Re: ERR M after updating to newer snapshot

2014-02-09 Thread Fred
On 02/08/14 15:50, Timo Myyrä wrote: Yeap, got OpenBSD to boot by overwriting the old openbsd.pbr on it with newer one. Didn't need to do the rest of steps. Seems that install ramdisk doesn't have any write support for NTFS partitions so I can't directly update it from ramdisk. Gotta check if

Re: Thinkpad T400 does not resume

2014-02-09 Thread Jan Stary
On Feb 08 17:59:26, h...@stare.cz wrote: This is current/i386 on a Lenovo Thinkpad T400. It suspends fine, but often does not resume back and goes to ddb instead. # uvm_fault(0x98db3600, 0xcfc05000, 0, 1) - e kernel: page_fault trap, code=0 Stopped at pmap_extract+0x3f: movl

Re: OpenBSD packages extremely outdated?

2014-02-09 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Antoine Jacoutot said: = on -current (soon to be 5.5) you end up with the same GNOME version (and assorted dependencies) as with the latest Fedora. AFAIR GNOME packages on OpenBSD normally come a couple of weeks or months ahead of corresoponding packages on average linux distro. Given that

Re: Yaifo WIP

2014-02-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-02-08, Jona Joachim j...@joachim.cc wrote: Hello, I've been in need for yaifo for quite some time now, so I decided to bring up some patches to make it work with -CURRENT. Seems like a good time to ask: with the new autoinstall(8) functionality, do you still need yaifo? Are there any

Re: OpenBSD packages extremely outdated?

2014-02-09 Thread Eric Brown
openda...@hushmail.com writes: Hello, Are OpenBSD's packages extremely outdated? What would you say to this guy? At least with Linux I don't have to wait 6 hours for all my software to finish compiling. Think about all the trees that are unnecessarily cut down because of all that

Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread VaZub
Hi all, There is a small nuisance I've stumbled upon during my first experiments with OpenBSD. Both the man page for rc.conf(8) as well as the official OpenBSD FAQ (10.3) suggest to avoid editing /etc/rc.conf directly and instead copy it to /etc/rc.conf.local and edit afterwards. Yet it seems

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Kenneth Westerback
rc.conf(8) says create and edit a rc.conf.local. Not copy rc.conf. I'm not sure what the FAQ says but I'd think it would be similar advice. Ken On 9 February 2014 13:28, VaZub vasyl.zu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, There is a small nuisance I've stumbled upon during my first experiments

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Bret Lambert
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 08:28:43PM +0200, VaZub wrote: Hi all, There is a small nuisance I've stumbled upon during my first experiments with OpenBSD. Both the man page for rc.conf(8) as well as the official OpenBSD FAQ (10.3) suggest to avoid editing /etc/rc.conf directly and instead copy

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Rogier Krieger
Though I looked on a 5.3 system, rc.conf(8) suggests the following: It is advisable to leave rc.conf untouched, and instead create and edit a new rc.conf.local file. That's rather different from creating a copy. From a brief look at CVS, it's the same for -current. Regards, Rogier On Sun, Feb

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Barry Grumbine
The FAQ says the same: We strongly suggest you do not alter /etc/rc.conf itself. Instead, create or edit the file /etc/rc.conf.local, copy just the lines you need to change from /etc/rc.conf and adjust them as you like. rc.conf is gives a good hint as well: # To select the service options you

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Kirill Bychkov
On Sun, February 9, 2014 22:28, VaZub wrote: Hi all, There is a small nuisance I've stumbled upon during my first experiments with OpenBSD. Both the man page for rc.conf(8) as well as the official OpenBSD FAQ (10.3) suggest to avoid editing /etc/rc.conf directly and instead copy it to

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
VaZub vasyl.zu...@gmail.com writes: Both the man page for rc.conf(8) as well as the official OpenBSD FAQ (10.3) suggest to avoid editing /etc/rc.conf directly and instead copy it to /etc/rc.conf.local and edit afterwards. rc.conf(8) says It is advisable to leave rc.conf untouched, and

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread VaZub
Sorry, my bad - I assumed that it was only natural for newcomers to copy the file and edit it afterwards instead of creating it from scratch to override some values. Obviously, this assumption was based on my ignorance and therefore wrong. You are also right to point out that to copy the lines is

new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
warning: really long post with some questions and thinking. Hello dear OpenBSD types. I have been using UNIX in various forms and flavours for a long time now and could even go so far as to say a very long time. Therefore it just seems so very familiar to me and yet, a bit new. First thing I

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Donald Allen
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:32 PM, VaZub vasyl.zu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, my bad - I assumed that it was only natural for newcomers to copy the file and edit it afterwards instead of creating it from scratch to override some values. Obviously, this assumption was based on my ignorance and

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
snippage :: David Vasek va...@fido.cz said :: You do not have any MBR partitions on your drive, you used whole raw drive sd0c. Actually, I didn't. The install process did. I didn't see any other options presented and from the install log : . . . Available disks are: sd0 sd1. Which disk is the

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
snippage You made a mistake, it got explained to you, you acknowledged it, all fine. I would only add this: one of the things that is particularly outstanding about OpenBSD is the documentation. Question .. where do I get all the man pages? I have some of them but then others are absent :

