Am 19.12.2009 um 20:47 schrieb Darrin Chandler:
When you can write your code to remain testable. If you've changed
code,
then you're only testing test code instead of production code. If you
change it back for production, did you change it back correctly?
Better
to call the same code from
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:00:14PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
[1] except of course for Haskell, the ONE TRUE GOD of proper programming :P
Really? then why do you use scrotwm?
Because I'm a slacker.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:18:55PM -0500, Ryan Flannery wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nick Guenther kou...@gmail.com wrote:
Python is about thinking about what you're doing. It's one of those
languages that
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one. any.
If you have the time, I'd love to hear you elaborate. So far most
people whose opinion I value have only said good things about Python.
You're the first person whose opinion I respect to
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 01:54:54PM +0100, ropers wrote:
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one. any.
If you have the time, I'd love to hear you elaborate. So far most
people whose opinion I value have only said good things
2009/12/19 ropers rop...@gmail.com:
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one. any.
If you have the time, I'd love to hear you elaborate. So far most
It's religion. The python followers say the same about perl. :-)
Best
Martin
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:17:50AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 01:54:54PM +0100, ropers wrote:
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one. any.
If you have the time, I'd love to hear you elaborate. So
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:38:20PM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:17:50AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 01:54:54PM +0100, ropers wrote:
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one.
The rules for scoping are utterly fucked.
On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:54 AM, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/19 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
any excuse to not know python is a good and valid one. any.
If you have the time, I'd love to hear you elaborate. So far most
people whose
It's very hard to fix the indenting when you're copying code from a
web forum/email archive/whatnot that mangled it. Been there done that.
Pythons behavior in this regard makes it very aggravating to work with
as a newcomer, and for many people who are a little suspicious of the
whole
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:03:00AM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote:
It's very hard to fix the indenting when you're copying code from a
web forum/email archive/whatnot that mangled it. Been there done
that. Pythons behavior in this regard makes it very aggravating to
work with as a newcomer, and for
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just way to much pain to work on.
I agree that copy/paste is a big problem in Python.
But in my experience
* Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com [2009-12-19 16:47]:
But in my experience copy/paste of code in any language is dangerous.
[ ] you have ever seriously used C
heck, even perl.
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com [2009-12-19 16:47]:
But in my experience copy/paste of code in any language is dangerous.
[ ] you have ever seriously used C
heck, even perl.
In my experience (mostly python and c),
Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com wrote:
This is because most of the copy/paste goes like this:
1) Write some loop
2) Need similar loop
3) copy/paste old loop
4) Modify pasted loop (but forget one tiny change)
5) New loop has bug
This is why I never just copy code, but type it. While you type,
Darrin Chandler dwchand...@stilyagin.com wrote:
I agree that copy/paste from the web would be challenging for
newcomers. Pastes from the web do horrible things to indenting. If
you aren't comfortable with Python it'd be a huge pain.
Well, enforced whitespaces are a double-edges sword: While
* Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com [2009-12-19 19:10]:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com [2009-12-19 16:47]:
But in my experience copy/paste of code in any language is dangerous.
[ ] you have ever seriously used C
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:29:00PM +0100, Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
Darrin Chandler dwchand...@stilyagin.com wrote:
I agree that copy/paste from the web would be challenging for
newcomers. Pastes from the web do horrible things to indenting. If
you aren't comfortable with Python it'd be a
Darrin Chandler dwchand...@stilyagin.com wrote:
You're doing testing wrong and the wrongness has nothing to do with
python. ;-)
Erm, since when is it wrong to change code for testing, to make sure it
even works under strange circumstances? oO
--
Jonathan
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
Darrin Chandler dwchand...@stilyagin.com wrote:
You're doing testing wrong and the wrongness has nothing to do with
python. ;-)
Erm, since when is it wrong to change code for testing, to make sure it
even works under
and just to add to the pyre...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just way to much pain to work on.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Ted
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nick Guenther kou...@gmail.com wrote:
Python is about thinking about what you're doing. It's one of those
languages that forces you to work on a higher level (not that there
aren't lots of places where python is used as a scripting
language--that code tends to
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote:
and just to add to the pyre...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote:
and just to add to the pyre...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote:
and just to add to the pyre...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote:
and just to add to the pyre...
python sucks because people think it's great.
ever try to port a program written in C that uses Scons as it's build
system? for me, the C is easy, fixing the damn Scons (python) build
scripts is a
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 04:37:08PM +0100, Floor Terra wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just way to much pain to work on.
I
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote:
and just to add to the pyre...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
Ugh, a programming language where you can't copy paste from xterm to xterm
without fucking up the program is just
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:18:55PM -0500, Ryan Flannery wrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nick Guenther kou...@gmail.com wrote:
Python is about thinking about what you're doing. It's one of those
languages that forces you to work on a higher level (not that there
aren't lots of places
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:00:14PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
...
Really? then why do you use scrotwm?
Because it kicks the balls out of every other wm.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
There is no limit to shit code produced by amateurs and professionals.
Out of this whole thread this is the only statement I agree with completely.
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