Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
On 5/9/22 4:56 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Hello. Just a rant, not for ports@. I am installing OpenBSD 7.1 right now; this is only a VM, and i want to create / manage ports there. Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have forgotten the details.) Is this still true? So you want to "create/manage" ports in an unsupported environment. What is the "problem" you are trying to solve? This is 2022. Hard drives are measured in hundreds of gigabytes for tiny drives. Current amd64 snapshot, ungzip'd: 21.9M bsd* 22.0M bsd.mp* 4.4M bsd.rd* 592.0M May 11 15:03 base71.tar 265.0M May 11 15:03 comp71.tar 6.3M May 11 15:03 game71.tar 30.5M May 11 15:03 man71.tar 176.0M May 11 15:03 xbase71.tar <-- Not a big deal 35.0M May 11 15:03 xfont71.tar 57.5M May 11 15:03 xserv71.tar 26.6M May 11 15:03 xshare71.tar I think you have a problem with perspective here. All of X (not just xbase) is about 300MB, and just isn't worth worrying about today. What you save by skipping it, you will more than make up for by trying to fix the problems you will make for yourself. Nick.
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
> ... just a rant ... This is not the list you are looking for. Move along, please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmhHyyzh9o
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
Theo de Raadt wrote in
<74991.1652133...@cvs.openbsd.org>:
|I looked very closely, it started like this
|
| "Just a rant"
|
|And I knew the email was coming from a self-centered individual who is
|unhappy with the entirely volunteer work done by others, yet not unhappy
|enough to quit OpenBSD and switch to another operating sytem where
|there will be similar unhappiness because those other systems also won't
|do precisely what you want.
You could have adjusted this a bit after pasting it. ..mumble..
|Your email is not appropriate. If you don't like OpenBSD, use something
Yes that is true, i really do apologise for the yelling.
(I do recognize that some people can make a living from OpenBSD.)
|else, because noone deserves an email which starts with those 3 words
|you chose, and the following complaint is such horseshit in a world
|where disk drives are cheap. I started OpenBSD a quarter of a century
Oh i have 5GB download per 28 days, with max of ~2.7 MB/sec, but
often less. The next two weeks practically nothing now, there are
so many wars, you do not know where to look first.
|ago by spending $3500 for a 300MB drive and ate noodles and tuna for
By then i also ate tuna. I apologise very, very much. Even our
Russian grocery here had to increase prices by 50 percent now,
peas 1,79€/800G, buckwheat 2,89€/800G, and they use a new recipe
for the ice! That is a real shame. Rice and peas i mean, add
fish sauce and a Vietcong would have been your life long friend.
The times they are a-ch-ch-changing.
The Italiens at least kill the tuna by hand, once a year, in that
terrible slaughter session, "Mattanza". That is minimal respect
compared to artificial robotic slaughter experience. Maybe.
|many months to make up for that, and we do not live in a world where you
|get to moan about 55MB, relative to whatever it takes to ease the compli\
|cate
|work undertaken by the ports developers.
I do not even know whether it is still true, i could not find the
"not installed" i remembered when grepping infrastructure/.
It expands to quite a bit more, the OpenBSD VM ended up as a 1.1GB
image (kernel relink objects removed).
It actually came out like 2.5GB first (!; no games etc.), so
i created a second disk and copied over, leaving off the relink
package. This was quite an experience, i thought about sending
a patch to tech@ that shows up the sequence
fdisk -iy /dev/rsd1c
disklabel -F xx -E /dev/sd1c
newfs /dev/rsd1c
installboot -r XROOT /dev/rsd1a
...copy...
in one of the manual pages of the mentioned programs, i had to
read FAQ on the web to get this together.
Especially "installboot -r", when called from the new volume
mounted to /mnt, did not do what i thought or could deduce from my
(fast, superficial) glance at the manual, it complained about
a readlink failure if i recall correctly (maybe empty path;
unfortunately my tmux history of the ncurses qemu output is
sketchy, i think some terminal sequences cause clearance at times,
for example i have
starting RPC daemons:.
savecore: no core dump
checking quotas: done.
clearing /tmp
So that from boot still
o-0701# installboot -v -r /dev/sd
This must be later, but without meaning
8025728d100b2db6.a / ffs rw,wxallowed 1 1
And this is a cat of the generated file
Again i am wasting your time only, of course).
|In short, Steffen, you need to shut up.
Yeah. Well i am from Hessen and back when we Germans were not
cloned Americans but Germanen the name of our tribe here was
Chatten, and i am afraid this could ring a bell, ne? I do have
watched interviews with you and i know you are prowd of your
sensors ('wish i had some, but you know the ones sit at the front
and the others in the back, and so one group just had bad luck).
