Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:07:13 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Sunday 19 June 2005 08:51 pm, Nick Holland wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: http://bs.somewhere.real.not This has nothing to do with OpenBSD. It isn't new. It isn't unique. In effect, you just spammed the list, advertising someone's

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Timothy A. Napthali
You can't sell that bridge - I own it... :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod.. Whitworth Sent: Monday, 20 June 2005 4:26 PM To: Dave Feustel; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nick Holland Cc: misc Subject: Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:36:28 +1000, Timothy A. Napthali wrote: You can't sell that bridge - I own it... :) Given your office address I'd bet you are keeping a close watch to see if I sell it again, too! ~|^ = From the land down under: Australia. Do we look umop apisdn from up over? Do NOT

Re: IPSec Vulnerabilidade

2005-06-20 Thread Dunceor .
This maillist is english-speaking and it would help if you just didn't assume that every one understands your language. On 6/20/05, Andre Siqueira de Cordova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alguim sabe como solucionar a Vulnerabilidade encontrada no protocolo ESP do IPSec ? Andri

Re: OT: Programming portability

2005-06-20 Thread VaX#n8
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Zakelj writes: That is, how does one figure out what needs to be changed in order to make OpenNTPD work on Linux? If you know what is available on Linux and what is used on the code, you can do this manually, but usually it involves trying to compile it on

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Nick Holland
Dave Feustel wrote: On Sunday 19 June 2005 08:51 pm, Nick Holland wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: http://www.amecisco.com/faq_hardwarekeylogger.htm#Q1 This has nothing to do with OpenBSD. It isn't new. It isn't unique. In effect, you just spammed the list, advertising someone's product. If

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:07:13AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Sunday 19 June 2005 08:51 pm, Nick Holland wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: http://www.amecisco.com/faq_hardwarekeylogger.htm#Q1 This has nothing to do with OpenBSD. It isn't new. It isn't unique. In effect, you just

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 12:52 am, Brett Lymn wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:06:02AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: So far I see no defense against this spying technique of password capture. Regardless of whether they are built in or not - one possible way to get around keyloggers

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 12:43 am, Chris Zakelj wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: The device is obviously not new. What *is* new is that it is being installed as oem equipment inside of keyboards for HP and Dell systems and also inside of 'used keyboards which can be unobtrusively switched in for

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:08:18AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: If one-time passwords capability is built into OpenBSD, where can I read about how to use them? RTFM comes to mind. apropos otp gives you valid pointers. After that, I think you're a big boy, you can figure it out yourself...

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 12:23 am, Timothy A. Napthali wrote: I'm fairly sure this is a hoax. I have seen this referenced several times over the past few weeks and I have seen no evidence to indicate and truth to the matter. Here is a relevant link:

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Chris Zakelj
Dave Feustel wrote: If you read the FAQ carefully you would note that the keylogger chip is now being installed in oem equipment for the company marketing the keyboard. Buying a unit off the shelf does not guarantee that there is no keylogger chip installed in the keyboard. No, but it does

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Chris Zakelj
Dave Feustel wrote: You are making fact out of fiction and also dealing with the wrong scenario. If everyone's keystrokes are monitored by a builtin keylogger in each computer, then the computer of any 'person of interest' is an open book to any 3-letter agency that decides to find out what

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 01:32 am, Ben Hooper wrote: |I thought you had more insight. All of OpenBSD's security is |at risk with |this technology. | |The security features of an OS will not stop a physical attack, no |matter how well designed. This is no different than the admin leaving

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Alexander Bochmann
...on Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:08:18AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: If one-time passwords capability is built into OpenBSD, where can I read about how to use them? skey(1) will start you off. Alex.

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:08:18 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Monday 20 June 2005 06:36 am, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:07:13AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Sunday 19 June 2005 08:51 pm, Nick Holland wrote: Dave Feustel wrote:

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Alexander Bochmann
...on Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:32:09AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: One Time Passwords such as skey(1) are also good for insecure environments. I just read the man page for skey, but I still don't quite understand how it works. Would I use a calculator to generate a response that I type in

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 07:14 am, Chris Zakelj wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: If you read the FAQ carefully you would note that the keylogger chip is now being installed in oem equipment for the company marketing the keyboard. Buying a unit off the shelf does not guarantee that there is no

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: One Time Passwords such as skey(1) are also good for insecure environments. Ben. I just read the man page for skey, but I still don't quite understand how it works. Would I use a calculator to generate a response that I type in response to a

