Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I noticed a page for plants at http://microformats.org/wiki/plant. This was a little confusing to me. Is species insufficient? Insufficient for what? Has any work been done on the plant proposal, since March? Was there any

[uf-discuss] one of the big questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
On IRC recently, in http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-10-22#T000157 Tantek wrote: one of the big question (sic) for species in my mind is what should the microformats approach be in general to the publishing and sharing of scientific knowledge? and, shortly afterwards, in

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard URL for page being visited

2006-10-22 Thread Brian Suda
On 10/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that there should be some way to say that the URL of an hCard or hCalendar event is the URL of the page itself, without having to include a redundant, and accessibility-damaging link to that page, on the page itself. Or has

[uf-discuss] RE: Disconnect between hCard and RFC 2426 (vCard specification)?

2006-10-22 Thread Costello, Roger L.
Hi Folks, I sent this message a couple days ago and got no response, so I am resending. Does anyone have thoughts on the issue I raised? /Roger -Original Message- From: Costello, Roger L. Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:02 PM To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org Subject:

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Charles Roper
On 22/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All plants are species, and can be scientifically classified as such. Not all species are plants-for-sale, requiring a cultivation regime. A classic example of one of the differences between plants and species is that of the Potato (Solanum

Observations with using hCitation for Art (was Re: [uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal)

2006-10-22 Thread Jeremy Boggs
On Oct 21, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Well, actually, title is not going to be included, because of the no-namespace problem. E.g. it would conflict with hCard title, which is different. But fn is essentially used to achieve the same thing (if really awkwardly). Thanks for

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Disconnect between hCard and RFC 2426 (vCard specification)?

2006-10-22 Thread Brian Suda
On 10/22/06, Costello, Roger L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, I am reading the vCard specification (RFC 2426) and there seems to be some disconnects between it and the hCard specification. Terminology RFC 2426 uses the terminology type, e.g., FN Type hCard uses the terminology

Re: Observations with using hCitation for Art (was Re: [uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal)

2006-10-22 Thread Brian Suda
On 10/22/06, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One issue that comes up: When citing art, the life span of the creator is given. I notice that vCard/hCard does not have a way to mark up date of death, but does have date of birth. Are there thoughts on how to account for this? I've used

[uf-discuss] Microformats Presentation @ AJAX Experience

2006-10-22 Thread Kevin Lawver
Hi all, I'm giving a presentation on Microformats as they relate to mashups and DOM scripting at The AJAX Experience on Tuesday and would love it if some folks could take a look at my presentation and give me some feedback/suggestions - Especially if I've missed: 1. Existing

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard URL for page being visited

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 10/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that there should be some way to say that the URL of an hCard or hCalendar event is the URL of the page itself, without having to include a redundant, and

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes A classic example of one of the differences between plants and species is that of the Potato (Solanum tuberosum). Now, Solanum tuberosum is a species. Most of the potatos you buy in shops are Solanum tuberosum. All are, surely

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard URL for page being visited

2006-10-22 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/22/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. That's probably the best fix for the situation I describe; but it does require a change to the page, which is not supposed to be required by uFs. One of the key factors in microformats is to keep the data visible URL-of-current-page

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-22 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/21/06, Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give any real *disadvantages* to using output compression? The choice to use compression is one of bandwidth vs. processing time. I have personally had a bad experience with a cut-rate ISP who had some sort of CPU-usage throttling

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Charles Roper
On 22/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A classic example of one of the differences between plants and species is that of the Potato (Solanum tuberosum). Now, Solanum tuberosum is a species. Most of the potatos you buy in shops are Solanum tuberosum. All are, surely (unless you're

[uf-discuss] Size considerations and other property-names for species

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
I've updated the straw-man proposal for species [1], to reflect the consensus not to use these abbreviations: sci var (variety) bin (binominal) cult(cultivar) cname (common name; common used, instead) but what about these: subsp

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations and other property-names for species

2006-10-22 Thread Charles Roper
On 22/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bin (binominal) Binominal or binomial? A discussion on the subject here: http://tinyurl.com/tptsh cname (common name; common used, instead) Common seems like a very common term. How about vernacular instead? but

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes span class=biota [1] abbr class=binominal title=Solanum tuberosum span class=variety [2] Maris Piper /span /abbr /span I'm not at all

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes My main concern is that none of the examples (that I've looked through so far), with the exception of Andy's site, use any markup that looks anything like this. I'm not clear what you're asking for - pages that already use a

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations and other property-names for species

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes bin (binominal) Binominal or binomial? A discussion on the subject here: http://tinyurl.com/tptsh I'm ambivalent; but another taxonomist advised me, in e-mail, to avoid binomial, as that is also used in

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Benjamin West
This is catered for, in the current proposal, thus: span class=biota [1] abbr class=binominal title=Solanum tuberosum span class=variety [2] Maris Piper /span /abbr /span Allow me to simplify my earlier post.

Re: Observations with using hCitation for Art (was Re: [uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal)

2006-10-22 Thread Jeremy Boggs
On Oct 22, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Brian Suda wrote: there was a long thread about it last April, you can read through the archives: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006- April/003703.html i don't think much was agreed upon, but ideas were certainly floated. Ah,

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Benjamin West
Andy, Perhaps you could be more clear about what it is you want to know. ... What do you mean by authoring practices? ... What do you mean by the structure of the markup? ... I don't know how to be any more clear. I've assumed up until now that everyone had a relatively shared meaning of

[uf-discuss] include-pattern: FAQ empty support in hCalendar not clear

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
I've just been reading up on the include-pattern, with a view to using it in one of my events pages. This section on the i-p page says: http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern#Specifications_Using says that hCalendar is only considering using it; and the linked FAQ page doesn't exist.

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It reflects current publishing practice as precisely and completely as possible ... I'm still wondering how it does so. I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Have you find a reference to a living thing, in the context of

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Benjamin West
It reflects current publishing practice as precisely and completely as possible ... I'm still wondering how it does so. I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Perhaps we have different understandings of some words? We must not be sharing some crucial foundational concepts. Allow me to

Re: [uf-discuss] species questions; process: examples questions

2006-10-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It reflects current publishing practice as precisely and completely as possible ... I'm still wondering how it does so. I'm not sure what else I can tell you. Perhaps we have different understandings of some words? We

[uf-discuss] mailing list greatest hits

2006-10-22 Thread Chris Messina
Wanted to suggest an idea to promote learning-over-time and adding value to the list and IRC archives (I'd have created a few examples to demonstrate, but copy-paste and linking isn't convenient on the Blackberry yet). Anyway, at key decision points or to illuminate certain seemingly arbitrary

Re: [uf-discuss] mailing list greatest hits

2006-10-22 Thread Benjamin West
Yes, I was thinking of something like this. We can think of a given microformat as being at some place along a spectrum that ranges from: not thought of, interesting/compelling, rejected, needs work, documenting examples, brainstorming, official, drafts, iterations... and so on. I agree that we