Re: Live stick / cd from official sources
On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 08:20:42AM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: > My student was still safe dispite it and I'm working all night long... > > I'm derty (groomy). I'm tasty (smelling). Ouch, that's scaryy ! This isn't a social media platform, and treating it as such is discourteous to other list members who don't have time to read small talk. Please read: https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
Re: Live stick / cd from official sources
My student was still safe dispite it and I'm working all night long... I'm derty (groomy). I'm tasty (smelling). Ouch, that's scaryy ! Feb 10, 2023 06:44:26 Michael Hekeler : The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially I hanged manually the booting process. The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS >>> >>> If you just want to stop these messages from filling your logs you can >>> boot into UKC mode by entering -c at the boot prompt: >>> UKC> disable acpi >>> UKC> quit >>> >>> >>> ...(not a real solution but more a quick fix) >>> >>> >> >> This is bad advice. ACPI may be needed for thermal management, interrupt >> routing, and maybe other things. These "not configured" >> devices are unlikely to be a problem. > > indeed this is NOT a good advice of mine. > @Daniele B. please ignore my last message.
Re: Live stick / cd from official sources
Am 08.02.23 13:06 schrieb Stuart Henderson: > On 2023-02-08, Michael Hekeler wrote: > > Am 04.02.23 17:48 schrieb Daniele B.: > >> Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. > >> > >> The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it > >> together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the > >> "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". > >> Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant > >> fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. > >> Precautially > >> I hanged manually the booting process. > >> > >> The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: > >> > >> "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured > >> > >> "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > >> > >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > >> > >> acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > >> acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > >> acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > >> acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > > > > If you just want to stop these messages from filling your logs you can > > boot into UKC mode by entering -c at the boot prompt: > > UKC> disable acpi > > UKC> quit > > > > > > ...(not a real solution but more a quick fix) > > > > > > This is bad advice. ACPI may be needed for thermal management,interrupt > routing, and maybe other things. These "not configured" > devices are unlikely to be a problem. indeed this is NOT a good advice of mine. @Daniele B. please ignore my last message.
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On 2023-02-08, Michael Hekeler wrote: > Am 04.02.23 17:48 schrieb Daniele B.: >> Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. >> >> The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it >> together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the >> "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". >> Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant >> fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially >> I hanged manually the booting process. >> >> The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: >> >> "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured >> >> "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured >> >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured >> "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured >> >> acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS >> acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS >> acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS >> acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > > If you just want to stop these messages from filling your logs you can > boot into UKC mode by entering -c at the boot prompt: > UKC> disable acpi > UKC> quit > > > ...(not a real solution but more a quick fix) > > This is bad advice. ACPI may be needed for thermal management,interrupt routing, and maybe other things. These "not configured" devices are unlikely to be a problem. -- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
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Thanks for the tip, I'm going to check it out. -- Daniele Bonini Feb 8, 2023 13:36:31 Michael Hekeler : > If you just want to stop these messages from filling your logs you can > boot into UKC mode by entering -c at the boot prompt: > UKC> disable acpi > UKC> quit > > > ...(not a real solution but more a quick fix)
Re: Live stick / cd from official sources
Am 04.02.23 17:48 schrieb Daniele B.: > Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. > > The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it > together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the > "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". > Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant > fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially > I hanged manually the booting process. > > The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: > > "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured > > "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > > acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS If you just want to stop these messages from filling your logs you can boot into UKC mode by entering -c at the boot prompt: UKC> disable acpi UKC> quit ...(not a real solution but more a quick fix)