But our neighbours from Baden-Württemberg produced a nice animated
film of Chatten i think twenty years ago[1], if you like sensors
mayby this could be a nice 5 minute fun. (Sufficient download
provided.) Warning: people named "Tucker" should be careful.
"Hessi James"[1] of Badesalz, voila.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akfz5Fw-pZI=de
|Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
Scary top posting everywhere. At least on OpenBSD people seem to
be free enough to no only inject lots of exhaust in toposphere or
where those fly, but also can freely choose their email client and
use plain-text only, which on other BSDs seems to get rare, maybe
$DAYJOB imposed, of course. All those nice HTML mails.
Ciao.
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
On 2022-05-09, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, > otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have > forgotten the details.) Is this still true? Yes. We don't particularly want to deal with reports of build failures or worse builds which succeeded but are missing features, from people who have decided that they don't need to install all sets but e.g. didn't realise that some non-X software uses freetype or fontconfig (or in the past before it moved from xbase to base, expat). Having this as an error certainly seemed to help.
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
I looked very closely, it started like this "Just a rant" And I knew the email was coming from a self-centered individual who is unhappy with the entirely volunteer work done by others, yet not unhappy enough to quit OpenBSD and switch to another operating sytem where there will be similar unhappiness because those other systems also won't do precisely what you want. Your email is not appropriate. If you don't like OpenBSD, use something else, because noone deserves an email which starts with those 3 words you chose, and the following complaint is such horseshit in a world where disk drives are cheap. I started OpenBSD a quarter of a century ago by spending $3500 for a 300MB drive and ate noodles and tuna for many months to make up for that, and we do not live in a world where you get to moan about 55MB, relative to whatever it takes to ease the complicate work undertaken by the ports developers. In short, Steffen, you need to shut up. Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote in > <36104.1652132...@cvs.openbsd.org>: > |The people who do the work make the decisions. > > Ok i will at least look what i was talking about. > > |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > | > |> Hello. > |> > |> Just a rant, not for ports@. > |> I am installing OpenBSD 7.1 right now; this is only a VM, and > |> i want to create / manage ports there. > |> Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, > |> otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have > |> forgotten the details.) Is this still true? I know i once > |> "hacked" it because for my ports it really was not needed, at > |> least not really. Hm. I think i even posted about this quite > |> some years ago. I have installed xbase now, maybe i even will use > |> it (OpenBSD X is always super proper, i cheered this often; CRUX > |> also, but of course not base-integrated). If not then 55 MB for > |> a file is quite an act. > |> > |> --steffen > |>| > |>|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, > |>|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |>|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |>|(By Robert Gernhardt) > |> > --End of <36104.1652132...@cvs.openbsd.org> > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) >
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
Theo de Raadt wrote in <36104.1652132...@cvs.openbsd.org>: |The people who do the work make the decisions. Ok i will at least look what i was talking about. |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: | |> Hello. |> |> Just a rant, not for ports@. |> I am installing OpenBSD 7.1 right now; this is only a VM, and |> i want to create / manage ports there. |> Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, |> otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have |> forgotten the details.) Is this still true? I know i once |> "hacked" it because for my ports it really was not needed, at |> least not really. Hm. I think i even posted about this quite |> some years ago. I have installed xbase now, maybe i even will use |> it (OpenBSD X is always super proper, i cheered this often; CRUX |> also, but of course not base-integrated). If not then 55 MB for |> a file is quite an act. |> |> --steffen |>| |>|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |>|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |>|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |>|(By Robert Gernhardt) |> --End of <36104.1652132...@cvs.openbsd.org> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
The people who do the work make the decisions. Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Hello. > > Just a rant, not for ports@. > I am installing OpenBSD 7.1 right now; this is only a VM, and > i want to create / manage ports there. > Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, > otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have > forgotten the details.) Is this still true? I know i once > "hacked" it because for my ports it really was not needed, at > least not really. Hm. I think i even posted about this quite > some years ago. I have installed xbase now, maybe i even will use > it (OpenBSD X is always super proper, i cheered this often; CRUX > also, but of course not base-integrated). If not then 55 MB for > a file is quite an act. > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) >
OpenBSD ports require xbase set - still true?
Hello. Just a rant, not for ports@. I am installing OpenBSD 7.1 right now; this is only a VM, and i want to create / manage ports there. Until now whenever i wanted to do this i had to install xbase, otherwise the port makefile complained some. (I am afraid i have forgotten the details.) Is this still true? I know i once "hacked" it because for my ports it really was not needed, at least not really. Hm. I think i even posted about this quite some years ago. I have installed xbase now, maybe i even will use it (OpenBSD X is always super proper, i cheered this often; CRUX also, but of course not base-integrated). If not then 55 MB for a file is quite an act. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
