happy birthday theo de raadt
hey theo, wish you a very happy birthday. hope you have an interesting year ahead. and hope everybody out here "only" wish theo instead of also going off at a tangent and creating a mess. -mayuresh
CHERI leads to Morello
Just a note, in case this has missed discussion out here (didn't find any references on the mailing list via Google search). Some of you might be aware of the CHERI project [1] to enhance security of computer systems from the hardware level up through the software stack. They had moved away from MIPS to ARM which lead to the creation of the Morello program [2]. Morello boards are available [3] upon request. Best regards, ~Mayuresh 1. https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/ 2. https://www.arm.com/architecture/cpu/morello 3. https://www.dsbd.tech/get-involved/morello-board-request/
Re: happy birthday theo
it is exciting because we all love you and respect you. also, it "is" a release day; the 54th iteration of theo de raadt. ;) cheers. -mayuresh > From owner-misc+m193...@openbsd.org Fri May 20 03:38:08 2022 > From: "Theo de Raadt" > To: stati...@cryptolab.net > cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: happy birthday theo > Comments: In-reply-to stati...@cryptolab.net >message dated "Thu, 19 May 2022 17:14:41 +0200." > > Thank you all, but I don't understand why this is so exciting. > > I mean, it isn't a release day! > > > > stati...@cryptolab.net wrote: > > > I will join in as well: Happy birthday, Theo! > > And thank you for all the good work on this sublime OS... > > > > Cheers, > > Oddmund > > > > > > Le 19/05/2022 à 16:33, Amit Kulkarni a écrit : > > > Happy Birthday to Theo! > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:46 AM Brodey Dover > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Happy Birthday Theo! > > >> > > >> On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 02:51, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > >> > > >>> here's wishing theo deraadt a very happy birthday. > > >>> wish you many more years of producing great software and being > > >>> cantankerous. :p > > >>> have a great day today and an amazing year ahead. > > >>> -mayuresh > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > >
happy birthday theo
here's wishing theo deraadt a very happy birthday. wish you many more years of producing great software and being cantankerous. :p have a great day today and an amazing year ahead. -mayuresh
it's that time of the year
it's theo deraadt's birthday on the 19th. please remember to wish him. and after you've done so, stop blabbering around, and just shut-up and hack. ;) -mayuresh
why the c99 mandate?
i am not a c hotshot, so pardon my ignorance. i read that all new code under openbsd has to be c99. may i know what's so special about c99 over c89 which has been under heavy use for so long? also, does the mandate hold true for modifications to old (c89) code? thank you.
16gb nvme (optane) : install target : supported?
is installation to a 16gb optane disk (built-in to my laptop) supported? currently running ubuntu 18.04 and it runs really well off the optane. even gives me an additional 1 hour of battery usage.
documentation for building a new package?
what do i need to read regarding steps and procedure for building a new package and having it included in the openbsd repository?
6.5 : console font : no spleen?
i thought "spleen" was made the new default console font under 6.5+, it doesn't look like it's there on my fresh install under amd64?
openbsd : foundation : donation : annual : automatic : any method?
not currently, but when i work with openbsd, i work at the text-console exclusively. i do use the web occasionally, via "lynx". i hate the 'pui' and hence graphical web browsers. i prefer to make annual donations to the openbsd foundation, typically 1st april. is there any method to automate that process? i do not have any liking towards having to boot off a ubuntu live system and using it's 'pui' web browser even once a year to make a donation, though i have to do it for the moment.
carm : benefits to a budding programmer?
i stumbled upon the book "c: a reference manual, 5ed" by harbisson and steele. may i know what benefits it might impart to a budding c programmer?
article : undefined behavior and the purpose of C
Don't know if this has been discussed here before, but I found the following excerpt from the article at http://www.yodaiken.com/2018/12/31/undefined-behavior-and-the-purpose-of-c/ unnerving; ... often the writers of the ISO C Standard have thrown up their hands and labeled the effects of non-portable and potentially non-portable operations "undefined behavior" for which they provided only a fuzzy guideline. Unfortunately, the managers of the gcc and clang C compilers have increasingly ignored the guideline and ignored well-established well-understood practice, producing often bizarre and dangerous results ...
[ot] what happened to devio.us?
hi, what happened to the service at wolfman.devio.us? it's now been 15 days that i have been unable to log in. hope all is well.
package request
is there a process to adhere to while requesting creation of a new package?
swi-pl : tiny edition!
i don't have the skills nor the experience to accomplish this, so here. can there be a swi-pl-tiny edition of swi-prolog? as it stands today, swi-prolog has a whole lot of dependencies, as here; gmp, libexecinfo, pcre, ossp-uuid, jpeg, bzip2, lz, xz, libarchive, db, iodbc. it would be really helpful to have that tiny edition for a project i am working towards for and under openbsd. thanks.
Re: 6.2 : x : not working as expected
i expected the "m + c + t" to bring up another terminal, at the basic level. nothing happens, the keys just don't do anything other than allowing me to type text into the terminal which is brought up by default per xinitrc > From christ...@hiberno.net Sun Feb 18 04:46:28 2018 > From: "C." > To: Mayuresh Kathe > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: 6.2 : x : not working as expected > X-Virus-Status: Clean > > > --vswgxdlct7jiejdq > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > -> 2018-02-18 Sun 09:50, Mayuresh Kathe, : > > a startx starts up the graphical environment, but only partially > > works as expected. i have included the .cwmrc and .xinitrc and > > request help. > > What exactly did you expect? What actually happened? > > Not much to help you with without knowing what's wrong in the first > place. > > > -- cwmrc -- > > #fontname "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-= > 1" > >=20 > > bind CM-t terminal > > bind CM-l lock > > bind CM-s ssh > > bind CM-r restart > > bind CM-q quit > >=20 > > command top "xterm -e top" > >=20 > >=20 > > -- xinitrc -- > > #!/bin/sh > > userresources=3D$HOME/.Xresources > > usermodmap=3D$HOME/.Xmodmap > > sysresources=3D/etc/X11/xinit/.Xresources > > sysmodmap=3D/etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap > >=20 > > if [ -f $sysresources ]; then > > xrdb -merge $sysresources > > fi > >=20 > > if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then > > xmodmap $sysmodmap > > fi > >=20 > > if [ -f "$userresources" ]; then > > xrdb -merge "$userresources" > > fi > >=20 > > if [ -f "$usermodmap" ]; then > > xmodmap "$usermodmap" > > fi > >=20 > > id1=3D$HOME/.ssh/identity > > id2=3D$HOME/.ssh/id_dsa > > id3=3D$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa > > id4=3D$HOME/.ssh/id_ecdsa > > if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent ] && [ -f $id1 -o -f $id2 -o -f $id3 -o -f $id= > 4 ]; > > then > > eval `ssh-agent -s` > > ssh-add < /dev/null > > fi > >=20 > > xclock -digital -update 1 -geometry 200x30-1+1 & > > xconsole -iconic -geometry 400x60-1-1 & > > xterm -geometry 80x24+100+100 & > > xsetroot -solid black & > > synclient touchpadoff=3D1 & > > cwm || xterm > >=20 > > if [ "$SSH_AGENT_PID" ]; then > > ssh-add -D < /dev/null > > eval `ssh-agent -s -k` > > fi > > You might want to move the "cwm || xterm" line to the bottom of the > file. As far as I know the call to the WM should be the last one in > ~/.xinitrc. > > Kind regards > Christian > --=20 > [ Insert favourite quote here. ] > > --vswgxdlct7jiejdq > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE0ESRuuQ6Dud1TAfTmhR73W3euusFAlqJS2gACgkQmhR73W3e > uutW0g/+N/oLaNUcJVcPu2+UcnxGZn8j3v1nrgfTF2wDFeJ2GcXbiU/ifUfDDW25 > FJEkSbSi+UP0yNn6sPwL1SiQklncCM4J77Ju2t6cqMGOjULRdt3RViSxxa5NVuam > Av7Pv/vdG6IEhBRqiOFIWvoaqcf/q2kaDvf8Xw50uFvQUQgWIqxO8YX/b4V1GHHj > +7Cpyfx6jOF8gp7eis0cdXEa6P/ChbrZ4ZAEDX8W9U9g0ylh9iwquoC4jGC+EcVB > THEFSTRlKZqafiVOgRd4fgOVjeE8GNC6KLZo7q5DXLzYddODvr3XsxEl5LCkv3IG > COiJLY/YSuR0WfDS68QMVif1bLQ5GaYuuMCm0K8zwkk0QMGztqlTPmAPeMD27zwC > qe+K75My6uM90zjY+7rCJYs1p3P/p7ad1fxhtP5RZ88BguA1mwkc83npqzroqcf1 > mSHtQOWiWGXl8qcqeQ9gtSaXE+7+p6tEG/2Jt4z5zReMmbgAINrnKw4UIqrZlU8Y > YWK+QO3D7jshua1WyGkR0DydyOWr51jrfqGlvvFu1aeR2CgyrimsICo2IoDeSZFH > 4TRwjijw22KJwJcTHQ+usjCVVjY/cIX7RmajF1O7y7kQ77mLn55qzpZ74uuUtqoL > /phXBmjis7aPwrEajHXdA0q4u0jG/ONwAGNcL6eggzoLbqtSF0g= > =Pvq0 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > --vswgxdlct7jiejdq-- >
6.2 : x : not working as expected
a startx starts up the graphical environment, but only partially works as expected. i have included the .cwmrc and .xinitrc and request help. -- cwmrc -- #fontname "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1" bind CM-t terminal bind CM-l lock bind CM-s ssh bind CM-r restart bind CM-q quit command top "xterm -e top" -- xinitrc -- #!/bin/sh userresources=$HOME/.Xresources usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap sysresources=/etc/X11/xinit/.Xresources sysmodmap=/etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap if [ -f $sysresources ]; then xrdb -merge $sysresources fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then xmodmap $sysmodmap fi if [ -f "$userresources" ]; then xrdb -merge "$userresources" fi if [ -f "$usermodmap" ]; then xmodmap "$usermodmap" fi id1=$HOME/.ssh/identity id2=$HOME/.ssh/id_dsa id3=$HOME/.ssh/id_rsa id4=$HOME/.ssh/id_ecdsa if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent ] && [ -f $id1 -o -f $id2 -o -f $id3 -o -f $id4 ]; then eval `ssh-agent -s` ssh-add < /dev/null fi xclock -digital -update 1 -geometry 200x30-1+1 & xconsole -iconic -geometry 400x60-1-1 & xterm -geometry 80x24+100+100 & xsetroot -solid black & synclient touchpadoff=1 & cwm || xterm if [ "$SSH_AGENT_PID" ]; then ssh-add -D < /dev/null eval `ssh-agent -s -k` fi thanks.
