Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Scott McEachern
On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't seem to ask anything on this list without parrots coming along picking on me. I think

how much last entries should exist?

2011-12-01 Thread [BG-Consulting] Elmar Bschorer
Hi list, my server just had a little crash. Currently running: OpenBSD 4.9 GENERIC#477 amd64 After reset I checked last and I found only 5 entries. I am wondering I this is normal? Shouldn't there be more entries? The last one is from Wed Nov 30 09:43 - 09:43 (00:00). Could someone plz tell me

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:05:05 +0100 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Nov 30 10:26:46, T. Valent wrote: sure will solve what you have understood to be my problem. But what really annoys me here is that I'm not taken seriously when I say this isn't an option. Why don't you just believe my

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread STeve Andre'
On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't seem to ask anything on this list without parrots coming along picking on me. I think

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:28 AM, John Tate j...@johntate.org wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=125312230626856w=2 I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread T. Valent
So: your machine has 32MB of Flash storage that holds the entire system. On boot, it all gets loaded as a RAMDISK. Right? Doesn't have to do with my question, but: more or less correct. It certainly sounds interesting. Out of curiosity: what do these system do? Are their routers? Rocket

Re: Packet filter log tools

2011-12-01 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:23:30PM +1100, John Tate wrote: What tools can you guys recommend for browsing through a pf log? GUI not needed, ideally, something a bit like webalizer that spits out HTML. If no such thing exists, perhaps I should make one, I am looking for a project. pf logs are

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2011 Dec 01 (Thu) at 09:44:25 +0100 (+0100), T. Valent wrote: : You have been told several times already: strip GENERIC down to what : will fit on your system. Start with things you definitely do not need : (sound? wifi?), then continue with the rest. If things break, put : the last thing that

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:09:25PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2011-11-29, Torsten Valentin valen...@4ss.de wrote: welcome to the ignore list of many developers. You aren't even following directions on how to hurt yourself properly without wasting people's time. I always found

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Benny Lofgren
On 2011-12-01 08.28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't seem to ask anything on this list without parrots coming along picking on me. I

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread T. Valent
@Gregory What he rather need is to boot GENERIC, then record dmesg, and strip the kernel down according to that dmesg. That is exactly what I've done and this led me to my first posting here, because it generally worked fine, but only to a certain extend. It didn't work completely. Something

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:08:38PM +0100, T. Valent wrote: @marc If you really want that, tell us how much you're prepared to spend, maybe someone would be willing to sell you time to solve that very specific problem since obviously, no OpenBSD developer wants to do it for free, as it's

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread T. Valent
Otto, thanks for your hint. Can we end this now? I thought I had initiated the end of this thread this morning by writing: I'm happy that some of you took the time and tried to explain over and over again what you thought was best for me. I really appreciate the good will. But I have to

Re: pf and includes

2011-12-01 Thread Peter Hallin
On 2011-11-30 16:14, Guido Tschakert wrote: How about a definition.conf with all your (Name,IP-Adress)-Pairs which is included first in your pf.conf, so your vlan.confs only include the rules but no definitions. guido Thanks, this is probably the way to do it. Sometimes we move

Re: pf and includes

2011-12-01 Thread Peter Hallin
On 2011-11-30 20:20, Adriaan wrote: You could use a Makefile to concatenate a pf.conf from separate files. This can give more flexibility than provided by include : Thank you very much for your elaborate solution. To keep things a little less complex, I will probably go with includes and

Re: [5.0] pkg_add too many FTP connections

2011-12-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
if this goes via ftp-proxy(8), you can sometimes expect problems like this, because ftp-proxy does not correctly handle the SYNCH sequence required to abort connections mid-stream. I generally suggest using http for pkg_add -u anyway though, it is usually *way* faster. On 2011-11-30, Patrick

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Henning Brauer
* T. Valent tmp...@4ss.de [2011-12-01 10:19]: It certainly sounds interesting. Out of curiosity: what do these system do? Are their routers? Rocket launchers? These machines are used for measuring and controlling. (In German: Steuerungscomputer). Now come on. I got complaints about wasting

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Henning Brauer
* Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de [2011-12-01 13:21]: the extra cost for a flash card of a reasonable size, yes even hundreds of cases, can't be cheaper than the (not free) work time it takes you to build your strange images. err... that is pretty much the opposite of what I wanted to

sendmail(failed)

2011-12-01 Thread Wesley M.
Hi I upgraded my mailserver to OpenBSD 5.0 Now at startup i have : Starting Network Daemons : sshd sendmail(failed) inetd failed ? why ? Normal ? And in rc.local we have a script that execute postfix with the option set-permissions If i do : netstat -anf inet ; i can see that the box listen well

Re: problem making IPv6 address from rtadvd prefix

2011-12-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-11-30, Douglas Maus dm...@speakeasy.net wrote: Followup: (sorry for unconventional thread posting and the delay - learning OpenBSD is my very late night hobby so I'm not subscribed to the misc list) If you post from gmane's web interface, it will keep the references etc intact, which

