Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-22 Thread Lars Hansson
Jeroen Massar wrote: Same reason why Windows Servers are a good thing to give to organizations that have stupid people, they won't be able to understand OpenBSD either, but clicking is something that almost everybody can do. Going OT but it is interesting how this argument works in IT but ask

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-22 Thread Lawrence Teo
Brian Keefer wrote: There ARE a number of vendors selling OBSD solutions, actually. One I remember running across is LOK Technologies. Drivers should NOT be an issue - you're building an appliance, it should be pretty simple to picl compatible s/w. Lee It's not to say there aren't

OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Jeroen Massar
Tautvydas wrote: Hey List, Little off topic, but I need some help. For a week I'm working in a small company. (~250 workstations). Till 2008 there will be 400-600 workstations. So, they are planning to buy something for spam/mail filtering

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Tautvydas
It is not bad at all: a) You mention stupid people, thus give them something simple. As they won't know how to use OpenBSD nor maintain it. Thus unless you want them to need you for all the upcoming years, and thus pay you the money for maintaining the box, get them that barracuda box with a

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Henning Brauer
* Tautvydas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-21 20:33]: What I know now - barracuda is a blackbox. I've read that there is simple web interface. IMHO, it sounds not very good at all. the barracuda boxes are rusty stinky old redhat with spamassassin and some web interface. at least, they used to be

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread bofh
Which I don't understand - if you're going to sell a blackboz, why not use openbsd instead of some stinky redcrap or that piece of shit rhell? Centos is just an enabler, tyvm. On 1/21/07, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Tautvydas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-21 20:33]: What I know now

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Jeroen Massar
[reordered mail to let the reply make sense again] On 1/21/07, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Tautvydas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-21 20:33]: What I know now - barracuda is a blackbox. I've read that there is simple web interface. IMHO, it sounds not very good at all. the

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/01/21 21:14, Jeroen Massar wrote: mentions the url containing their modifications: http://source.barracuda.com/ heh...at least that webserver appears to have a more sensible choice of OS.

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Brian Keefer
On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:33 PM, bofh wrote: Which I don't understand - if you're going to sell a blackboz, why not use openbsd instead of some stinky redcrap or that piece of shit rhell? Centos is just an enabler, tyvm. On 1/21/07, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Tautvydas [EMAIL

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread bofh
On 1/21/07, Brian Keefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because driver support for Linux is a lot better than for OpenBSD, I'm not sure if I believe this to be as strong an argument since, as the blackbox maker, you have your choice of hardware. This means you can choose hardware that runs openbsd

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Brian Keefer
On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:34 PM, bofh wrote: On 1/21/07, Brian Keefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because driver support for Linux is a lot better than for OpenBSD, I'm not sure if I believe this to be as strong an argument since, as the blackbox maker, you have your choice of hardware. This means

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Mathieu Sauve-Frankel
the barracuda boxes are rusty stinky old redhat with spamassassin and some web interface. at least, they used to be about a year or two ago We evaluated their top of the line model a year and a half ago. 15,000CAN$ for a crappy 1U i386 machine with Realtek 8139 NICs in it. I just about

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread bofh
That isn't too bad in the grand scheme of things, actually. After all, there's a lot more costs involved. When I was doing the flea market, I needed 100% margins. Remember also, the main customer base is more used to click and point - ie, less technically savvy, ie, needing more help. There

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Brian Keefer wrote: The company I worked for considered switching our appliance OS to a *BSD from Linux, but in the end we decided that commercial support was too important to ignore. There ARE a number of vendors selling OBSD solutions, actually. One I remember running

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Tautvydas
Don't get me started. I opened a $30,000 XP-based A/V box at work the other day to find out it had some crappy $50 pseudo RAID card doing RAID 1. I didn't buy it so I kept myself from looking around at the rest of the parts to avoid discouraging behaviour. Greg Thanks List. Know I know what

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Tautvydas
There ARE a number of vendors selling OBSD solutions, actually. One I remember running across is LOK Technologies. I'll look for them. Thanks. Drivers should NOT be an issue - you're building an appliance, it should be pretty simple to picl compatible s/w. For sure. -- Hi, I'm a .signature

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread bofh
On 1/21/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't get me started. I opened a $30,000 XP-based A/V box at work the other day to find out it had some crappy $50 pseudo RAID card doing RAID 1. I didn't buy it so I kept myself from looking around at the rest of the parts to avoid discouraging

Re: OT: Getting a premade box or doing it yourself (was OT:)

2007-01-21 Thread Brian Keefer
On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:00 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Brian Keefer wrote: The company I worked for considered switching our appliance OS to a *BSD from Linux, but in the end we decided that commercial support was too important to ignore. There ARE a number of vendors