Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Илья Шипицин
we tried those certs. they are not trusted by mobile devices. and those certificates are free only for 3 months (you are supposed to buy them after that). so, it's marketing stuff, not a real deal. 5 MARTA 2012 G. 13:49 POLXZOWATELX Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar NAPISAL: On

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Fritz Wuehler
On Sunday 04 March 2012 12:12:19 Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: the reason is you can download source code, look at it, make sure for yourself there's no backdoors, build your own ISO from source code You can but nobody does. If the entire OpenBSD team can't finish a complete

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 2012-03-05 06:08, iLXQ {IPICIN wrote: we tried those certs. they are not trusted by mobile devices. and those certificates are free only for 3 months (you are supposed to buy them after that). so, it's marketing stuff, not a real deal. That's totally wrong. They last a year, and you can

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
Am Montag, 5. MC$rz 2012, 10:12:02 schrieb PP;Q Q P(P8P?P8QP8P=: P.S. I'm not a paranoic, but I respect people to be paranoic if they want to. You can be paranoid about the sources and binaries all you want, but you still don't know the CPU which executes all that code. Even if Intel/AMD

Re: USB connection strangenes

2012-03-05 Thread Mihai Popescu
Here I see another thing with USB connection. The machine is a Thinkpad T43 laptop, only 2 stacked USB ports. I connected a Genius USB mouse and left it connected. The OS boots correctly and sometimes, right after the login: prompt I can see the disconnect message for the mouse without phisically

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Henning Brauer
* Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at [2012-03-05 12:01]: That's the reason why companies which make secure encryption devices would never trust any CPU/OS combo. Depending on paranoia they offer you either an FPGA based solution or a hard wired one from logic ICs. dream on. -- Henning

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Илья Шипицин
I'd agree that 100% paranoic will never trust hardware vendor as well. Only own manufactured components should be used in conjunction with md5/sha1 checksum evaluation and source code audit. 5 MARTA 2012 G. 17:00 POLXZOWATELX Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.atNAPISAL: Am Montag, 5. MC$rz

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
Am Montag, 5. Mdrz 2012, 12:36:56 schrieb Henning Brauer: * Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at [2012-03-05 12:01]: That's the reason why companies which make secure encryption devices would never trust any CPU/OS combo. Depending on paranoia they offer you either an FPGA based solution or

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Henning Brauer
* Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at [2012-03-05 13:21]: Am Montag, 5. Mdrz 2012, 12:36:56 schrieb Henning Brauer: * Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at [2012-03-05 12:01]: That's the reason why companies which make secure encryption devices would never trust any CPU/OS combo.

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
Am Montag, 5. Mdrz 2012, 13:30:14 schrieb Henning Brauer: you completely missed the point of my remark. most secure encryption devices on the market run linux. their security is snake oil. you don't wanna know what I have seen (and I can't talk about it in most cases)... This mailing list

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Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Rudolf Leitgeb wrote [2012-03-05 13:51+0100]: Look where almost all desktop and laptop CPUs come from. And where these devices plus their peripherals are made. Oh yes! You really just can't trust America. Really. --steffen

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Nomen Nescio
This mailing list is not about snake oil products on sale somewhere. The post I replied to asked how one can be sure he runs trusted software and my reply was it doesn't help you if you aren't 100% sure your hardware is kosher. And for all practical purposes you can't. True but I think it

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:04:06AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: But again. OpenBSD tried at least two times before to apply, but was not accepted by Google That is false. We were approached by Google people to

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:04:06AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: But again. OpenBSD tried at least two times before to apply, but was

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Bob Beck
1) The OpenBSD Foundation is NOT OpenBSD. 2) That application never elicited a reply from Google, so no contract to read or sign was presented or known of. 3) At some later point the required contract was obtained and, as Theo has said, nobody in the OpenBSD project or at the OpenBSD

Re: AHCI0 errors with 5.1-current

2012-03-05 Thread Dave Anderson
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Dave Anderson wrote: I recently upgraded an HP dv7-6b63us notebook (dmesg below) to amd64/mp 5.1-current as of about 11:30 EST 25 February 2012 (rebuilt from source several times since installing a 7 February snapshot) and have started seeing ahci0: attempting to idle

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Илья Шипицин
5 MARTA 2012 G. 21:55 POLXZOWATELX Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comNAPISAL: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:04:06AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Theo de Raadt

