Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-10 Thread Carl Kleffner 
FYI,

in 2009 Earnie Boyd, MinGW project leader wrote the following:


























*https://sourceforge.net/p/mingw/mailman/message/21560977/
Re:
[Mingw-users] The Fedora cross-compiler projectFrom: Earnie Boyd
 - 2009-02-12 12:44:01Quoting "Richard W.M. Jones"
:> Hi,>> Gianluca pointed me to the discussion here:>
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.mingw.user/28909
>> First of all, I
hope we didn't get off on the wrong foot.>> There are a couple of things
I'd like to say in reference to that> thread.  Firstly, my apologies for
not communicating what we were> doing back to you before now.  Secondly,
our use of the name "MinGW"> is unfortunate for us: Originally we were just
going to recompile the> MinGW packages from Debian (basically just the
compiler/binutils/> w32api & runtime), and since then things have spiralled
out of control> so now we are packaging dozens of libraries as well, and
the> "mingw32-" prefix and MinGW name stuck.>I just want to let you know
that we have no trademark rights on the names MinGW, mingw32, mingw64 or
any other spelling of it.  Therefore, legally you have the right to use it.*

*...*

I can only assume that at least all projects with "mingw" inside from this
period
have the irrevocable right to use their usual name.

Maybe this could be a problem for newer projects.
(I am not a lawyer)

Carl


Am Mo., 10. Mai 2021 um 17:31 Uhr schrieb Liu Hao :

> 在 2021-05-10 15:28, Roland Schwingel 写道:
> > Hi
> >
> > We (Kai Tietz and me on behalf of OneVision) started the "gcc on win64"
> > project in 2007.
> >
> > Opensourced it as mingw-w64 in 2008 (as far as I can remember), So
> > mingw-w64 is prior art before registering mingw. But also, I am no
> lawyer.
> >
> > Keep up the good work and don't be confused by trolls,
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for your generosity!
>
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-10 Thread Liu Hao 

在 2021-05-10 15:28, Roland Schwingel 写道:

Hi

We (Kai Tietz and me on behalf of OneVision) started the "gcc on win64"
project in 2007.

Opensourced it as mingw-w64 in 2008 (as far as I can remember), So
mingw-w64 is prior art before registering mingw. But also, I am no lawyer.

Keep up the good work and don't be confused by trolls,




Thanks for your generosity!


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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-10 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf 
Sourceforge says 2007-08-09 for mingw-w64.
The trademark claim is bogus :)

jb

On Mon, 10 May 2021, at 09:28, Roland Schwingel wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We (Kai Tietz and me on behalf of OneVision) started the "gcc on win64" 
> project in 2007. 
> 
> Opensourced it as mingw-w64 in 2008 (as far as I can remember), So 
> mingw-w64 is prior art before registering mingw. But also, I am no lawyer.
> 
> Keep up the good work and don't be confused by trolls,
> 
> ppa. Roland Schwingel
> -
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> From:   "Joachim Wuttke" 
> To: 
> Date:   08.05.2021 13:30
> Subject:[Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Marshall argues at https://stackoverflow.com/a/62865466/1017348
> that you are doing illegal things, and that perhaps I am rendering
> myself culpable by recommending use of your software.
> 
> What is your position on this?
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-10 Thread Roland Schwingel 

Hi

We (Kai Tietz and me on behalf of OneVision) started the "gcc on win64" 
project in 2007.


Opensourced it as mingw-w64 in 2008 (as far as I can remember), So 
mingw-w64 is prior art before registering mingw in 2013. But also, I am 
no lawyer.


Keep up the good work and don't be confused by trolls,

ppa. Roland Schwingel
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OneVision Software AG, Dr. Leo-Ritter-Str. 9, 93049 Regensburg, Germany
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-10 Thread Roland Schwingel 
Hi

We (Kai Tietz and me on behalf of OneVision) started the "gcc on win64" 
project in 2007. 

