Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-12 Thread Artturi Alm
2012/10/11 Boudewijn Dijkstra sp4mtr4p.boudew...@indes.com: What about init.8 and init.c? They also mention fastboot. You're right, those were missing since i redirected output of cvs diff into a wrong file from sbin/init because of typo. i should triple-read before sending, thanks for the

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra
Op Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:43:35 +0200 schreef Artturi Alm artturi@gmail.com: 2012/10/10 Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Yes, it is a relic. You may take action against it, Ted. Don't forget to also remove

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Илья Шипицин
ÓÒÅÄÁ, 10 ÏËÔÑÂÒÑ 2012 Ç. ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌØ Nick Holland ÐÉÓÁÌ: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, éÌØÑ ûÉÐÉÃÉÎ wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast boot: skipping disk checks. elif [ X$1 = Xautoboot ]; then

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:10:19PM +0600, ??? wrote: ?, 10 ??? 2012 ?. Nick Holland ?: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, ??? wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Eric Furman
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 07:10 AM, Илья Шипицин wrote: ÓÒÅÄÁ, 10 ÏËÔÑÂÒÑ 2012 Ç. ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌØ Nick Holland ÐÉÓÁÌ: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, éÌØÑ ûÉÐÉÃÉÎ wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
Илья Шипицин chipits...@gmail.com writes: [...] Just one more question. If /fastboot presents, filesystem won't be checked, right? That's what's supposed to happen. Else /fastboot wouldn't exist, I guess. But how does fsck detects if there's /fastboot? Is it possible thing to do without

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Илья Шипицин
2012/10/11 Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:10:19PM +0600, ??? wrote: ?, 10 ??? 2012 ?. Nick Holland ?: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, ??? wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Nick Holland
... I'm struggling with 7Tb filesystems, it takes about 30 minutes to check them in case of cold reset. Too much. Very too much. and currently, no journals or anything else which could speed up 7Tb filesystems check ? Almost always (in my mind/experience), file systems that big are bad

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Stary
Is it possible to mount dirty filesystem in read-only mode ? If not, it doesn't make sense at all. Yes, you can mount dirty filesystem with -f. Even read-write iirc. Very dangerous. I'm struggling with 7Tb filesystems, it takes about 30 minutes to check them in case of cold

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:09:50AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Almost always (in my mind/experience), file systems that big are bad My /usr/ports/mind/experience appear to be broken..

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Илья Шипицин
2012/10/11 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz Is it possible to mount dirty filesystem in read-only mode ? If not, it doesn't make sense at all. Yes, you can mount dirty filesystem with -f. Even read-write iirc. Very dangerous. I'm struggling with 7Tb filesystems, it takes about 30

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Nick Bender
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 07:10 AM, Илья Шипицин wrote: ÓÒÅÄÁ, 10 ÏËÔÑÂÒÑ 2012 Ç. ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌØ Nick Holland ÐÉÓÁÌ: how it supposed to work for non-nfs filesystems ? properly? they'll be not checked, too?

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Илья Шипицин
2012/10/11 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net ... I'm struggling with 7Tb filesystems, it takes about 30 minutes to check them in case of cold reset. Too much. Very too much. and currently, no journals or anything else which could speed up 7Tb filesystems check ? Almost always (in

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:22:13PM +0600, ??? wrote: 2012/10/11 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz Is it possible to mount dirty filesystem in read-only mode ? If not, it doesn't make sense at all. Yes, you can mount dirty filesystem with -f. Even read-write iirc. Very

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Jiri B
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:29:50PM +0600, �?л�?�? Шипи�?ин wrote: there are http access logs for half an year. it's easier to rotate them on a single filesystem from many points of view, we also share it via samba (very tricky to share many chunks). and it is bad idea to mount access logs

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Илья Шипицин
2012/10/11 Jiri B ji...@devio.us On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:29:50PM +0600, Ð?лÑ?Ñ? ШипиÑ?ин wrote: there are http access logs for half an year. it's easier to rotate them on a single filesystem from many points of view, we also share it via samba (very tricky to share many

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Nick Holland
On 10/11/2012 01:15 PM, Илья Шипицин wrote: 2012/10/11 Jiri B ji...@devio.us On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:29:50PM +0600, Ð?лÑ?Ñ? ШипиÑ?ин wrote: there are http access logs for half an year. this is a trivial case where using multiple file systems works wonderfully. it's easier

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Stary
I'm struggling with 7Tb filesystems, it takes about 30 minutes to check them in case of cold reset. Too much. Very too much. and currently, no journals or anything else which could speed up 7Tb filesystems check ? man newfs, in particular the -i option. What does 'df -hi' say

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Alexander Hall
On 10/11/12 22:27, Nick Holland wrote: On 10/11/2012 01:15 PM, Илья Шипицин wrote: 2012/10/11 Jiri B ji...@devio.us On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:29:50PM +0600, Ð?лÑ?Ñ? ШипиÑ?ин wrote: there are http access logs for half an year. this is a trivial case where using multiple file

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-11 Thread Hugo Villeneuve
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 02:44:32PM +0600, ??? wrote: ?, 10 ??? 2012 ?. Nick Holland ?: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, ??? wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-10 Thread Илья Шипицин
ÓÒÅÄÁ, 10 ÏËÔÑÂÒÑ 2012 Ç. ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌØ Nick Holland ÐÉÓÁÌ: On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, éÌØÑ ûÉÐÉÃÉÎ wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast boot: skipping disk checks. elif [ X$1 = Xautoboot ]; then

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 10/09/2012 12:55 PM, Илья Шипицин wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast boot: skipping disk checks. elif [ X$1 = Xautoboot ]; then echo Automatic boot in progress: starting file system checks.

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-09 Thread Ted Unangst
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 22:55, Илья Шипицин wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast boot: skipping disk checks. elif [ X$1 = Xautoboot ]; then echo Automatic boot in progress: starting file system checks.

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 22:55, Илья Шипицин wrote: Hello! I'm investigating /etc/rc script. And I found the following there: if [ -e /fastboot ]; then echo Fast boot: skipping disk checks. elif [ X$1 = Xautoboot ]; then echo Automatic boot in progress: starting file

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-09 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Yes, it is a relic. You may take action against it, Ted. Don't forget to also remove the shutdown(8) bits that use it. Philip Guenther

Re: the idea of /fastboot ?

2012-10-09 Thread Artturi Alm
2012/10/10 Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Yes, it is a relic. You may take action against it, Ted. Don't forget to also remove the shutdown(8) bits that use it. Philip Guenther was bored, does this miss