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 18:02, d...@genunix.com wrote: # man boot_amd64 man: no entry for boot_amd64 in the manual. # man boot_i386 man: no entry for boot_i386 in the manual. # man boot_sparc man: no entry for boot_sparc in the manual. man -S sparc boot_sparc

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 3:02 PM, d...@genunix.com d...@genunix.com wrote: Question .. where do I get all the man pages? I have some of them but then others are absent : # man reboot REBOOT(8) OpenBSD System Manager's Manual REBOOT(8) ... SEE ALSO reboot(2),

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
Actually, I didn't. The install process did. I didn't see any other options presented and from the install log : What platform is it on actually? Do you need to care about MBR and fdisk(8) at all? question one is easy : # uname -r 5.4 # uname -m sparc64 question two is honestly : I

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
question two is honestly : I don't know. Yet. :-\ One of the Frequently Asked Questions, apparently. :-) http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#fdisk The rest of the FAQ will help you too. been there .. it didn't help explain this : # fdisk sd0 Disk: sd0 geometry: 7508/19/248

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
Hmm, you never actually came out and said it (no dmesg, ahem), but I'm guessing that you're running on sparc64? Coming from the Solaris world I am clearly operating on a pile of wrong assumptions. Imagine my surprise where I saw that things like psrinfo and such are absent. OKay, not really

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
question two is honestly : I don't know. Yet. :-\ One of the Frequently Asked Questions, apparently. :-) ah .. there I NOW see : Other platforms do not need or use fdisk(8).

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Eric Brown
I heartily recommend Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition. The answers to (almost) all of your questions, and others that are bound to come up, can be found there. It's written at a nice intermediate level. Also, is it necessary to partition your disk into smaller pieces? I mean, I can understand why

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Kenneth Westerback
On 9 February 2014 16:58, d...@genunix.com d...@genunix.com wrote: warning: really long post with some questions and thinking. Hello dear OpenBSD types. I have been using UNIX in various forms and flavours for a long time now and could even go so far as to say a very long time. Therefore it

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:58 PM, d...@genunix.com d...@genunix.com wrote: First thing I see is that it was so very easy to install. I was almost expecting to need to curse and recurse but the install was trivial. I kept a log of the whole process in case something went wrong but nope, it is

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
On February 9, 2014 at 6:29 PM Eric Brown eric.c.br...@mac.com wrote: I heartily recommend Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition. http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-OpenBSD-Practical-Paranoid-published/dp/B00E6T8TYA/ref=sr_1_3?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1391988785sr=1-3keywords=Absolute+OpenBSD%2C+2nd+Edition.

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Eric Brown
Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com writes: Certainly I will need to create a mount point for a /opt filesystem ... I'm not sure why you would want a /opt filesystem. In OpenBSD, ports and packages install under /usr/local/ I suggest trying those and, in general, getting used to how OpenBSD

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
On February 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:58 PM, d...@genunix.com d...@genunix.com wrote: First thing I see is that it was so very easy to install. I was almost expecting to need to curse and recurse but the install was trivial. I kept

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread d...@genunix.com
On February 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM Eric Brown eric.c.br...@mac.com wrote: Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com writes: Certainly I will need to create a mount point for a /opt filesystem ... I'm not sure why you would want a /opt filesystem. In OpenBSD, ports and packages install under

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread David Vasek
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, d...@genunix.com wrote: snippage :: David Vasek va...@fido.cz said :: You do not have any MBR partitions on your drive, you used whole raw drive sd0c. Actually, I didn't. The install process did. I didn't see any other options presented and from the install log : What

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread David Vasek
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, d...@genunix.com wrote: Actually, I didn't. The install process did. I didn't see any other options presented and from the install log : What platform is it on actually? Do you need to care about MBR and fdisk(8) at all? question one is easy : # uname -r 5.4 # uname

Re: Freescale i.MX 6

2014-02-09 Thread Michael Stevenson
I'm curious - how did this little experiment go? I'm looking at a Utilite myself.. Thanks ahead of time. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Patrick Wildt m...@patrick-wildt.de wrote: Thanks to Christer

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Dan Daley
I second the book recommendation. I am reading that book right now. Very good book. On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Eric Brown eric.c.br...@mac.com wrote: I heartily recommend Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition. The answers to (almost) all of your questions, and others that are bound to come up,

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 02/09/14 14:31, VaZub wrote: Sorry, my bad - I assumed that it was only natural for newcomers to copy the file and edit it afterwards instead of creating it from scratch to override some values. If you can figure out how to help me write documentation to override people's assumptions,

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 02/09/14 18:30, d...@genunix.com wrote: question two is honestly : I don't know. Yet. :-\ One of the Frequently Asked Questions, apparently. :-) ah .. there I NOW see : Other platforms do not need or use fdisk(8). right. Little trick in life: use phrases like I didn't see an

Re: new to OpenBSD and have a few questions

2014-02-09 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 05:29:37PM -0600, Eric Brown wrote: I heartily recommend Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition. The answers to (almost) all of your questions, and others that are bound to come up, can be found there. It's written at a nice intermediate level. Also, is it necessary to