Opensourced it as mingw-w64 in 2008 (as far as I can remember), So 
mingw-w64 is prior art before registering mingw. But also, I am no lawyer.

Keep up the good work and don't be confused by trolls,

ppa. Roland Schwingel
-
Roland Schwingel, Head of Research & Development
OneVision Software AG, Dr. Leo-Ritter-Str. 9, 93049 Regensburg, Germany
Phone: +49 941 78004 0 --- Fax  : +49 941 78004 111
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From:   "Joachim Wuttke" 
To: 
Date:   08.05.2021 13:30
Subject:    [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims



Keith Marshall argues at https://stackoverflow.com/a/62865466/1017348
that you are doing illegal things, and that perhaps I am rendering
myself culpable by recommending use of your software.

What is your position on this?

Kind regards and thanks for mingw-w64, Joachim


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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread NightStrike 
On Sat, May 8, 2021, 01:28 Joachim Wuttke  wrote:

> Keith Marshall argues at https://stackoverflow.com/a/62865466/1017348
> that you are doing illegal things, and that perhaps I am rendering
> myself culpable by recommending use of your software.
>
> What is your position on this?
>
> Kind regards and thanks for mingw-w64, Joachim
>

1) he's a troll that's upset because nobody of consequence uses his stuff
anymore

2) he registered that name 8 years after we were using ours, and it only
got approved 13 years after we started this project

3) he is assuming that a US trademark affects the global user base, which
it does not

Bottom line, his project will eventually fade away into obscurity.

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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread Carl Kleffner 
FYI , you can find this:
https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/mingw/


Am Sa., 8. Mai 2021 um 16:08 Uhr schrieb sisyphus :

> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:13 PM Zach Bacon  wrote:
>
> > Because of trademarks, if it has mingw in the name, then it could
> > constitute as a violation, regardless if it has -w64 in it or not.
> >
>
> Yeah, but that needs to be tested in a court first.
> Keith has implied that it's "fait accompli", and that's just bullshit.
>
> Still ... I guess it pays to be mindful of the possibilities ...
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread sisyphus 
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:13 PM Zach Bacon  wrote:

> Because of trademarks, if it has mingw in the name, then it could
> constitute as a violation, regardless if it has -w64 in it or not.
>

Yeah, but that needs to be tested in a court first.
Keith has implied that it's "fait accompli", and that's just bullshit.

Still ... I guess it pays to be mindful of the possibilities ...

Cheers,
Rob

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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread Zach Bacon 
Because of trademarks, if it has mingw in the name, then it could
constitute as a violation, regardless if it has -w64 in it or not. However
like Biswa, I'm no lawyer.

On Sat., May 8, 2021, 9:05 a.m. Biswapriyo Nath, 
wrote:

> This is not MinGW, this is MinGW-w64. BTW, I'm just a normal human not a
> lawyer.
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread Biswapriyo Nath 
This is not MinGW, this is MinGW-w64. BTW, I'm just a normal human not a
lawyer.

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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread sisyphus 
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 9:28 PM Joachim Wuttke 
wrote:

> Keith Marshall argues at https://stackoverflow.com/a/62865466/1017348
> that you are doing illegal things, and that perhaps I am rendering
> myself culpable by recommending use of your software.
>
> What is your position on this?
>
>
:-

Sorry ...(I assume that) I'm not one of the people to whom this post is
addressed.
But it's Sat'dy night over here, I've had half a bottle of wine, and I just
couldn't resist the invitation.

Cheers,
Rob

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[Mingw-w64-public] MINGW trademark claims

2021-05-08 Thread Joachim Wuttke 

Keith Marshall argues at https://stackoverflow.com/a/62865466/1017348
that you are doing illegal things, and that perhaps I am rendering
myself culpable by recommending use of your software.

What is your position on this?

Kind regards and thanks for mingw-w64, Joachim


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