Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-05 Thread Artur Grabowski
Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pulic domain also says do with it whatever you like. I really don't know about the importance of the disclaimer. Maybe it depends on the country you live in. public domain is a meaningless term in many countries (it doesn't have any meaning in courts,

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-05 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 08:40:00PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 05:55:16PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: | Keeping authorship for a resume sounds like a somewhat good reason | to me. I think you could also use public domain code for a resume, | but that may have it's

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-05 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:45:31AM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote: Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: public domain is a meaningless term in many countries (it doesn't have any meaning in courts, which in turn means that you keep all the rights that copyright law gives you). In many

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: [bsd vs. GPL] Sorry for 'stealing' this thread but I'm not sure if I should make a new thread for this. I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD (-like) licenses versus public domain. What does the ISC license actually

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: 1. BSD license is completely free. No one needs to give back changes forcibly(the GPL way), hence this is completely free. If what i hear is correct, there are companies(Microsoft) which take BSD code (network stack i hear)

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 10:14:06AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: [bsd vs. GPL] Sorry for 'stealing' this thread but I'm not sure if I should make a new thread for this. I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 10:44:07AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 10:14:06AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD (-like) licenses versus public domain. Pulic domain also says do with it whatever you like. I really don't

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Almir Karic
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm, dunno what IIRC is.. But wouldn't it be just great to put anything like this in a file's header? : # This file is in public domain or even better: # public domain So IIRC requires the full license? That's a

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:46:49PM +0200, Almir Karic wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm, dunno what IIRC is.. But wouldn't it be just great to put anything like this in a file's header? : # This file is in public domain or even

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 12:12:37PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: But in general, we choose to remain known as author. That is our privilege for the files we created or modified extensively. Whatever you choose to do with things you publish is your decision. Uhm.. to remain known as

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 12:12:37PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: If you put anything in public domain, you'll give up your copyright. So the next person te distribute your software is allowed to remove your name from the credits list. I can imagine this sounds like a problem for some

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Ray Percival
On May 4, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: [bsd vs. GPL] Sorry for 'stealing' this thread but I'm not sure if I should make a new thread for this. I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD (-like) licenses

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 08:09:41AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: The only section of copyright that isn't surrendered by the ISC license (also often mistakenly called the BSD) is authorship. Right. As an example, I like to give away my code for people to study and play with. The only thing I

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:29:01PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 12:12:37PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: But in general, we choose to remain known as author. That is our privilege for the files we created or modified extensively. Whatever you choose to do with

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 05:55:16PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 08:09:41AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: The only section of copyright that isn't surrendered by the ISC license (also often mistakenly called the BSD) is authorship. Right. As an example, I like to

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-05-04, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but is the name of the license, or the name + URL enough? Anyone can then change the contents of the URL later on. For example: domain expires, evil scammers grab it and publish a new license at the same URL requiring payment for

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 04:31:11PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-05-04, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but is the name of the license, or the name + URL enough? Anyone can then change the contents of the URL later on. For example: domain expires, evil scammers grab

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:12:04AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: public domain is not properly defined in the framework of the law. True (in the Nederlands), I recently wrote a letter to the Ministry of Justice about dutch copyright law wich does not give an author the possibility to put a work

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Lars Noodén
Marco Peereboom wrote: public domain is not properly defined in the framework of the law. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/ Public domain is very clearly defined by law: it is the absence of copyright. If it's public domain, then you and everyone else can do *anything* to it or

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 07:03:09PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: (but going by your name you are just being dutch!). I don't understand.. Yes I'm dutch, is this a joke/saying? Yes and no :-) The dutch are notoriously known to argue for arguments sake. That is what I was getting at. Beware

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On 5/4/08, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keeping authorship for a resume sounds like a somewhat good reason to me. I think you could also use public domain code for a resume, but that may have it's downsides. My question is something like: is keeping copyright worth putting the

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On 5/4/08, Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pulic domain also says do with it whatever you like. I really don't know about the importance of the disclaimer. Maybe it depends on the country you live in. I'm a minimalist is some respects, and I think you should not put anything in a

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 08:32:43PM +0300, Lars Nood??n wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: public domain is not properly defined in the framework of the law. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/ Public domain is very clearly defined by law: it is the absence of copyright. If

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Grumpy
The dutch are notoriously known to argue for arguments sake. That is what I was getting at. Come on. Only those of french descent do.

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 05:55:16PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: | As an example, I like to give away my code for people to study and play | with. The only thing I demand is credit for that piece of code. The | reason I do not abandon that right is because at some point in my life I | might

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Pieter == Pieter Verberne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pieter I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD (-like) licenses Pieter versus public domain. public domain is not a legal license in some countries. In other words, you can't totally give away all your rights. So, an explicit

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread chefren
On 5/4/08 12:15 PM, Pieter Verberne wrote: But wouldn't it be just great to put anything like this in a file's header? : # This file is in public domain or even better: # public domain When there is no name there is nobody who can testify it is in the public domain. Don't forget: Basically

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/5/4 debian developer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let me make a few things clear. I am a newbie. I'm not a troll but a seriously curious guy wanting to know. Which is why you stay anonym and don't follow the discussion. Looks like trolling to me. OTOH a non-troll would have the knowledge of

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread chefren
On 5/4/08 8:37 PM, Lars NoodC)n wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: public domain is not properly defined in the framework of the law. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/ Public domain is very clearly defined by law: it is the absence of copyright. If it's public domain, then you and

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread Ted Unangst
On 5/3/08, debian developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. BSD license is completely free. No one needs to give back changes forcibly(the GPL way), hence this is completely free. If what i hear is correct, there are companies(Microsoft) which take BSD code (network stack i hear) and made

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread Steve Shockley
debian developer wrote: Let me make a few things clear. I am a newbie. I'm not a troll but a seriously curious guy wanting to know. That's what all the trolls say. If what i hear is correct, there are companies(Microsoft) which take BSD code (network stack i hear) and made it

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: Hello, Let me make a few things clear. I am a newbie. I'm not a troll but a seriously curious guy wanting to know. I searched google but could not find any clear explanation. Please point me in the right direction if this has

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread bofh
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:22 PM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But today, my linux boxes at work can authenticate using kerberos. This is a big win for me. That is - authenticate to AD using kerberos. Sorry for any confusion. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread bofh
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: I have a few questions(no, not which license is better.:): It all depends on what you want to do. At the very basic level, the GPL gives freedom to the end

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread raven
Jacob Meuser ha scritto: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: Hello, [snip] the question is, how is porting free software to non-free platforms ok, but providing easier ways to install non-free software on free platforms wrong? With 2 doubleclick you

Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-03 Thread Jussi Peltola
Hi, On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: 1. BSD license is completely free. No one needs to give back changes forcibly(the GPL way), hence this is completely free. If what i hear is correct, there are companies(Microsoft) which take BSD code (network stack i