Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, Stuart Longland wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:26:54 +0100 Caspar Schutijser wrote: I find that, even with Firefox configured to separate the two, I'll start keying in an address like `http://some.internal.site/` and Firefox "thinks" I want to do a Google search for `http://`. How did you configure this? I've set keyword.enabled to false in about:config which makes sure it never uses the information in the location bar as a search query. See https://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyword.enabled Hamburger menu → Settings Choose "Search" from the left-hand category list. Click "Add search bar in toolbar" radio button, it should change instantly. It is new to me that having separate widgets is now only a choice. But even as it was the standard to have a separate box for search, firefox did search from the URL box. To disable it was a big "about:config" theatre I cannot reproduce. The old "prefs.js" configuration still works. I know people that do not know the difference between entering an URL and searching in google. To go to their internet banking, they search in google for their bank. Web sites are done for these perhaps average people and for these browsers we are compelled to use. Rod.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 03:18:36PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:11 + (UTC) > Roderick wrote: > > > With chrome I have a problem, because it does not separate URL > > entry from search entry. > > I find that, even with Firefox configured to separate the two, I'll > start keying in an address like `http://some.internal.site/` and > Firefox "thinks" I want to do a Google search for `http://`. How did you configure this? I've set keyword.enabled to false in about:config which makes sure it never uses the information in the location bar as a search query. See https://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyword.enabled Caspar
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On 2022-01-20, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > Crystal Kolipe wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 03:38:11PM +, Roderick wrote: >>> I just updated OpenBSD to 7.0. After pkg_add -u, it seems >>> firefox was not updated: >> Firefox no longer builds on i386, since shortly after the release of OpenBSD >> 6.9. > > I noticed that to, it is sad. Wonder why? Last time I tried, memory use when compiling Firefox's parts written in Rust was too high. Chromium does build these days though (and may even run, if you're lucky).
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 04:28:45PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:11 + (UTC) > > Roderick wrote: > > > > > With chrome I have a problem, because it does not separate URL > > > entry from search entry. > > Why is that a problem? Presumably because if you make a typo when entering an URL, it sends the URL string, (which may contain references to a private server), to a search engine.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:38:11 + (UTC) > Roderick wrote: > > > With chrome I have a problem, because it does not separate URL > > entry from search entry. Why is that a problem?
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 01:46:11AM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Crystal Kolipe wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 03:38:11PM +, Roderick wrote: > >> I just updated OpenBSD to 7.0. After pkg_add -u, it seems > >> firefox was not updated: > > Firefox no longer builds on i386, since shortly after the release of > > OpenBSD 6.9. > > I noticed that to, it is sad. Wonder why? See the commit log for revision 1.460 of the makefile. I'm sure that it could be fixed, but that requires somebody with an interest in fixing it. Also, just because it compiles and runs, doesn't mean that it's going to be usable for doing useful work.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Roderick wrote: It seems there is a way to disable the search in chrome "omnibox", but it is still not clear to me how to do it. I added a "search engine" in settings with URL "http://localhost?q=%s";, set it as default and deleted all other search engines. Do you know a better solution? I find search in the URL field dangerous. In any case the automatic suggestions something aganst privacy. R.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
Surf is actually excellent BUT it has no ad blocker and some sites don’t load properly, ala YouTube. On Friday, January 7, 2022, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 04:36:36PM +, Roderick wrote: > > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > > > > >>But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work > > >>with them, as the web grows in complexity. > > > > > >Agreed. > > > > And this is the main point. I need the web browser for example for > > internetbanking, not just "surfing". > > Well, if your needs are for a few specific sites rather than general > browsing, it might be worth testing surf to see if they are usable or > not. I pointed out some particular issues with Surf that I am aware > of, but overall it's compatibility is fairly good. > >
