Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-23 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:08:04 -0400, Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 09:43:29PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:10:53 -0400, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is just *no* way to explain just how wacked Linux looks to someone who is having to

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-23 Thread MikeM
On 7/22/2005 at 9:10 PM Nick Holland wrote: | There is just *no* way to explain just how wacked Linux looks to | someone who is having to go from OpenBSD to Linux for some stuff | at work. Wow. | You'd swear it was written by an unorganized mob with no central | control or plan at all. Oh,

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-23 Thread Brian
--- MikeM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/2005 at 9:10 PM Nick Holland wrote: | There is just *no* way to explain just how wacked Linux looks to | someone who is having to go from OpenBSD to Linux for some stuff | at work. Wow. | You'd swear it was written by an unorganized mob with no

Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Kevin
On 7/21/05, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:35:27 -0500 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be blunt, because when an enterprise just needs pure unfiltered inter-VLAN routing, Cisco has CEF products which can route between interfaces at bps and pps rates

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Henning Brauer
* Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-22 09:53]: On 7/21/05, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:35:27 -0500 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be blunt, because when an enterprise just needs pure unfiltered inter-VLAN routing, Cisco has CEF products which can route

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Lars Hansson
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:31:23 -0500 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine, so you don't like Cisco. No sane person *likes* Cisco gear. Substitute Raptor or Juniper or some other product that can do basic Inter-VLAN routing at 100,000 packets/second in even their low end products, Dude, there

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Joe .
On 7/22/05, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of whether you use the walks-on-water SysKonnect cards or crappy $470 Intel quad-EM cards, OpenBSD on i386 barely approaches half that rate, when doing nothing more than routing packets from one interface to another (but I'd

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Adam
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:31:23 -0500 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine, so you don't like Cisco. Substitute Raptor or Juniper or some other product that can do basic Inter-VLAN routing at 100,000 packets/ second in even their low end products, That doesn't change the facts, just the brand

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Nick Holland
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 08:48:11AM -0400, Joe . wrote: On 7/22/05, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 100Kpps should be reachable with the right hardware right now. there is room for optimization in OpenBSD to reach way higher forwarding rates. Part of the problem here is

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Joe .
On 7/22/05, Spruell, Darren-Perot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think, quite the opposite, that it's fine the way it is. It's not openbsd's fault that people fall prey to the stupid knob-tuning game and quite dumbly follow that line of thought. I think instead that the other OSes should be

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Timothy Donahue
On Friday 22 July 2005 01:23 pm, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: Joe . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] are used to dealing with complex or unoptimized piles of crap. Part of encouraging people to switch should at the very least be communicating that there are no hidden options or that

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: Joe . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, quite the opposite, that it's fine the way it is. It's not openbsd's fault that people fall prey to the stupid knob-tuning game and quite dumbly follow that line of thought. I think instead that the other OSes should be responsible for

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Nick Holland
Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: Joe . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I agree with you completely and in a sane and rational world it would happen just like that. Unfortunately I highly doubt we'll see any such disclaimers though. I bet there are lots of people eager to defect and it would

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:10:53 -0400, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is just *no* way to explain just how wacked Linux looks to someone who is having to go from OpenBSD to Linux for some stuff at work. Wow. You'd swear it was written by an unorganized mob with no central control or

Re: Speed isn't everything, luckily for OpenBSD.

2005-07-22 Thread Brad
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 09:43:29PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:10:53 -0400, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is just *no* way to explain just how wacked Linux looks to someone who is having to go from OpenBSD to Linux for some stuff at work. Wow. You'd