thanks to solene, but moving away from zenlisp
have been informed by the developer of zenlisp that it's not going to be supported any further. thanks solene for you efforts. i think i'll let of the excuses and start (re)learning c89, and results will follow. :)
zenlisp : requesting a package
i can't do it myself, hence this email. would someone please create a package for zenlisp (http://www.t3x.org/files/zenlisp.zip)? thanks.
not insecure, rather unsecured.
i just installed 6.0 amd64 and rebooted the machine after creating /etc/hostname.iwn0. the boot script(s) issued a warining related to the permissions on the above file. they mentioned "hostname.iwn0 is insecure, fixing it". that word should not be insecure, but should be "unsecured". after all, "insecure is a feeling, while unsecured is a _state_". -mayuresh
Re: [mot] serious about clang/llvm?
> From dera...@openbsd.org Fri Oct 23 09:23:36 2015 > From: Theo de Raadt > To: Raul Miller > cc: Mayuresh Kathe , > OpenBSD general usage list > Subject: Re: [mot] serious about clang/llvm? > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Daniel Bolgheroni > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 04:43:50AM -0400, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > >> i had heard rumours about the openbsd core team having a part of openbsd > > >> built using 'pcc', is it true? if yes, did that effort not produce > > >> desirable > > >> results? > > > > > > There are more things to LLVM/clang than its complexity and the fact > > > that it's written in C++. GCC is also pretty complex. For a better > > > clarification, check this: > > > > > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=137530560232232&w=2 > > > > That doesn't really answer any questions about pcc though... > > those were hopes and dreams. not everything pans out. > > > hmnn, is it because the openbsd team doesn't have someone to work on bringing 'pcc' up to openbsd's expectations? if someone came along to work exclusively on 'pcc' for openbsd, would the team reconsider using 'pcc' as the default compiler suite?
[mot] serious about clang/llvm?
i have been reading up online news about the core team considering a move from 'gcc' to "clang/llvm". is it really true? wouldn't that add a whole lot of complexity to the base system? isn't clang/llvm written in c++11? wouldn't 'pcc' be a better alternative? especially because (i think) openbsd is striving to deliver a compact base install with as small a disk footprint as possible! i had heard rumours about the openbsd core team having a part of openbsd built using 'pcc', is it true? if yes, did that effort not produce desirable results? -mayuresh
openbsd : mailx users : how-to include previous mail text (only)?
hello, i have been trying to fix the problem of mailx including the entire header-set when issuing a tilde + m in a reply to include only the previous emails body text (content). one of the docs suggested using tilde + p, but dang, it didn't work for me during tests executed just now. if anyone here uses mailx under openbsd regularly, can they please advise? thanks.
apology about my email screw-up ...
i am using mailx under openbsd, and instead of using the said combination of tilde + p, i used tilde + m while attempting to include original messages in my replies. i apologize for the screw-up.
Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations?
From owner-misc+m143...@openbsd.org Sun Oct 26 22:22:57 2014 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results: wolfman.devio.us (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=GC1Vko0XAF6MuhMIbP8y5QLmaRAvLR5H0N6fPxvMr4M=; b=i/jfX6mzyrvK45i7yXEvlqGgLlLU5r31gpaARg1avnJcviDDmRMjJV9qEp0cbZZsmX 4veHMISAhNAM2ABChH5m84wSVqkmAZxmffl8a3Xj7fnWDSWboSWvPtWpoZwVp6FKYT3a 6v1XuIn+WMkdTKjTwb9jSYRzg88HnkrkGxlQMAuSY5uB6MqsO0jqGLyxuO604UgKnfdw cFrZfPjyAiiHt5VVO/7YMRlWzq/6GAyCFRyA9LcSv170KPnNIi5dPqLASNGrwvVqXUsZ dW0kTF8qxmqnJxeYYxm0BH4s7KPMZ8+IvN1zA9RcjXnmIGtEEi94pCR5nbj9OwwcG3xJ g4dw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.185.139 with SMTP id j133mr16754802oif.25.1414376481358; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:21:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <20141027005634.3416a1b5...@wolfman.devio.us> X-Google-Sender-Auth: _qqD-ym4zFJb3ZiF5l9BkvwN5DM Subject: Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Schr=C3=B6der?= To: OpenBSD general usage list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 List-Help: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=help> List-ID: List-Owner: <mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org> List-Post: <mailto:misc@openbsd.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=sub%20misc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=unsub%20misc> X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org Precedence: list Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org 2014-10-27 1:56 GMT+01:00 Mayuresh Kathe : > if the intended application actually requires larger memory to be > accessible, would it be better to go for a non-x86-64 64-bit hardware? 256TB (2^48) should be good enough till 2020. it is for a lot of records (data-sets) to held in memory instead of approaching the disk every time that data is requested. the use-case is primarily for financial system, but, will also hold 'gis' data going forward. the owner of the system isn't rich enough to afford an 'ibm' mainframe, hence a unix based system written in c89 under openbsd. i am just the adviser/consultant. :)
Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations?
From owner-misc+m143...@openbsd.org Sun Oct 26 22:06:49 2014 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results: wolfman.devio.us (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sEri+l1iSWKQ4TcoPVtDy6sxUagGso7gqORGN8Zm42s=; b=de/KKfiBVqLr0Xrl0wdQIe8ew6yV/WbS8iquSLlJN2lioNTEgheHjVxvbc4EJg43po pfHyhEguTOzpDxNKC9sDADQ92AWUaCtAhvQ3mrgl51snD5br6nBFBu2hqg+ulxoSf9tt NxQW1ZDYAAhXKx3NFpm6e5ftd3dTUFrl6KRT63a91su2fYu+pjykyPak0wvkb74cPJcM Vz1rfF4hVBIf5w6FgOn2HJVRWR2RlhM9J1MchN6D3z6hISmmpcNmPBI9tou8gLR4VrGP +HqLIpp3D2H118T00VFkyQ3R2ZFISqA1XBkdh/f/0qNdiRg785BETz5W7sXlccxMejJX wRZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.136.169 with SMTP id s41mr8262068ioi.36.1414375526232; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <20141027005944.b2fb81b5...@wolfman.devio.us> Subject: Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations? From: Philip Guenther To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: OpenBSD misc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 List-Help: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=help> List-ID: List-Owner: <mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org> List-Post: <mailto:misc@openbsd.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=sub%20misc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=unsub%20misc> X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org Precedence: list Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: ... > thanks for the details, but, since i am nowhere close to being a > systems programmer, would like to know if there's any chance such > support might be added in, in the near future? You're asking whether in the near future we'll add support for amd64 machines with 2^64 bytes of memory, machines which don't even exist? Nope, not in the near future. Philip Guenther apologies for being such a spaaz. i just missed the point that the currently available amd64 hardware itself doesn't support 2^64 bytes of memory. :) thanks for responding.
Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations?
From guent...@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 17:01:26 2014 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results: wolfman.devio.us (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Y1DSnnU9Wt7FwAio1jfk5gZlL2jKuJHPCCViFatjQ70=; b=QGMPBl8DVLa7kSfBRI1pTbf0edQnJ8VAwk3s3vDKeXKBR9LTLzJ63504oLMcqdVDYy aC9ABaVEoT+K3LE31Gh1aJs5xIcfUgfznIWB3jgm8AzBXtsWET6eN5M0qDsuf8l9vy8j WoPgIQs1rag8xEALXfc0TgBS6lu6EYEPNxQJ6+gepqkhJkr/FZpPsBaz1DKJ7Yusk6Ip Hr/6QTjDnha2DAPeIEle7bpCYBnpQw5lFIYW1B/EhpAGYQnqLHl40NyQFCZwN1ohV4Nj Xa5t/cNwJwDLte70c+aVrpc+FA8TbzxJu1AdwoNvNkXISfb4R9c3ZUG1+4LekbHWisjL LBXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.129 with SMTP id d1mr18706558ioj.37.1414357262671; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:01:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <20141026190245.b09d21b5...@wolfman.devio.us> Subject: Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations? From: Philip Guenther To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: OpenBSD misc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > 64-bit supposedly supports upto 16 exabytes of memory ('ram'). > would such large capacities actually be possible to ue with > openbsd for amd64 architecture? > use-case: working with large in-memory storage for financial applications. Currently, in the amd64 pmap we only allocate a single PML4 slot for the 'direct' map, limiting the system to 512GB of physical memory. Multiplying that by a factor of 4 or even 64 would be easy, but lacking someone actually planning to *use and test* that it just hasn't been seen as worth the effort to do, verify the change in kva layout doesn't break some hidden assumption, etc. (IIRC, dlg@ did this once just to get a dmesg from a 2TB machine going to other, non-OpenBSD use.) There's an upper limit to that growth: there's only 256 PML4 slots for kva, from which this comes, so at some point the kva remaining for normal use and management would shrink too much and the whole pmap would need to be rethought... Philip Guenther thanks for the details, but, since i am nowhere close to being a systems programmer, would like to know if there's any chance such support might be added in, in the near future? thanks.
Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations?
From owner-misc+m143...@openbsd.org Sun Oct 26 15:47:12 2014 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results: wolfman.devio.us (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=g+b9WM1CHoZgRIbDTtcEW+4ffYsNrMcqe+SrsRYpK/8=; b=hMD+OY1qyIjx4CP//oXSjRlmPc2Z+rpmcBDINqlN9i6n9RHvbamV8lb3PmP9eWiWd7 nt1L2gydz/BZtfzWnqgYvnCGfqA9us8DBYyAltXbol2zvWwdi+yfcqYeV0PWnrzcRhV2 YS/He3hh98UzS5hvVK1GiBGUIX0MFoYGjVTXyIiFwxN8dLf2pSPb/fJHm7O0LmkD9sP2 3/NUjbLECwtjCIm05fq9HWzajbYWoPWboWxEqWVqwzGB1KARPA51dpWPt4ZymKKkPZUe WG54UyeW3yIqfpB1ESYmdzVh8MzY1ORC72htySEaJArIsOUEOxvm5OdfnYRgmJLHSUUe ZdYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.33.138 with SMTP id r10mr2529167obi.67.1414352746570; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <20141026190245.b09d21b5...@wolfman.devio.us> X-Google-Sender-Auth: IKmvhqt48rk7l4iDtc9vhUAcBew Subject: Re: 64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Schr=C3=B6der?= To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: misc@openbsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 List-Help: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=help> List-ID: List-Owner: <mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org> List-Post: <mailto:misc@openbsd.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=sub%20misc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majord...@openbsd.org?body=unsub%20misc> X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org Precedence: list Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org 2014-10-26 20:02 GMT+01:00 Mayuresh Kathe : > 64-bit supposedly supports upto 16 exabytes of memory ('ram'). Current hardware supports "only" 2^48... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Physical_address_space_details Best Martin if the intended application actually requires larger memory to be accessible, would it be better to go for a non-x86-64 64-bit hardware? if yes, could you please recommend something easily available? and yes, i would really prefer it being supported by openbsd. thanks.
64-bit amd64 : actual memory limitations?
64-bit supposedly supports upto 16 exabytes of memory ('ram'). would such large capacities actually be possible to ue with openbsd for amd64 architecture? use-case: working with large in-memory storage for financial applications. thanks.
erlang : manpages : inaccessible
i am running 5.4 and have installed erlang using pkg_add. works well, just can't access the man pages. have added the following line to /etc/man.conf erlang/usr/local/lib/erlang/man/ am sure about either having done something wrong or missed a step somewhere. can i be helped? thanks.
ada95 : gnat 4.6 : compile time warnings
hello, i was fiddling around with ada95 under openbsd 5.4 using gnat-4.6. i created a sample program as below. with Ada.Text_IO; use Ada.Text_IO; procedure Hello is -- no variables required begin Put_Line ("Hello, world!"); end Hello; the code compiled (not cleanly) and gave me an executable. the messages thrown up during compilation are below. egcc -c hello.adb gnatbind -x hello.ali gnatlink hello.ali /usr/local/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-openbsd5.4/4.6.4/adalib/libgnat.a(adaint.o)(.text+0x3f3): In function `__gnat_os_filename': /usr/obj/gcc-4.6.4/build-amd64/gcc/ada/rts/adaint.c:714: warning: strcpy() is almost always misused, please use strlcpy() /usr/local/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-openbsd5.4/4.6.4/adalib/libgnat.a(cstreams.o)(.text+0x12c): In function `__gnat_full_name': /usr/obj/gcc-4.6.4/build-amd64/gcc/ada/rts/cstreams.c:237: warning: strcat() is almost always misused, please use strlcat() /usr/local/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-openbsd5.4/4.6.4/adalib/libgnat.a(adaint.o)(.text+0x1c8): In function `__gnat_try_lock': /usr/obj/gcc-4.6.4/build-amd64/gcc/ada/rts/adaint.c:552: warning: sprintf() is often misused, please use snprintf() i cross checked by compiling the same code under ubuntu server 13.10 using gnat-4.6, and it compiles cleanly. is this something i should be worried about? my machine's dmesg is below. OpenBSD 5.4 (RAMDISK_CD) #34: Tue Jul 30 15:35:37 MDT 2013 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/RAMDISK_CD real mem = 4196696064 (4002MB) avail mem = 4080070656 (3891MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xee7e0 (20 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "P1.30" date 03/20/2013 bios0: DIGILITE DL-H61M-VG3 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC FPDT MCFG SSDT AAFT HPET SSDT SSDT SSDT acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2020 @ 2.90GHz, 2893.83 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz cpu at mainbus0: not configured ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP02) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP03) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP04) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP05) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP06) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP07) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP08) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG0) acpiprt11 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG1) acpiprt12 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG2) acpiprt13 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG3) pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Xeon E3-1200v2 Host" rev 0x09 vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics 2500" rev 0x09 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) "Intel 6 Series MEI" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 not configured ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 6 Series USB" rev 0x05: apic 2 int 16 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 "Intel 6 Series HD Audio" rev 0x05 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 not configured ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 6 Series PCIE" rev 0xb5: msi pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 6 Series PCIE" rev 0xb5: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x06: RTL8168E/8111E-VL (0x2c80), apic 2 int 19, address bc:5f:f4:b0:c0:6c rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 5 ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 6 Series USB" rev 0x05: apic 2 int 23 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 "Intel H61 LPC" rev 0x05 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 6 Series AHCI" rev 0x05: msi, AHCI 1.3 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.50014ee2b39d7b2e sd0: 476940MB, 512 bytes/sector, 976773168 sectors cd0 at scsibus0 targ 4 lun 0: ATAPI 5/cdrom removable "Intel 6 Series SMBus" rev 0x05 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 not configured isa0 at mainbus0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 uhub2 at uhub0 port 1 "vendor 0x8087 product 0x0024" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 uhub3 at uhub1 port 1 "vendor 0x8087 product 0x0024" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 softraid0 at root scsibus1 at softraid0: 256 targets root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b syncing disks... OpenBSD 5.4 (GENERIC.MP) #41: Tue Jul 30 15:30:02 MDT 2013 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 4196696064 (4002MB) avail mem = 4077252608 (38
Re: UEFI
just install another 'os' like ubuntu-desktop on your laptop first. openbsd will install on it flawlessly after that, it did on mine. and yes, there was no need to change any options anywhere.
Re: a good workstation configurations?
i have been using a x100e (amd64) and now s400 (pdc). From czark...@gmail.com Sat Oct 5 09:23:29 2013 X-Original-To: mayur...@devio.us Delivered-To: mayur...@devio.us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at devio.us Authentication-Results: wolfman.devio.us (amavisd-new); dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=anR++GO1AMBV3JjUnuEV5y4jjHrWRzvjTmW66lt63QE=; b=eI1xOy5n2iv75XlrUp4nqeuROvQa9jjjlgTAXTnb9edkmu/wmV1aEZjEoYL9LXntj/ nRyyUnIbnZFAApyq3Qy62GK8eZb8yVswBdLhcx41ELPBZDebczQPe64sRIhjM4jxfT7J ///Hl1iBTMBE96DfYBdLA87K39TGHTUfvoGhOxKJyoe3UThPYLXPnBbyKNwaVg4J2STt /LdGXSBJjK6Nb842TrYb/MXMrn7bSuOlm8aU3WHX0FLVghcqNSF0dTRXKzvlj8f2uC7I 9N0qjrW/qF14N2eBs6jT2z9khWbADdSOE2gi/Snc0lN1auHbXMV3/xvm4ffzprr3pIpC coGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.11.7 with SMTP id r7mr2081442qar.91.1380979382499; Sat, 05 Oct 2013 06:23:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <20131005075910.e9beb1b5...@wolfman.devio.us> Subject: Re: a good workstation configurations? From: Dmitrij Czarkoff To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: OpenBSD-Misc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2c126893f9504e7fe510e --001a11c2c126893f9504e7fe510e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Interestingly, I use a Lenovo laptop and I never suffered from anything you mentioned. The only problem I have had is a couple of unsupported devices. Dmitrij D. Czarkoff --001a11c2c126893f9504e7fe510e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Interestingly, I use a Lenovo laptop and I never suffered from anything you mentioned. The only problem I have had is a couple of unsupported devices. Dmitrij D. Czarkoff --001a11c2c126893f9504e7fe510e--
Re: cwm rocks : but...
yes, did do those changes using xsetroot, etc. looks even better. about the login dialog itself, i'm trying to emulate the look of a/ux login screen. it used to be radically minimalist yet well designed.
