how much is really available.

Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to
report accurate weights and number of stones.  Self-pairing,
piggybacking and bypassing all of the protections provided to collectors
by skipping established classification protocols places the entire
market in jeopardy.

Adam




On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of 
formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride 
themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just as important as 
what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then the "self-pairing", or 
"probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.

Cheers,

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

"Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to 
classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to 
fraud."

Hence my condition that the seller needs to be "reliable". A subjective term, 
yes, but it is impossible to formally pair every stone. If that were the 
expectation from collectors then very little material would change hands... 
Also, that is the slippery slope we live on. The only slope we live on. More on 
this below...

"Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight is 
really available."

Black Beauty sells high because it's an interesting classification, not because 
of low TKW... Low TKW alone is not a great motivating factor for collectors.

"Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to report 
accurate weights and number of stones."

Report to who? Report by who? I can't call up the MetSoc and say, "Hey I found 
ten more pieces of BB. Add these 80g to the TKW." It doesn't work that way. Not 
every specimen can come in form of an 11.53kg single mass with no pairings... 
;-) If I want to formally pair ten pieces as paired to the original BB, all ten 
of them need to be studied, and have a classification written for them. What if 
9 of them weigh less than 4g? Who's going to sacrifice 20% plus another 1g for 
a thin section plus cut loss of those 9 specimens weighing less than 4g that 
they paid 500$/g to a Moroccan merchant? Apply that same logic to every other 
DCA worldwide and you'll need a workforce of scientists that cannot exist, all 
trained to handle the load of pairings.

We don't live in the reality where every piece of meteorite that should be 
formally paired can actually get formally paired, and I doubt we ever did or 
ever will. We live in the reality where buyers and dealers are responsible for 
deciding whether or not they are really buying BB (or any other specific 
classification) when they are buying a specimen that hasn't been formally 
paired. If they can't do that, then they should only buy from people who they 
consider trustworthy.

Stepping off my soapbox...

Have a good one.
John








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On 11/3/17 at 10:51 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to 
> classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable 
> sector to fraud.  One just needs to see the damage it created with 
> Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an 
> all-time low in regards to material from Mars.
> 
> Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight 
> is really available.  "Black Beauty" is an example of where, if the real 
> TKW where known, it would fetch only a fraction of its current price. 
> The recorded amount doesn't come close to how much is really available.
> 
> Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to 
> report accurate weights and number of stones.  Self-pairing, 
> piggybacking and bypassing all of the protections provided to collectors 
> by skipping established classification protocols places the entire 
> market in jeopardy.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
> > Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...
> > 
> > It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept 
> > of formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they 
> > pride themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.
> > 
> > However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is 
> > just as important as what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then 
> > the "self-pairing", or "probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> > 
> > On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > 
> >> How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of
> >> the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings?
> >> The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would
> >> make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.
> >>
> >> This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported
> >> under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this
> >> pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been
> >> greatly exceeded.
> >>
> >> It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the
> >> market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of
> >> what is being offered.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>> Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD 
> >>> entry for the La'gad meteorite.
> >>> It was a simple, but polite, way to point out 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Self-pairing is a slippery slope.  Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to 
classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable 
sector to fraud.  One just needs to see the damage it created with 
Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an 
all-time low in regards to material from Mars.


Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight 
is really available.  "Black Beauty" is an example of where, if the real 
TKW where known, it would fetch only a fraction of its current price. 
The recorded amount doesn't come close to how much is really available.


Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to 
report accurate weights and number of stones.  Self-pairing, 
piggybacking and bypassing all of the protections provided to collectors 
by skipping established classification protocols places the entire 
market in jeopardy.


Adam




On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of 
formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride 
themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just as important as 
what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then the "self-pairing", or 
"probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of
the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings?
The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would
make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.

This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported
under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this
pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been
greatly exceeded.

It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the
market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of
what is being offered.

Adam


On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry.

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions:
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found
there is no question who owns this meteorite
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite.

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry.
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors.
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well.

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.
Bob V.