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Alexander Bochmann
...on Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:24:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Here is a relevant link: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73190 That's just the same thing all over. We may get to find out - see the above link which is apparently the source material for the snopes

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:32:09 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: On Monday 20 June 2005 01:32 am, Ben Hooper wrote: |I thought you had more insight. All of OpenBSD's security is |at risk with |this technology. | |The security features of an OS will not stop a physical attack, no |matter how well

Authpf Help

2005-06-20 Thread Brandon Mercer
Hello Group, I've been playing around with authpf and got things working pretty well with it. Now I've got a request to make things work even better and that's where I got stuck. My setup is that I authenticate users on our gateway before allowing an incoming Remote Desktop connection from them.

Re: A system for patches....

2005-06-20 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Monday, June 20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody could write a shellscript wich includes the Checksums for a compiled (and patched) binary for each architecture. Sure, my company could do that. The rate I've quoted you before. Or you could do it yourself... only to findout that the

bug or bad disk?

2005-06-20 Thread Rob Foster
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2001/01/20/0010.html http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2001/04/16/0001.html is this the same as the netbsd bug from 2001, or do I have a bad disk? There are no smart errors. # dd if=/dev/rwd0c of=/dev/rwd1c bs=1m dd: /dev/rwd0c: Input/output error

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Monday, June 20, Dave Feustel wrote: I thought you had more insight. All of OpenBSD's security is at risk with this technology. Nope, he has lots of insight. You on the other hand are the security risk here... well, you were, and maybe, just maybe, if you smarten up and realize what you

Re: Authpf Help

2005-06-20 Thread Mark Uemura
like to be able to log in to their machine. I've tried setting up specific rules that rdr to their machines to no avail. Here are some things I've tried: I'm not quite sure why you are using the rdr rule? I've got the same requirements as you have described above but no need for rdr. I am

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Artur Grabowski
Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 20 June 2005 12:33 am, Chris Zakelj wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: I thought you had more insight. All of OpenBSD's security is at risk with this technology. The security features of an OS will not stop a physical attack, no matter

Re: Authpf Help

2005-06-20 Thread Brandon Mercer
Mark Uemura wrote: like to be able to log in to their machine. I've tried setting up specific rules that rdr to their machines to no avail. Here are some things I've tried: I'm not quite sure why you are using the rdr rule? I've got the same requirements as you have described above but

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:49:47AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: I *would* like to see some pictures of a keylogger chip installed in a keyboard. also might be a good idea to find some pictures of the underside of a keyboard. phillips head screws and all... for me, it's time to edit

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 08:14 am, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: One Time Passwords such as skey(1) are also good for insecure environments. Ben. I just read the man page for skey, but I still don't quite understand how it works. Would I use

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:45:53 +0200, Dimitry Andric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-06-20 at 17:00:57 Artur Grabowski wrote: the data, nothing prevents them from installing a keylogger (surprise) or a camera that will film the keyboard or a microphone that will record the keyboard clicks so

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Eric Zylstra
On Jun 20, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: nazis Invalid invocation! It must be a genuine, spontaneous reference. Now you damn us to dozens more messages in this thread because we all are now aware of the risk. EZ ;-)

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 08:05 am, Alexander Bochmann wrote: ...on Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:24:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Here is a relevant link: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73190 That's just the same thing all over. We may get to find out - see the

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Marti Martinez
On 6/19/05, Timothy A. Napthali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fairly sure this is a hoax. I have seen this referenced several times over the past few weeks and I have seen no evidence to indicate and truth to the matter. Apart from the obvious legal implications outside of the US how long do

Ftp-proxy

2005-06-20 Thread Timothy Horie
I can't seem to get ftp-proxy working. I've looked at quite a few websites and mailing list messages and I think I'm really close. But something isn't right. When a lan computer tries to ftp, it connects but when it does ls or dir it says 200 PORT command successful - not using PASV, eh?

Re: Ftp-proxy

2005-06-20 Thread N.J. Reuvers
Replace this: pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any port 20 to ($ext_if) \ port 55000 57000 user proxy flags S/SA keep state By this: pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if \ user proxy keep state -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 10:43 am, Tobias Weingartner wrote: On Monday, June 20, Dave Feustel wrote: I just read the man page for skey, but I still don't quite understand how it works. Would I use a calculator to generate a response that I type in response to a challenge, or what? Or

Encrypted Swap

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
Setting up GPG and I thought I enabled encrypted swap with sysctl -w vm.swapencrypt.enable=1 it threw a message telling me that it was changing it. I also uncommented it in /etc/sysctl.conf but have not booted since doing that. Looking thorugh the archives and the faq I thought that should make

Re: snort homedir ?