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On Sat, Feb 04, 2023 at 05:48:15PM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: > Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. No need to cc: me. I's subscribed to misc@. > The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it > together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the > "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". > Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant > fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially > I hanged manually the booting process. I've had a lot of hardware that would start the fans full blast during the early parts of the boot proces, but would quiet down once everything was fully loaded. Or after you have configured apmd(8) properly. I would not worry overmuch over this by and on itself. > The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: partial dmesges are by definition a waste of time. Please send the full one, or perhaps rather full sendbug output. > And for your own concerns: > azalia0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 "Intel Core 4G HD Audio" rev 0x06: msi > azalia0: No codecs found whether this is significant depends on the specific role you were thinking of assigning to this machine. It looks like this is a new variant of Intel audio. The developers who work with that part of the code on a daily basis will be able to offer insights with a full sendbug output sent to bugs@. They all read bugs@, whether anything posted on misc@ actually reaches a relevant developer is more hit or miss. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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post the full dmesg On Feb 04 17:48:15, my2...@aol.com wrote: > Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. > > The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it > together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the > "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". > Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant > fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially > I hanged manually the booting process. > > The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: > > "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured > > "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured > > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured > > acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS > > cpu0: using Broadwell MDS workaround > > And for your own concerns: > azalia0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 "Intel Core 4G HD Audio" rev 0x06: msi > azalia0: No codecs found > > Thanks! > -- Daniele Bonini > > Feb 1, 2023 23:24:20 Daniele B. : > > > Just a small boot summary to attach to the thread.. > > > > ( I'm not that easy to share more about my config and sorry about that) > > > > The Fujitsu mini-pc has a custom made Ami Bios configuration. > > > > It went immidiately up and running although with some "not configured" > > hello! > > that didn't impact the correct system launch in all its main components. > > > > The software configuration instead had a serious problem with Netbeans Ide > > that was not able to > > open and it crashed just after the splash. Unfortunately, I'm sure the > > problem is related to the hardware conf > > change that somehow was referenced in the local files (cache, user conf or > > both) that I erased to > > left Netbeans regenerating them. Between the hardware changes that I care > > most: > > - cpu0 -> acpitz0 in the sensors > > - the name of the ethernet (java somehow likes the net) > > > > Cosmetic stuff: I cut off xorg.conf device "overclocking" parameters to a > > standard configuration to > > get the new video card much more speedy: my xorg.conf was aged and probably > > xorg has already been > > optimized to survive best without "my optimal hints". > > > > :D > > > > -- Daniele Bonini > > > > Feb 1, 2023 12:48:45 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > > > >> On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 12:36:18PM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: > >>> The mini-pc arrived in three working days, from Germany to Italy. 30 > >>> bucks of DHL delivery but.. > >>> I could be certainly happy of such a service.. > >>> > >>> (although at time I can't still be sure about the possibility to openbsd > >>> it..). > >>> > >>> Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? > >>> > >>> I will update you to bugs@ as soon I can boot this mini-pc, hopefully > >>> I will not :D > >> > >> As several of us have said already, more likely than not the install will > >> be easy and > >> straightforward. If it isn't, bugs@ is the place to report. > >> > >> And anyway as soon as you have the thing running, sending the dmesg as > >> described > >> in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#SendDmesg will be much > >> appreciated. > >> > >> - Peter > >> > >> -- > >> Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > >> https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ > >> "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > >> delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. > >
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Sorry if I bother you again with the thread. The minipc will be on business from tomorrow and I will use it together with a little student of mine: it is enough critical that the "not configured" hello! doesn't reppresent anything "risky". Eg: I tried to tweak the custom bios of Fujitsu for a more perfomant fan/cpu but the machine started litterally to fly while booting. Precautially I hanged manually the booting process. The part of dmesg I'm wondering about is the following: "FUJ02E3" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C32" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C14" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured acpicpu0 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C1(@1 halt!), PSS cpu0: using Broadwell MDS workaround And for your own concerns: azalia0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 "Intel Core 4G HD Audio" rev 0x06: msi azalia0: No codecs found Thanks! -- Daniele Bonini Feb 1, 2023 23:24:20 Daniele B. : > Just a small boot summary to attach to the thread.. > > ( I'm not that easy to share more about my config and sorry about that) > > The Fujitsu mini-pc has a custom made Ami Bios configuration. > > It went immidiately up and running although with some "not configured" hello! > that