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Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :

La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

 Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that 
all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their 
answers in that entry. 
It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: there is no question, 
this is the La'gad meteorite there is no question who the classifier is, nor 
what is the classification there is no question who found this meteorite, or 
where it was found there is no question who owns this meteorite there is no 
question at all about the provenance of this meteorite there is no question 
that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 
The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. Having the 
stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and having the 
type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. Having the coords 
recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a number is a 
premium for collectors, as well. 
Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  Bob V. 
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:  
 
 

Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189
Cheers,Peter
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of 
formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride 
themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification. 

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just 
as important as what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then the 
"self-pairing", or "probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

> How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of 
> the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings? 
> The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would 
> make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.
> 
> This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported 
> under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this 
> pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been 
> greatly exceeded.
> 
> It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the 
> market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of 
> what is being offered.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD 
> > entry for the La'gad meteorite.
> > It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions 
> > that have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry.
> > 
> > It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
> > compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions:
> > there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite
> > there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification
> > there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found
> > there is no question who owns this meteorite
> > there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite
> > there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite.
> > 
> > The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
> > other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry.
> > Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
> > having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors.
> > Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and 
> > not a number is a premium for collectors, as well.
> > 
> > Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive 
> > addition to any collection.
> > Bob V.
> > 
> > --
> >   
> > On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
> > Meteorite-list  wrote:
> >  
> > Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> >> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> >> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?
> > 
> > https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

I meant to include the following information in my last message:  

The other Lunar meteorite from Western Sahara in this auction is NWA 10986 
(Lunar, highlands feldspathic impact-melt breccia). 
And if you have any questions about this Lunar, the answers can be found here 
in the Met Bull Database: 

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=64445 

Additional information is also on Randy Korotev's website (with images from 
Sarah Roberts) here: 

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa10986.htm 

Sarah Roberts and her colleagues have found this Lunar meteorite so interesting 
that they have published two papers: 
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2017/pdf/2220.pdf 
and 
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2017/pdf/6110.pdf 

Having in a collection a Lunar meteorite that has 2 papers published about it, 
is considered to be a premium by collectors. 

Bob V. 
Any questions? 
https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques


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Meteorite-list  wrote: 

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. 

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: 
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite 
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification 
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found 
there is no question who owns this meteorite 
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite 
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. 
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. 
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well. 

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  
Bob V. 

--
 
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Meteorite-list  wrote: 
    
Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of 
the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings? 
The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would 
make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.


This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported 
under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this 
pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been 
greatly exceeded.


It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the 
market using the La'gad nomenclature.  There are many keeping track of 
what is being offered.


Adam


On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry.

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions:
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found
there is no question who owns this meteorite
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite.

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry.
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors.
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well.

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.
Bob V.

--
  
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list  wrote:
 
Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :

La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. 

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: 
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite 
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification 
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found 
there is no question who owns this meteorite 
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite 
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. 
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. 
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well. 

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  
Bob V. 

--
 
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 
    
Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list]

> Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> 
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

I looked through the catalog and was shocked to see unclassified and 
unnamed stones being offered up as lunar and Martian meteorites!  Wow, 
the consignor must have saved a lot by completely bypassing the 
classification process.  Just throw out a worthless COA instead!


In the case of the La'gad stone, it looks as if somebody may be 
confusing the red caliche deposited by Long-term weathering for crust. 
Also the window displays saw marks! What ever happened to pride in 
workmanship?


Adam




On 11/2/2017 4:06 PM, Robert Verish wrote:



Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:






La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
 wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
online-version for your convenience at this link:

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

I think there may be something amiss here when several dozen stones were 
offered under La'gad name when only three are listed with a TKW of only 
338 grams.  This leads to the question; who studied this exact stone?


Self-pairings are so prevalent these days that prospective buyers have 
the right to know the exact provenance.


