Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # Secure Distribution. The most secure operation system gets distributed on FTP servers as unsigned binaries. You should create your own binaries if you want secure binaries. He's also conveniently forgetting about the MD5 sums, conveniently provided in a

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we will meet in Riga, I will like to hear from you explanation, how does putting md5 checksum file *along* with installables on the same vulnerable channel, helps to make sure, that they are not backdoored ;] you don't have to wait that long. fetch

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 12:11:13PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # Secure Distribution. The most secure operation system gets distributed on FTP servers as unsigned binaries. You should create your own binaries if you want secure binaries. He's also

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 01:14:07PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we will meet in Riga, I will like to hear from you explanation, how does putting md5 checksum file *along* with installables on the same vulnerable channel, helps to make sure,

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread NetOne - Doichin Dokov
Nikns Siankin P=P0P?P8QP0: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 01:14:07PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we will meet in Riga, I will like to hear from you explanation, how does putting md5 checksum file *along* with installables on the same

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hahaha. yeah. different vulnerable mirror, while I'm MITM'ing your ISP. see ya the other option of course is to just buy the CDs. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Thordur I. Bjornsson
Lots of whining. Where are your diffs to fix these issues ? Oh, no wait. you want *other* people todo the work for you, its not enough that you got what they gave already you want more, you ungrateful whining dick. -- Wer nicht liebt Wein, Weib und Gesang / Der bleibt ein Narr sein Lebelang.

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:17PM +0100, Thordur I. Bjornsson wrote: Lots of whining. Where are your diffs to fix these issues ? Well, before you ask for diffs, I have to hear from devs, that these ARE considered to be issues that MUST be fixed. Until that, i can stick my diffs in your ass.

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Nikns Siankin wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:17PM +0100, Thordur I. Bjornsson wrote: Lots of whining. Where are your diffs to fix these issues ? Well, before you ask for diffs, I have to hear from devs, that these ARE considered to be issues that MUST be fixed. Until that, i

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread STeve Andre'
On Monday 14 January 2008 11:30:11 Nikns Siankin wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:17PM +0100, Thordur I. Bjornsson wrote: Lots of whining. Where are your diffs to fix these issues ? Well, before you ask for diffs, I have to hear from devs, that these ARE considered to be issues that

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 01:39:15PM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: you are correct that some of the issues you brought up are actual shortcomings in openbsd. however, **bitching** that these are problems that need to be fixed is about as rude as you can get. a number of the issues you

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Ted Unangst
On 1/14/08, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, before you ask for diffs, I have to hear from devs, that these ARE considered to be issues that MUST be fixed. they are not issues that must be fixed.

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Dusty
On Jan 14, 2008 10:09 PM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 01:39:15PM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: you are correct that some of the issues you brought up are actual shortcomings in openbsd. however, **bitching** that these are problems that need to be

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 14, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Nikns Siankin wrote: If you get money from selling CDs/soft, its just clearly unfair to not support it. Yes, I'm talking about stable ports. Actually, the OpenBSD OS is supported. Your argument is pointless. Stable ports are NOT supported because, well, it's

Re: facts about OpenBSD (FOOOLS)

2008-01-14 Thread Rico Secada
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:53:35 -0800 johan beisser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bitching and whining get you nothing. When will you people stop responding to whiners like this!? He's bitching and your just bitching back. Leave the ignorant fool alone, and he will stop barking up your three! It's not

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-14 Thread Markus Lude
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:07:35PM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Marc Balmer wrote: Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-13 Thread Siju George
On Jan 10, 2008 7:52 PM, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe also because, having just had a something of a flamefest, they're wary of fanning this fire. That describes me :-)

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-13 Thread Joe
On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP for securing WiFi networks

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 11:03:29PM +0200, Nikns Siankin wrote: # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP for securing WiFi networks. Has no WPA/WPA2 support. Where is your wpa code for OpenBSD ?

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 03:03:02PM +0200, Nikns Siankin wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 12:43:48PM +, Edd Barrett wrote: Hello, A lot of this is down to manpower or lack thereof. You can make it better if you put some effort in. Failing that, If it's so bad, then why don't you use

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-11 Thread Nikns Siankin
Thanks everyone who responded in constructive fashion, and thanks for all additions to list, sorry for not answering you all! These who got hurt about these truthfull facts, rest in peace. hehehe On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 11:03:29PM +0200, Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-11 Thread Iqbal
additions to list, sorry for not answering you all! These who got hurt about these truthfull facts, rest in peace. hehehe On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 11:03:29PM +0200, Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Tony Abernethy
Nikns Siankin wrote: I see people keep repeating nonsense like this instead of talking about topic. At least he can read. And think.

