Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-12 Thread Jeff Quast
On 6/11/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/10/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just as stupid as requiring people have a cert. Lots of people have certs because so many places toss your resume if you don't have MCSE or CCNA listed on it. Just because they have a cert

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-12 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/12/07, Jeff Quast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/11/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/10/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just as stupid as requiring people have a cert. Lots of people have certs because so many places toss your resume if you don't have MCSE or

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-11 Thread bofh
On 6/11/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Admin that really know their stuff, will put them just as an other stone in their knowledge, but sadly most will put it on top and as first to justify they are good and know what you need and these same one will also put in to all their

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-11 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 6/10/07, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just as stupid as requiring people have a cert. Lots of people have certs because so many places toss your resume if you don't have MCSE or CCNA listed on it. Just because they have a cert doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. alot

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-11 Thread Lars Hansson
Diana Eichert wrote: Uggg, certs, I give little credence to any vendor cert. So many people use bootcamps for tests and walk away with little more than paper. I know, I work with them. Indeed. The problem isn't with certification in itself but the way it currently works in the IT

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-11 Thread bofh
On 6/11/07, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. The problem isn't with certification in itself but the way it currently works in the IT industry. The majority of the people with certification got it by going to a boot camp or buying one of them examcram books thus end up with a

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-11 Thread bofh
On 6/11/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alot of anti-cert sentiment. borderline misinformation in some cases. I've interviewed folks with and without certs. I don't know why some people insist on arguing that book != cover[1] with regard to certs. silly. here's a couple points for

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-10 Thread Adam
Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time have show my over and over that candidate that need to justify what they know by papers are not the one that get the job done when you are in crisis and as such, that become my quick filter before the interview as to who not to invite. That's

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Adam wrote: Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time have show my over and over that candidate that need to justify what they know by papers are not the one that get the job done when you are in crisis and as such, that become my quick filter before the interview as to who not to invite.

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-09 Thread dreamwvr
On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 02:28:30AM +0200, Rico Secada wrote: On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:28:08 +0200 Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Rico Secada wrote: What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? It is as useless as MSCE and all the other vendor

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-09 Thread Diana Eichert
Uggg, certs, I give little credence to any vendor cert. So many people use bootcamps for tests and walk away with little more than paper. I know, I work with them. I'm proud to say I'm darn near uneducated, besides the 15 month tech certificate in Optics/Photonics I received from a local

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-09 Thread Daniel Ouellet
dreamwvr wrote: Just my 2 cents. Personally there is nothing wrong with making money. What I find sad is when that becomes the only way to enter the fray. For example the CISSP certification cost quite a bit and is used as a secret handshake by quite a few corps. It is the tip of the iceberg

About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Rico Secada
Hi What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? Is this a good idea? From my perspective it looks like a smart marketing way. A way to make money from people who think this would help in some way. Taking a certification doesn't prove anything imho. And the way

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Rico Secada wrote: Hi What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? i think it gives me a massive erection. the quality of an admin is measurable directly as a function of the extraneous certifications they have, duh! Is this a good idea? From my

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Darren Spruell
On 6/8/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? Is this a good idea? From my perspective it looks like a smart marketing way. A way to make money from people who think this would help in some way. Read up about the

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Almir Karic
On 6/8/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking a certification doesn't prove anything imho. And the way that they focus on the 4 different BSD's.. you could have someone being an expert in OpenBSD yet he has never used DragonflyBSD, would this make him less interesting to hire for a BSD

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Marc Balmer
* Rico Secada wrote: What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? It is as useless as MSCE and all the other vendor certificates. I would even go so far to claim it's a lot worse than a Microsoft or Cisco certificate. This is not backed by any industry, it just

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/8/07, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Rico Secada wrote: What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? It is as useless as MSCE and all the other vendor certificates. I would even go so far to claim it's a lot worse than a Microsoft or Cisco

Re: About BSD Certification

2007-06-08 Thread Rico Secada
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:28:08 +0200 Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Rico Secada wrote: What do you think of The BSD Certification Group at bsdcertification.org? It is as useless as MSCE and all the other vendor certificates. I would even go so far to claim it's a lot worse than a