2005-06-20 Thread mess-mate
Clint M. Sand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 03:17:48PM +0200, mess-mate wrote: | Hi, | i've installed snort and created the user/group snort. | Since snort runs as a daemon a homdir is not necessary, isn't ? | How can i remove / setup the user snort without a homedir ( |

Re: Encrypted Swap

2005-06-20 Thread Rogier Krieger
On 6/20/05, Ray Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setting up GPG and I thought I enabled encrypted swap with sysctl -w vm.swapencrypt.enable=1 You're already there; only GPG doesn't know about that. I suspect you misread the instructions. GPG will whine about insecure memory so long as it does

Re: Encrypted Swap

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 09:17:55PM +0200, Rogier Krieger wrote: On 6/20/05, Ray Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Setting up GPG and I thought I enabled encrypted swap with sysctl -w vm.swapencrypt.enable=1 You're already there; only GPG doesn't know about that. I suspect you misread the

mcopy -s foo a:

2005-06-20 Thread chefren
What's wrong (besides the stupidity of using a floppy...): Insert an empty floppy # cd /tmp # mkdir foo # echo aap foo/aa-test-1.xml # mcopy -s foo a: # mount -t msdos -o -l /dev/fd0c /mnt # mkdir bar # cp -R /mnt/foo bar cp: /mnt/foo/aa-test-1.xml: No such file or directory Or for

raid controllers (3ware vs. intel and lsi)

2005-06-20 Thread Rob Foster
3ware raid controllers don't have an audible speaker when a drive fails. What SATA raid card (2 drives) is the easiest to deal with under errors? I hear the intel and ami(lsi) cards are recommended, but is it 6 of one and a half dozen of the other? Is there anyway in openbsd 3.7 to tell when a

Re: Printers?

2005-06-20 Thread Johan P . Lindström
Almost all HP lasers you can find nowadays will do PCL 4 or better, don't go for the PS rendering it's often done in the printer driver. On 6/20/05, Ryan Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 11:58 -0700, Brian wrote: I would be looking for laser printer under $300. Any

No man pages after installing bash

2005-06-20 Thread Timothy Horie
Hello, I can't use man pages for some reason after I installed bash and login using bash. I typed 'man dump' and it says that it can't find a manual page for that. I looked at some help on the web and there's a MANPATH but I'm not sure what to set it to. I also looked at the /etc/man.conf

customised network installation...

2005-06-20 Thread poncenby
Greetings all, I need to build an OpenBSD box completely stripped down, so I don't want any kind of C compiler. If one cannot use pkg_add in a custom installation script then how does one push customised applications onto clients? Does a method exist for OpenBSD which is analogous to

Re: customised network installation...

2005-06-20 Thread Stephan Wehner
Did you look at http://openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#site Stephan

Re: No man pages after installing bash

2005-06-20 Thread Timothy Horie
Nevermind. I installed man37.tgz and now everything works. Timothy Horie wrote: Hello, I can't use man pages for some reason after I installed bash and login using bash. I typed 'man dump' and it says that it can't find a manual page for that. I looked at some help on the web and there's

Re: raid controllers (3ware vs. intel and lsi)

2005-06-20 Thread Jim Razmus
* Rob Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050620 17:06]: 3ware raid controllers don't have an audible speaker when a drive fails. What SATA raid card (2 drives) is the easiest to deal with under errors? I hear the intel and ami(lsi) cards are recommended, but is it 6 of one and a half dozen of the

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 20 June 2005 07:29 am, Jeremy Bowen wrote: On Monday 20 June 2005 11:55 pm, Dave Feustel wrote: If you read the FAQ carefully you would note that the keylogger chip is now being installed in oem equipment for the company marketing the keyboard. Buying a unit off the shelf does not

Re: Asymmetric gigabit speeds at full load / OpenBSD 3.7

2005-06-20 Thread Sean Knox
Frederic BRET wrote: Hi all, This is my first post to this list. I'm trying to understand why our OpenBSD PF router is not able to cope correctly with needed gigabit speeds On our gigabit firewall, I've found that it's able to forward traffic at ~920 Mb/s (69.2% interrupt,

Re: Proxy arp needed for NAT?