didn't impact the correct system launch in all its main components. > > The software configuration instead had a serious problem with Netbeans Ide > that was not able to > open and it crashed just after the splash. Unfortunately, I'm sure the > problem is related to the hardware conf > change that somehow was referenced in the local files (cache, user conf or > both) that I erased to > left Netbeans regenerating them. Between the hardware changes that I care > most: > - cpu0 -> acpitz0 in the sensors > - the name of the ethernet (java somehow likes the net) > > Cosmetic stuff: I cut off xorg.conf device "overclocking" parameters to a > standard configuration to > get the new video card much more speedy: my xorg.conf was aged and probably > xorg has already been > optimized to survive best without "my optimal hints". > > :D > > -- Daniele Bonini > > Feb 1, 2023 12:48:45 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > >> On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 12:36:18PM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: >>> The mini-pc arrived in three working days, from Germany to Italy. 30 bucks >>> of DHL delivery but.. >>> I could be certainly happy of such a service.. >>> >>> (although at time I can't still be sure about the possibility to openbsd >>> it..). >>> >>> Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? >>> >>> I will update you to bugs@ as soon I can boot this mini-pc, hopefully >>> I will not :D >> >> As several of us have said already, more likely than not the install will be >> easy and >> straightforward. If it isn't, bugs@ is the place to report. >> >> And anyway as soon as you have the thing running, sending the dmesg as >> described >> in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#SendDmesg will be much appreciated. >> >> - Peter >> >> -- >> Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team >> https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ >> "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" >> delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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Just a small boot summary to attach to the thread.. ( I'm not that easy to share more about my config and sorry about that) The Fujitsu mini-pc has a custom made Ami Bios configuration. It went immidiately up and running although with some "not configured" hello! that didn't impact the correct system launch in all its main components. The software configuration instead had a serious problem with Netbeans Ide that was not able to open and it crashed just after the splash. Unfortunately, I'm sure the problem is related to the hardware conf change that somehow was referenced in the local files (cache, user conf or both) that I erased to left Netbeans regenerating them. Between the hardware changes that I care most: - cpu0 -> acpitz0 in the sensors - the name of the ethernet (java somehow likes the net) Cosmetic stuff: I cut off xorg.conf device "overclocking" parameters to a standard configuration to get the new video card much more speedy: my xorg.conf was aged and probably xorg has already been optimized to survive best without "my optimal hints". :D -- Daniele Bonini Feb 1, 2023 12:48:45 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 12:36:18PM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: >> The mini-pc arrived in three working days, from Germany to Italy. 30 bucks >> of DHL delivery but.. >> I could be certainly happy of such a service.. >> >> (although at time I can't still be sure about the possibility to openbsd >> it..). >> >> Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? >> >> I will update you to bugs@ as soon I can boot this mini-pc, hopefully >> I will not :D > > As several of us have said already, more likely than not the install will be > easy and > straightforward. If it isn't, bugs@ is the place to report. > > And anyway as soon as you have the thing running, sending the dmesg as > described > in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#SendDmesg will be much appreciated. > > - Peter > > -- > Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ > "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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On Feb 01 12:36:18, my2...@aol.com wrote: > is it so ridiculous to ask a system test to boot in graphical mode in > 2.5 min to care about it? In the time it took you to write these emeils, you could have a _full_install_ on a USB stick, including X and everything.
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Daniele B. writes: > Thanks for this one, Bodie. > > In my little, simple prospective from year 2023 there is the hope that we are > going to overcome soon > all these sayings we are telling us about *nix. The way such shortcomings might be overcome is to produce the code which replaces or fixes them. > And however, my opinion, ... is irrelevant, and moreover unintersting. Your opinion is not interpreted by my CPU, which interprets code. > Obviously it is my own interest Indeed. And your own interest will be best served by writing your own code. > is it so ridiculous to ask Yes. And also rude. Your hardware, your money, your use. You make sure it works for you. It's nobody else's responsibility to write the code for their own hardware. > I think that we should shorten this "formal gap" also because, Assuming this formal gap --- I didn't read that --- is related to software you're given for free not doing something you want it to do, you'd close this gap by writing the code to make it do so. > Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? There is no need to rearrange anything, you just need to write the code. It's really not rocket science. Matthew
