if
possible.
This mostly seems to work well, but I agree that div class=hsummary
might be a nice idea. If it existed, I'd probably nestle it between #1 and
#2 above, though it's somewhat harder to implement for a naive HTML parser
than #2 is.
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Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
Sorry... that was suppose to have been off list :-)
No problem. It's all done dynamically too, so I don't need to worry about
manually changing it. :-)
We'd better stop chattering now as it's off-topic.
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; rel-license could
perhaps be used in some sensible way when a page is saved.
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URLs in demiblog
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog
to
show this information to human users.
4. I'm not sure about scheme:dcmitype. Are schemes necessary, or is that
going too far?
5. Could somehow integrate with XOXO?
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Ciaran McNulty wrote:
p class=vcardem class=fnCiaran/p
pMcNulty/em/p
(which I think is valid HTML)
You think wrong. Valid HTML requires all elements to be nested correctly.
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it unique.
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Political Map of the UK
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advanced magic is distinguishable from
technology.
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Pelle W wrote:
Wouldn't metadata-enabled browser be one possible description?
Contact-aware browser;
Calendar-aware browser;
Geo-aware browser;
etc...
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that, parsers
MUST assume this content to be the street-address.
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Open Mobile Alliance DTD Oops!
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog
that I've got it right. Does anyone have any hints on how the document
could be improved to make it into a more useful metadata profile?
For an example of a site that *uses* the metadata profile, see my sig.
Thanks in advance,
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would be scattered throughout the text as
appropriate, which is more human-friendly.
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be of interest.
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On http://example.org/article/my-php-tutorial/ I might use rel=tag to link
to http://example.org/tag/programming/.
But on http://example.org/tag/programming/ should I use rev=tag to link to
each tagged article?
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http://demiblog.org/schemes/metadata?ver=0.2.3. Does it comply
with the spirit of the XMDP spec (I know it slightly deviates from
the letter)? How about GRDDL?
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value:2007-08-1616 Aug/span
Colon and dashes are allowed values for class names in HTML. Not 100% sure
about the plus sign which is needed for timezones, but I think that's
allowed in class names too.
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and tomorrow that page were replaced by an introductory page, I doubt I'd
want to change the link. People visiting my page could still click on the
link and would find the specification, albeit indirectly.
The real danger is with #fragment identifiers. :-(
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/div
Hopefully the title on the abbr should not trigger the abbr-design-
pattern, because NSW is more appropriate for printing on address
labels.
How do existing implementations handle the above example?
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to use the existing semantic facilities in
(X)HTML. Introducing namespaces will cause documents to fail (X)HTML DTD
validation.
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It'll
this probably encroaches upon the territory of FOAF.
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Sharing Music with Apple iTunes
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including as a reference, which is a somewhat narrower
meaning.
If your interpretation is right, then it would be equally correct to write:
pciteCheese/cite is a citefood/cite./p
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listing of letters.
Not sure about linking recipients to letters. You may need to define your
own rel/rev=recipient.
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CSS
with this proposed usage pattern, then perhaps another
character could be used. I rather like '@foo', or maybe even a combination
such as '@#foo'.
I shall add to the Wiki momentarily...
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Toby A Inkster wrote:
The order of the space-delimited class attributes should be considered
significant -- that is, in foo class=bar #baz the content referred
to by #baz is logically included as the last child of the foo element,
but in foo class=#baz bar, it is logically included
be found in my signature.
In particular, you may be interested in how I link from document to author:
link rev=made
rel=DC.creator
title=Toby Inkster
href=http://tobyinkster.co.uk/~tobyink/;
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than any other suggested
include pattern, so I fail to see how this is relevant.
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http
Ryan King wrote:
Toby A Inkster wrote:
It does claim that it's a set of class names, and in mathematical
parlance sets are unordered by definition, and must not contain
duplicates, but it's unlikely that the framers of the HTML 4.01 spec
intended the world set to be interpreted in that way
have a special significance attached to
them by the HTML spec, but they do still have an inherent order.
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. For example,
certain social networks are able to import lists of friends, family and
colleagues from XFN-enabled web pages.
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The Great
Paul Wilkins wrote:
Toby A Inkster wrote:
The order of the paragraphs doesn't have a special significance, yet
the paragraphs do have an inherent order. Similarly, the order of class
names within a class attribute don't have a special significance
attached to them by the HTML spec
/html
title=Toby Inkster
href=http://tobyinkster.co.uk/~tobyink/;
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The Great IE8 Meta Tag
microformats much easier to explicitly not use.
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The Great IE8 Meta Tag Debacle
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/02/06/ie-8
feedback supplied as a patch!
Also any ideas for future direction are welcome.
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Mince Dumplings
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a link to contact information for the current document.