Re: usb device causes system crash (ucomstart: null oxfer)

2011-12-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-11-30, Daniel Gracia lists.d...@electronicagracia.com wrote: At the very least you're seeing some errors. In my case, the USB/serial adapters -uticom, uftdi and uplcom- would fail without notice. Ports would open, but with no TX/RX. Detaching/reattaching won't bring them back to

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:44:25AM +0100, T. Valent wrote: So: your machine has 32MB of Flash storage that holds the entire system. On boot, it all gets loaded as a RAMDISK. Right? Doesn't have to do with my question, but: more or less correct. It certainly sounds interesting. Out of

Re: sendmail(failed)

2011-12-01 Thread Wesley M.
Change in startup procedure for Postfix and exim: The base OS has moved to using scripts in /etc/rc.d to start all daemons. The script for sendmail does not function fully for alternative MTAs (in particular it will display failed at startup, although the daemon will still be started, and

Re: sendmail(failed)

2011-12-01 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:09:47PM +0400, Wesley M. wrote: Change in startup procedure for Postfix and exim: The base OS has moved to using scripts in /etc/rc.d to start all daemons. The script for sendmail does not function fully for alternative MTAs (in particular it will display

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread T. Valent
It seems well established by now that there is no magic bullet for your problem, since it is a problem few if anyone has had to address before within the constraints you have described. This is a good summary for that quite long thread. Again, thanks to everybody! I really do appreciate all

Re: mplayer problems

2011-12-01 Thread Amit Kulkarni
even after latest kernel, userland, xenocara AND ports trees? please redirect ports stuff to ports@ in future On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Luis Useche use...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, Is anyone having problems lately with mplayer? After my last update of packages mplayer alternates

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:08:38 +0100 T. Valent wrote: Yeah, I know and I don't think that this is a problem with OpenBSD. However, I'm in an unusual situation not comparable to the standard user or developer. I have a very special demand. I'm asking if anybody can tell me anything about how to

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread John Tate
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who actually have a solution, but I can't seem to

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread David Coppa
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM, John Tate j...@johntate.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Rares Aioanei
On 12/01/2011 05:25 PM, John Tate wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachernsc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. OpenBSD and Debian Linux. I love OpenBSD,

Re: sendmail(failed)

2011-12-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-12-01, Wesley M. open...@e-solutions.re wrote: Hi I upgraded my mailserver to OpenBSD 5.0 Now at startup i have : Starting Network Daemons : sshd sendmail(failed) inetd failed ? why ? Normal ? You missed following some steps in the upgrade guide.

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Jan Stary
On Dec 02 02:25:06, John Tate wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. OpenBSD and Debian Linux. I love OpenBSD, I'm a bit weird because I use bash. I can put up with being made fun of. At 13

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Andres Genovez
2011/12/1 John Tate j...@johntate.org On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Rares Aioanei
On 12/01/2011 05:39 PM, David Coppa wrote: See the subject: Narcicism And, btw, the correct spelling is Narcissism: as a guru, this is something you should already have known ;) ciao, David As a citizen of an English-speaking country AND a guru, John, you should at least know how to spell.

Re: bad link for bind's named server patch for Openbsd 5.0 -stable

2011-12-01 Thread Ralph W Siegler
Daniel Ouellet daniel at presscom.net writes: What you are looking at here: http://www.openbsd.org/errata50.html May not have replicated everywhere yet. Give it a day or two. Daniel In reply to your first post, this is on CA site: 001: RELIABILITY FIX: November 30, 2011 All

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 02:25:06AM +1100, John Tate wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Johan Beisser
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Rares Aioanei bsdlis...@gmail.com wrote: As a citizen of an English-speaking country AND a guru, John, you should at least know how to spell. David's right, you know. You don't need to know how to spell. People have spell checkers these days.

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Mark Romer
Man, youth is really wasted on the young. On Dec 1, 2011 11:04 AM, Rares Aioanei bsdlis...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/01/2011 05:39 PM, David Coppa wrote: See the subject: Narcicism And, btw, the correct spelling is Narcissism: as a guru, this is something you should already have known ;)

[SOLVED] Re: ssh vpn

2011-12-01 Thread Manuel Giraud
Manuel Giraud man...@ledu-giraud.fr writes: Hi, I've set up an openssh based vpn as described in ssh(1). Now, I want to send all my traffic through this pipe. So I've put the following nat rules on both ends of the pipe: match out on em0 from tun0:network nat-to (em0) and modified

Re: how to find dependencies when building a new kernel

2011-12-01 Thread Jan Stary
On Dec 01 09:44:25, T. Valent wrote: Because if someone simply says this is impossible, it is only natural to ask why is that impossible?. Might be a question of culture. For me this doesn't sound natural. If I'm being asked a question and given (detailed?) circumstances, I'd try to

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread David Riley
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, John Tate wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. I am not talking about people who

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Sime Ramov
Hi, * John Tate j...@johntate.org [2011-12-02 02:25+1100]: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. I am the guru sort of guy, I know a hell of a lot but I'm still connecting it and in that sense

Re: how much last entries should exist?