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On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 12:36:18PM +0100, Daniele B. wrote: > The mini-pc arrived in three working days, from Germany to Italy. 30 bucks of > DHL delivery but.. > I could be certainly happy of such a service.. > > (although at time I can't still be sure about the possibility to openbsd > it..). > > Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? > > I will update you to bugs@ as soon I can boot this mini-pc, hopefully > I will not :D As several of us have said already, more likely than not the install will be easy and straightforward. If it isn't, bugs@ is the place to report. And anyway as soon as you have the thing running, sending the dmesg as described in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#SendDmesg will be much appreciated. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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Thanks for this one, Bodie. In my little, simple prospective from year 2023 there is the hope that we are going to overcome soon all these sayings we are telling us about *nix. They are correct but we can't neither leave it to the word of mouth or to the industry reception.. I think we could turn to be positive and serve to the consumers of OpenBSD this live image.. Then I can't guess ie. if becuase this "industry reception" other interests exist I neither want to know it. And however, my opinion, we should respect also those small shops that turn to be so business oriented while downsizing a reality like the OpenBSD one they care about to supply you a cheap and running system, to make you happy. Obviously it is my own interest too that an hardware shop cares about my own stuff but try to be honest with yourself.. is it so ridiculous to ask a system test to boot in graphical mode in 2.5 min to care about it? Anyway now let me go Off Topiiic - for they joy of those tirans who read me - to describe you more how this business from Germany run, as I.. just received the mici-pc! First, they run a very nice portal with one of the few pc and mici hardware configurators that I know. Second, they sell on Amazon too, where I originally got about them. I like a lot also the fact they sell system with dated but decent processors to keep down the price. What I like less is maybe they pretend to speak mostly german, or not speak at all. As I said, they marked my product delivered almost immediately, I believe, and I could be wrong, they didn't tested it against OpenBSD by choise. The mini-pc arrived in three working days, from Germany to Italy. 30 bucks of DHL delivery but.. I could be certainly happy of such a service.. This is the unboxing of this morning: https://5md.at/l/unbox1 https://5md.at/l/unbox2 https://5md.at/l/unbox3 https://5md.at/l/unbox4 Anything wrong? Windows and Linux made them foolish? I think that we should shorten this "formal gap" also because, indeed and correctly people think and behave differently for they own reasons. And, it is not to support them without a reason: I personally pay much respect to people like these one who point to "serve" you in such rare conditions (although at time I can't still be sure about the possibility to openbsd it..). Can we arrange these situation in a better bsd fashion? I will update you to bugs@ as soon I can boot this mini-pc, hopefully I will not :D -- Daniele Bonini
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On 30.1.2023 10:32, my25mb wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry to nock the door of this mailing-list so unexpectedly! :-) I'm now dealing with an hardware supplier of mine from Germany and soon arise the problem that, yes, I want a new cheap minipc that I lucky found.. but I can't test its compatibility with OpenBSD its purchase from Italy, and it comes by a proprietary format by a certain brand! Did you ever hear about that kind of problem? So, with a little of "imaginationz" I searched Internet for an OpenBSD live cd that I lucky found: https://liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.io/ So, next question became: is it something I can trust and suggest to my supplier? I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible" to have an official live stick/cd on openbsd.org to simplify "my" relationship and existance with these mysterious hardware systems :-). Thanks and good day to everyone. Daniele BoniniPS: I guess the topic could be already proposed but unfortunately I tried to check the FAQ without luck: page doesn't exist error. Your "problems" were described already in the past even in songs https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 Trying to support companies which continue with this practice is just huge waste of money on your end and waste of time here. Same as non-functional security by obscurity these companies try to run business by obscurity. In long run that is a fail as well. During all of this time and discussions you could have your own live CD already for that company and people provided info how. It is even easier then on Linux and so company which claims to have some support for Linux is supposed to easily do that. BUT in reality it's like many of those companies. They write about support of Windows/Linux on their HW while in fact they do know nothing about Linux and Unix-like in general and it is just by proprietary stuff in Linux kernel that their HW is running it. Often with funny remarks on their pages like that Linux kernel 2.6.x is supported and such :-) Only Windows will simplify your relationships with such systems. And either you accept it or not and then use some other HW. Focus on the proper one which allows you to use it, learn it, code on it and so on.
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On 2023-01-31, daniele bonini wrote: > > Thank you for this one. > I need to underline that Androd Mail never gave me problems until now, apart > your mlists.So this is the right time to pay check: http://XXX.at/l/dona1 :-) Err, wtf? Can you keep a bit closer to the topic of OpenBSD on this list please.
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Eventually next thread I will ask directly to get passional exchanges with the receptionist of the ceo ;D -- Daniele Bonini Il giorno 31 Gen 2023, 08:19, alle ore 08:19, Janne Johansson ha scritto: >Den tis 31 jan. 2023 kl 08:03 skrev Daniele B. : >> Thank you for the courtesy, Janne. >> I KINDLY reply in three points that maybe you are missing: >> >> 1) I just paid 216€, by MY wallet, to a german shop for a minipc >> that was set "delivered" to me without being tested by an >> "official livecd" that doesn't exist. > >Those money you spent went to... > >> 2) Since 2015 I'm and unpaid worker like you, I'm really starving >> and I pray to make me a donation: http://5md.at/l/dona1 > >Still doesn't allow you to make demands of openbsd devs. > >> 3) Since 2012 I'm classified as an OpenBSD user. > >Still doesn't allow you to make demands of openbsd devs. > >3 points on why life is tough for you, and 0 on why anyone else should >do work for you. > >-- >May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