2005-06-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
--On 20 June 2005 16:23 -0700, Michael Favinsky wrote: I was reading through the pf documentation and found the following example of NATing several internal IP addresses to two external IP addresses: nat on $ext_if inet from any to any - 192.0.2.4/31 source-hash Let's say the external IP

Re: Proxy arp needed for NAT?

2005-06-20 Thread Stephen Marley
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 04:23:51PM -0700, Michael Favinsky wrote: I was reading through the pf documentation and found the following example of NATing several internal IP addresses to two external IP addresses: nat on $ext_if inet from any to any - 192.0.2.4/31 source-hash Let's say the

Re: No man pages after installing bash

2005-06-20 Thread Tony
Check /etc/man.conf from fresh 3.7 install (with bash and a few others installed) ?? Did you install the man pages ?? bash-3.00$ cat /etc/man.conf # $OpenBSD: man.conf,v 1.8 2001/04/05 19:05:49 millert Exp $ # Sheer, raging paranoia... _versionBSD.2 # The whatis/apropos database.

Audio

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
I have a nforce mobo with built in sound. Dmesg shows auich0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Nvidia nForce AC-97 Audio rev 0xc2: irq 5, nForce AC97 audio0 at auich0 So I'm pretty sure the drivers are loaded and the card is supported. I think the problem is that /dev/sound is lrwx-- 1 root wheel

Re: OT: Hardware keyloggers embedded in new keyboards?

2005-06-20 Thread Joseph C. Bender
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Jeremy Bowen wrote: Why else would anyone incorporate it in there, when a cheap Korean manufacturer could save $5 by leaving such a device out. (Or are you suggesting the NSA are in the business of subsidising keyboard sales :-) Of course, at this point, I'd

Re: How do we disable console output temporarily.

2005-06-20 Thread John Draper
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2005/06/18 14:41:10, John Draper wrote: Quickest way is probably 'pkill syslogd' (or 'kill `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid`' if you don't have pkill). ...or just login as a user other than root, and use sudo to execute the commands... Ok, if I do that,

ral0 problem

2005-06-20 Thread Matt Brenneke
With the upgrade to OpenBSD 3.7, I decided it was time to upgrade from 802.11b to 802.11g. I went out and bought a linksys card (Ralink RT2560 based). I pulled out my old wi0 card and put in the ral0 card, updated my pf rules and hostname.if file, and tried to connect, but KisMAC and iStumbler

Re: ATi XPRESS

2005-06-20 Thread Brad
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:21:41PM +0200, Peter Huncar wrote: Hi I know that the chipset isn't supported yet, but one funny thing: When I boot my MSI MB with ATi XPRESS chipset using the floppy, it runs very well ;) Networking works, even installing the system from some sources (tried ftp

Re: S-Video TV Hookup

2005-06-20 Thread Dan Smythe
I set up the ports tree and did a make and make install in the /usr/ports/x11/gatos-bin directory. Is there something special I have to do to get my hookup to work? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: How do we disable console output temporarily.

2005-06-20 Thread Bob Beck
Changes have been commited to the example syslog.conf in -current to address this, mainly, stop spewing useless crap to root and the console. -Bob * John Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-20 19:47]: Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2005/06/18 14:41:10, John Draper wrote:

Re: Eric Raymond talks about GPL and BSD licenses on MyFreeBSD.com

2005-06-20 Thread Steffen Kluge
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 22:20 -0500, Jeff Bachtel wrote: You know, I've often been accused of being unable to read, but to my eyes it appears Raymond was positing that the GPL was not needed, and that software should be released under a BSD license. Actually, he said GPL is based on the belief

Re: sudo vulnerability

2005-06-20 Thread Todd C. Miller
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] so spake Steffen Kluge (kluge): Is it recommendable to fetch and install 1.6.8p9 straight away? No, you should grab the OpenBSD patch, as announced on the security-announce list. ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.6/common/018_sudo.patch

Re: sudo vulnerability

2005-06-20 Thread Todd C. Miller
No, you should grab the OpenBSD patch, as announced on the security-announce list. ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.6/common/018_sudo.patch ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.7/common/003_sudo.patch ftp.openbsd.org is having problems at the moment but the patch