Re: cwm rocks : but...
thanks jmz. /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources is the file i tried to edit. what ever changes i did must've been bad, made my system freeze. luckily i had a backup of that file. i attempted to make the login screen be even more minimalistic, and have the same kind of font and font-size as what's there in xterm. best.
cwm rocks : but...
have been using 'cwm' for over a week now. enjoying every moment of it. very well thought out and well executed from an openbsd perspective. questions; * is there any mailing list for keeping an eye on 'cwm' progress? * can the openbsd 'xdm' be made to look equally minimalistic? (i tried fiddling with the resources, made my system freeze). best.
a good workstation configurations?
hello, i've been using lenovo laptops for the past 4 years and have faced a whole lot of problems, vis-a-vis heating, disk performance and battery life; * heating: temperatures reach 70 deg centigrade in less than 5 minutes, * disk performance: even untaring a compressed file takes too long, * battery: doesn't last for more than 1.5 hours. i don't do anything extra-ordinary, and use the default install options. i don't have the guts to work on the bleeding edge by constantly keeping my system updated / building from source. my primary usage is for software development using c89. i develop small tools which work well together. :) given the above, i'm fed up with the whole laptop usage scenario, and wish to head back to a workstation, just don't know which to go for. can anyone please advise on a good workstation configuration? best.
[sot] going long long on time_t
went through theo's presentation slides at eurobsdcon (via undeadly) looks like 5.5 is the one that i've been saving money for all along thanks theo and gang. :)
nitpicky : cwm menu font
how do i find out which font is being used by xterm under cwm under openbsd? then i could use that same font (and size) for the cwm menu to give me a consistent user experience. ;)
mailx : mime handling?
hi, how do mailx users currently handle mime?
Re: openbsd on present day macintosh
i intend to move away from laptops. too many issues with power-management and heating. currently, have very little desk space, hence a macmini. :) thanks. -mayuresh
Re: openbsd on present day macintosh
thanks for the response. if present day (intel based) macbook runs fine so will a macmini. would like to know if you had to jump any hoops during first boot, i.e. the install boot. i will have to use an external (usb) optical drive, and don't know if i have to issue any special key-press instructions for the openbsd boot cd to get chosen and booted. thanks again. :) -mayuresh
openbsd on present day macintosh
hello, does anyone have any experience with installing and running openbsd on a present day macintosh, say a macmini? would like to know words of caution and advice before i commit to purchasing a macmini and using it exclusively for openbsd software development (my current thinkpad is dying quite rapidly). thanks. -mayuresh
mailx : mime handling : current practise?
hello, how do existing users of mailx manage mime? thanks.
apue : for openbsd : which edition?
hello, may i know which would be the most suitable edition of 'apue' (1st or 2nd) to learn more about programming services under openbsd? thanks.
mailx : mbox management strategies
may i know the sort of mbox management strategies used by those using mailx (hence mbox) as the mail handler? i wish to know how mailx users keep their mbox within manageable size limits. do they start a new mbox every month/year? do they use folders support to sort mails? or do they simply discard those mails which aren't really of great importance? thanks.
kernel: protection fault trap
hi, my system (dmesg below mail) occasionally goes into ddb at boot. it shows the following message; kernel: protection fault trap, code = 0 Stopped at 0x80437d70: pushq %rbp (null)() at 0x80437d70 end trace frame: 0x0, count: 10 ddb> how do i stop this from happening? once it goes into ddb, i usually type "boot reboot" and the system reboots just fine. dmesg; OpenBSD 5.2 (GENERIC) #309: Wed Aug 1 09:58:55 MDT 2012 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 4024238080 (3837MB) avail mem = 3894771712 (3714MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf0900 (43 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6XET50WW (1.33 )" date 03/14/2012 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SSDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC acpi0: wakeup devices PB5_(S5) OHC0(S3) OHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) OHC3(S3) OHC4(S3) P2P_(S5) LID_(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40, 1597.29 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,3DNOWP cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-3 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PB5_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (P2P_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, PSS acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 92 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB acpithinkpad0 at acpi0 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "42T4789" serial 10259 type LION oem "LGC 11" acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_ cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1597 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 3200" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 18 drm0 at radeondrm0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x03: RTL8168D/8111D (0x2800), apic 1 int 17, address 00:26:9e:b2:c9:58 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 "Realtek 8192SE" rev 0x10 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 22, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000c5001eeca42f sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sector, 625142448 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x3c: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5066 audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB700 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 a
wireless comm options unconfigurable
hello, i've got a thinkpad x100e-amd64 (dmesg below mail). all of its communications functions are well supported under ubuntu (current), but some of them (wifi and bluetooth) aren't even configurable under openbsd 5.2 (amd64). is there any way i can assist the core team to support my hardware fully? finally, how good or bad is the gprs/3g/edge support under openbsd? (i intend to purchase an internal 3g (mini-pci) modem for my laptop). thanks and regards. ~mayuresh -- OpenBSD 5.2 (GENERIC) #309: Wed Aug 1 09:58:55 MDT 2012 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 4024238080 (3837MB) avail mem = 3894771712 (3714MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf0900 (43 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6XET50WW (1.33 )" date 03/14/2012 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SSDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC acpi0: wakeup devices PB5_(S5) OHC0(S3) OHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) OHC3(S3) OHC4(S3) P2P_(S5) LID_(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40, 1597.29 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,3DNOWP cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-3 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PB5_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (P2P_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, PSS acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 92 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB acpithinkpad0 at acpi0 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "42T4789" serial 10259 type LION oem "LGC 11" acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_ cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1597 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 3200" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 18 drm0 at radeondrm0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x03: RTL8168D/8111D (0x2800), apic 1 int 17, address 00:26:9e:b2:c9:58 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 "Realtek 8192SE" rev 0x10 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 22, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000c5001eeca42f sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sector, 625142448 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x3c: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5066 audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB700 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc
Re: [off-topic] purging : microsoft : demons : howto?
yes, original by author. born out of sheer frustration. :) On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, mxb wrote: Original by author? Well rimed :) On 21 dec 2012, at 17:22, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: demons galore, of the microsoft lore, lurking in windows disks, lying near my hard disks, drawing my attention, giving me too much tension, how do i purge, this crazy scourge? best. ~mayuresh ps: it's driving me crazy... :)
[off-topic] purging : microsoft : demons : howto?
demons galore, of the microsoft lore, lurking in windows disks, lying near my hard disks, drawing my attention, giving me too much tension, how do i purge, this crazy scourge? best. ~mayuresh ps: it's driving me crazy... :)
Re: trivial with echo command
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, sven falempin wrote: So much to just print ... so: 1 echo is crap (not portable, not very usefull) 2 print is doing echo job in ksh print [-nprsu[n] | -R [-en]] [argument ...] (but this is completly different on pengouinOS) 3 printf is everywhere and works fine why do echo exist , now i wonder ... it's because under unix it's a different philosophy for software development. instead of building one huge application, build small tools and chain them together using pipes and output redirection using pure text as the exchange format. it's a lot more flexible and easier to debug. also, under unix, one first prototypes using various existing tools like awk, sed and the shell itself and then implements the final solution. Thanks a lots. you're quite welcome. :) ~mayuresh
Re: 5.2 : ssd support!
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Chris Cappuccio wrote: There is also a problem with some SSDs and the AHCI driver. any way to find out which ssd drives don't work with the ahci driver? as far as the real problem of excessive heating and power drain goes; i've been using the apmd with '-C' flag (on micha's advice), there's some scaling down of temperatures, but, not much. any other suggestions? thanks.
5.2 : ssd support!
hello, i'm running 5.2 (amd64) on my existing machine (dmesg below mail). works great, except for heating problems and lowered battery life. have experimented and run tests (windows 7, ubuntu 12.04.1 and memtest). the heating and battery life problems only surface under openbsd. wondered if replacing my regular hdd with a ssd might solve both problems in one shot. hence my question, "how good or bad is the ssd support under 5.2?". most of my usage would be software development using either lisp, c and c++ (at the console, no x). best. ~mayuresh -- dmesg -- OpenBSD 5.2 (GENERIC) #309: Wed Aug 1 09:58:55 MDT 2012 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 4024238080 (3837MB) avail mem = 3894771712 (3714MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf0900 (43 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6XET50WW (1.33 )" date 03/14/2012 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SSDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC acpi0: wakeup devices PB5_(S5) OHC0(S3) OHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) OHC3(S3) OHC4(S3) P2P_(S5) LID_(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40, 1597.29 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,3DNOWP cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-3 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PB5_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (P2P_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, PSS acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 92 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB acpithinkpad0 at acpi0 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "42T4789" serial 10259 type LION oem "LGC 11" acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_ cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1597 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 3200" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 18 drm0 at radeondrm0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x03: RTL8168D/8111D (0x2800), apic 1 int 17, address 00:26:9e:b2:c9:58 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 "Realtek 8192SE" rev 0x10 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 22, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000c5001eeca42f sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sector, 625142448 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x3c: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5066 audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB700 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci2: USB revision 1
Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support
thanks for the quick response. On Tue 24/07/12 01:55, "Jiri B" ji...@devio.us wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:27:56PM +0200, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > anyone on the list with infrastructure support to > help us with the following? > Yes, install OpenBSD. i don't have a spare machine nor enough money to co-locate it. need to know if there's some way to do it under wolfman. yes, i already have an account there, but, the admins are taking taking forever to come up with virtual hosting. :( best.
Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support
On Tue 24/07/12 02:04, "Wojciech Puchar" woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: > >> a way to host our project webpage and email > system via a shell interface. > install alpine or mutt use alpine regularly.
openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support
anyone on the list with infrastructure support to help us with the following? a way to host our project webpage and email system via a shell interface. the domain name is owned by us. we would like to have; a website like http://www.project_name.org/ email addresses like member@project_name.org some way to have source code control (cvs) it to be really low cost. :) thank you. -- simplicity can be marvellously powerful. - rahul jindal
birds of feather flocked together
anyone with expertise in setting up infrastructure for a small (3 member) team of volunteers doing part-time development for openbsd? the development effort will last for 12 months starting august 2012. no remuneration involved nor intent to fork. :) thanks.
apple : mac : mini : intel : core i5 : 5.2 : support?
would it be there? http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html shows nothing. googling around too showed information not upto date (from my location). need a reliable desktop system with a good resale value, hence a mac mini. :) thanks. -- simplicity can be marvelously powerful. - rahul jindal
Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing
On Wed 27/06/12 08:32, "Theo de Raadt" dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:24 PM, wrote: > > > I'd prefer the (small) team of developers > to work on the code. > > > > > Well, that's a false dichotomy: not all OpenBSD > committers work on the > > code. A handful work primarily on maintaining > the website and/or > > documentation, because that's an important job > too. > > > > > > > Fair enough, I am not a developer, so it was > entirely my 2c. > > > I'm sure there are a lot of people who pop up and > offer to do stuff but when the > going gets tough and not much fun, they melt away > like snowflakes. I've seen it > in a number of organisations - lots of ideas, not > enough implementers (if > there's such a word.) > > Yeah. I get mails like that. "We can make this much prettier using > php". bullshit, "we can make it prettier using javascript/node" >;^)
x100e : amd : openbsd 5.0 : built-in video camera problems
hello, my system (dmesg below) has a built-in video camera on the display. the region around the video camera heats up phenomenally, it happens everytime, irrespective of whether i use it for 2 minutes or 2 hours. anything i could do to help the systems guys resolve this problem? thank you. OpenBSD 5.0 (GENERIC) #43: Wed Aug 17 10:10:52 MDT 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40 ("AuthenticAMD" 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 1.60 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16 real mem = 1877331968 (1790MB) avail mem = 1836568576 (1751MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 02/11/10, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdba0, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf0b30 (43 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6XET33WW (1.12 )" date 02/11/2010 bios0: LENOVO 3508A16 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SSDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC acpi0: wakeup devices PB5_(S5) OHC0(S3) OHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) OHC3(S3) OHC4(S3) P2P_(S5) LID_(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-3 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PB5_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (P2P_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, PSS acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 92 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB acpithinkpad0 at acpi0 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "42T4789" serial 10259 type LION oem "LGC 11" acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_ bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xec00 0xcf000/0x1000 cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1597 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 3200" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 18 drm0 at radeondrm0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x03: RTL8168D/8111D (0x2800), apic 1 int 17, address c8:0a:a9:1b:bb:04 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 "Realtek 8192SE" rev 0x10 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 22, AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed naa.5000c5001eeca42f sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sector, 625142448 sectors ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16, version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x3c: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x51: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5066 audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB700 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support um
Re: puffy : images
thanks for that steve... :) On Sun 21/08/11 12:20, "STeve Andre'" and...@msu.edu wrote: > On 08/21/11 02:37, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > have attempted to find images of puffy but haven't > been successful. > there's some place on the openbsd.org server which > used to hold puffy images, > can someone please point me to > > the location? > > > > thank you. > > > > > http://openbsd.org/art1.html > --STeve Andre'
puffy : images
have attempted to find images of puffy but haven't been successful. there's some place on the openbsd.org server which used to hold puffy images, can someone please point me to the location? thank you.
Theo's Birthday, have you done anything?
Hey, it's Theo's birthday today, have you done anything? Yeah, you could wish him, but, how about a small gift? How about donating US$10 to the project today?
openbsd : bluetooth : 2.1 : support?
hello, i plan to purchase the following device; http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=289&pl1_id=13&pl2_id=78 i intend to use it to connect to the internet over a gprs based cell phone via bluetooth. is this kind of connectivity possible under openbsd at the moment? i apologise for not being able to send in a dmesg of my machine (Lenovo X100e AMD), as at the moment i'm running windows 7. best.
Re: gprs/3g : modem : huawei : k3565 : openbsd : 4.7 : support?
On Wed 27/10/10 13:56, "David Coppa" dco...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > would like to know if my modem is supported under > 4.7, if not, what about 4.8, > if > > not what assistance can i provide the person/people > who have the capability > to > > add in support? > > if supported, can someone please provide me the > chat-script? > i have tacked in the dmesg (while the modem was > plugged in) below. > > umsm0 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 0 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > umsm0: umass only mode. need to reattach > > umsm0 detached > > umsm0 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 0 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > ucom0 at umsm0 > > umsm1 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 1 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > ucom1 at umsm1 > > umsm2 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 2 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > ucom2 at umsm2 > > umsm3 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 3 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > umsm4 at uhub0 port 5 configuration 1 interface 4 > "HUAWEI Technology HUAWEI > Mobile" rev 2.00/0.00 addr 2 > > Your modem is already supported. > > You just need to find what is the port that accepts AT commands and > create two scripts under /etc/ppp/peers. > > use cu(1) to test the port: > > # cu -l cuaU0 > Connected > AT > OK > > Then you can start the connection using the following commands: > > # ifconfig ppp0 create && pppd file /etc/ppp/peers/vodafone > > These are the scripts I use with Vodafone Italia, e.g.: > > $ cat /etc/ppp/peers/vodafone > /dev/cuaU0 > debug > crtscts > 921600 > defaultroute > noauth > :10.64.64.64 > connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/peers/vodafone.chat' > > $ cat /etc/ppp/peers/vodafone.chat > ABORT "NO CARRIER" > ABORT "NO DIALTONE" > ABORT "ERROR" > ABORT "NO ANSWER" > ABORT "BUSY" > ABORT "Username/Password Incorrect" > TIMEOUT 15 > "" "ATZ" > OK "ATE1" > OK "ATQ0V1E1S0=0&C1&D2+FCLASS=0" > OK 'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.omnitel.it"' > OK "ATDT*99***1#" > TIMEOUT 30 > CONNECT \d\c > > CCing also the other guy who was asking a similar question... > > Cheers, > David Hello David, I've tried almost everything I could but still couldn't get the connection to work, I even spoke with the Vodafone guys but their junior level people are all about Windows and Mac OS X. Is there any other way to get this connection working? Could you tell me what are the names of the variables in your chat scripts such that I can get my requests forwarded to the senior level people at Vodafone (technical support)? I would like to know what the following (in your scripts) are called; 1. "web.omnitel.it" 2. "ATDT*99***1#" 3. :10.64.64.64 >From where I look at the scripts, these are the variables which should be changeable from place to place :-) Best.
gprs/3g : modem : huawei : k3565 : openbsd : 4.7 : support?
would like to know if my modem is supported under 4.7, if not, what about 4.8, if not what assistance can i provide the person/people who have the capability to add in support? if supported, can someone please provide me the chat-script? i have tacked in the dmesg (while the modem was plugged in) below. thank you. OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40 ("AuthenticAMD" 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 1.60 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,CX16 real mem = 1877364736 (1790MB) avail mem = 1810280448 (1726MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 02/11/10, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdba0, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xf0b30 (43 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6XET33WW (1.12 )" date 02/11/2010 bios0: LENOVO 3508A16 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP TCPA SSDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC acpi0: wakeup devices PB5_(S5) OHC0(S3) OHC1(S3) OHC2(S3) OHC3(S3) OHC4(S3) P2P_(S5) LID_(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PB5_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (P2P_) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiec0 at acpi0 acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, PSS acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 92 degC acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB acpithinkpad0 at acpi0 acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "42T4789" serial 10259 type LION oem "LGC 11" acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_ bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xec00 0xcf000/0x1000 cpu0: PowerNow! K8 1597 MHz: speeds: 1600 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 5 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 3200" rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) ppb1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 (irq 5) pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x03: RTL8168D/8111D (0x2800), apic 1 int 17 (irq 5), address c8:0a:a9:1b:bb:04 rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8169S/8110S PHY, rev. 2 ppb2 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18 (irq 11) pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 vendor "Realtek", unknown product 0x8172 (class network subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x10) at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SATA" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 22 (irq 11), AHCI 1.1 scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 305245MB, 512 bytes/sec, 625142448 sec total ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci0 dev 18 function 1 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 17 (irq 5) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ohci2 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "ATI SB700 USB" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18 (irq 11), version 1.0, legacy support ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "ATI SB700 USB2" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 19 (irq 11) usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1 "ATI EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "ATI SBx00 SMBus" rev 0x3c: SMI iic0 at piixpm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x51: 2GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM azalia0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 "ATI SBx00 HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10) azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5066 audio0 at azalia0 pcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 3 "ATI SB700 ISA" rev 0x00 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 4 "ATI SB600 PCI" rev 0x00 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport" rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map" rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg" rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg" rev 0x00: core rev DH-G2 usb2 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "ATI OHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: spkr0 at pcppi0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 mtrr: Pe
Re: CGI : Shell Script
On Sat 24/07/10 19:41, "Gilles Chehade" gil...@poolp.org wrote: > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 03:53:36PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > You dont want to do that... > > > > Mayuresh Kathe the.in> a C)critB : > > > >Has anyone experimented with using a set of > shell scripts as CGI under the > >stock Apache delivered with > > >OpenBSD? > > > > longer answer now that i reached home: > > 1- the goal of the chroot is to prevent apache from accessing things > outside its root directory (/var/www) as a measure to limit for example an > exploit from executing a shell. if you bring the shell inside the chroot ... > you already defeat that. > > 2- shell scripts do not rely on shell builtins, so if you want to use > them inside the chroot you also need to bring all of the commands you plan > to use too. that means a large chunk of /bin and /usr/bin. > > 3- why oh why ? Thanks for the answer Gilles, as always, very complete :-) about: 3- why oh why ? Because I'm on the verge of running an experiment using OpenBSD. It involves a lot of small files in one big directory. I wanted to use the Unix toolkit rather than using the one big interpreted language (php, ruby) approach. Again, thank you. :-) Best.