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Den tis 31 jan. 2023 kl 08:03 skrev Daniele B. : > Thank you for the courtesy, Janne. > I KINDLY reply in three points that maybe you are missing: > > 1) I just paid 216€, by MY wallet, to a german shop for a minipc > that was set "delivered" to me without being tested by an > "official livecd" that doesn't exist. Those money you spent went to... > 2) Since 2015 I'm and unpaid worker like you, I'm really starving > and I pray to make me a donation: http://5md.at/l/dona1 Still doesn't allow you to make demands of openbsd devs. > 3) Since 2012 I'm classified as an OpenBSD user. Still doesn't allow you to make demands of openbsd devs. 3 points on why life is tough for you, and 0 on why anyone else should do work for you. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
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Thank you for the courtesy, Janne. I KINDLY reply in three points that maybe you are missing: 1) I just paid 216€, by MY wallet, to a german shop for a minipc that was set "delivered" to me without being tested by an "official livecd" that doesn't exist. 2) Since 2015 I'm and unpaid worker like you, I'm really starving and I pray to make me a donation: http://5md.at/l/dona1 3) Since 2012 I'm classified as an OpenBSD user. And word of mouth.. 'cause you memorable choise I finally can deal with my minipc technical problems by just sending some reports to bugs@. Alleluja PS: your "you can hope all you want" is maybe for your little bro.. with all the respect due to unpaid workers like me. -- Daniele Bonini Il giorno 31 Gen 2023, 07:17, alle ore 07:17, Janne Johansson ha scritto: >Den mån 30 jan. 2023 kl 21:21 skrev my25mb : >>Ok, I did read all your observations and I want to thank you for your >time.Like an openbsd user I do not think particularly enthusiast of >>your opinion aboutnot having a "rentable" live image to test >[openbsd-boot: ok] anyway I remain optimist you can change your mind by >>ie. a sudden lightning fingers crossedMeanwhile let's see if >this reply is readable ;-) > >You seem to be totally missing the point. > >The people that do all the unpaid work to produce OpenBSD have decided >to not produce what you think you need. > >Some of them have offered alternate working solutions that are quick >for you to run through, but you still ask for the unpaid workers to do >more unpaid work for you. You can hope all you want, but your chances >of succeeding seems rather low by now, after some 50+ releases and no >"live cd" having been made so far. > >-- >May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
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Den mån 30 jan. 2023 kl 21:21 skrev my25mb : >Ok, I did read all your observations and I want to thank you for your >time.Like an openbsd user I do not think particularly enthusiast of >your >opinion aboutnot having a "rentable" live image to test [openbsd-boot: ok] >anyway I remain optimist you can change your mind by >ie. a sudden >lightning fingers crossedMeanwhile let's see if this reply is readable >;-) You seem to be totally missing the point. The people that do all the unpaid work to produce OpenBSD have decided to not produce what you think you need. Some of them have offered alternate working solutions that are quick for you to run through, but you still ask for the unpaid workers to do more unpaid work for you. You can hope all you want, but your chances of succeeding seems rather low by now, after some 50+ releases and no "live cd" having been made so far. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
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Thanks for the support, punctuation problem solved at my side.. -- Daniele Bonini On Jan 31, 2023, 02:35, at 02:35, daniele bonini wrote: > >Thank you for this one. >I need to underline that Androd Mail never gave me problems until now, >apart your mlists.So this is the right time to pay check: >http://5md.at/l/dona1 :-) >Just in case, for an additional Android mail client do you have any >suggestion apart *Outlook* ? >GMX doesnt mail from external accounts, I need almost read receipts, >eheh.. > >-Original Message- >From: Stuart Henderson >To: misc@openbsd.org >Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 1:10 am >Subject: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources > >On 2023-01-30, daniele bonini wrote: >> The interesting news is that in to Aol my sent email are saved >correctly.So, the "smart" guy seems scanning your Majordomo instance. > >The mailing list strips text/html attachments, the text/plain >part from your original mail probably has some issues.
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TypeApp Mail rendering: Here're my crs oh my -- Daniele Bonini On Jan 31, 2023, 02:35, at 02:35, daniele bonini wrote: > >Thank you for this one. >I need to underline that Androd Mail never gave me problems until now, >apart your mlists.So this is the right time to pay check: >http://5md.at/l/dona1 :-) >Just in case, for an additional Android mail client do you have any >suggestion apart *Outlook* ? >GMX doesnt mail from external accounts, I need almost read receipts, >eheh.. > >-Original Message- >From: Stuart Henderson >To: misc@openbsd.org >Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 1:10 am >Subject: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources > >On 2023-01-30, daniele bonini wrote: >> The interesting news is that in to Aol my sent email are saved >correctly.So, the "smart" guy seems scanning your Majordomo instance. > >The mailing list strips text/html attachments, the text/plain >part from your original mail probably has some issues.
