Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Frank Beuth
"Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email discussion needs better or alternative collaborative tooling "to bring in new contributors and maintain and sustain Linux in the future," says Sarah Novotny, Microsoft's representative on the Linux Foundation board. Said tooling

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Greg Thomas
"... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty high..." Wow. Life's rough. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:31 AM Frank Beuth wrote: > "Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email >

Re: email attachments in firefox

2020-08-26 Thread Oriol Demaria
Well I think if this would be the case maybe chromium should be in the core OS image not in ports or Firefox removed from ports, right? But I don't think is the case. Chromium might have better architecture regarding security, but for many privacy is as important as security or maybe even more

fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Mihai Popescu
Hello, Out of curiosity, what is fido library used for since it changes _a lot_ breaking sync between base and ports in snapshots? Thanks

Re: fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Mihai Popescu
Obviously I am not complaining. Just asked. Obviously I found you in the bad mood. I'm in bad mood too, but not because bad sync of snapshots. Again, just asking. Thank you On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 19:33 Theo de Raadt wrote: > You are obviously complaining about ABI mismatch between base and

Re: Installing sets from install67.fs on USB stick

2020-08-26 Thread Maurice McCarthy
The installation ramdisk is deliberately small therefore not all devices are pre-created. You probably need to drop to a shell and # cd /dev # /dev/MAKEDEV sd2 Hopefully your 2nd usb device will be sd2. Check dmesg to be sure. Good luck

Installing sets from install67.fs on USB stick

2020-08-26 Thread Julian Smith
I've just run into a slightly confusing situation during an install using install67.fs on a USB stick, and wondered whether it might be worth adding something to http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html "Installation Guide " to clarify what to do. I was installing onto a second 32 GB USB stick on a

Re: Installing sets from install67.fs on USB stick

2020-08-26 Thread Maurice McCarthy
I'm talking shite. Ignore all.

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Text-only was great in 1985. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Frank Beuth" To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:28:50 AM Subject: Microsoft's war on plain text

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Ian Darwin
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 02:37:24AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote: > "... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his > email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty > high..." > > Wow. Life's rough. Surely easier than RTFMing to find out how to send

Re: fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mihai, besides, while it is often useful to bear with newbies, a user who is no longer a bloody beginner at using computers can be expected to type simple commands without asking for help, e.g. $ cd /usr/src/ $ find . -name 'Makefile*' -exec grep lfido {} \; -print LDADD+= -lfido2

Re: fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
You are obviously complaining about ABI mismatch between base and ports, when using in -current snapshots. Let me be honest. Complaining about that is immature. It is 100% FAQ and expected behaviour for following snapshots. People who use snapshots are expected to accept the behaviour, and

Re: fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
I am not in a bad mood. I am calling out abuse of this mailing list. So OpenBSD change ABI often during the development process. This is documented all over the place, it is one of the major things this project is known for. If each time an ABI change happens, it results in a bunch of people

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread James Huddle
She never really says how old her "partner" is. Perhaps he is a developer who has literally "...grown up in the last five or ten years..." On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Rafael Possamai wrote: > >- Original message - > >From: Greg Thomas > > > >"... he had to set up an entirely new

Re: routing ipv6 over wireguard

2020-08-26 Thread Alarig Le Lay
Hi, On Tue 25 Aug 2020 15:27:27 GMT, Aisha Tammy wrote: > (peer A)$ tcpdump -inet6 -i vio0 icmp6 > 15:23:04.918459 fe80::fc00:2ff:feee:5248 > ff02::1:ff42:6: icmp6: > neighbor sol: who has 2001:19f0:5:5cd5::6942:6 > > (a lot of such lines) It seems that you have been provided a *connected* /64,

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 8/26/20 3:08 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Text-only was great in 1985. >> >> > > And it's still pretty badass in 2020. > I really love the way company networks are brought down by a little > helpful Javascript in an HTML email. I

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen
> > “It is a fairly specific workflow that is a challenge for some newer > developers to engage with. As an example, my partner submitted a patch to > OpenBSD a few weeks ago, and he had to set up an entirely new mail client > which didn’t mangle his email message to HTML-ise or do other

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:47:24PM +0200, Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > > If they don't, why not change providers? > > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > > for next to nearly free. > > That is not

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Aaron Mason
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM Chris Bennett wrote: > > I was recently told by a youngster that I was a total idiot for working > my way through the new CSS to understand it well. I needed to go > straight over to some Framework that assumes I am stupid, which I > would be if I didn't take the

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Sean Kamath
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:08, Chris Bennett > wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > If they don't, why not change providers? > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > for next to nearly free. I encourage everyone to do this, but

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 2020-W35-3 08:28 +, Frank Beuth wrote: "Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email discussion needs better or alternative collaborative tooling "to bring in new contributors and maintain and sustain Linux in the future," says Sarah Novotny, Microsoft's representative

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Luke A. Call
On 08-26 21:47, Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > > If they don't, why not change providers? > > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > > for next to nearly free. > > That is not as easy as it was, mainly

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Pierre-Philipp Braun
Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. If they don't, why not change providers? It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server for next to nearly free. That is not as easy as it was, mainly because of IP reputation. If you have your own MX and

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Umgeher Torgersen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 04:17:48PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > On 8/26/20 3:08 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Text-only was great in 1985. > >> > >> > > > > And it's still pretty badass in 2020. > > I really love the way company

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Text-only was great in 1985. > > And it's still pretty badass in 2020. I really love the way company networks are brought down by a little helpful Javascript in an HTML email. Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:36 AM Frank Beuth wrote: > “It is a fairly specific workflow that is a challenge for some newer > developers to engage with. As an example, my partner submitted a patch > to OpenBSD a few weeks ago, and he had to set up an entirely new mail > client which didn’t mangle

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
>- Original message - >From: Greg Thomas > >"... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his >email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty >high..." > >Wow. Life's rough. Most desktop/web email clients I've ever used have plain-text mode