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is misleading and should be changed. If the class name *is*
a requirement, then can these examples be removed and replaced with
conforming examples?
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Toby A Inkster wrote:
For the last week or so, I've been writing the beginnings of what I plan
to be a GUI browser in Perl (probably using an embedded Gecko rendering
engine, or WebKit if the Perl bindings get sorted out eventually). The
browser will have a heavy emphasis on metadata
This successfully parses both the pages you mentioned above.
Thanks again,
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property=dc:creatorJoe Bloggs/span
Then it will know that my hCard was created by Joe Bloggs. Not quite there
yet, but nearly.
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truly
be my own) first to crystallise my thoughts before letting other people
play with them.
There's also the issue that the *-brainstorming pages tend to be fairly
unstructured, and I'm trying to keep my ramblings organised in a more spec-
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as out of hand doesn't account
for the several years of discussion that went into it.
If there are other justifications then fair enough, but these are not
documented on the wiki, nor easily findable by Googling through the
microformats-discuss archives.
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and potential alternatives http://microformats.org/
wiki/abbr-design-pattern-alternatives (mostly unimplemented in parsers).
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Toby A Inkster wrote:
There are still a few things that I want to take care of before I
release alpha3 publicly.
Took a bit longer than expected, but alpha3 is here:
http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/
The main microformat-related changes for this version are that data found
with an accessible alternative datetime pattern and wait for the parsers
to catch up with me.
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of the TD;
}
}
After this, the table design pattern has been normalised, so that
the hCalendar/hCard can be parsed as normal without having to worry
about the pattern at all.
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out how to use
hCard instead.
Not a particularly useful example: the table headers don't contain any
microformat classes. Also, what's up with the extra uid classes for each
event?
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://
buzzword.org.uk/cognition/ and plan on using it when I add hAtom support
to demiblog http://demiblog.org/. (hCalendar was previously rolled back
out of demiblog due to accessibility concerns. hCard, XFN and rel-tag are
currently used though.)
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Toby A Inkster wrote:
It is fair enough to take time to consider these things carefully before
issuing an edict (perhaps if that had been done to begin with we would
have never ended up with a broken datetime design pattern), but while
the community dithers over deciding upon a replacement
that.
2008W106T190312.000+, here I come!
In fact, hCard and hReview don't even normatively reference ISO8601, so
theoretically span class=bdayFirst of June 1980/span should be
allowed, though that's just being plain cruel to parsers!
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Manu Sporny wrote:
I'd like to see the ban on Andy reduced to a month or lifted
completely.
I shall be concise, because Manu has already gone into plenty of
details, but...
+1
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relationships. If two people have the same
foaf:workHomepage, then they are probably co-workers.
2. FOAF is RDF. You can mix and match RDF vocabularies.
http://vocab.org/relationship/
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friend href=#aliceAlice/
a./p
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each spec
considered individually.
What we *should* add to the next version of XFN is rel=fiend, to keep
people on their toes.
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: just the underlying model. RDF encodes three things:
subject predicate object
e.g.
X foaf:name Toby Inkster
X foaf:maker Y
Y dc:identifier http://tobyinkster.co.uk;
Y dc:titleTobyInkster.co.uk
and so on. Although
://examples.tobyinkster.co.uk/hcard (click cognify)
FOAF and microformats *can* work nicely together.
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The Semantic Web
identifier (which must
conform to IRI syntax) for every object being described.
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in Alice's phone
number, or person2's name and e-mail address. Maybe we won't.
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#Creative_Commons_Vocab
A key feature is that it uses rev=license to link from a licence
summary to the licensed work, thus allowing the work to be targeted
in more detail (e.g. fragment identifiers can be used), and
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the robot is wasting time and bandwidth if it needs to download
Bob's page. So if Alice's page has an hCard with a UID property set to the
same URL as the target of the XFN link, this hCard may be used instead.
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browsers, with image loading
enabled), @title is more visible than @alt, the former of which only
needs a mouse-over to see the tool tip, whereas the latter requires
view-source.
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plummetted! /
em class=legendimg src=caption-in-fancy-font.png
title=Caption
alt=Widget sales for 2007 Q4. //em
/div
Same interpretation. I can't imagine that many people would do
captions this way though.
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later today. I can vouch that it's no harder to implement than ABBR, and
it's very easy for a tool to support both.
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Earth
Ben Ward wrote:
Each week a new Wiki page will be created to live-edit the ‘This Week…’
post, and everyone is invited to contribute to it.
Has this died out already?
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string as a value,
whereas surely it should be an array? People can have multiple phone
numbers. Ditto the single string for email and the single object for
address.
If these issues could be addressed, I'd be happy to work on a jCard output
module for Cognition.
