Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-12-01 Thread digital spaghetti
I agree. Microformats are very organic at the moment and I think making more lists to discuss it would have the effect of braking up the community. Discussing on one list allows me to see what's going on as a whole and though one microformat might not suit my needs its good to see what's

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-28 Thread Tim Hodson
I'm someone who signed up to this list yesterday as a newbie. I would rather have one list to look through, I can easily sift entries that are not relevant to me, but the sifting process also raises my awareness of topics and nuances of debate within the community. I do not want to be

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-27 Thread Ben Buchanan
I agree. Creating a list for each proposal seems unmanageable and would result in a lot of dead lists eventually. I imagine that there'd still be one or two main lists and the others might have bursts of activity, but mostly they'd just sit around empty. Given the overheads for both admins and

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal [plain text] [tagging] [e-mail] If we want new people [1] to come and participate then that's a lot to ask then to take on board, at the beginning. I'd expect

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-27 Thread Ben Buchanan
Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal [plain text] [tagging] [e-mail] If we want new people [1] to come and participate then that's a lot to ask then to take on board, at the beginning. I'd expect that if someone was keen enough to be joining this list they could probably

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-27 Thread Ben Buchanan
I'd expect that if someone was keen enough to be joining this list they could probably pick up the concept pretty quickly. It's the people who are *not* keen enough to be joining this list who we need to consider. I'm not totally convinced about that ;) It's hard enough for keen people to find

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The problem is that the current Microformat process is not at all scalable. You seem to assume that we want to scale. :D And you imply

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-25 Thread Chris Messina
On 11/15/06, Bob Jonkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all in favour of integrating forums and mailing lists. A message or post is just a block of data to be stored in a database. Data is entered or extracted either by e-mail or a browser, or a news client, or an IRC client, or a Wiki, or

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The problem is that the current Microformat process is not at all scalable. You seem to assume that we want to scale. :D And you imply that we do not. Can you

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-15 Thread Bob Jonkman
I'm a bit late, but do want to add my bit to the mailing list debate.. This is what was said about Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate [...] If people want to filter things out, or draw particular attention to a thread being related to a specific proposal, using the [hCard] notation (for

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:37 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: I'm going to reply to several responses at once. Why not create a new mailing list for each proposal, once it's reached a certain stage? Ryan King Because

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The problem is that the current Microformat process is not at all scalable. You seem to assume that we want to scale. :D And you imply that we do not. Can you explain your reasoning, please, including your definition of we? --

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-07 Thread Mike Schinkel
-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal On 11/7/06 9:59 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to assume that we want to scale. :D However, those solutions are against the grain of microformats. They'd no longer be simple, they'd no longer work together. There would

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/7/06 12:16 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing in what I'm envisioning or proposing that would make them theoretical. I would just like to address more areas that it appears you want to address. Per the microformats process, you may begin researching real world

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If people want to filter things out, or draw particular attention to a thread being related to a specific proposal, using the [hCard] notation (for example) works quite well in the subject field. I concur. Filtering

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-03 Thread Chris Messina
Wow. This thread spiraled into nowhere land quickly. I mean, once you're into personal preferences, you know that you're never going to win. Some prefer email, some forums, some RSS -- hell -- it's just the *display* of data. Thank g*d we separated those two a long time ago so that people can

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-03 Thread Mike Schinkel
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frances Berriman Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:15 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal On 11/3/06, Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people want to filter things out, or draw particular

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-03 Thread Mike Schinkel
Colin: I'm going to reply to you point for point because, frankly after reading your reply I felt like you were dredging up excuses, not reasons and I just feel compelled to challege your assertions. To the rest of you, please feel free it ignore the rest of my email if you would rather not be

RE: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-03 Thread Mike Schinkel
Of Chris Messina Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:44 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal Wow. This thread spiraled into nowhere land quickly. I mean, once you're into personal preferences, you know that you're never going to win. Some

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-02 Thread Mike Schinkel
I'm going to reply to several responses at once. Why not create a new mailing list for each proposal, once it's reached a certain stage? Ryan King Because that's more administrative overhead for Ryan King admin's who're already overloaded. The problem is that the current Microformat process

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-02 Thread Benjamin West
If people want to filter things out, or draw particular attention to a thread being related to a specific proposal, using the [hCard] notation (for example) works quite well in the subject field. I concur. Filtering features are well supported on many of the mail clients I've seen, and a

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-01 Thread Brian Suda
On 11/1/06, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin, I don't like forums because I have to go to a website to use them. RSS anyone :-) I love my forum changes popping up in my feedreader. Compared with older, non RSS based forums, it has definitely made a world of difference. --- we

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-11-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:48 AM, Brian Suda wrote: we talked awhile ago how to get this Mailing list via RSS Depending on your feed reader you could filter by topic/keyword etc. As for how to reply, people can subscribe to the

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-31 Thread John Allsopp
Andy, On 01/11/2006, at 9:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: That may be technically possible, but it's not going to appeal to the people I referred to in my earlier post: For example, several academic and professional taxonomists have told me in e-mail that they would be

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-31 Thread John Allsopp
Colin, I don't like forums because I have to go to a website to use them. RSS anyone :-) I love my forum changes popping up in my feedreader. Compared with older, non RSS based forums, it has definitely made a world of difference. I'd much rather work from my email client, which has a

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-30 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 24, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Why not create a new mailing list for each proposal, once it's reached a certain stage? Because that's more administrative overhead for admin's who're already overloaded. -ryan

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-30 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 24, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Why not create a new mailing list for each proposal, once it's reached a certain stage? Because that's more administrative overhead for admin's who're already

RE: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-25 Thread Mike Schinkel
Andy Mabbett Why not create a new mailing list for each proposal, once it's reached a certain stage? I tend to really like this proposal. I've been thinking about if and how Microformats can evolve and grow. I can see Microformats being potentially much larger helping to create tags in many

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-24 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, It's too bad we can't tag e-mail messages. That way your colleagues could filter this mailing list and only get the messages they want. (Perhaps we need a nanoformat... for plain text e-mail... like the ones someone here was working on for SMS messages, I think.) See ya On 10/24/06,

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-24 Thread Benjamin West
It's too bad we can't tag e-mail messages. That way your colleagues could filter this mailing list and only get the messages they want. Don't we already employ a sort of tagging through use of square brackets? [uf-discuss] seems like a tag to me. Followed by [hcard] or [species] would tag

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-24 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, Good point! And if people complained about too many of these tags (in the subject line). And not being able to read the real subject, then you could just stick all your tags at the end of the subject. As in... Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal [plain

Re: [uf-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal

2006-10-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
-discuss] Mailing list debate moved new proposal [plain text] [tagging] [e-mail] If we want new people [1] to come and participate then that's a lot to ask then to take on board, at the beginning. [1] do we? -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net