Re: Apple hardware support?
On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:19 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Mike Erdely wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Tasmanian Devil wrote: The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). This is not true. At least it has been reported that the MacBook Pro with Core Due 2 processor does not run. Tas is right. I have my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo dual booting with OS X and OpenBSD (snap around 3/10). I _think_ my installation process was this (since I didn't do make release with -current): 1. Install 4.0 from the CD. 2. Copy an ACPI-enabled bsd.rd to a CDROM, boot to OpenBSD and copy to the hard drive. 3. Reboot and boot to bsd.rd and install the snapshot using FTP. That's different than the report fom Jason Dixon. He was trying current bsd.rd. Anyway, as you mention some problems remain. To me the most annyoing is the UKC prompt not working, which means you can't enable ACPI on a stock bsd.rd and you have to compile a bsd.rd with ACPI enabled. Actually, mine was a Core Duo like yours. I no longer have this laptop, but it's still in the family (Darrin Chandler). Other than that my MacBook (with Core Duo (no 2)) works quite ok, apart from the sound and wireless, which do not work. Even X works, but you'll have to use the 915 resolution port to get native resolution. The broken UKC is certainly an obstacle. Since both of you have gotten it working on Core [2] Duo MacBook Pro's, I lean towards user error. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Apple hardware support?
Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? I can't imagine it would be particularly hard; there'd need to be a way of loading and running a kernel via EFI, and then tweaking the hardware detection. The reason why I ask is that I've been eyeing the new Apple TV with a certain amount of interest. For only 150 UKP, you get a rather nice little box with very low power requirements and some decent hardware, which would be ideal as a home server. And I know the hardware is very similar to the Macbook. And, of course, the best server software is OpenBSD. -- b bb o=o=o o=o=o=o= o=o=o= oo=o=o= bbb http://www.cowlark.com bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b Thou who might be our Father, who perhaps may be in Heaven, hallowed be b Thy Name, if Name Thou hast and any desire to see it hallowed... --- b _Creatures of Light and Darkness_ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Apple hardware support?
On 3/29/07, David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? Scan the freakin' email archives. There are several recent notes about the laptops, nothing about the AppleTV yet that I've noticed. Greg
Re: Apple hardware support?
Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). I can't imagine it would be particularly hard; there'd need to be a way of loading and running a kernel via EFI, and then tweaking the hardware detection. EFI emulates a normal PC BIOS if there's no Mac OS X on the harddisk. OpenBSD boots fine (though it doesn't feel like booting if no monitor is attached, but you can emulate one easily with a dongle, and automatic restart on power failure needs a little software trick). And, of course, the best server software is OpenBSD. That's true! :-) Tas.
Re: Apple hardware support?
Scan the freakin' email archives. There are several recent notes about the laptops, nothing about the AppleTV yet that I've noticed. I just searched a bit about this Apple TV: It might be necessary to remove the harddisk to copy OpenBSD on it, but otherwise it could work (as a server, not as a multimedia device). An interesting link I found: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/E1D8A057-6FBB-4269-A348-27AF9010FB19.html Tas.
Re: Apple hardware support?
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, David Given wrote: Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? I can't imagine it would be particularly hard; there'd need to be a way of loading and running a kernel via EFI, and then tweaking the hardware detection. Work on your imagination and don't jump to conclusions. Apple managed to make i386 hardware that is slightly different than other PC hardware and with it own set of quircks/bugs. Some progress has been made, but depending on the model and processor (e.g. Core Duo vs Core Duo 2) the Apple Intels either works mostly or don't work (yet). The reason why I ask is that I've been eyeing the new Apple TV with a certain amount of interest. For only 150 UKP, you get a rather nice little box with very low power requirements and some decent hardware, which would be ideal as a home server. And I know the hardware is very similar to the Macbook. And, of course, the best server software is OpenBSD. Similar hardware is not enough to know. The devil is in the details. Sending an Apple TV to an interested developer might speed things up. -Otto
Re: Apple hardware support?
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Tasmanian Devil wrote: Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). This is not true. At least it has been reported that the MacBook Pro with Core Due 2 processor does not run. I can't imagine it would be particularly hard; there'd need to be a way of loading and running a kernel via EFI, and then tweaking the hardware detection. EFI emulates a normal PC BIOS if there's no Mac OS X on the harddisk. OpenBSD boots fine (though it doesn't feel like booting if no monitor is attached, but you can emulate one easily with a dongle, and automatic restart on power failure needs a little software trick). BTW, you can install OpenBSD on a BootCamp partition. After creating the Bootcamp partition using the wizard, boot using the OpenBSD CD, and in the fdisk step in the installer, set the partition type to A6, make it active and update the MBR. -Otto
Re: Apple hardware support?
