Hi!
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:37:54AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Wow one comprehensive list of the suckage that is C++. Thanks Miod now
I dont need to type examples anymore.
I will probably regret this, but all of these issues
L wrote:
Oh, now I get it - computers are for people who can't learn
how to use
a pencil and paper.
Actually quite the opposite.
Computers are good for automating stuff.
They work much much better when people know what they are doing
rather than trying to substitute automation for
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Verzonden: vrijdag, december 28, 2007 07:33 AM
Aan: misc@openbsd.org
Onderwerp: Linus about C++
Hi.
This is partly not OpenBSD related, and yet again someone pointed out that
perhaps a lot of bug could be avoided using C++. I am writting my big paper
on C and C++ and would like
On 2007-12-28 07:33, Brian Hansen wrote:
[snip]
Is he right?
Yes and no. First of all you should realise that Linus and most other
other kernel hackers are biased. When it comes down to it C++ is not a
better or worse language to write a system in than C, it is just a
question about how you
Wow one comprehensive list of the suckage that is C++. Thanks Miod now
I dont need to type examples anymore.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:19:11AM +, Miod Vallat wrote:
Is he right?
If you just search the archive, even not to long ago, 'few days' you
will see pretty much the same
On Dec 28, 2007 7:51 AM, Erik Wikstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-12-28 07:33, Brian Hansen wrote:
[snip]
Is he right?
Yes and no. First of all you should realise that Linus and most other
other kernel hackers are biased. When it comes down to it C++ is not a
better or worse
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 10:16:08AM -0500, Gary Baluha wrote:
I think that's one of the main problems with programmers today. All the
schools I know that teach programming, start by teaching Java to the
students.
I'm learning Java at school. I told my teachers that I think it is a
great pity
On Dec 28, 2007 11:21 AM, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 10:16:08AM -0500, Gary Baluha wrote:
I think that's one of the main problems with programmers today. All the
schools I know that teach programming, start by teaching Java to the
students.
I'm
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 10:16:08AM -0500, Gary Baluha wrote:
I'm also not sold on the concept of object oriented programming in general.
Along the lines of nothing is impossible with enough layers of
indirection, I think too much abstraction also removes the programmer from
what he/she is
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:37:54AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
Wow one comprehensive list of the suckage that is C++. Thanks Miod now
I dont need to type examples anymore.
I will probably regret this, but all of these issues are known, and only
show that C++ is not a simple language.
Real
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 10:16:08AM -0500, Gary Baluha wrote:
I'm also not sold on the concept of object oriented programming in general.
Along the lines of nothing is impossible with enough layers of
indirection, I think too much abstraction also removes the programmer from
what he/she is
I disagree with this sentiment. The quality of programmers these days
is abysmal. I think that is due to part of being taught wrong in the
first place and then being unable to unlearn bad habits.
By teaching kids in a forgiving language they will never get a feel for
what they are supposed to
On Dec 28, 2007 7:16 AM, Gary Baluha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 28, 2007 7:51 AM, Erik Wikstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-12-28 07:33, Brian Hansen wrote:
[snip]
Is he right?
Yes and no. First of all you should realise that Linus and most other
other kernel hackers
Brian Hansen wrote:
Hi.
This is partly not OpenBSD related, and yet again someone pointed out that
perhaps a lot of bug could be avoided using C++. I am writting my big paper
on C and C++ and would like some comments from people who are experts.
Off-list is okay, but maybe others are
On Dec 28, 2007 12:36 PM, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rules for types and operators are fairly complex, granted, but there is
some actual logic. This is well documented in a few books. The main issue
with C++ there is that it it a big language. You want to understand those
rules ? You
On 12/27/07, Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, but no C++ bashing thread can be complete until someone mentions the
excellent FQA site: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
this one alone was priceless: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/io.html#fqa-15.1
and i've even written more c++ code than c code.
On 12/28/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- python or perl, which work just fine... perl has about the same set of
defects as C++ (except for speed and reflection). python is probably about
the same, I don't use it enough to comment.
or Ruby (of Smalltalk heritage), which I suppose you
Ted Unangst wrote:
On 12/27/07, Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, but no C++ bashing thread can be complete until someone
mentions the
excellent FQA site: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
this one alone was priceless:
http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/io.html#fqa-15.1
and i've even written
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Ted Unangst wrote:
On 12/27/07, Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, but no C++ bashing thread can be complete until someone
mentions the
excellent FQA site: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
this one alone was priceless:
Hi.
This is partly not OpenBSD related, and yet again someone pointed out that
perhaps a lot of bug could be avoided using C++. I am writting my big paper
on C and C++ and would like some comments from people who are experts.
Off-list is okay, but maybe others are interested as well.
I found
Brian Hansen wrote:
Is he right?
If you just search the archive, even not to long ago, 'few days' you
will see pretty much the same feeling about C++ on the OpenBSD list as
well as pretty much any lists that cares about correct code and clarity
in programing.
But don't take my words for
Is he right?
If you just search the archive, even not to long ago, 'few days' you
will see pretty much the same feeling about C++ on the OpenBSD list as
well as pretty much any lists that cares about correct code and clarity
in programing.
But don't take my words for it, just look and
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