Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-09 Thread bofh
On 6/8/07, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i'm going to be different and say 3 months, but probably much less than that. Not to be an expert, or even a competent sysadmin, in my case. It was 1992, and I was working the VMS hell desk for the school as a student worker. Heard about this

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-09 Thread a666
Like the other guy said 4-5 years. And that I would say I'm above intermediate level but not an advanced level. I don't look at it so much as how long to master OpenBSD but how long to master Unix! I read somewhere when I first started learning Unix, that no knows everything there is to know

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/8/07, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/8/07, Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' > OpenBSD or a similar OS. With 'master' I mean you have all skills > to configure and use the system. You know reguar expres

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Ted Unangst
On 6/8/07, Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' OpenBSD or a similar OS. With 'master' I mean you have all skills to configure and use the system. You know reguar expressions, thorough cli skills like pipes/vi/mg/scripts etc.

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread John Rodenbiker
On Jun 8, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Pieter Verberne wrote: Hi there OpenBSD users, I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' OpenBSD or a similar OS. About 10 years through deliberate practice, just like any other complex area of study. See "The Role of Deliberate Practice

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Pieter Verberne wrote: Hi there OpenBSD users, I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' OpenBSD or a similar OS. With 'master' I mean you have all skills to configure and use the system. You know reguar expressions, thorough cli skills like pipes/vi/mg/scripts etc. P

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Steve Shockley
Pieter Verberne wrote: I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' OpenBSD or a similar OS. Twelve years.

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' > OpenBSD or a similar OS. Back when I started out with Unix, in the early 1990s, people told me it would take ten years to master sysadmin skills. You can quibble about that figure, bu

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:53:12 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 08 June 2007 15:49:22 Jason Dixon wrote: >> jdixon@ has been known to, yes. > > Excellent! > He should be called Julius then, not Jason. Et tu, Antoine? -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dix

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Friday 08 June 2007 15:49:22 Jason Dixon wrote: > jdixon@ has been known to, yes. Excellent! He should be called Julius then, not Jason. ;) -- Antoine

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:08:50 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lol... do you speak about yourself in the third person? jdixon@ has been known to, yes. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Friday 08 June 2007 14:59:16 you wrote: > It's very much in full swing. Beta exams were given at BSDCan and > LinuxTAG. There is some OpenBSD representation on the BSDCG (Certification > Group), including wim@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol... do you speak about yourself in the third person? ;-)

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:36:35 -0400, Josh Grosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At one time, there was a BSD certification program in development. I'm > not > sure where things stand, but they do have a website: > > http://www.bsdcertification.org/ It's very much in full swing. Beta exams were g

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread stuart van Zee
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Pieter Verberne > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:59 AM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD > > > Hi there OpenBSD users, > > I w

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Josh Grosse
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: > I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' > OpenBSD or a similar OS 30 seconds. What's taking you so long? :) -> Seriously, this is an unanswerable question, since the definition of "master" is i

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Jussi Peltola
4-5 years, but I'm still learning lots and lots every day. It really depends a lot on the definition of "mastering", since using an OS also requires understanding the real world situation where you use the OS in. I felt at home on *nix after 2-3 years, which I think is something easier to define.

Re: How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:58:37 +0200, Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there OpenBSD users, > > I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' > OpenBSD or a similar OS. With 'master' I mean you have all skills > to configure and use the system. You know reguar expre

How much time to 'master' OpenBSD

2007-06-08 Thread Pieter Verberne
Hi there OpenBSD users, I wonder how much time it took for the average person to 'master' OpenBSD or a similar OS. With 'master' I mean you have all skills to configure and use the system. You know reguar expressions, thorough cli skills like pipes/vi/mg/scripts etc. Probably most would say tha