CGI : Shell Script
Has anyone experimented with using a set of shell scripts as CGI under the stock Apache delivered with OpenBSD?
Re: OpenBSD : FFS : Large Directories : Small files
On Mon 12/07/10 11:09, "Otto Moerbeek" o...@drijf.net wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:22:41AM +0200, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Hello, may I know of limitations on supporting large > directories (over 5 > million files) with small files > > (less than 10 KB) under FFS/FFS2? > > This is for a research project under AMD x86 with > SATA Disk[s]. > Directories are linear structures. There's caching, but it will be > slow. Create subdirecties. As a rule of thumb, restrict yourself to a > few ten-thousends of files per dir. Otto, I will re-structure my solution. As always, you've given the most clear and relevant response. Thanks a million :)
Re: OpenBSD : FFS : Large Directories : Small files
On Sun 11/07/10 23:05, "Ted Unangst" ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Mayuresh Kathe the.in> wrote: > Hello, may I know of limitations on supporting large > directories (over 5 > million files) with small files > > (less than 10 KB) under FFS/FFS2? > > This is for a research project under AMD x86 with > SATA Disk[s]. > It wouldn't be much of a research project if we told you the answer, would > it? > Step 4 of the scientific method: Perform experiments. The project is to do with large number of files stored in a directory, but definitely not about finding out whether OpenBSD would be in a position to handle that. The answer is vital to allow me usage of OpenBSD, else I will probably have to move over to some commercial Unix, hope you can help. :) The project is research, not finding out whether the research wouldn't yield results because the filesystem couldn't handle management of 5 million small files. :-)
OpenBSD : FFS : Large Directories : Small files
Hello, may I know of limitations on supporting large directories (over 5 million files) with small files (less than 10 KB) under FFS/FFS2? This is for a research project under AMD x86 with SATA Disk[s].
Donation : GPRS : Modem : HUAWEI : K3565
I'm willing to donate the above mentioned device to anyone ready to add support. Please contact me off-list with your snail mail address.
Re: GPRS/3G Modem : USB : HUAWEI : K3565
From: "Jona Joachim" Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:17 PM > On 2010-05-14, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: >> has anyone got the above mentioned device to work under openbsd? >> if yes, may i know the process to get it working at my end? >> i'm with vodafone plan in mumbai, india. > > Could you perhaps send relevant dmesg(8) output of when you plug in the > device? I could have, but I'm running win7 on my machine at the moment, and haven't yet received my copy of OpenBSD yet. Wrote in the request for information before installing OpenBSD because I wanted to know if the support is there, else I would have worked out some other network connection. :-) Best.
GPRS/3G Modem : USB : HUAWEI : K3565
has anyone got the above mentioned device to work under openbsd? if yes, may i know the process to get it working at my end? i'm with vodafone plan in mumbai, india.
Gilles : Call for Donations...
In case the community hasn't already noticed or been made aware of. Gilles requires funds (900 Euro) to buy himself a decent desktop computer. Gilles initiated and works on the new SMTPd code. To cross check, his site is at http://www.poolp.org/~gilles/ Please donate via paypal: gil...@poolp.org ~Mayuresh http://mayuresh.kathe.in/
I/O redirection
Hello, I'm not aware if this has been brought up here before, didn't know how to search for this particular question through the archives, so writing to the list. Pardon me if I'm repeating. I'm under OpenBSD 4.2 running ksh (PD KSH v5.2.14 99/07/13.2) as my shell. I tried to do the following; time java helloWorld >time.report 2>&1 It showed the following; 0m0.13s real 0m0.12s user 0m0.00s system shouldn't this time command related info go into time.report? time.report only contained the string "Hello World". Is this a flaw with pdksh? ~Mayuresh http://kathe.in/
Any other Java developers?
Hello, Are there any other Java developers using OpenBSD as their native platform? ~Mayuresh http://mayuresh.kathe.in/
Re: Singularity OS
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Gilles Chehade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mayuresh Kathe a icrit : > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > However having chosen C# is in my opinion not optimal. C# is very > >> > limited when it comes to generic and meta-programming. > >> > >> What's next? an OS in java and php? > >> > > > > Marco, it would be better for you if you make informed comments rather > > than just resorting to sarcasm the moment you get a chance. > > Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaOS > > > > ~Mayuresh > > > > > "Sun now officially considers JavaOS a legacy system > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_system> and recommends migration to > Java ME <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_ME> ^[1] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaOS#_note-0> . This by itself however > is not a full replacement, as Java ME is an API > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API> specification, which runs on top of > an operating system, and is not an operating system in itself." > > I may be mistaken but if they relegate this to the rank of a "legacy > system" instead of improving it and giving more credit to their > language, it must mean something about the use of their language to > design a system. They relegated it to "legacy system" status because there wasn't a market for it. Java ME targets the embedded systems market and does it quite well. Embedded systems developers typically have used a fixed set of OSes, Sun considered it not worthwhile to introduce one more standard, and instead focused on delivering a platform for application development.
Re: Singularity OS
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However having chosen C# is in my opinion not optimal. C# is very > > limited when it comes to generic and meta-programming. > > What's next? an OS in java and php? Marco, it would be better for you if you make informed comments rather than just resorting to sarcasm the moment you get a chance. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaOS ~Mayuresh
Re: The Dilbert Problem...
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:47:23PM +0100, Landry Breuil wrote: > | On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > > | > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > > > | > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Mayuresh Kathe > | > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > > > Hi, > | > > > > | > > > There's a strange incident that's repeatable on my system (4.2). > | > > > > | > > > Open up Firefox, make it load "www.dilbert.com", then open > another tab > | > > > and visit any other website, then do the same for 2~3 more tabs. > | > > > > | > > > The first (dilbert) tab takes a long time to load during which the > | > > > other tabs too show nothing, they get stuck at "Looking up..." > | > > > > | > > > Is it a Firefox problem or something to do with the system? > | > > > > | > > > Best, > | > > > > | > > > ~Mayuresh > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > I have seen this on both Windows and OpenBSD. The later firefox > | > > releases (like from 2.0.0.3-2.0.0.5 something) I have seen problems > | > > with having more tabs open. > | > > I used to have a lot of tabs but now I have restricted myself to 3-4 > | > > or firefox is not useable. > | > > | > I forgot to mention, my Firefox version is 2.0.0.6 > | > Also I've only got a total of 3~4 tabs open while performing the > Dilbert test. > | > Taking your cue, I tried an experiment, I opened up 10 tabs, but > | > without the Dilbert site and all of them opened up in parallel. > | > | Seems like an ipv6-dns-resolution problem to me. > > A bit of background here : > > Firefox can do lookups (for IPv6 addresses) by default for > websites you visit. Some DNS servers don't like this sort of query > and, in stead of saying "hey, I dont understand what you want", they > ignore you in the hope that you go away. Things time out on your end, > your system will do a A lookup and from there you can continue > browsing the website. > > In the case of the dilbert site, this doesn't seem to be the case. > Apparantly, one of the NS'en is not responding to queries at all (nor > ICMP Echo Requests - it's probably down or disconnected from the net > temporarily). Your caching NS may be trying to contact this one > nameserver. It'll wait for the timeout and then try one of the other > NS'en. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that www.dilbert.com has > a TTL of 300 seconds, so your caching NS doesn't keep this record in > memory too long. > > The problem is that the resolver in OpenBSD isn't reentrant. If it's > doing nameresolution, it'll not do another one in parallel. So while > you wait for www.dilbert.com to get resolved (which takes long because > of this timeout), you open a new tab, enter an address and your > machine will have to resolve that too, which gets queued up (doesn't > get handled in parallel), so the other tab also waits on > www.dilbert.com to get resolved. > > You can test this hypothesis by going to a website by its IP address. > Try visiting http://129.128.5.191/ (http://www.openbsd.org/) while > you're waiting for www.dilbert.com to load. Visiting by IP should work > (as it doesn't require a DNS lookup). Paul, I tried your idea of starting up www.dilbert.com and then visiting http://129.128.5.191/ (the openbsd website). It worked as you'd predicted. So I guess its the problem with the OpenBSD resolver.
Re: The Dilbert Problem...
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Mayuresh Kathe > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > There's a strange incident that's repeatable on my system (4.2). > > > > Open up Firefox, make it load "www.dilbert.com", then open another tab > > and visit any other website, then do the same for 2~3 more tabs. > > > > The first (dilbert) tab takes a long time to load during which the > > other tabs too show nothing, they get stuck at "Looking up..." > > > > Is it a Firefox problem or something to do with the system? > > > > Best, > > > > ~Mayuresh > > > > > > I have seen this on both Windows and OpenBSD. The later firefox > releases (like from 2.0.0.3-2.0.0.5 something) I have seen problems > with having more tabs open. > I used to have a lot of tabs but now I have restricted myself to 3-4 > or firefox is not useable. I forgot to mention, my Firefox version is 2.0.0.6 Also I've only got a total of 3~4 tabs open while performing the Dilbert test. Taking your cue, I tried an experiment, I opened up 10 tabs, but without the Dilbert site and all of them opened up in parallel.