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Thank you for this one. I need to underline that Androd Mail never gave me problems until now, apart your mlists.So this is the right time to pay check: http://5md.at/l/dona1 :-) Just in case, for an additional Android mail client do you have any suggestion apart *Outlook* ? GMX doesnt mail from external accounts, I need almost read receipts, eheh.. -Original Message- From: Stuart Henderson To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2023 1:10 am Subject: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources On 2023-01-30, daniele bonini wrote: > The interesting news is that in to Aol my sent email are saved correctly.So, > the "smart" guy seems scanning your Majordomo instance. The mailing list strips text/html attachments, the text/plain part from your original mail probably has some issues.
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On 2023-01-30, daniele bonini wrote: > The interesting news is that in to Aol my sent email are saved correctly.So, > the "smart" guy seems scanning your Majordomo instance. The mailing list strips text/html attachments, the text/plain part from your original mail probably has some issues.
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Trying from Aol web mail. The interesting news is that in to Aol my sent email are saved correctly.So, the "smart" guy seems scanning your Majordomo instance. -Original Message- From: my25mb To: misc@openbsd.org; owner-m...@openbsd.org Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2023 10:47 pm Subject: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources Sorry for that. My first message was quite fine and it sounds like someone is addressing my carriage returns on my ip address in a funny way.. I will check this behavior with you and eventually I will limit my posts if I decide to remain in the list. Messaggio originale Da: Jan Stary Data: 30/01/23 21:49 (GMT+01:00) A: my25mb Oggetto: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources On Jan 30 21:18:58, my2...@aol.com wrote: > >I think I can safely say there is no chance whatsoever of OpenBSD >linking > >to third-party builds of the OS.Dissemination prb? I can't really guess > >it :DOk, I did read all your observations and I want to thank you for > >your time.Like an openbsd user I do not think particularly enthusiast of > >your opinion aboutnot having a "rentable" live image to test [openbsd-boot: > >ok] anyway I remain optimist you can change your mind by ie. a sudden > >lightning fingers crossedMeanwhile let's see if this reply is > >readable ;-) No it's not. Fix your email client and/or learn the pucntuation. Don't make it unnecessarily harder to read.
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Sorry for that. My first message was quite fine and it sounds like someone is addressing my carriage returns on my ip address in a funny way.. I will check this behavior with you and eventually I will limit my posts if I decide to remain in the list. Messaggio originale Da: Jan Stary Data: 30/01/23 21:49 (GMT+01:00) A: my25mb Oggetto: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources On Jan 30 21:18:58, my2...@aol.com wrote:> >I think I can safely say there is no chance whatsoever of OpenBSD >linking to third-party builds of the OS.Dissemination prb? I can't really guess it :DOk, I did read all your observations and I want to thank you for your time.Like an openbsd user I do not think particularly enthusiast of your opinion aboutnot having a "rentable" live image to test [openbsd-boot: ok] anyway I remain optimist you can change your mind by ie. a sudden lightning fingers crossedMeanwhile let's see if this reply is readable ;-)No it's not. Fix your email client and/or learn the pucntuation.Don't make it unnecessarily harder to read.
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Huston we have more problems...Let's start to debug Android Mail with your Mailing lists... this should be with double cr >I said we are in the need need a live cd of openbsd>And/or...
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>I think I can safely say there is no chance whatsoever of OpenBSD >linking to >third-party builds of the OS.Dissemination prb? I can't really guess it >:DOk, I did read all your observations and I want to thank you for your >time.Like an openbsd user I do not think particularly enthusiast of your >opinion aboutnot having a "rentable" live image to test [openbsd-boot: ok] >anyway I remain optimist you can change your mind by ie. a sudden >lightning fingers crossedMeanwhile let's see if this reply is readable >;-)
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On 2023-01-30, my25mb wrote: > b) if there is an unofficial live image around seriously maintained > and that solve the "hardness" quiz of the Team, I think this one or more > of them out there (there are some) could be endorsed in the FAQ, or > whereever by openbsd.org I think I can safely say there is no chance whatsoever of OpenBSD linking to third-party builds of the OS. > so lets watch to your own diffusion stats, eheh. That's not something that we're particularly interested in.
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 03:13:24PM +0100, my25mb wrote:
> Thanks for your patient to ride my horse.. and Peter and Stuart, for
> the completeness of your replies.Often, in this "perfect" world we are
> always all "developers" or advanced users to know enough about OpenBSD.
> However, when it comes to business three stuff could happen and sorry if
> they appear hilarious:- IT staff of the shop is business oriented but
> not much skilled enough same time: just need to deliver pc, and could
> have already delivered my own purchase before to face "complexity"...
