Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-15 Thread Bernte
On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-15 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-15 Thread sven falempin
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-15 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard
This is from the Electricity thread but seems on point: Dear Misc, In re electricity, please do one of the following: 1.Send money. 2.Convince OTHER PEOPLE to send money. This next bit is important, and is being overlooked again: 3.Stop summoning the Good Idea Fairy to the

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-15 Thread James Shupe
Why not just set up a recurring Paypal donation? Even $20/mo should help, if enough people do it. -James Shupe

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Bernte
On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this discussion starts to

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Janne Johansson
Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you don't need a product back. 2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte ber...@fams.de: On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: How does it compare for using the

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Andy
We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Peter Hessler
options: 1) cash in envelope, put into mail 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut 4) bank transfers (also: see #3) 5) fly to canada with a suitcase of money 6) bank transfers to the EUROPEAN bank 7) OpenBSD Foundatation On 2014 Aug 14

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Norman Gray
Greetings. On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often)

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Nicolai
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest degree of freedom of

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Nicolai contributed: The OpenBSD Foundation. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred route. It's as simple as possible. Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? To fund the project yes but CD's are THE? route to fund Theo's

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Mihai Popescu
Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? I did a quick check out of curiosity and there they are, OpenBSD

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Daniel Villarreal
It means Producer, or maker If you do a search, you will see that they sell a lot of OpenBSD stuffare they or are they not selling official merchandise? I'd like to hear what German OpenBSD users think of the situation. If they're too busy, let me know. Daniel Villarreal On Thu, Aug 14,

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Alan McKay
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Villarreal yclwebmas...@gmail.com wrote: It means Producer, or maker also manufacturer ... -- Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Martin Schröder
2014-08-14 19:13 GMT+02:00 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? ? ixsoft.de is still listed as reseller on http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Did I miss something? Best

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Andy Lemin
We know... ;) Sent from my iPhone On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:14, Nicolai nicolai-om...@chocolatine.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 Thread Andy Lemin
Hahaha, lol!! Yes peter :) Sent from my iPhone On 14 Aug 2014, at 10:17, Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org wrote: options: 1) cash in envelope, put into mail 2) bank cheque in envelope, put in mail 3) suck it up, and stop caring about the middle man's cut 4) bank transfers (also: see

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread patrick keshishian
On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: I changed the subject line On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
Respectfully I find that a bit offensive. Ask me for a donation if you want. But do not expect me to by an object to be manufactured, shipped 1/3 of the way around the globe and then I'll through it in the trash. Not cool at all. Then find another way to ensure that OpenBSD persists in the

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Worik Stanton
On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. How does it

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. A good

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Worik Stanton
On 14/08/14 11:55, Theo de Raadt wrote: Well OBVIOUSLY CDs accumulate more revenue than T-shirts, so recently we've not made any T-shirts because it isn't worth it, the setup costs and overheads are higher than the number sold. If you guys don't buy enough of them, then we don't do the setup.

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread patrick keshishian
On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case?

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread h410g3n
I just donated money to pay for the developer's time in responding to this useless thread. =P Theo de Raadt: Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same place. I'd buy that. It would be better

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Dan Farrell
Then buy the damn CD and have it shipped to Theo. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Worik Stanton worik.stan...@gmail.com wrote: I changed the subject line On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost actually goes to

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-13 Thread Dag Richards
Seems pretty easy to make donations. Send money. Don't want a CD? OK, Send money. The documentation is already provided, the FAQ is an excellent codicil to the man pages. No need for a PDF really. There is a clear need for money. Demonstrate your willingness and interest to contribute by ...