Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-27 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2006-01-27 01:42:13 +1100, Shane J Pearson wrote: What an incredible load of tripe!... This belongs on advocacy.

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-27 Thread Henning Brauer
* Will H. Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-26 23:15]: By sending carefully crafted sequence of IP packet fragments, a remote attacker can cause a system running pf with a ruleset containing a 'scrub fragment crop' or 'scrub fragment drop-ovl' rule to crash. 1: Has this been verified to

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-27 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Rob W wrote: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16375 is minor but important enough to report? A way to remotly crash a OpenBSD box is minor? If the number of systems affected is low, the answer may be yes. This problem only exists if you enable specific scrubbing options

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-27 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:07:33AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Rob W wrote: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16375 is minor but important enough to report? A way to remotly crash a OpenBSD box is minor? If the number of systems affected is low, the answer may be

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security. (offlist)

2006-01-27 Thread Rob W
From: Chris Zakelj [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a denial of service, not a security exploit. Crashing a box causes headaches, but the data within is still out of the reach of those who would like to steal it. It isn't important that people can crash your box remotely and make the services provided

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security. (offlist)

2006-01-27 Thread Chris Zakelj
Rob W wrote: From: Chris Zakelj [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a denial of service, not a security exploit. Crashing a box causes headaches, but the data within is still out of the reach of those who would like to steal it. It isn't important that people can crash your box remotely and make

MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Shane J Pearson
What an incredible load of tripe!... From:http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/131246 ~~~ OpenBSD by hahiss How is it that OpenBSD is able to be so secure by design with so few resources and yet all of Microsoft's resources cannot stem the tide of security problems that

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Will H. Backman
Shane J Pearson wrote: What an incredible load of tripe!... From:http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/131246 Second, it is not completely accurate to say that OpenBSD is more secure. If you compare vulnerability counts just from the last 3 months, OpenBSD had 79 for

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Dries Schellekens
fox wrote: Second, it is not completely accurate to say that OpenBSD is more secure. If you compare vulnerability counts just from the last 3 months, OpenBSD had 79 for November, December and January compared to 11 for Microsoft (and that includes one each for Office and Exchange - so really 9

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Lukasz Sztachanski
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:42:13AM +1100, Shane J Pearson wrote: ~~~ OpenBSD by hahiss How is it that OpenBSD is able to be so secure by design with so few resources and yet all of Microsoft's resources cannot stem the tide of security problems that impact everyone, including those of us

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Adam Douglas
, January 26, 2006 9:05 AM To: OpenBSD Misc Subject: Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security. Shane J Pearson wrote: What an incredible load of tripe!... From:http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/131246 Second, it is not completely accurate to say

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Rob W
fox wrote: According to http://openbsd.org/security.html, the last two releases of OpenBSD have had 8 vulnerabilities (and that includes two that apply to both releases - so really 6 for both releases of OpenBSD). What about http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16375 and

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Ted Unangst
On 1/26/06, Rob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there other bugs that haven't made it to the errate page? yes. you can find an exhaustive list here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-cvsr=1w=2 but don't let the word get out. let's keep this quiet.

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Rob W
get it. From: Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security. Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:04:55 -0600 How many times do you need to hear the same thing? NOT ALL BUGFIXES MAKE IT TO THE ERRATA BECAUSE

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Will H. Backman
Rob W wrote: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16375 is minor but important enough to report? A way to remotly crash a OpenBSD box is minor? From http://openbsd.org/security.html: Security information moves very fast in cracker circles. On the other hand, our experience is that coding and

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Ted Unangst
On 1/26/06, Will H. Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By sending carefully crafted sequence of IP packet fragments, a remote attacker can cause a system running pf with a ruleset containing a 'scrub fragment crop' or 'scrub fragment drop-ovl' rule to crash. 1: Has this been verified to

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Tony
Lukasz Sztachanski wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:42:13AM +1100, Shane J Pearson wrote: ~~~ OpenBSD by hahiss How is it that OpenBSD is able to be so secure by design with so few resources and yet all of Microsoft's resources cannot stem the tide of security problems that

Re: MS Security VP Mike Nash remarks on MS vs OpenBSD security.

2006-01-26 Thread Dries Schellekens
Rob W wrote: What about http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16375 and http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?200601251013.k0PAD9lO059018 (Fixed in cvs, but NO patch for 3.8 or 3.7 and NO security announce - http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/net/if_bridge.c.diff?r1=1.147r2=1.148)