> indeed;- In terms of bucks, I do not see yet at time people in line to
> bet that writing to bugs@ will solve any present and future problem about
> their own wallet (although just few bucks);- Trust is not something
> left to the word of mouth: a) talking about OpenBSD itself, I
> need to know that is going to run; b) if there is an unofficial
> live image around seriously maintained and that solve the "hardness" quiz
> of the Team, I think this one or more of them out there (there are some)
> could be endorsed in the FAQ, or whereever by openbsd.org I'm a little bit
> surprised (and maybe.. a too simple dude) to hear that openbsd evaluated
> the possibility to adopt a live installation and gave it up, so lets
> watch to your own diffusion stats, eheh.Daniele Bonini
I really do not want to appear hostile, but whatever it is you are using for
a mail client needs to be taken out behind the barn unless it can be made
to format properly.
As to the issues you are addressing,
* reporting whatever problem you have to b...@openbsd.org is useful in those
cases you can supply relevant information. That list is read attentively
by the developers. This is THE way to communicate with those who are able
to fix any problems found in the OpenBSD codebase.
* the reason why there is no official live CD image is much the same as why
OpenBSD does not have a graphical installer (another much requested feature).
OpenBSD is portable, with 14 supported hardware platforms, and considerable
effort has gone into making the system equally usable on all of them.
Since the project does not have infinite resources in either money or people,
priority is given to what appears useful to the developers themselves or
people
who can be bothered to help out with such things as testing.
For your purposes it is likely that grabbing installer for amd64 and using
that
for a trial install will answer the question ("does it run on this hardware?")
with little or no effort. If, on the other hand, the mysterious hardware is
not
a variant of a supported platform, live CD images will not help you much
either.
So my recommendation would be to start with the installer FAQ,
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
then if you like follow Crystal's advice on installing to a removable storage
device
and possibly dd'ing the result of that operation to a file that can be
downloaded
and dd'ed to a similar device for testing. All doable with operations similar to
what the FAQ describes.
- Peter
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
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Thanks for your patient to ride my horse.. and Peter and Stuart, for the completeness of your replies.Often, in this "perfect" world we are always all "developers" or advanced users to know enough about OpenBSD. However, when it comes to business three stuff could happen and sorry if they appear hilarious:- IT staff of the shop is business oriented but not much skilled enough same time: just need to deliver pc, and could have already delivered my own purchase before to face "complexity"... indeed;- In terms of bucks, I do not see yet at time people in line to bet that writing to bugs@ will solve any present and future problem about their own wallet (although just few bucks);- Trust is not something left to the word of mouth: a) talking about OpenBSD itself, I need to know that is going to run; b) if there is an unofficial live image around seriously maintained and that solve the "hardness" quiz of the Team, I think this one or more of them out there (there are some) could be endorsed in the FAQ, or whereever by openbsd.orgI'm a little bit surprised (and maybe.. a too simple dude) to hear that openbsd evaluated the possibility to adopt a live installation and gave it up, so lets watch to your own diffusion stats, eheh.Daniele Bonini Messaggio originale Da: Stuart Henderson Data: 30/01/23 14:24 (GMT+01:00) A: misc@openbsd.org Oggetto: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources On 2023-01-30, my25mb wrote:>> I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible"(btw, 'feasible')> to have an official live stick/cd on openbsd.org to simplify "my"> relationship and existance with these mysterious hardware systems :-).If the vendor is going to be thorough enough to really tell you what works,there shouldn't be a big difficulty for them to do a standard install.Otherwise, you might get enough of a test for "yes it boots ok and runs X"but they might not test something else that could cause problems (doesvideo acceleration work properly? are there any weird interrupt storms?does network work? is it slower than it should be? etc.)Ideally I'd recommend buying from somewhere that you can return the hardwareif there's a problem which stops you from using it, and do your own tests.-- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
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On 2023-01-30, my25mb wrote: > > I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible" (btw, 'feasible') > to have an official live stick/cd on openbsd.org to simplify "my" > relationship and existance with these mysterious hardware systems :-). If the vendor is going to be thorough enough to really tell you what works, there shouldn't be a big difficulty for them to do a standard install. Otherwise, you might get enough of a test for "yes it boots ok and runs X" but they might not test something else that could cause problems (does video acceleration work properly? are there any weird interrupt storms? does network work? is it slower than it should be? etc.) Ideally I'd recommend buying from somewhere that you can return the hardware if there's a problem which stops you from using it, and do your own tests. -- Please keep replies on the mailing list.
