Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

2010-01-25 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Steve Shockley (steve.shock...@shockley.net) wrote: On 1/24/2010 2:48 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: Cron runs the weekly update script every Saturday at 3:30am. If you use a laptop or other desktop, your computer probably isn't on then. So the locate and whatis databases never get updated unless

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread Markus Hennecke
jean-francois wrote: Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or a C program ? man speaker(4), if you are on i386 or amd64. Kind regards, Markus

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

2010-01-25 Thread Jan Stary
On Jan 24 13:32:43, joshua stein wrote: Cron runs the weekly update script every Saturday at 3:30am. If you use a laptop or other desktop, your computer probably isn't on then. So the locate and whatis databases never get updated unless you run it by hand. So somebody should figure

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Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:04:15PM -0800, Ben Calvert wrote: On Jan 24, 2010, at 5:06 PM, nixlists wrote: I specifically wrote above When configured as documented. No admin will run a mail server with write-back cache enabled on either controller or drives really? how sure of this are

Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction

2010-01-25 Thread Chris Dukes
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:34:24PM +0100, Stefan Rinkes wrote: [SNEEP] Generally the best day to post these announcements is the first day of the fourth month of the year. And if you're into product life cycle management, it's a wonderful day for a product to be out of service... -- Chris Dukes

Re: GNOBSD-Project introduction

2010-01-25 Thread Bret Lambert
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:34:24PM +0100, Stefan Rinkes wrote: [SNEEP] Generally the best day to post these announcements is the first day of the fourth month of the year. But the day these ideas are traditionally

OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Hi list! I'm setting up a vpn between two openbsd firewall: This is the scenario: FW1 FW2 $ext 192.168.1.33 $ext 192.168.1.2 $int 10.1.1.1 $int 192.168.7.1 $host 10.1.3.53

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

2010-01-25 Thread Lars Nooden
I used to run into problems on old equipment (old in 1997 already) running the daily and weekly scripts early in the morning around the time I was arriving at work. find and conditional execution are one method available of checking the age of the database. #!/bin/ksh

Re: Measuring network data?

2010-01-25 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-01-24, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am running OpenBSD as a gateway to the internet using pf to nat my LAN machines. Just wondering if there is a way to measure how much data have moved through my obsd router for a given frame of time? E.g. 300 MB today between 2pm ~ 5pm?

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-25 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
On 01/23/2010 01:02 AM, Steve Shockley wrote: On 1/22/2010 12:13 PM, Dan Harnett wrote Nowhere in the article is proof provided that OpenBSD is insecure. Sure there is; OpenBSD uses Sendmail and BIND, and they've had lots of vulnerabilities! http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#HowAbout

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Johan Beisser
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list! I'm setting up a vpn between two openbsd firewall: This is the scenario: FW1 FW2 $ext 192.168.1.33 $ext 192.168.1.2 $int 10.1.1.1

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread ropers
2010/1/25 Markus Hennecke markus-henne...@markus-hennecke.de: jean-francois wrote: Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or a C program ? man speaker(4), if you are on i386 or amd64. I'm so stupid. Of course it says right on that man page that

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Johan Beisser
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Johan Beisser wrote: Hi Johan. Thanks for the answer. I've reduced my pf.conf on client and server side to: ext=rl0 int=rl1 nat on $ext from $int:network - $ext:0 nat on tun0 from $int:network - tun0:0

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Johan Beisser wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list! I'm setting up a vpn between two openbsd firewall: This is the scenario: FW1 FW2 $ext 192.168.1.33 $ext 192.168.1.2

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Johan Beisser wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Johan Beisser wrote: Hi Johan. Thanks for the answer. I've reduced my pf.conf on client and server side to: ext=rl0 int=rl1 nat on $ext from $int:network - $ext:0 nat on

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Simen Stavdal
and... do you have the routing table for some of the hosts that can/cannot ping each other? Are there other gateways out of the networks, other than the openvpn box? S. Alessandro Baggi wrote: Johan Beisser wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Alessandro Baggi

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Simen Stavdal wrote: and... do you have the routing table for some of the hosts that can/cannot ping each other? Are there other gateways out of the networks, other than the openvpn box? S. I'm trying openvpn in my internal network:

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Simen Stavdal wrote: Hello Alessandro, Can you see any of the traffic on the inside LAN on the client side with tcpdump? I.e set tcpdump on $int with tcpdump -i nameofinternalinterface proto icmp and then try to ping from a server? Silly suggestion, but What about client side

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:08 -0500 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: provided that the controller is configured not to write-back cache, the drives are configured not to write-back cache, the FS is mounted 'sync'. No softupdates. Let's not divert this to something tangential and

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Gilles Chehade
On a completely unrelated note, I'm glad I came up with rules to redirect all smtpd related mails to my phone ... smart idea ... :-) Gilles On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:20:24AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:08 -0500 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: provided that

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Simen Stavdal
Hello Alessandro, Can you see any of the traffic on the inside LAN on the client side with tcpdump? I.e set tcpdump on $int with tcpdump -i nameofinternalinterface proto icmp and then try to ping from a server? Silly suggestion, but What about client side firewalls? Do they allow to be

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread Jean-Francois
Le lundi 25 janvier 2010 18:55:21, vous avez icrit : 2010/1/25 Markus Hennecke markus-henne...@markus-hennecke.de: jean-francois wrote: Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or a C program ? man speaker(4), if you are on i386 or amd64.

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread Julian Leyh
Am 24.01.10 01:32, schrieb jean-francois: Hi list, Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or a C program ? I started to write a little C program thinking there was a beep() functione, but it seems not Regards. how about midiplay(1)?

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:20 AM, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:08 -0500 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: There is no certainty. There is only belief. Tracing this discussion back to it's origins earlier this month, I see the problem as arising from a statement made by a

Re: OpenVPN problem.

2010-01-25 Thread Simen Stavdal
Ciao Alessandro, So, from the server, the client gets allocated 10.0.8.5/32 (btw, probably a minor thing, but in your server conf file, you have a mismatch on the host/mask when you push the routes- it reads push route 10.1.1.1 255.255.0.0 while it should read 10.1.0.0) (doesn't seem to

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
Just to remind: rename() causes the link named from to be renamed as to. If to exists, it is first removed. Both from and to must be of the same type (that is, both directories or both non-directories), and must reside on the same file system. rename() guarantees that if

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
What are you running? Exchange?? Redundancy is nice, but email back-ups are futile. Backups might save from most, but not all lost messages after a crash. Anyway, before we divert to a some other topic, someone please answer the question for the simplest case - we've already decided that every

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
You are positively ignorant. No need to regurgitate this all over again. Take your toy mail implementation and enjoy your hair. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 08:47:14PM +, nixlists wrote: What are you running? Exchange?? Redundancy is nice, but email back-ups are futile. Backups might save

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
wc -l the code and tell me again how that makes you feel. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 08:48:59PM +, nixlists wrote: Just to remind: rename() causes the link named from to be renamed as to. If to exists, it is first removed. Both from and to must be of the same type (that is,

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 09:02:47PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le lundi 25 janvier 2010 18:55:21, vous avez icrit : 2010/1/25 Markus Hennecke markus-henne...@markus-hennecke.de: jean-francois wrote: Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You are positively ignorant. No need to regurgitate this all over again. Take your toy mail implementation and enjoy your hair. You are still refusing to give a direct answer to a direct question. How's that not

E-MEDISYS 2010; Fez, Morocco, May 12-14, 2010

2010-01-25 Thread Med Salim BOUHLEL
Dear, Just a small reminder that the paper submission deadline of February 1 st, 2010 for the third International Conference E-MEDISYS10 is coming up. This conference supported by IEEE Morocco will be held from 12 to 14 May 2010 in Morocco. You can find more details in:

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:35:48PM -0500, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You are positively ignorant. No need to regurgitate this all over again. Take your toy mail implementation and enjoy your hair. You are still refusing to

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:35:48PM -0500, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You are positively ignorant. No need to regurgitate this all over again. Take

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 05:33:20PM -0500, nixlists wrote: | On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com | wrote: | On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:35:48PM -0500, nixlists wrote: | On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us | wrote: | You are

Re: Announcing: JigglyPuffBSD

2010-01-25 Thread Eric
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:46:16 +0300 Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 January 2010 c. 23:12:13 Eric wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:08 -0800 Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't there a fork just like a few years ago? Except they left Theo's name in the default

