2009/6/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
[IPv6] migration, if it ever happens, will
make today's internet look like paradise.
I wonder if you or others feel like elaborating?
I'm quite curious, but not knowledgeable enough to intuitively understand why.
regards,
--ropers
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 06:40:37PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Pete Vickersp...@systemnet.no wrote:
nah, you maybe right technically with the data-center argument, but not
politically. Everyone has the 'right' to proper redundancy for H/A if they
want/need it.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:13:30AM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote:
| On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 06:40:37PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
| On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Pete Vickersp...@systemnet.no wrote:
| nah, you maybe right technically with the data-center argument, but not
| politically.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:20:59PM -0700, Han Hwei Woo wrote:
Hi Karl,
If you can justify a single /24, you can request it from one of your
ISP's, and get a LOA from them to advertise it to your other ISP,
getting it added to your prefix list.
I believe the minimum for your own ARIN
On 19. juni. 2009, at 00.10, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no [2009-06-19 00:02]:
Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the
better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be done
with
it.
that doesn't solve a single problem.
in return, you get
On 19. juni. 2009, at 00.40, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Pete Vickersp...@systemnet.no
wrote:
nah, you maybe right technically with the data-center argument, but
not
politically. Everyone has the 'right' to proper redundancy for H/A
if they
want/need it. Actually,
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:06:43AM +0200, Pete Vickers wrote:
On 19. juni. 2009, at 00.10, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no [2009-06-19 00:02]:
Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the
better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be done
* Pete Vickers peter.vick...@gmail.com [2009-06-19 10:06]:
On 19. juni. 2009, at 00.10, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no [2009-06-19 00:02]:
Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the
better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be done
with
On 2009-06-19, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:20:59PM -0700, Han Hwei Woo wrote:
Hi Karl,
If you can justify a single /24, you can request it from one of your
ISP's, and get a LOA from them to advertise it to your other ISP,
getting it added to your
2009/6/19 Paul de Weerd we...@weirdnet.nl
In Europe, you can get IPv6 PI space. Provider Independent (PI) IPv6
Assignments for End User Organisations (version 5.0) for was accepted
in april 2009.
See: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2006-01.html
We'll have to see what happens to
Hello,
In order to minimize Internet connectivity downtime
I am looking at obtaining connections from 2 ISPs
and running BGP. However I won't have a publicly
routeable IP block from ARIN. Each ISP will
allocate some of their addresses and the LAN's
rfc1918 addresses will be NATted.
This
On 18. juni. 2009, at 19.45, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
What's the best way to solve this problem?
stop trying to bodge it, and get some PI space.
/Pete
On 06/18/2009 01:50:17 PM, Pete Vickers wrote:
On 18. juni. 2009, at 19.45, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
What's the best way to solve this problem?
stop trying to bodge it, and get some PI space.
I'd love but, how can I justify to ARIN a large enough address
block that it won't be dropped by
Karl O. Pinc wrote:
On 06/18/2009 01:50:17 PM, Pete Vickers wrote:
On 18. juni. 2009, at 19.45, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
What's the best way to solve this problem?
stop trying to bodge it, and get some PI space.
I'd love but, how can I justify to ARIN a large enough address
block that it
Hi Karl,
If you can justify a single /24, you can request it from one of your
ISP's, and get a LOA from them to advertise it to your other ISP,
getting it added to your prefix list.
I believe the minimum for your own ARIN assignment is a /23 if you're
multi-homing, and either a /20 or /22 for
nah, you maybe right technically with the data-center argument, but
not politically. Everyone has the 'right' to proper redundancy for H/A
if they want/need it. Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used
up the better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be
done with it.
On 06/18/2009 03:49:08 PM, tico wrote:
Karl O. Pinc wrote:
On 06/18/2009 01:50:17 PM, Pete Vickers wrote:
stop trying to bodge it, and get some PI space.
I'd love but, how can I justify to ARIN a large enough address
block that it won't be dropped by BGP administrators?
The only reason
* Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no [2009-06-19 00:02]:
Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the
better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be done with
it.
that doesn't solve a single problem.
in return, you get a plethora of new ones on top.
--
Henning Brauer,
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Pete Vickersp...@systemnet.no wrote:
nah, you maybe right technically with the data-center argument, but not
politically. Everyone has the 'right' to proper redundancy for H/A if they
want/need it. Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the better,
Karl O. Pinc wrote:
The number of networks that filter prefixes smaller than /22 don't
appear to be that numerous IMHO, but if they do, your /24 will still
be reachable as they'll see the larger /19 or whatever from your
provider that it's carved out of.
But not from the 2nd provider, which
Henning Brauer wrote:
* Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no [2009-06-19 00:02]:
Actually, the sooner the IPv4 space gets used up the
better, then everyone will have to migrate to IPvShit, and be done with
it.
that doesn't solve a single problem.
in return, you get a plethora of new ones
Hi, here is a few ideas for you.
A few things to think about here depending on what issue you really try to
solved.
First a good ISP after you actually reach them have built redundancy on their
network, so unless you try a cheap one, then you should be fine there.
Then what could go wrong?
Karl O. Pinc wrote:
If you can't justify that, then get a /24 of PA space from a provider
that *will* allow you to reannounce that /24 via an additional
transit and *will* provide you with an LOA that you can provide to
that additional transit operator.
I may have to go that way if nothing
I'm in *no* way convinced that running out of a resource (IPv4
addresses) would be a good thing. It's been my experience that most
network engineers agree with me.
Many will agree with you big time! There was a chance to make it right and
address many issues that could have been address with
On 06/18/2009 06:01:36 PM, tico wrote:
The number of networks that filter prefixes smaller than /22 don't
appear to be that numerous IMHO, but if they do, your /24 will
still be reachable as they'll see the larger /19 or whatever from
your provider that it's carved out of.
But not from the
On 06/18/2009 05:52:44 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Hi, here is a few ideas for you.
A few things to think about here depending on what issue you really
try to solved.
First a good ISP after you actually reach them have built redundancy
on their
network, so unless you try a cheap one, then you
Daniel is quite right, if least interrupted connectivity is so crucial
to you, your best bet is to find the most reliable ISP in your area. In
my experience that would be the so-called Tier 2 (transit) carriers --
they will have the fully redundant connectivity to multiple Tier 1
(long-haul)
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