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This is a recurring question so perhaps I or someone should take the time to make a FAQ entry to address this. Simply put, there is a small but non-zero chance that the hardware in question is not (yet) fully supported in OpenBSD. If that is the case, the most useful thing to do is to get the hardware, install OpenBSD or at least attempt to, then if the install ends imperfectly, submit a report to bugs@ and volunteer to test patches when the relevant developer pipes up. When it comes to live CD or USB images, the developers have decided that the effort involved in maintaining such things would be better aimed elsewhere. Then again, the procedure Crystal describes for creating a USB stick install really is as simple as it sounds. And once you have that USB stick, you can fairly easily create an image to put somewhere for others to download. The Live CD images you found are not official OpenBSD ones, but if I remember correctly the person who maintains them is (or was until recently at least) subscribed to this list and could be expected to weigh in about whether to trust the images in preference over what you could make yourself with not too much effort. But I re-iterate, the most likely scenario is that the hardware is in fact well supported and the install and use will be utterly frictionless. All the best, Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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Hello Crystal,Unfortunately, I can't think it like that because I don't see it a so "manegiable" situation suggesting a third company - dealing mostly with presinstalled Windows or Linux - to face the installation process of Unix, OpenBSD, and I'm not here to discuss its simplicity.. It is simple, but a live cd shows the system going up in graphical mode in 3 min max. If you permit me it is all an other stuff for a Windows hardware engineer.Daniele Bonini Messaggio originale Da: Crystal Kolipe Data: 30/01/23 10:48 (GMT+01:00) A: my25mb Cc: misc@openbsd.org Oggetto: Re: Live stick / cd from official sources On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:32:12AM +0100, my25mb wrote:> I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible" to have an> official live stick/cd on openbsd.orgI don't think that there is much of a need for an 'official' live image,because it's so easy to do a full installation of OpenBSD to a USB flashdrive.In other words:1. Get _two_ usb flash drives.2. Download the regular OpenBSD installation media and write it to one of the flash drives.3. Boot from that.4. Insert the second flash drive.5. Do a full installation on to that second flash drive.That process should take around 20-25 minutes, even if you are using cheap,slow devices.At that point, instead of a limited 'live' image, you have a _full_ OpenBSDinstallation, with pretty much all of the tools you need for basic testing,system recovery, etc, etc.You can even install packages from ports on to the USB drive to add extrafunctionality.And you can encrypt it.And you can copy the installation media to it, and use it to install OpenBSDon other machines.Assuming you have access to a machine, (any machine), that can run OpenBSD tocreate the 'live' installation on a USB drive in the first place, then thisis a much better approach than just downloading a 'special' live image.
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:32:12AM +0100, my25mb wrote: > I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible" to have an > official live stick/cd on openbsd.org I don't think that there is much of a need for an 'official' live image, because it's so easy to do a full installation of OpenBSD to a USB flash drive. In other words: 1. Get _two_ usb flash drives. 2. Download the regular OpenBSD installation media and write it to one of the flash drives. 3. Boot from that. 4. Insert the second flash drive. 5. Do a full installation on to that second flash drive. That process should take around 20-25 minutes, even if you are using cheap, slow devices. At that point, instead of a limited 'live' image, you have a _full_ OpenBSD installation, with pretty much all of the tools you need for basic testing, system recovery, etc, etc. You can even install packages from ports on to the USB drive to add extra functionality. And you can encrypt it. And you can copy the installation media to it, and use it to install OpenBSD on other machines. Assuming you have access to a machine, (any machine), that can run OpenBSD to create the 'live' installation on a USB drive in the first place, then this is a much better approach than just downloading a 'special' live image.
Live stick / cd from official sources
Hello everyone, I'm sorry to nock the door of this mailing-list so unexpectedly! :-) I'm now dealing with an hardware supplier of mine from Germany and soon arise the problem that, yes, I want a new cheap minipc that I lucky found.. but I can't test its compatibility with OpenBSD its purchase from Italy, and it comes by a proprietary format by a certain brand! Did you ever hear about that kind of problem? So, with a little of "imaginationz" I searched Internet for an OpenBSD live cd that I lucky found: https://liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.io/ So, next question became: is it something I can trust and suggest to my supplier? I'm asking, if someone can grab the hint, if it is "phisible" to have an official live stick/cd on openbsd.org to simplify "my" relationship and existance with these mysterious hardware systems :-). Thanks and good day to everyone. Daniele BoniniPS: I guess the topic could be already proposed but unfortunately I tried to check the FAQ without luck: page doesn't exist error.
