Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Nick Holland
On 7/18/23 13:26, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote: Dear colleagues, About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is that incompetent people

Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread lain.
90% of the developers make bad code, yes. Either because of their lack of experience, their choice of tools, or because of requirements set by managers who just follow the latest trends without having any knowledge of programming themselves. The remaining 10% are highly skilled developers

Re: Allwinner D1 riscv64 mango pi SBC

2023-07-18 Thread deich...@placebonol.com
I'm going to reach out to a few folks who I see are doing riscv64 specific development. I realize they might not want to take on yet another h/w design. g.day On July 18, 2023 3:14:18 PM MDT, Mike Larkin wrote: >On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 02:02:45PM -0600, deich...@placebonol.com wrote: >> Hi

Re: Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Philipp Buehler
Am 18.07.2023 19:26 schrieb Ibsen S Ripsbusker: Dear colleagues, About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is that incompetent

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread chohag
Is it something in the water? Mike Larkin writes: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 08:09:11PM +0100, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > > This is completely unrelated to the question we asked. Please I mentioned that. Twice. Beginning with the very first words: > > Not really. But. Then summarising with: > >

Re: xenodm + Xvfb + x11vnc = virtual display for vmm(4) OpenBSD guests

2023-07-18 Thread Morgan Aldridge
On On 2023-07-18, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2023-07-18, Morgan Aldridge wrote: > > I'm maintaining an OpenBSD X11 window manager (WM) port, but try to > > keep my primary workstation on -stable, so do most of my development > > there and test in Xephyr. I test & submit patches from an OpenBSD

Re: xenodm + Xvfb + x11vnc = virtual display for vmm(4) OpenBSD guests

2023-07-18 Thread misc
Thanks, will test. Will be useful. On 7/18/23 20:09, Morgan Aldridge wrote: I'm maintaining an OpenBSD X11 window manager (WM) port, but try to keep my primary workstation on -stable, so do most of my development there and test in Xephyr. I test & submit patches from an OpenBSD -current VM

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Just a personal anecdote that might be worth something. On both my AMD chipsets motherboards ( x570/x670E Proart Wifi ) ; I was getting microstutters and odd hangs occasionally for the last year or so, reboots would often power off rather than power cycle - which I mostly wrote off as odditiy

Re: xenodm + Xvfb + x11vnc = virtual display for vmm(4) OpenBSD guests

2023-07-18 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 04:09:21PM -0400, Morgan Aldridge wrote: > I'm maintaining an OpenBSD X11 window manager (WM) port, but try to > keep my primary workstation on -stable, so do most of my development > there and test in Xephyr. I test & submit patches from an OpenBSD > -current VM running

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 01:19:14PM -0700, Kastus Shchuka wrote: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 08:09:11PM +0100, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > > Not really. But. > > > > I have an APU2 which runs two VMs that do practically nothing, > > although the box itself is used actively. The VMs consistently, and > >

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Kastus Shchuka
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 08:09:11PM +0100, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > Not really. But. > > I have an APU2 which runs two VMs that do practically nothing, > although the box itself is used actively. The VMs consistently, and > without warning, hang in a way which matches the description "nothing >

Re: Allwinner D1 riscv64 mango pi SBC

2023-07-18 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 02:02:45PM -0600, deich...@placebonol.com wrote: > Hi Mike > > I've volunteered to coordinate a purchase of Mango Pi to get them into > OpenBSD developers working on riscv64 platform. > > It has been awhile but I used to facilitate getting h/w into OpenBSD > developers

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 08:09:11PM +0100, cho...@jtan.com wrote: This is completely unrelated to the question we asked. Please don't hijack the thread. > Not really. But. > > I have an APU2 which runs two VMs that do practically nothing, > although the box itself is used actively. The VMs

Re: PF rate limiting options valid for UDP?

2023-07-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-07-18, mabi wrote: > Hello, > > From the following documentation, I am trying to figure out which PF tracking > options are also valid for UDP but unfortunately it is not quite clear to me: > > https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf.5#Stateful_Tracking_Options > > My goal would be to do add

Re: xenodm + Xvfb + x11vnc = virtual display for vmm(4) OpenBSD guests

2023-07-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-07-18, Morgan Aldridge wrote: > I'm maintaining an OpenBSD X11 window manager (WM) port, but try to > keep my primary workstation on -stable, so do most of my development > there and test in Xephyr. I test & submit patches from an OpenBSD > -current VM running under vmm(4), but since

xenodm + Xvfb + x11vnc = virtual display for vmm(4) OpenBSD guests

2023-07-18 Thread Morgan Aldridge
I'm maintaining an OpenBSD X11 window manager (WM) port, but try to keep my primary workstation on -stable, so do most of my development there and test in Xephyr. I test & submit patches from an OpenBSD -current VM running under vmm(4), but since vmm(4) doesn't emulate video hardware, I haven't

Re: Allwinner D1 riscv64 mango pi SBC

2023-07-18 Thread deich...@placebonol.com
Hi Mike I've volunteered to coordinate a purchase of Mango Pi to get them into OpenBSD developers working on riscv64 platform. It has been awhile but I used to facilitate getting h/w into OpenBSD developers hands on a semi-regular basis. diana On July 16, 2023 1:13:02 PM MDT, "Peter J.

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread chohag
Not really. But. I have an APU2 which runs two VMs that do practically nothing, although the box itself is used actively. The VMs consistently, and without warning, hang in a way which matches the description "nothing new can be execed" although I recall being able to log in on the console. I

Re: Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 09:43:51AM +0100, Laurence Tratt wrote: > A small number of us with AMD Ryzen 9 (i.e. chips in the 7x000 range) > machines have been experiencing regular (often daily), or semi-regular > hangs, but without any obvious cause. > > What we don't know is if we're the unlucky

Concise passage in OpenBSD documentation about motivation

2023-07-18 Thread Ibsen S Ripsbusker
Dear colleagues, About 20 years ago I read in some OpenBSD documentation, likely the installation instructions, that we want people to copy our OpenBSD even if to use it even in proprietary products, because the alternative is that incompetent people write their own software instead of copying

PF rate limiting options valid for UDP?

2023-07-18 Thread mabi
Hello, >From the following documentation, I am trying to figure out which PF tracking >options are also valid for UDP but unfortunately it is not quite clear to me: https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf.5#Stateful_Tracking_Options My goal would be to do add rate limiting options to a PF UDP pass

Re: anything like top but for USB?

2023-07-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-07-16, Hannu Vuolasaho wrote: > Is there a tool to show statististics of USB devices? Like how much > there is free bandwidth, which endpoints are hogging bandwidth and so > on? You might get some parts of the information you want from wireshark, though nothing as simple as a top-like

Ryzen 9 (7x000) users: do you experience hangs?

2023-07-18 Thread Laurence Tratt
A small number of us with AMD Ryzen 9 (i.e. chips in the 7x000 range) machines have been experiencing regular (often daily), or semi-regular hangs, but without any obvious cause. What we don't know is if we're the unlucky few, or whether this might be a wider issue. So, to see if there is some