Adam



On 11/2/2017 4:06 PM, Robert Verish wrote:



Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:






La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
 wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
online-version for your convenience at this link:

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait 

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins 




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 






La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> 
> I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my 
> possession) of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this 
> auction that are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of 
> the meteorites in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara 
> appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and 
> the number of pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from 
> Western Sahara in this auction can be considered the official main masses.
> 
> For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
> additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
> compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
> originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
> I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
> auction:
> 
> https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad
> 
> Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior 
> with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images 
> depict a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it 
> represents the original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only 
> evidence remaining that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust 
> is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass.  
> This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche 
> that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from 
> this locality.
> The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy 
> Korotev image:
> 
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg
> 
> So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara 
> meteorites, thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
> And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
> http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
> Bob V.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson 
> via Meteorite-list  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?
> 
> Luther
> UK
> 
> 
>> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
>>> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
>>> and here is where you have seen it before:
>>>
>>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
>>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>>>
>>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
>>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>>>
>>> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>>>
>>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
>>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Bob V.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
>>> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
>>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
>>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
>>> other, are the many meteorites.
>>>
>>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
>>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
>>> material here.
>>>
>>> You may want to add this to your calendar:
>>>
>>> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
>>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324
>>>
>>> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
>>> online-version for your convenience at this link:
>>>
>>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
>>>
>>> I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.
>>>
>>> Bob V.
>>> __
>>>
> 
> 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Interesting, I typed it into the Meteoritical Bulletin search site and 
nothing shows up:


Here is the link I used:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php

In any case, how much of it is really out there? Only three stones 
weighing a total of 338 grams is recorded.


Adam




On 11/2/2017 3:38 PM, Peter Marmet wrote:


Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list 
>:


La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution 
or scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or 
self-paired?


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list]

> Am 02.11.2017 um 23:34 schrieb Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
> :
> 
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?


Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
 wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
online-version for your convenience at this link:

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.

Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.  

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance: 
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction: 

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad 

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior 
with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict 
a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the 
original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining 
that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained 
palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a 
carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche that is typically 
found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from this locality. 
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg 

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject. 
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
 
Bob V. 




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK


> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
>> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
>> and here is where you have seen it before:
>> 
>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>> 
>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>> 
>> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>> 
>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Bob V.
>> 
>> ---
>> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
>> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
>> other, are the many meteorites.
>> 
>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
>> material here.
>> 
>> You may want to add this to your calendar:
>> 
>> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324
>> 
>> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
>> online-version for your convenience at this link:
>> 
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
>> 
>> I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.
>> 
>> Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Luther Jackson via Meteorite-list]

What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK

> On 2 Nov 2017, at 00:07, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's up with the rust blooms on that endcut of Sericho? You can
> clearly see them in the catalog photo. I don't imagine that Heritage
> has anybody inspect these pieces before they promote them? It would be
> a bit disappointing to buy a major auction house specimen and have it
> disintegrate into a pile of shale of olivines later.
> 
> Just my two cents. Actual worth may vary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
>> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
>> and here is where you have seen it before:
>> 
>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>> 
>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>> 
>> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>> 
>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Bob V.
>> 
>> ---
>> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
>> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
>> other, are the many meteorites.
>> 
>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
>> material here.
>> 
>> You may want to add this to your calendar:
>> 
>> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324
>> 
>> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
>> online-version for your convenience at this link:
>> 
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
>> 
>> I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.
>> 
>> Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

What's up with the rust blooms on that endcut of Sericho? You can
clearly see them in the catalog photo. I don't imagine that Heritage
has anybody inspect these pieces before they promote them? It would be
a bit disappointing to buy a major auction house specimen and have it
disintegrate into a pile of shale of olivines later.

Just my two cents. Actual worth may vary.





On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
> and here is where you have seen it before:
>
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>
> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>
> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>
> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>
> Enjoy,
> Bob V.
>
> ---
> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>  wrote:
>
>
> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
> other, are the many meteorites.
>
> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
> material here.
>
> You may want to add this to your calendar:
>
> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324
>
> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
> online-version for your convenience at this link:
>
> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
>
> I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.
>
> Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean 
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 -- 
and here is where you have seen it before: 

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm 
All photos by Randy L. Korotev 

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":  
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous 

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published 
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.  

Enjoy,
Bob V.

--- 
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish 
 wrote: 


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog.  
The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the images are so 
large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog for all of the gold 
nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many 
meteorites.   

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian 
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary 
material here. 

You may want to add this to your calendar: 

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324 
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an 
online-version for your convenience at this link: 

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
 

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable. 

Bob V. 
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