On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:19:17 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
as rock solid as they might be, at this age, the likeliness of them
dieing anytime soon is growing. fast.
Hard drives and fans aside, there comes a point where a system has
passed the test of time, and so a system
No. Their chipsets give a 16 PCIe 2 lanes and 4 PICe 1.1 lanes, so you
have a 16x2 PCIe slot for the gfx card and a 4x1.1 PCIe slot (or 4
1x1.1 PCIe slots). USB 3 is faster 1x1.1 PICe, so you need a 4xPICe
USB3 card. Most USB3 cards are 1xPICe, though.
If you need USB 3, get an AMD board.
2010/6/23 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
I guess the addon card makers dropped a clanger and this will be
rectified. Do you know if they just run at a lower speed on some boards?
Yes. If you want USB3 with Intel, wait for chipsets with integrated USB3.
Best
Martin
* E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr [2010-06-12 10:56]:
why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???.
because you get what you pay for.
maintaining a sane secure reliable data center isn't exactly
cheap.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services,
* Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com [2010-06-12 11:55]:
See tables with consumption
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Mobile_Pentium_III-M (especially
ultra-low-voltage models). And it's far more powerful then Atom.
looking at my PIII-based (yes, kinda the last ones,
Yes
Small webiste personal = server at home
big project = datacenter
We agree
why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???.
because you get what you pay for.
maintaining a sane secure reliable data center isn't exactly
cheap.
--
@plus
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-13 18:43]:
that might be (I am not convinced tho) with the electricity price in
the US, but certainly isn't universal.
The calculations are.
$/kWh isn't...
Cost of money (i.e., interest rate), watts saved (if any), cost of a
kWh, initial
* Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org [2010-06-12 23:59]:
On 2010-06-12, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for
Quoting Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-13 18:43]:
that might be (I am not convinced tho) with the electricity price in
the US, but certainly isn't universal.
The calculations are.
$/kWh isn't...
Cost of money (i.e., interest rate),
* and...@msu.edu and...@msu.edu [2010-06-23 01:34]:
Dell made some incredible Optiplex models that were white, using P3's
from 450MHz to about 1.2Ghz. I have several at work in production
service, and some of them are 10 years old.
heck, I have systems that old in production.
the point is -
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:44:40 -0300
Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac lscarne...@veltrac.com.br wrote:
On 06/17/2010 09:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin SchrC6dermar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwickma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
I
2010/6/17 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
Maybe if you're using lots of usb3s and a 16x graphics card etc, you may
run out of bandwidth, but I heard the real reason
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin SchrC6der mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
Best
Martin
Maybe if you're using lots of usb3s and a
On 06/17/2010 09:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin SchrC6dermar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwickma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
2010/6/12 E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr:
mother card PIII, is compatible: usb2, usb3, e-sata, sata2, sata3,
firewire800, raid0, raid1, raid6
No. I seriously doubt that you will get usb3 or sata2 adapters (PCI?)
for PIII systems. And even if you get them, they don't make sense.
Even new Intel
Sure thing!
On 06/16/2010 05:28 PM, Martin Schrvder wrote:
2010/6/12 E.Tad...@wordpress-fr.fr:
mother card PIII, is compatible: usb2, usb3, e-sata, sata2, sata3,
firewire800, raid0, raid1, raid6
...
And I'd love to see your face when your PIII system rebuilds your
10TB RAID6
No. I seriously doubt that you will get usb3 or sata2 adapters (PCI?)
for PIII systems. And even if you get them, they don't make sense.
Even new Intel systems have problems with usb3 performance...
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
Best
Martin
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:20:52 -0700, Andreas Gerdd kryptos...@gmail.com
wrote:
Learn English, buddy. This is an English-only mailing list.
You're disturbing.
It is? I learn something new everyday.
Mehma
On 06/12/10 04:53, E.T wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
I can also show you PIII systems that draw more than 300W, and I
discarded one a while ago that probably could have maxed out at well
over 500w.
I was shocked to find my nforce board draws around 130 watts, when
it's switched OFF!!! and with the new graphics card can push upto
700 watts
Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work.
Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
I can also show you PIII
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:28 +0200
E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work.
Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37
Sorry, my english is very bad ...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:47:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:28 +0200
E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
unlikely to ever recoup the initial
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). B IF the new, cool stuff has
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53:52AM +0200, E.T wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real
Well, good interesting thoughts.
Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure
that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low
puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile and then
PIII-M which was predecessor to Pentium M
mother card
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Well, good interesting thoughts.
Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure
that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low
puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
The future is processor ARM, Openbsd suppoorted ARM is good way. This
month, canoncial and
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
The future is processor ARM,
Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not
standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to
datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with
long enough backup of data, encoded racks so only you or persons you
allowed have access to
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not
standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to
datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with
long enough backup of
Can't find any physical. Only those like this one
http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those
datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in
fact just confirmation that most of the problems come from inside of
companies. Because it's much
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Can't find any physical. Only those like this one
http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those
datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in
fact just confirmation that most of
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
The future is processor ARM
Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh.
Miod
It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035
, same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has
worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't
specify eg. FSB for D510? Because it's worse? i86 is still same crap
(and those
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035
, same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has
worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't
specify eg. FSB for
Et en quoi l'iPad est le futur de l'informatique ? Pourquoi donc n'y
a-t-il pas d'ARM multiprocesseurs ou multicoeurs ? Pourquoi donc
n'utilise-t-on jamais de processeurs ARM lorsque l'on a des besoins
importants en entrC)es/sorties, par exemple pour des serveurs de fichiers
ou de base de
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:33:35 +0300
Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net wrote:
This is assuming 5 years service life,
which is not very hard to get with carefully chosen hardware from the
dumpster, but seems to be too much to ask when buying new...
Hear, Hear, Applies to most non specialist
When someone get access to your OpenBSD machine (which is
much more easy at your home) and do boot boot -s , then where is you
security? ;-)
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
secure from
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which
lock the metal case to the pc from bios setting and set the bios to
prevent boot without
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:06:47 +0200
E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which
lock the metal
I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good?
Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics,
kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have
been rebooted a lot, without precautions. We've always said fingerprint
readers were
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:13:02 +0200
E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good?
Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics,
kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have
been rebooted a
On 6/12/10, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
yes, datacenter in french, camera, backup, protection fire. Datacenter in
frech : inverter on fire, crash server datacenter attack, maintenance
operation catastrophy, server on fire site web black-out. It's reality in
french. There is no accident,
Thank you for all the answers, I think we went around the issue.
bye
Looks like you love Atom, I don't see why.
On 2010-06-12, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real
Tank you Sean, I'll try to respond to your message
Indeed, a firewall is not a desktop. On the site openbsd.org is indicated
support for OpenBSD i386 processors Atom platform. But it is not clear
Atom1, Atom2, while the responses were made, are on Atom1. A firewall must
be 100% supported by the
On 06/11/10 03:59, E.T wrote:
Tank you Sean, I'll try to respond to your message
Indeed, a firewall is not a desktop. On the site openbsd.org is indicated
support for OpenBSD i386 processors Atom platform. But it is not clear
Atom1, Atom2, while the responses were made, are on Atom1. A
Hi Daniel
Thank you back, this is a real headache this question. The X7SPA-HF is
very good, full fuctionnality.
I found a little gem , link below.
http://www.lextronic.fr/P6389-platine-fox-board-g20.html
This card could be an excellent web server: OpenBSD / Nginx
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]:
If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
unlikely to ever recoup the initial
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
expensive compared to D510mo from Intel.
In the doc OpenBSD i386:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:18:44PM +0200, E.T wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
Joachim
You can use an Atom, I'm using a 1.6GHz dual-core version on my home
firewall. It is more than sufficient for small-medium traffic.
On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:18 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors /
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
My
E.T wrote:
Hi
In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of
room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to
disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5
minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I installed
On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
expensive compared to D510mo from Intel.
Well
On Thu, June 10, 2010 12:18 pm, E.T wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
expensive compared to D510mo from
yes, exactly !!!
See my complete post before.
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:02:23 -0400, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com
wrote:
FRLinux wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what
FRLinux wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much
E.T wrote:
very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ?
OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009
t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class)
On 6/10/10 2:41 PM, FRLinux wrote:
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
My question (sorry for hijacking this thread) is : is there any people
on this list who switched from soekris (geode) to atom, and are they
happy
Hi
In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of
room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to
disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5
minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I installed all the
packets,
FRLinux wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty
In fact, there is color, the buttons work. That's cool :)
Tanks
Maybe, but it beats the pants off the old Asus eeePC I had. It's a
netbook. I use it for portable productivity, coding, testing and web
surfing... not as an Internet gateway/FW.
--
@plus
very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ?
OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009
t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class)
1.60 GHz
On 6/10/10 4:06 PM, E.T wrote:
My main
question and therefore, is that OpenBSD supports a 100%, the atom D510?.
The X server is configured with more time. But there will be no more bugs
or conflicts later, more severe and troublesome.
Same URL as earlier today.
You should check the archive
On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Teemu Rinta-aho wrote:
On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris
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