Is there anyone working on porting OpenBSD to Intel Apple hardware? Such as the Macbook? The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). This is not true. At least it has been reported that the MacBook Pro with Core Due 2 processor does not run. Oh, sorry, I didn't know that. Thank you for correcting me! Tas.
Re: Apple hardware support?
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Tasmanian Devil wrote: The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). This is not true. At least it has been reported that the MacBook Pro with Core Due 2 processor does not run. Tas is right. I have my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo dual booting with OS X and OpenBSD (snap around 3/10). I _think_ my installation process was this (since I didn't do make release with -current): 1. Install 4.0 from the CD. 2. Copy an ACPI-enabled bsd.rd to a CDROM, boot to OpenBSD and copy to the hard drive. 3. Reboot and boot to bsd.rd and install the snapshot using FTP. Note: Wifi did not work. Video used VESA driver. I didn't test much else. Next time I get a chance, I'll send a dmesg to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, you can install OpenBSD on a BootCamp partition. After creating the Bootcamp partition using the wizard, boot using the OpenBSD CD, and in the fdisk step in the installer, set the partition type to A6, make it active and update the MBR. I did this. -ME
Re: Apple hardware support?
Mike Erdely wrote: [...] Tas is right. I have my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo dual booting with OS X and OpenBSD (snap around 3/10). I _think_ my installation process was this (since I didn't do make release with -current): 1. Install 4.0 from the CD. 2. Copy an ACPI-enabled bsd.rd to a CDROM, boot to OpenBSD and copy to the hard drive. 3. Reboot and boot to bsd.rd and install the snapshot using FTP. Note: Wifi did not work. Video used VESA driver. I didn't test much else. Next time I get a chance, I'll send a dmesg to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good to know --- that means there's probably enough there to work, although there's no guarantee that the Apple TV uses sane hardware with OpenBSD drivers. It's also worth pointing out that the Apple EFI implementation is... uh... basic, and doesn't have things in it like the EFI shell, and until recently didn't even have the legacy BIOS emulation. Which means there's no guarantee that the Apple TV has it. Which means I may need a mechanism for booting the OpenBSD kernel directly from EFI --- I don't suppose anyone has been thinking about this? Or GPT partition table support? If I'm really lucky the Apple TV EFI implementation will have a legacy BIOS that will happily boot an MBR disk if it sees one. Do I really think that'll happen? Hell no. I suppose the only thing to do would be to get one and try it. There only mention of Apple on the website is in relation to the macppc port, BTW. -- b bb o=o=o o=o=o=o= o=o=o= oo=o=o= bbb http://www.cowlark.com bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b Parents let children ride bicycles on the street. But parents do not b allow children to hear vulgar words. Therefore we can deduce that cursing b is more dangerous than being hit by a car. --- Scott Adams [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Apple hardware support?
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Mike Erdely wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Tasmanian Devil wrote: The i386 GENERIC.MP kernel runs fine on Intel Macs. You just need to enable ACPI with config -ef bsd.mp (or on the boot prompt). This is not true. At least it has been reported that the MacBook Pro with Core Due 2 processor does not run. Tas is right. I have my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo dual booting with OS X and OpenBSD (snap around 3/10). I _think_ my installation process was this (since I didn't do make release with -current): 1. Install 4.0 from the CD. 2. Copy an ACPI-enabled bsd.rd to a CDROM, boot to OpenBSD and copy to the hard drive. 3. Reboot and boot to bsd.rd and install the snapshot using FTP. That's different than the report fom Jason Dixon. He was trying current bsd.rd. Anyway, as you mention some problems remain. To me the most annyoing is the UKC prompt not working, which means you can't enable ACPI on a stock bsd.rd and you have to compile a bsd.rd with ACPI enabled. Other than that my MacBook (with Core Duo (no 2)) works quite ok, apart from the sound and wireless, which do not work. Even X works, but you'll have to use the 915 resolution port to get native resolution. -Otto Note: Wifi did not work. Video used VESA driver. I didn't test much else. Next time I get a chance, I'll send a dmesg to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, you can install OpenBSD on a BootCamp partition. After creating the Bootcamp partition using the wizard, boot using the OpenBSD CD, and in the fdisk step in the installer, set the partition type to A6, make it active and update the MBR. I did this. -ME
