Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-13 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 2020-03-13 18:31, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2020-03-13, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: I wouldn't get too excited about running on low memory machines. The more RAM you can throw at something, the better, as this allows more cache room as well as improving function of ASLR and other memory

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-03-13, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > I wouldn't get too excited about running on low memory machines. The > more RAM you can throw at something, the better, as this allows more > cache room as well as improving function of ASLR and other memory > randomizations. It does allow more cache,

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-13 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 2020-03-11 19:20, Aaron Mason wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:47 PM Jordan Geoghegan wrote: On 2020-03-11 00:13, Stuart Longland wrote: On 15/2/20 6:43 pm, Dumitru Moldovan wrote: [SNIP] [SNIP] Sometimes it's better to realise when something has past its prime. A year or two ago

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-11 Thread Aaron Mason
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:47 PM Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > > > > On 2020-03-11 00:13, Stuart Longland wrote: > > On 15/2/20 6:43 pm, Dumitru Moldovan wrote: > >> [SNIP] > > [SNIP] > > > > Sometimes it's better to realise when something has past its prime. > > A year or two ago I had OpenBSD

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-11 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 2020-03-11 00:13, Stuart Longland wrote: On 15/2/20 6:43 pm, Dumitru Moldovan wrote: Not really, about 21 years ago I was learning to get XFree86 working, to break free from the console on a desktop with 24MB of RAM. It's all relative… I can recall years ago experimenting with operating

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-03-11 Thread Stuart Longland
On 15/2/20 6:43 pm, Dumitru Moldovan wrote: > Not really, about 21 years ago I was learning to get XFree86 working, > to break free from the console on a desktop with 24MB of RAM. It's all relative… I can recall years ago experimenting with operating systems on old machines (even by that day's

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-02-15 Thread Dumitru Moldovan
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 01:54:56AM +0100, Noth wrote: I wouldn't call 64Mb "small" for memory, it's tiny. Even 20 years ago 64 wasn't really enough. Not really, about 21 years ago I was learning to get XFree86 working, to break free from the console on a desktop with 24MB of RAM. Built that

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-02-15 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 01:54:56AM +0100, Noth wrote: > The only thing I can recommend is to stick to an older version of the OS I wouldn't recommend running old releases, at least not until i386 officially becomes an unsupported platform.

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-02-15 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:01:06PM +0900, rgc wrote: > every boot OpenBSD relinks the kernel ... i stared at the top display and > saw ld on top with around 170Mb ... literally out of memory ... and out of > swap space. on machines with small memory swap is configured by disklabel > as 2x physmem.

Re: experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-02-14 Thread Noth
I wouldn't call 64Mb "small" for memory, it's tiny. Even 20 years ago 64 wasn't really enough. The introduction of kernel relinking on boot has been noted since 6.5 (or was it 6.4?) to make tiny memory systems obsolete. They simply can't cope. Theo has noted he has other projects in the

experience setting up a low memory machine

2020-02-14 Thread rgc
misc@ sharing a recent experience with OpenBSD 6.6 and old, low spec, low memory devices. remember the Toshiba Libretto? back in 2000, OpenBSD got some CPU time on one of mine. sadly that Libretto is now dead, and with the current state of affairs, it wont be able to run OpenBSD. last weekend i