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cardinal sin
Is this a pragmatic group that I'm working with, or a bunch of
religious zealots that I've managed to get entangle
a
microformat if it did not go through the documented microformat process
Agreed.
-Mike
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On Oct 26, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
I'm still not convinced. I've only heard generalities and no
specifics on anything
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Hi Mike,
Your always welcome to use HTML class name semantics or other
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On Oct 25, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Thanks Charles.
However I still have no idea why these things apply to specifying
which page among of group of equivalent pages is authoritative and why
On 10/26/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks. That maybe solves this use case. Can you do the same using link
in the head in case you don't want the hyperlink visible? Or what about
on a div within body? And do you know if the search engines pay any
attention to this?
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I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening @ - what
does it mean?
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As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment.
:-)
Why shouldn't he call it a microformat?
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I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening @ -
what
does it mean?
I'm not sure on the etymology, but they're referring to attributes
On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
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Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment.
:-)
Why shouldn't he call it a microformat?
Because it hasn't gone through the (fairly
On Oct 26, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
I'm still not convinced. I've only heard generalities and no
specifics on
anything I've heard regarding my use-case. RDF is far to
complicated for
the average person creating HTML; one reason why I don't think it
will ever
fly. I still
On 26 Oct 2006, at 18:35, Colin Barrett wrote:
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I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening @
- what
does it mean?
I'm not sure on the
On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
On 26 Oct 2006, at 18:35, Colin Barrett wrote:
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I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening @
On 27 Oct 2006, at 00:58, Colin Barrett wrote:
@ represents an attribute, so @rel=tag means @rel tag with the
value ‘tag’. The most advanced I've seen it get in general
discussion is of the form [EMAIL PROTECTED], which means ‘element
named foo with an attribute bar with value ‘sheep’.
: Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
On Oct 24, 2006, at 3:41 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Is there a clear and definitive objective statement that explains the
class of problems that microformats are intended to solve?
I've not sure the context of this question, but I think
, 2006 5:58 PM
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Hello Mike,
XML, Semantic HTML, and RDF are closely related to what is being done here.
But there's alot of other technologies for specific areas. Like with
multimedia type thigns we have
-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
Hello Mike,
XML, Semantic HTML, and RDF are closely related to what is being
done here.
But there's alot of other technologies for specific areas. Like with
multimedia type thigns we have SMIL, XSPF, etc etc.
For databases like things we have
On Oct 25, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Thanks Charles.
However I still have no idea why these things apply to specifying
which page
among of group of equivalent pages is authoritative and why
Microformats do
not. The latter seem a perfect fit to me, and what you listed
either
Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
So, what if your take on this problem and use-case?
Search engines make use of shingles to identify pages and their aliases.
Some search engines employ teams of editors and solicit feedback from the
web community to ensure
] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?
On 10/23/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd suggest could be solved using an appropriate new [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and
then
convicing the search engines to pay attention to it ;-)
Do you mean in head? Did you see my earlier comments about
On Oct 24, 2006, at 3:41 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Is there a clear and definitive objective statement that explains
the class
of problems that microformats are intended to solve?
I've not sure the context of this question, but I think the closest
we have is from the about page [1]:
Brian Suda recently said:
the problem with using Meta elements is that they are out-side
of human-readable realm. One of the key factors in microformats
is to keep the data visible, it keeps it fresh, prevents many of
the abuses that have befallen meta-keywords, and also allows
for
On 10/22/06 11:10 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Suda recently said:
the problem with using Meta elements is that they are out-side
of human-readable realm. One of the key factors in microformats
is to keep the data visible, it keeps it fresh, prevents many of
the
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On 10/22/06 11:10 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Suda recently said
On 10/23/06 12:11 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not worth or appropriate to make the information visible, then
it is not worth trusting the information and certainly not worth the time to
make a microformat for it.
But what if the website publisher (or graphic
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
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Rarely is metadata actually metadata.
It is most often simply properties of the information which are still
relevant to the user and thus should be visible.
If it is not worth or appropriate to make the information visible,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
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But what if the website publisher (or graphic designer) does not want that
information to be visible on the page?
Then it is not worth trusting the information nor worth the time making a
microformat for it.
Again,
Hello Andy,
On 10/23/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
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Rarely is metadata actually metadata.
It is most often simply properties of the information which are still
relevant to the user and thus should be visible.
If
On 10/23/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider a page of events, with variable start times; and an
introductory paragraph which says all events last for two hours.
You're saying that the microformat should not include a dtend with the
end time, for each event, because that end time
towards what will actually be used (because if it won't be used, it
won't be beneficial.)
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create yet another initiative for hidden
Microformat-like metadata? :-)
-Mike
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For the specific example you mention, the '2 hours' declaration could
probably be used as the DURATION (probably with an ABBR) and then
transcluded into each VEVENT using the include-pattern.
do many parsers out there support include-pattern yet?
... whereas any older or very simple
On 10/23/06, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the specific example you mention, the '2 hours' declaration could
probably be used as the DURATION (probably with an ABBR) and then
transcluded into each VEVENT using the include-pattern.
do many parsers out there support include-pattern
On 10/23/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd suggest could be solved using an appropriate new [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
then
convicing the search engines to pay attention to it ;-)
Do you mean in head? Did you see my earlier comments about wikis, CMS,
and forums, where the user
So, what if your take on this problem and use-case?
Search engines make use of shingles to identify pages and their
aliases. Some search engines employ teams of editors and solicit
feedback from the web community to ensure their aliasing techniques
are correct. As far as I can tell, this
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