Re: make OpenBSD beep at start

2010-01-25 Thread ropers
2010/1/25 Julian Leyh jul...@vgai.de: Am 24.01.10 01:32, schrieb jean-francois: Hi list, Can someone give a hin on how to make the speaker to beep for example with a command or a C program ? I started to write a little C program thinking there was a beep() functione, but it seems not

using nat-to and divert-packet together

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Weber
Hi, I'm using the Jan 20 snapshot, although I got similar results using a snapshot from late October. I'm trying to use divert-packet to grab NAT'd packets, analyze them in a user-space program, and then put them back into the stack. Here is my pf.conf (with ext_if and divport defined

Re: Announcing: JigglyPuffBSD

2010-01-25 Thread Luca Corti
On 1/26/2010 12:14 AM, Eric wrote: How about BSHurd? Now, that's a really aBSHurd idea. ciao Luca

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Brad Tilley
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:32 -0800, Ben Calvert b...@flyingwalrus.net wrote: Tracing this discussion back to it's origins earlier this month, I see the problem as arising from a statement made by a Mathematician (DJB) about the infallibility of his software when used with certain filesystems.

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:32:10PM -0800, Ben Calvert said that the unnamed individual (with such great faith in his mail system that he uses gmail to correspond with us) is actually performing the valuable function of helping me compose interview questions to weed out undesirable job

Re: Announcing: JigglyPuffBSD

2010-01-25 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jason Dixon ja...@dixongroup.net wrote: I'm proud to announce the rebirth of JigglyPuffBSD. Catering to the distinguished *BSD user, JigglyPuffBSD aims to meet the demanding requirements of today's enterprise architectures. With support for a broad range of

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Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
Nobody debated his ability to write code. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Brad Tilley wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:32 -0800, Ben Calvert b...@flyingwalrus.net wrote: Tracing this discussion back to it's origins earlier this month, I see the problem as arising from a statement

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
I gave you the answer several times but I'll humor you and do it one more time. You can't trust one million lines of code between your application and the physical hardware to all be perfect and guarantee you anything more than best effort. That includes your hyperbole. Now you draw your

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0800 Ben Calvert b...@flyingwalrus.net wrote: On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:20 AM, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:08 -0500 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: There is no certainty. There is only belief. Tracing this discussion back

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:47 PM, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:32:10PM -0800, Ben Calvert said that the unnamed individual (with such great faith in his mail system that he uses gmail to correspond with us) is actually performing the valuable function of helping me

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Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Brad Tilley wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:32 -0800, Ben Calvert b...@flyingwalrus.net wrote: Tracing this discussion back to it's origins earlier this month, I see the problem as arising from a statement made by a Mathematician (DJB) about the infallibility of

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
On Jan 25, 2010, at 6:11 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0800 Ben Calvert b...@flyingwalrus.net wrote: On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:20 AM, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:34:08 -0500 nixlists nixmli...@gmail.com wrote: There is no certainty. There is only

Re: rename(2) man page

2010-01-25 Thread Corey
On 01/25/2010 04:33 PM, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Bret S. Lambertbret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:35:48PM -0500, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboomsl...@peereboom.us wrote: You are positively

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: I gave you the answer several times but I'll humor you and do it one more time. No, you didn't, see below. This thread started here: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=126435421227560w=2 After I replied to that message

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 22:33:20 nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:35:48PM -0500, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: You are positively ignorant. No need to regurgitate this all over again. Take your toy mail

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Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread nixlists
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:11 PM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.org wrote: DJB does great work and thinks about his code. Like every great programmer, DJB wants his code to be as correct as possible within the very well known bounding limitations (hardware, compilers, operating systems, file

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
On Jan 25, 2010, at 8:57 PM, nixlists wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: I gave you the answer several times but I'll humor you and do it one more time. No, you didn't, see below. yes, he did. you're confusing i didn't hear what i wanted to

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Bret S. Lambert
looming. I am trying to understand the technical issues, not You mean you're not just arguing because you have a burning need to be right on the intertruck due to personal issues? Color me surprised.

Re: rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

2010-01-25 Thread Ben Calvert
will you believe me if i restate your question and his answer? question: if i turn off the cache on the controller and the disk what is keeping rename from ensuring that the file is never lost answer: you can't actually know that the cache is shut off on the disk, so the question is moot.