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be represented separately from the
address.
http://lib.omnia-computing.de/images/JCard.png
You have n as being 0..*. Each hCard should have exactly one n
property, Though it may be implied rather than explicit, and it may
be empty in the case of hCards for organisations.
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: there's plenty of empty arrays.
key: [], mailer: [], etc
I hope to get that fixed too. But otherwise, nearly there!
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at outputting a structure that is equivalent to the
output from json_decode.
Is there an obvious representation in any other programming languages?
Could be done in the same way in Perl, using the from_json function.
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repositories if you want it:
http://demiblog.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/demiblog/trunk/blog/PEAR/
Services/
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http
://srv.buzzword.org.uk/ or as a Perl module.
An example hCard which includes a couple of agents -- one of each form --
is at http://examples.tobyinkster.co.uk/hcard.
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(e.g.
attempts to include an ancestor node).
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http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/04/06
Julian Bond wrote:
- Modifications to reduce dependencies and just possibly work with PHP4
PHP4 has been dead since the beginning of January. There will be no
further releases apart from the odd security fix. For projects looking to
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on in php.ini or a .htaccess file in a matter of
seconds.
PHP6 will be a more painful switch for those with legacy code. (But still
fairly painless for those updating from PHP5-style code.)
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and neighbor values could also be construed in such a
manner.
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Ryan Parman wrote:
On Apr 10, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.dom-domdocument-loadhtml.php
This is interesting -- especially if it works. However the version
information is noted as CVS-only. Is this in a shipping version of PHP
yet?
I've
misinterpret
pages like the ones described in this thread.
http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard
http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-to-foaf
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be the other way around: Tantek
apprenticeTo Julie; not Tantek mentorOf Julie. (Yes, the terms
mentor and apprentice seem a bit odd, but they're about the
closest terms that the FOAF relationships extension has to muse.)
Also, you needlessly output multiple foaf:knows for each person.
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cognition-20080415.ics
http://examples.tobyinkster.co.uk/hcalendar-acid1-
cognition-20080415.rdf
Cognition's output is by no means perfect: handling of attendees,
contacts and organisers in particular could be improved.
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:
span class=fnabbr title=Toby A. Inksterspan
class=valueFoo/span/abbr/span
FIGHT!
Under my interpretation, FN is Toby A. Inkster. The span with class
value is ignored, as it is the child of an abbr with a non-empty
title attribute.
Yet abbr versus value can be used for good as well
of one include including another include which
references the first include, but yes, preventing the inclusion of an
ancestor node does go a long way to a solution.
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.
You can try Cognition through the web based interface, but I highly
recommend downloading it and using it on your own computer, because
the web interface is r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w.
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provided above, and
your original example.
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forget to
use the CSS cursor property to disable the pointing hand cursor.)
1. Google for urn:sha1 (in quotes) returns almost a quarter of a
million results. It's mostly used for P2P, but that shouldn't stop us
re-employing it here.
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that were not authored from the ground up with eRDF in mind.)
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* Support for COinS
* Support for meta name=ICBM
http://buzzword.org.uk/cognition/
May the fourth be with you!
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look for two semi-
colon or comma delimited numbers anywhere in the HTML code (including
href attributes, comments, whatever!), but that is an extension of
the geo spec — it's not a standard part of it.
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I see an error that required property author not specified
An author is required for *each* hentry, but the spec allows this
required element to be missing and provides instructions for
parsers to determine the author in these cases.
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* Else, element content.
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I'm wondering, can you also configure screen readers to expand out
titles on any elements?
Not any of which I'm aware. There is a good article on this issue here:
http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/articles/WE05/forms.html
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The best way to get going is to use auto detect, example:
http://transformr.co.uk/detect/http://tantek.com/
Auto-detect... now that is a good idea... I'm going to copy you:
http://srv.buzzword.org.uk/detect/tantek.com/
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/abbr
/span
Which seems to work in many current parsers.
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' and 'dtend') does not make things any better.
The abbr design pattern is good and should work, but we really must
have an alternative for those times when it doesn't make good
semantic sense.
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most Atom is not published by
hand, but by the same CMS that powers the HTML, so in these cases,
this technique won't save any work.)
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type=text/html
body
div class=hentry
h1 class=entry-titleEntry 2/h1
p class=entry-contentContent./p
/div
/body
/html
What do other people think?
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Zhang Zhen wrote:
rel=next is a relationship between two documents, as well as
*between two hfeed*.
Yes, but rel=next is a relationship between two documents, as well
as between *two hfeeds*. ;-)
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string (ignore)
(\#.*)? # Fragment (ignore)
$/x
Use the first sub-pattern match as the tag.
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by noticing that the fn and organization-
unit properties are identical, so the kind must be group.
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