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nikns Siankin wrote: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! Well, by buying the release CD you get a fairly secure method of getting the majority of the

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Rico Secada
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:33:57 -0600 Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikns Siankin wrote: I see people keep repeating nonsense like this instead of talking about topic. At least he can read. And think. Leave the troll alone, he wants someone to play with, and he got that.

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nikns Siankin wrote: I don't believe anymore, that someone from side can make it better. The only people who could make it better are talking to community only when release CD needs to get sold or donations are needed. So you think that the community at

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:24:33 +0200 Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:56:01PM +1100, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:00:53 +0200, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] We have had several pointless trolls too many lately. As a result your

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:07:35PM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Facts about Nikns Siankin: # Whiner. He bitches incessantly about stuff and does nothing to fix it. # Jerk. He ignores that most of the development time that goes into # Misleading. He claims the system is distributed on

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:00:53 +0200, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:07:35PM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Facts about Nikns Siankin: # Whiner. He bitches incessantly about stuff and does nothing to fix it. # Jerk. He ignores that most of the development

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Joerg Zinke
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:03:29 +0200 Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! if you do not like to use CURRENT, send a patch which

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:56:01PM +1100, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:00:53 +0200, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] We have had several pointless trolls too many lately. As a result your pointless humour does not raise a laugh. Stay on-topic or fuck off like jacob

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Edd Barrett
Hello, On Jan 9, 2008 9:03 PM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only people who could make it better are talking to community only when release CD needs to get sold or donations are needed. This tells me mainly you don't actually read the OpenBSD mailing lists. Damn, misc@ used to have such a nice signal to

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 11:56:15AM +0100, Joerg Zinke wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:03:29 +0200 Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 12:43:48PM +, Edd Barrett wrote: Hello, A lot of this is down to manpower or lack thereof. You can make it better if you put some effort in. Failing that, If it's so bad, then why don't you use another operating system? Hi, I don't believe anymore, that someone from

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 07:02:16PM +0530, Amarendra Godbole wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 6:14 PM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I get lot of response offlist. It seems that people are afraid to discuss these issues onlist, guess because of this YOURE WHINER or DONT LIKE DONT USE

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Jan 10, 2008 6:14 PM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I get lot of response offlist. It seems that people are afraid to discuss these issues onlist, guess because of this YOURE WHINER or DONT LIKE DONT USE attitude. [...] I am relatively new to OpenBSD, I am merely a user, and

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Curt Micol
Amen to this. On Jan 10, 2008 8:18 AM, Peter N. M. Hansteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, misc@ used to have such a nice signal to noise ratio. -- # Curt Micol Today is the tomorrow I was so worried about yesterday. -Anthony Hopkins

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Curt Micol
On Jan 10, 2008 8:39 AM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see people keep repeating nonsense like this instead of talking about topic. This is due to the fact that people don't feel your thoughts are on topic. Bitch elsewhere, thats what blogs are for. Leave misc@ for those people who

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Nikns Siankin
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:04:52AM -0500, Curt Micol wrote: On Jan 10, 2008 8:39 AM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see people keep repeating nonsense like this instead of talking about topic. This is due to the fact that people don't feel your thoughts are on topic. Bitch elsewhere,

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Michael Schmidt
Amarendra Godbole schrieb: On Jan 10, 2008 6:14 PM, Nikns Siankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I get lot of response offlist. It seems that people... [...] I am relatively new to OpenBSD, I am merely a user, and I read the misc@ list always. I do my homework mostly before

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/01/10 14:44, Nikns Siankin wrote: # Do not let serious problems sit unsolved. OpenBSD doesn't need MAC because it has their own security flawed systrace. i do not get the point. seriously, have you ever used systrace? Sure I do, but it's flawed now anyway. even flawed,

facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-09 Thread Nikns Siankin
Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP for securing WiFi networks. Has no WPA/WPA2 support. # Do not let serious problems

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-09 Thread Marc Balmer
Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP for securing WiFi networks. Has no WPA/WPA2 support. # Do

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-09 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Nikns Siankin wrote: Disclaimer: Like it or not. I'm OpenBSD user for 4 years. Shit on my head - shit on all OpenBSD supporters. What's your point? I mean, why do you want anyone to shit all over..? If you don't like it, don't use it. -- Antoine

Re: facts about OpenBSD

2008-01-09 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Marc Balmer wrote: Nikns Siankin wrote: Facts about OpenBSD: # Stable release cycle. If you want to run latest bugfree ClamAV or FireFox - upgrade to CURRENT! But don't forget to buy release CD's!!! # Secure By Default. OpenBSD uses broken WEP for securing WiFi networks. Has no WPA