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 11:39:43AM -0500, Daniel Wilkins wrote: > Crystal Kolipe wrote: > >>* https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) > >Midori might be worth looking at as a light-weight browser replacement for > >Firefox, although I haven't used it for a number of years. > > > Worth nothing that this version of Midori has been abandoned for the > better part of a decade by this point. True, I didn't notice that the link I quoted was an old one pointing to sourceforge.net. The version of Midori that we have in ports is V9.0, released in July 2019. Admittedly it still doesn't look very actively maintained.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
I do internet banking with epiphany. On 1/7/22, Raymond, David wrote: > I use epiphany quite a bit, and like it a lot, though there are > websites on which it crashes. It uses the same toolkit as midori and > in my opinion has a somewhat better user interface. Don't know > whether it works on i386 at this point. > > Dave Raymond > > On 1/7/22, Crystal Kolipe wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:06:24PM +0100, Josuah Demangeon wrote: >> >>> * https://surf.suckless.org/ (webkit/gtk+) >> >> Surf would work well on his hardware, but it's minimal interface is >> somewhat >> different to a traditional web browser, and probably not what he is >> expecting. >> >> It also has some fairly unique issues with some websites due to the way >> non-html links are passed to curl. Session cookies are not passed to the >> curl instance, so downloading anything that requires authentication from >> any >> kind of portal that you're logged in to generally doesn't work, (think >> statements on internet banking, etc). Surf also often chokes on pop-up >> windows that have a javascript target URI, and there are a few other >> oddities as well. >> >> Having said that, I use surf a lot, our website definitely works well in >> Surf, and the way you can drive Surf completely via keyboard navigation >> is >> excellent. >> >>> * https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) >> >> Midori might be worth looking at as a light-weight browser replacement >> for >> Firefox, although I haven't used it for a number of years. >> >>> But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work >>> with them, as the web grows in complexity. >> >> Agreed. >> >> > > > -- > David J. Raymond > david.raym...@nmt.edu > http://kestrel.nmt.edu/~raymond > -- David J. Raymond david.raym...@nmt.edu http://kestrel.nmt.edu/~raymond
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
I use epiphany quite a bit, and like it a lot, though there are websites on which it crashes. It uses the same toolkit as midori and in my opinion has a somewhat better user interface. Don't know whether it works on i386 at this point. Dave Raymond On 1/7/22, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:06:24PM +0100, Josuah Demangeon wrote: > >> * https://surf.suckless.org/ (webkit/gtk+) > > Surf would work well on his hardware, but it's minimal interface is somewhat > different to a traditional web browser, and probably not what he is > expecting. > > It also has some fairly unique issues with some websites due to the way > non-html links are passed to curl. Session cookies are not passed to the > curl instance, so downloading anything that requires authentication from any > kind of portal that you're logged in to generally doesn't work, (think > statements on internet banking, etc). Surf also often chokes on pop-up > windows that have a javascript target URI, and there are a few other > oddities as well. > > Having said that, I use surf a lot, our website definitely works well in > Surf, and the way you can drive Surf completely via keyboard navigation is > excellent. > >> * https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) > > Midori might be worth looking at as a light-weight browser replacement for > Firefox, although I haven't used it for a number of years. > >> But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work >> with them, as the web grows in complexity. > > Agreed. > > -- David J. Raymond david.raym...@nmt.edu http://kestrel.nmt.edu/~raymond
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 04:36:36PM +, Roderick wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > > >>But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work > >>with them, as the web grows in complexity. > > > >Agreed. > > And this is the main point. I need the web browser for example for > internetbanking, not just "surfing". Well, if your needs are for a few specific sites rather than general browsing, it might be worth testing surf to see if they are usable or not. I pointed out some particular issues with Surf that I am aware of, but overall it's compatibility is fairly good.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