The Dilbert Problem...
Hi, There's a strange incident that's repeatable on my system (4.2). Open up Firefox, make it load "www.dilbert.com", then open another tab and visit any other website, then do the same for 2~3 more tabs. The first (dilbert) tab takes a long time to load during which the other tabs too show nothing, they get stuck at "Looking up..." Is it a Firefox problem or something to do with the system? Best, ~Mayuresh
Re: OpenBSD and Mysql+Sun
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gustavo Polillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sun +Mysql.. The mysql database will be portable in the next Openbsd > versions? How openbsd team loook this? Didn't quite grasp your mail clearly, but based on what-ever I understood of it, here goes; SUN is going to continue keeping MySQL open sourced, only that they are going try and monetise on the fact that people would like to buy SUN hardware to run their DB on. Nothing else changes. Best, ~Mayuresh
Re: Monitoring Battery...
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Mayuresh Kathe > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Antoine Jacoutot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > > I googled for "monitoring battery openbsd" but got nothing > satisfactory. > > > > > > apm(8) > > > > Thanks for that Antoine. > > > > I tried 'apm -b' to get the battery status, but it showed 255, which > > is 'unknown', is it because my laptop isn't properly supported? > > > > Is there anything I could do to help developers support it better? > > > > Best, > > > > ~Mayuresh > > > > > > If its an non-apm laptop you can check it via acpi. Use sysctl and > check the hw section. There it was how many volts left. How do I check whether its a non-apm laptop? It's a ThinkPad R61i, dmesg below; OpenBSD 4.2 (GENERIC) #375: Tue Aug 28 10:38:44 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2310 @ 1.46GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.47 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR real mem = 526667776 (502MB) avail mem = 501596160 (478MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 06/28/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdca0, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (71 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "7OET24WW (1.03 )" date 06/28/2007 bios0: LENOVO 8932A32 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 3.0 @ 0xfdc30/0x3d0 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfde80/304 (17 entries) pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 17 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios0: no compatible PCI ICU found pcibios0: Warning, unable to fix up PCI interrupt routing pcibios0: PCI bus #22 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1! 0xd/0x1a00 0xd1a00/0x1000 0xe/0x1! acpi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0 at mainbus0 cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x06130b2b06000613 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 800 MHz (1004 mV): speeds: 1467, 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82965GM MCH" rev 0x0c vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82965GM Video" rev 0x0c: aperture at 0xe000, size 0x800 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) "Intel 82965GM Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 uhci1 at pci0 dev 26 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801H HD Audio" rev 0x03: irq 11 azalia0: host: High Definition Audio rev. 1.0 azalia0: codec: Conexant/0x5045 (rev. 1.0), HDA version 1.0 audio0 at azalia0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci1 at ppb0 bus 2 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci2 at ppb1 bus 3 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" rev 0x02: irq 11, MoW1, address 00:1c:bf:2c:fd:aa ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci3 at ppb2 bus 4 bge0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Broadcom BCM5787M" rev 0x02, BCM5754/5787 A2 (0xb002): irq 11, address 00:1a:6b:d4:c9:0e brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5787 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0 ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci4 at ppb3 bus 5 ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci5 at ppb4 bus 13 uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 10 uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 uhci4 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci1: timed out waiting for BIOS usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xf3 pci6 at ppb5 bus 21 cbb0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Ricoh 5C476 CardBus" rev 0xba: irq 10 "Ricoh 5C832 Firewire" rev 0x04 at pci6 dev 0 function 1 not configured sdhc0 at pci6 dev 0 function 2 "Ricoh 5C822 SD/MMC" rev 0x21: irq 11 sdmmc0 at
Re: Monitoring Battery...
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Antoine Jacoutot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > I googled for "monitoring battery openbsd" but got nothing satisfactory. > > apm(8) Thanks for that Antoine. I tried 'apm -b' to get the battery status, but it showed 255, which is 'unknown', is it because my laptop isn't properly supported? Is there anything I could do to help developers support it better? Best, ~Mayuresh
Monitoring Battery...
Hello, Is there any way to monitor the charge left on the battery of a laptop? Like how much percentage of the battery charge is left to allow us to estimate how long it will work without connecting to a wall socket? I googled for "monitoring battery openbsd" but got nothing satisfactory. Best, ~Mayuresh
Re: ThinkPad : X freezes on exit...
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Richard Toohey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23/02/2008, at 8:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've got a ThinkPad R61i (dmesg at the bottom of mail). > > I configured X using 'X -configure', it showed a nice 1024x768 X > > startup screen, but when I did 'Ctrl+Alt+Backspace' to get back to my > > console X just froze. > > The only way to get out was to do a hard reboot. > > > > Is there anyway to solve this problem? > > > > Did you try Ctrl-Alt-F1? > Yes I did, I even tried Ctrl+Alt+[F1-F4]
ThinkPad : X freezes on exit...
Hi, I've got a ThinkPad R61i (dmesg at the bottom of mail). I configured X using 'X -configure', it showed a nice 1024x768 X startup screen, but when I did 'Ctrl+Alt+Backspace' to get back to my console X just froze. The only way to get out was to do a hard reboot. Is there anyway to solve this problem? === dmesg below === OpenBSD 4.2 (GENERIC) #375: Tue Aug 28 10:38:44 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2310 @ 1.46GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.47 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR real mem = 526667776 (502MB) avail mem = 501596160 (478MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 06/28/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdca0, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (71 entries) bios0: vendor LENOVO version "7OET24WW (1.03 )" date 06/28/2007 bios0: LENOVO 8932A32 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 3.0 @ 0xfdc30/0x3d0 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfde80/304 (17 entries) pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 17 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios0: no compatible PCI ICU found pcibios0: Warning, unable to fix up PCI interrupt routing pcibios0: PCI bus #22 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1! 0xd/0x1a00 0xd1a00/0x1000 0xe/0x1! acpi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0 at mainbus0 cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x06130b2b06000613 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 800 MHz (1004 mV): speeds: 1467, 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82965GM MCH" rev 0x0c vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82965GM Video" rev 0x0c: aperture at 0xe000, size 0x800 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) "Intel 82965GM Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 uhci1 at pci0 dev 26 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801H HD Audio" rev 0x03: irq 11 azalia0: host: High Definition Audio rev. 1.0 azalia0: codec: Conexant/0x5045 (rev. 1.0), HDA version 1.0 audio0 at azalia0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci1 at ppb0 bus 2 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci2 at ppb1 bus 3 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" rev 0x02: irq 11, MoW1, address 00:1c:bf:2c:fd:aa ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci3 at ppb2 bus 4 bge0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Broadcom BCM5787M" rev 0x02, BCM5754/5787 A2 (0xb002): irq 11, address 00:1a:6b:d4:c9:0e brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5787 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0 ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci4 at ppb3 bus 5 ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03 pci5 at ppb4 bus 13 uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 10 uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 uhci4 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: irq 11 ehci1: timed out waiting for BIOS usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1 at usb1: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xf3 pci6 at ppb5 bus 21 cbb0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Ricoh 5C476 CardBus" rev 0xba: irq 10 "Ricoh 5C832 Firewire" rev 0x04 at pci6 dev 0 function 1 not configured sdhc0 at pci6 dev 0 function 2 "Ricoh 5C822 SD/MMC" rev 0x21: irq 11 sdmmc0 at sdhc0 "Ricoh 5C843" rev 0x11 at pci6 dev 0 function 3 not configured "Ricoh 5C592 Memory Stick" rev 0x11 at pci6 dev 0 function 4 not configured "Ricoh 5C852 xD" rev 0x11 at pci6 dev 0 function 5 not configured cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0 cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 22 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0xb0 pcmcia0 at cardslot0 ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel 82801HBM LPC" rev 0x03: PM disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 "Intel 82801HBM IDE" rev 0x03: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled) ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 82801HBM SATA" rev 0x03: irq 10, AHCI 1.1 scsibus1 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 76319MB, 9729 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 156301488 sec total ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 82801H SMBus"
Re: FOSDEM 23/24 Feb Brussels
Golly, what language is that? is it the native language of NL? I tried running it through 'rot13', but that complicated it even more. 2008/2/22 Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ik zal er niet bij zijn dit jaar, maar ik wens je wel veel > plezier. :-) > > Groetjes aan Tilly. ;-) > > > > Wim Vandeputte wrote: > > like each year we'll be present at the FOSDEM event in Brussels, it's > > completely free entrance, plenty of interesting things to see, > > even a BSD devroom with presenations > > > > Feel free to drop by > > > > http://www.fosdem.org/ > > > > This weekend. > > > > # Han
Re: There's something about OpenBSD...
Sorry for my dumbness, to all developers :) On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:56 PM, raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And...you forgot to say: "Sorry for my dumbness" to all developers that > give you an answer. > Now, you have to kiss all their ass. > > Francesco > > Mayuresh Kathe ha scritto: > > > > What is it about OpenBSD that I can't resist it? > > > > After the past long exchange about "our ultimate goal" and a lot of > > people advising me to go over to Solaris 10, I did, I removed OpenBSD > > from one of my machines and installed "Solaris Express Developers > > Edition". > > It was slick looking, very graphical with most of things you want to > > do, had Java SE 5/6 preinstalled, and had everything thing that I was > > expecting from OpenBSD. > > > > But yet, after 2 hours of fooling around, I came back to OpenBSD. > > > > For one thing, it took me almost 1.5 hours to install Solaris, compare > > that to 30 minutes with OpenBSD, including 'packages', 'src' and > > 'ports'. > > > > The second thing was probably the knowledge that things are simple > > with OpenBSD, none of the complicated layouts thing as with Solaris. > > You could follow instructions from ancient books like "Practical Unix > > and Internet Security - Second Edition" to the T. > > > > Given all that, inspite of all the hammering I've taken over my > > comments, I'd prefer to stick with OpenBSD. > > > > Thanks to Theo and the core gang for delivering such a good, clean > > operating environment. > > > > Best, > > > > ~Mayuresh
There's something about OpenBSD...