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Bob Beck
they didn't say that Theo refused to sign any paper. Just wonder, what kind of responsibilty that paper was about ? Accepting student's code to OpenBSD code base or something ? No, it's actually about personal liability for the mentor (i.e. me) for taxes and other such nonsense. Google SOC

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Илья Шипицин
6 MARTA 2012 G. 0:15 POLXZOWATELX Bob Beck b...@openbsd.org NAPISAL: they didn't say that Theo refused to sign any paper. Just wonder, what kind of responsibilty that paper was about ? Accepting student's code to OpenBSD code base or something ? No, it's actually about personal

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Bob Beck
at first, I'd notice, 3) != 4), right ? May not be the same, however they do want mentorship from somwhere associated to the projects. at second, taxes are rather government thing, not googlish ? why should I sign something with Google about taxes ? It doesn't make any sense. Because

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Re: rsync screams about read-only filesystem

2012-03-05 Thread Jiri B
OK I agree I was very vague, mostly because I have thought it must be very obvious PEBKAC. Sorry. Well, here is as much info as I collected. The goal of the script below is to synchronize in memory filesystem directories to USB stick. Some lines are just to print output of the mount state, touch

Re: Trusting the Installation

2012-03-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/3/5 PP;Q Q P(P8P?P8QP8P= chipits...@gmail.com: I'd agree that 100% paranoic will never trust hardware vendor as well. Only own manufactured components should be used in conjunction with md5/sha1 md5 - YMMD :-)

ISAKMP Phase-2 not completing with Cisco ISR - IPSEC over GRE

2012-03-05 Thread Kaya Saman
Hi, I am trying to create a VPN between my OpenBSD test box running in a Virtual Box instance, with bridged interface to my NIC and my Cisco 857 router. I am getting these error messages in /var/log/messages: Mar 5 21:24:31 OpenBSD isakmpd[27722]: dropped message from 192.168.0.1

openbsd 5.0 lifebook p1110 kernal panic on suspend/standby

2012-03-05 Thread Kendall Shaw
Hi, I have a lifebook p1110 which causes a kernel panic related to APM, I think. Either by setting power savings settings in BIOS to suspend or standby, or disabling power savings in BIOS and running apmd and apm -z or apm -S causes a kernal panic. Do you have any advice, other than give up on

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Morten Christensen
Am I the only one wanting the tone to be polite and friendly among friends? I think the only reason why Tomas Bodzar didn't snap the head of Theo or at least tried to is because every booting OpenBSD on earth start by says dera...@i386.openbsd.org - no small accomplishment - hats off! I

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Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Travis Mikalson
Morten Christensen wrote: Am I the only one wanting the tone to be polite and friendly among friends? I think the only reason why Tomas Bodzar didn't snap the head of Theo or at least tried to is because every booting OpenBSD on earth start by says dera...@i386.openbsd.org - no small

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Brett Lymn
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 09:08:24AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: I'm always willing to try again if this message is read by someone at Google who can untangle the bureaucracy... Actually, there are a couple of organisations that are willing to act as a proxy for the payments to organisations that

Questions about clock_gettime and friends

2012-03-05 Thread Woodchuck
I. The system call clock_getres(2) and clock_gettime(2) show strange results. Consider this small program and its output on OpenBSD 5.0, amd64: #include stdio.h #include sys/time.h main() { struct timespec tp; int i; clock_getres(CLOCK_REALTIME, tp);

Re: Questions about clock_gettime and friends

2012-03-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Woodchuck wrote: I. The system call clock_getres(2) and clock_gettime(2) show strange results. Consider this small program and its output on OpenBSD 5.0, amd64: #include stdio.h #include sys/time.h main() { struct timespec tp;

Re: Google SoC 2012 is accepting open source organisations

2012-03-05 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Morten Christensen morten_b_christen...@me.com wrote: Am I the only one wanting the tone to be polite and friendly among friends? I think the only reason why Tomas Bodzar didn't snap the head of Theo or at least tried to is because every booting OpenBSD on earth

Re: Questions about clock_gettime and friends

2012-03-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Woodchuck wrote: I. The system call clock_getres(2) and clock_gettime(2) show strange results. Consider this small program and its output on OpenBSD 5.0, amd64: #include stdio.h #include sys/time.h main() { struct timespec tp;

Re: Questions about clock_gettime and friends

2012-03-05 Thread Woodchuck
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 07:47:06AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Woodchuck wrote: BTW, your format strings are not right, both in size of operand and signedness. Here: Oops. printf(Resolution: %lu %lu\n, tp.tv_sec, tp.tv_nsec); for