Crystal Kolipe wrote: * https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) Midori might be worth looking at as a light-weight browser replacement for Firefox, although I haven't used it for a number of years. Worth nothing that this version of Midori has been abandoned for the better part of a decade by this point. Modern Midori's a web app (https://astian.org/en/midori-browser/) so it's probably not a viable choice for this case.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Crystal Kolipe wrote: But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work with them, as the web grows in complexity. Agreed. And this is the main point. I need the web browser for example for internetbanking, not just "surfing". The web developers decide, what browser I must use, not I. I do not see an alternative to the bloated chrome or firefox browsers. It seems there is a way to disable the search in chrome "omnibox", but it is still not clear to me how to do it. R.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:06:24PM +0100, Josuah Demangeon wrote: > * https://surf.suckless.org/ (webkit/gtk+) Surf would work well on his hardware, but it's minimal interface is somewhat different to a traditional web browser, and probably not what he is expecting. It also has some fairly unique issues with some websites due to the way non-html links are passed to curl. Session cookies are not passed to the curl instance, so downloading anything that requires authentication from any kind of portal that you're logged in to generally doesn't work, (think statements on internet banking, etc). Surf also often chokes on pop-up windows that have a javascript target URI, and there are a few other oddities as well. Having said that, I use surf a lot, our website definitely works well in Surf, and the way you can drive Surf completely via keyboard navigation is excellent. > * https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) Midori might be worth looking at as a light-weight browser replacement for Firefox, although I haven't used it for a number of years. > But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work > with them, as the web grows in complexity. Agreed.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
Roderick wrote: > I just updated OpenBSD to 7.0. After pkg_add -u, it seems > firefox was not updated: I did not have this problem with firefox installed before my 6.9 -> 7.0 upgrade, but I'm on amd64 : lap1$ uname -a OpenBSD lap1.josuah.net 7.0 GENERIC.MP#3 amd64 lap1$ doas pkg_delete firefox firefox-95.0.1: ok Running tags: ok Read shared items: ok lap1$ doas pkg_add firefox quirks-4.53 signed on 2022-01-05T19:08:35Z .libs1-firefox-82.0.3+.libs1-firefox-88.0.1->firefox-95.0.1: ok Running tags: ok Read shared items: ok New and changed readme(s): /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/firefox lap1$ > firefox core dumped, I deleted it, but I cannot reinstall it > (cannot find that package). What would a pkg_add -u do? Also, if you have > With chrome I have a problem, because it does not separate URL > entry from search entry. And I do not know an alternative to firefox. Alternatives include all these tiny programmable web browsers based on webkit or alike: * https://pwmt.org/projects/jumanji/ (webkit/gtk+) * https://surf.suckless.org/ (webkit/gtk+) * https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ (webkit/gtk+ or blink/gtk+) * https://qutebrowser.org/ (webkit/qt) * https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ (webkit/gtk+) * ... Or some long-timers projects that are quite stable and cover quite enough to get most website content : * http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ (extremely portable!) * https://sourceforge.net/projects/midori-browser/ (as on Raspbian) * ... But you might encounter increasingly more websites that do not work with them, as the web grows in complexity.
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Crystal Kolipe wrote: Are you actually running on hardware that doesn't support amd64? That is the case. A light and small samsumg nc10 nettop. No amd64, only 2 GB RAM. The problem is that important Web-Sites are done for chrome and firefox. I do not see much choice. I would use other browser, if I can import my bookmarks and if it has sparated URL and search entries. Rodrigo
Re: No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 03:38:11PM +, Roderick wrote: > I just updated OpenBSD to 7.0. After pkg_add -u, it seems > firefox was not updated: Firefox no longer builds on i386, since shortly after the release of OpenBSD 6.9. > Any hint? Are you actually running on hardware that doesn't support amd64?
No firefox on OpenBSD 7.0 i386?
I just updated OpenBSD to 7.0. After pkg_add -u, it seems firefox was not updated: firefox core dumped, I deleted it, but I cannot reinstall it (cannot find that package). With chrome I have a problem, because it does not separate URL entry from search entry. And I do not know an alternative to firefox. Any hint? Thanks Rodrigo