What is it about OpenBSD that I can't resist it? After the past long exchange about "our ultimate goal" and a lot of people advising me to go over to Solaris 10, I did, I removed OpenBSD from one of my machines and installed "Solaris Express Developers Edition". It was slick looking, very graphical with most of things you want to do, had Java SE 5/6 preinstalled, and had everything thing that I was expecting from OpenBSD. But yet, after 2 hours of fooling around, I came back to OpenBSD. For one thing, it took me almost 1.5 hours to install Solaris, compare that to 30 minutes with OpenBSD, including 'packages', 'src' and 'ports'. The second thing was probably the knowledge that things are simple with OpenBSD, none of the complicated layouts thing as with Solaris. You could follow instructions from ancient books like "Practical Unix and Internet Security - Second Edition" to the T. Given all that, inspite of all the hammering I've taken over my comments, I'd prefer to stick with OpenBSD. Thanks to Theo and the core gang for delivering such a good, clean operating environment. Best, ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20/02/2008, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > > > > > yeah. > > > guess what we have? > > > exactly that. > > > (which doesn't mean it could be even faster) > > > > > > Pardon if I sound ignorant, but isn't our networking stack based on > > the 24 year old technology from Berkeley? > > Pardon if I sound ignorant, but isn't our Bugatti Veyron based on > the millennia old wheel technology? The wheel isn't the technology, it is a concept. An implementation of the wheel concept would be the technology. The concept is the same, but the technology is certainly different. Are you saying your Bugatti Veyron is running on wooden wheels? ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-20 13:12]: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > > > > > yeah. > > > guess what we have? > > > exactly that. > > > (which doesn't mean it could be even faster) > > > > Pardon if I sound ignorant, but isn't our networking stack based on > > the 24 year old technology from Berkeley? > > so? > > isn't your computer running on >>100 years old technology called > "electricity"? But that >100 year old technology used to be DC earlier, then it was converted to AC because of its inherent benefits. Similarly, wouldn't it have been beneficial to go for a modern approach for the network stack? (not that now I can do anything about it, all's lost for me) Could you please read http://research.sun.com/minds/2007-0710/ ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 20, 2008 4:58 PM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-17 13:38]: > > Wouldn't it be nice to have a high performance networking stack? > > yeah. > guess what we have? > exactly that. > (which doesn't mean it could be even faster) Pardon if I sound ignorant, but isn't our networking stack based on the 24 year old technology from Berkeley?
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 20, 2008 12:52 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:47:54 +0530 > "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they > > > > could either; > > > > 1. take up complex projects like FireEngine/DTrace, > > > > 2. write replacements for as many GNU tools/utilities as possible, > > > > 3. be a landing stage for newer developers who get intimidated by the > > > > intensity of the core developers. > > > > > > good luck with that. be sure to let us know when it's all done, ok? > > > thanks. > > > > If thats sarcasm its really not warranted. > > If its not sarcasm, then we'll be posting to the list about our progress. > > > > Also, Ted, I'm sorry if you felt offended by my ranting about you not > > completing kernel threads, but the loss of those developers really > > felt bad. > > > > ~Mayuresh > > > > Looks to me like your "Tivo Box" project might need to actually pay someone > to write a threads library. This is the second time someone has mentioned about a project that does not exist. What's gotten into you people? ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 20, 2008 2:59 AM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 4:50 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they > > could either; > > 1. take up complex projects like FireEngine/DTrace, > > 2. write replacements for as many GNU tools/utilities as possible, > > 3. be a landing stage for newer developers who get intimidated by the > > intensity of the core developers. > > good luck with that. be sure to let us know when it's all done, ok? thanks. If thats sarcasm its really not warranted. If its not sarcasm, then we'll be posting to the list about our progress. Also, Ted, I'm sorry if you felt offended by my ranting about you not completing kernel threads, but the loss of those developers really felt bad. ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 19, 2008 5:16 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:33:12 +0530 > "Mayuresh Kathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It just led me to ponder, what is OpenBSD's ultimate goal? > > What, exactly, is yours? My ultimate goal is to have an OS which would give me; stability, security, a better default window manager, something as good as DTrace, something as good as FireEngine, a file system which would hold a lot of big files, you can assume it to be porn if you want :-) and, a system which is as free off GNU software as possible. That's the reason I've been gathering good C developers, so that they could either; 1. take up complex projects like FireEngine/DTrace, 2. write replacements for as many GNU tools/utilities as possible, 3. be a landing stage for newer developers who get intimidated by the intensity of the core developers. > I've read thru this thread and you are remarkably obscure > about your intentions, but it seems to me that OBSD somehow > does not fit your marketing plan, which seems to have a lot > in common with "New, Improved, Diamond-shaped Shreddies". I've clearly pointed out what I've wanted since my second mail to the thread. I don't *have* a marketing plan, I'm a developer, remember? ~Mayuresh
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
What shit are you talking about? On Feb 18, 2008 2:01 PM, System Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 18 Feb 2008 at 10:16, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his > > own > > > > code well enough to have completed it. > > > > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting > > about > > > > how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to > > > > understand the point that without us users you are nothing. > > > > > > Wow... > > > People should inform themselves instead of writing things like > > that. > > > OpenBSD states very clearly that it has a developer culture, and > > not > > > an user one. Just be grateful for the code that you get FOR FREE. > > > Also, if you feel that the project helps you, give something back > > to > > > the project (like code or donations) to keep it running, and to > > keep > > > it helping YOU. > > > The developers code and share their code not because they want to > > be > > > famous or to receive accolades from the project's users, but > > because > > > they are solving the problems that they have an interest. They > > don't > > > own the users anything, instead, they give their code for free to > > > whoever might find it useful. > > > > > > Is it so hard to understand that? > > > > Leonardo, I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, I've always paid > > for it by buying CDs, unlike you who might have done an FTP install, > > you're a cheap-skate aren't you. > > Mayuresh, do you honestly think that the few dollars you spent on that > CD actually paid for any code, as in code development? Are you naove, a > fool, or really that arrogant? > > It has been pointed out many times on this list, that CD sales do not > even cover the electricity costs to keep the core infrastructure > running. But given the size of those bills, the sales represent an > important subsidy, allowing to literally "keep the lights on". And I do > not need auditor's reports to confirm that assertion not because I'm > gullible, but because I know from personal experience of running a > similar business just how true it is. Moreover, I know how much time > and money will be sucked out of the project to generate accounting > reports. > > Now, to hopefully put an end to these useless rants, let me rephrase > something the others have tried to explain to you: > > You can only expect and demand any level of professional performance > from your _employees_ (or subcontractors), i.e. when you are > specifically and directly responsible for paying their livelihood. > Anything else is a mutually convenient arrangement that _either_ party > is free to terminate at any time. Actually, since slavery and bonded > servitude have been abolished all over the world, even employment is > "at will" and your employees may and sometimes will quit without > completing _your_ goals. > > To use your own example to elaborate: Did Ted ever acccept any funding > from you for which he specifically promised any concrete deliverables? > I very much doubt that. Did you make a fundamental business mistake by > undertaking a business venture so reliant on his contribution without > making any effort to assure that his contribution will be completed and > forthcoming in accordance with your business' schedule? Absolutely. > Well, all the rantings against the project, Ted or any other developer, > will not rectify _your_ mistake, nor change the fact the _you_ made > such a critical mistake in _your_ business venture. (Next time you > start building your dream house, make sure you have a complete and > solid foundation.) > > > Go buy yourself a CD set, contribute to the OpenBSD foundation, or > > better still, since you are talking about flying pigs, go code up a > > good application in C for OpenBSD or enhance an existing one. > > > > ~Mayuresh > > > > > > > - > System Administrator[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bitwise Internet Technologies, Inc. > 22 Drydock Avenue tel: (617) 737-1837 > Boston, MA 02210 fax: (617) 439-4941
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 18, 2008 1:55 AM, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > think a generally usable 64/128 bit file system, > > you have that much porn that you need a 128bit fs? Ya I do :)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??
On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own > > code well enough to have completed it. > > BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about > > how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to > > understand the point that without us users you are nothing. > > Wow... > People should inform themselves instead of writing things like that. > OpenBSD states very clearly that it has a developer culture, and not > an user one. Just be grateful for the code that you get FOR FREE. > Also, if you feel that the project helps you, give something back to > the project (like code or donations) to keep it running, and to keep > it helping YOU. > The developers code and share their code not because they want to be > famous or to receive accolades from the project's users, but because > they are solving the problems that they have an interest. They don't > own the users anything, instead, they give their code for free to > whoever might find it useful. > > Is it so hard to understand that? Leonardo, I've NEVER got any of the code for FREE, I've always paid for it by buying CDs, unlike you who might have done an FTP install, you're a cheap-skate aren't you. Go buy yourself a CD set, contribute to the OpenBSD foundation, or better still, since you are talking about flying pigs, go code up a good application in C for OpenBSD or enhance an existing one. ~Mayuresh