2011-12-01 Thread Nick Holland
On 12/01/2011 03:23 AM, [BG-Consulting] Elmar Bschorer wrote: Hi list, my server just had a little crash. Currently running: OpenBSD 4.9 GENERIC#477 amd64 After reset I checked last and I found only 5 entries. I am wondering I this is normal? Shouldn't there be more entries? The last one is

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Chris Cappuccio
John Tate [j...@johntate.org] wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. Hi John, It's actually spelled narcissism. Chris

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Mehma Sarja
On 12/1/11 7:25 AM, John Tate wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru [snip] age, but at an older age I relearned it well. I am the guru sort of guy, I A guru is someone who knows stuff. Mehma

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Amit Kulkarni
I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru [snip] age, but at an older age I relearned it well. I am the guru sort of guy, I A guru is someone who knows stuff. and somebody who doesn't come crying or complaining. Gurus help other lesser mortals. What a

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Chris Cappuccio
John Tate [j...@johntate.org] wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. You also think facebook is narcissistic because...no negativity is allowed. http://johntate.org/node/29 Perhaps it's time for the aspiring

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:28:25AM -0800, Chris Cappuccio wrote: John Tate [j...@johntate.org] wrote: I think I've found a bug in the OpenBSD crowd. They bug the hell out of me and my little mistakes. You also think facebook is narcissistic because...no negativity is allowed.

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:39:24 +0100 David Coppa wrote: See the subject: Narcicism And, btw, the correct spelling is Narcissism: as a guru, this is something you should already have known ;) I prefer narsciscism ;^) Kc

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:49:23 -0500 Andres Genovez andresgeno...@gmail.com wrote: When you are a real Hacker, you don`t call yourself one, people do. I call myself a hacker. Others call me a reverse systems engineer, systems analyst programmer, network analyst, repurposing specialist,

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:37:44 + Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:39:24 +0100 David Coppa wrote: See the subject: Narcicism And, btw, the correct spelling is Narcissism: as a guru, this is something you should already have known ;) I prefer

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread patric conant
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:39:24 +0100 David Coppa wrote: See the subject: Narcicism And, btw, the correct spelling is Narcissism: as a guru, this is something you should already have known ;) I prefer narsciscism

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Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Scott McEachern
On 12/01/11 10:25, John Tate wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. OpenBSD and Debian Linux. I love OpenBSD, I'm a bit weird because I use bash. I can put up with being made fun of. At 13 I

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Brandon Weaver
...which is exactly the reason I don't post questions. I know that 95% of my questions I've thought of have been answered by a simple man page search, the other 5% are hacked together with Python. As far as being a hacker when people call you that, good lord that term has been bastardized. Any

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM, John Tate j...@johntate.org wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. ... At 13 I didn't just start learning Linux I started learning C++ as well. Are You sure? You wrote C++ Linux kernel code in 2000? Really? -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

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Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread David Riley
On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM, John Tate j...@johntate.org wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. ... At 13 I didn't just start learning Linux I started learning C++ as well. Are You sure? You wrote C++ Linux

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Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Benny Lofgren
On 2011-12-01 16.25, John Tate wrote: I'm 24 years old. I was a Linux hacker since I was 13. I am a bit of a guru and do my own Kerberos and such on an all BSD/Linux network. OpenBSD and Debian Linux. I love OpenBSD, I'm a bit weird because I use bash. I can put up with being made fun of. At

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Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Eric Oyen
like any other population, we have our parrots, non-thinkers, OCD, Bi-polar, stupid or the otherwise normal. we also have more than a few extremely intelligent people. one thing I have noticed (because I also suffer from it) is that more intelligent you are, the worse your interpersonal skills

Re: Narcicism?

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I have known geniuses who were computer illiterate. On Dec 1, 2011 5:58 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: like any other population, we have our parrots, non-thinkers, OCD, Bi-polar, stupid or the otherwise normal. we also have more than a few extremely intelligent people. one thing

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Re: Narcicism?

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On 12/1/11, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: like any other population, we have our parrots, non-thinkers, OCD, Bi-polar, stupid or the otherwise normal. we also have more than a few extremely intelligent people. one thing I have noticed (because I also suffer from it) is that more

Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Brandon Weaver
so remind me again why we're catering to NLB's and Trolls? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/1/11, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: like any other population, we have our parrots, non-thinkers, OCD, Bi-polar, stupid or the otherwise normal.

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Re: Narcicism?

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Re: Narcicism?

2011-12-01 Thread Eric
Thanks for the laugh, John. I made a meme for you: http://memegenerator.net/instance/11838771 On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, John Tate wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca wrote: On 12/01/11 02:28, John Tate wrote: I think I've found a bug in the

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Re: Narcicism?

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