Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 07:37:39PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: That's a good idea. My SS20 which has 2 HDDs, CD and floppy, has a fan in between, it looks it is wired properly and has an attachment, so it looks original for certain hotter configurations. IIRC, that's one of the newer SS20, then - they added that extra fan later and at least one of my own SS20 has it (been a while since I opened them...). Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org/ You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 2015-01-13, Jeremy Evans jeremyeva...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: do we really need bash to build ruby? and... why ruby for subversion? not counting shells one ends up having perl, python, tcl and ruby! what a mess. You do need bash to build ruby 2.0, but not any earlier or later version. There were bugs in ruby 2.0's configure script, and they were unable to backport the necessary fixes to it. ruby is needed to build subversion for the ruby-subversion subpackage, but you can build with the no_ruby PSUEDO_FLAVOR to not require ruby or build that subpackage. Same with no_python. But if you want to see those missing packages in 5.7 release, start by sending information about the bash crash, preferably to ports@ rather than misc. A backtrace would be a good start (especially from a copy of bash built with debug symbols: clean, then make package DEBUG=-g, reducing the script that triggers the problem to a simplified test case would be even better.
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: do we really need bash to build ruby? and... why ruby for subversion? not counting shells one ends up having perl, python, tcl and ruby! what a mess. You do need bash to build ruby 2.0, but not any earlier or later version. There were bugs in ruby 2.0's configure script, and they were unable to backport the necessary fixes to it. ruby is needed to build subversion for the ruby-subversion subpackage, but you can build with the no_ruby PSUEDO_FLAVOR to not require ruby or build that subpackage. Thanks, Jeremy
Re: missing packages for SPARC
Hi Hugo, Hugo Villeneuve wrote: Yeah, I got blocked with bash dependent ports (ruby-2.0 for subversion). what is happening for you? I have temporarily given up building on my SS20: all modules I have are indeed unstable, both the 50Mhz and 40Mhz SuperSparcs just segfault at will, as Miod has too. I fixed and upgraded my SS5, MicroSparc II 110Mhz, which was running OpenBSD reliably for years untill the gcc 2.95 switch, when I gave it up for the moment. I have a fresh install of 5.6 on it and started building several base packages, which worked fine. It seems stable even if it compiles for days. When I try compiling subversion (make package bulk=Yes) I get this: `/usr/ports/distfiles/swig-2.0.11.tar.gz' is up to date. (SHA256) swig-2.0.11.tar.gz: OK === swig-2.0.11p0 depends on: ruby-=2.0,2.1 - not found === Verifying install for ruby-=2.0,2.1 in lang/ruby/2.0 === Configuring for ruby-2.0.0-p481 Using /usr/ports/pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/config.site (generated) Bus error (core dumped) *** Error 138 in /usr/ports/lang/ruby/2.0 (/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk:2704 '/usr/ports/pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/.configure_done') checking for core files, I see this: $ find . -name \*.core ./pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/ruby-2.0.0-p481/bash.core ./tests/portcheck/t5/some.core Is this what you get too? do we really need bash to build ruby? and... why ruby for subversion? not counting shells one ends up having perl, python, tcl and ruby! what a mess. Riccardo
Re: missing packages for SPARC
Hi Hugo, Hugo Villeneuve wrote: Yeah, I got blocked with bash dependent ports (ruby-2.0 for subversion). what is happening for you? I have temporarily given up building on my SS20: all modules I have are indeed unstable, both the 50Mhz and 40Mhz SuperSparcs just segfault at will, as Miod has too. I fixed and upgraded my SS5, MicroSparc II 110Mhz, which was running OpenBSD reliably for years untill the gcc 2.95 switch, when I gave it up for the moment. I have a fresh install of 5.6 on it and started building several base packages, which worked fine. It seems stable even if it compiles for days. When I try compiling subversion (make package bulk=Yes) I get this: `/usr/ports/distfiles/swig-2.0.11.tar.gz' is up to date. (SHA256) swig-2.0.11.tar.gz: OK === swig-2.0.11p0 depends on: ruby-=2.0,2.1 - not found === Verifying install for ruby-=2.0,2.1 in lang/ruby/2.0 === Configuring for ruby-2.0.0-p481 Using /usr/ports/pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/config.site (generated) Bus error (core dumped) *** Error 138 in /usr/ports/lang/ruby/2.0 (/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk:2704 '/usr/ports/pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/.configure_done') checking for core files, I see this: $ find . -name \*.core ./pobj/ruby-2.0.0-p481-no_ri_docs/ruby-2.0.0-p481/bash.core ./tests/portcheck/t5/some.core Is this what you get too? do we really need bash to build ruby? and... why ruby for subversion? not counting shells one ends up having perl, python, tcl and ruby! what a mess. Riccardo
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 2014-12-04, Hugo Villeneuve h...@eintr.net wrote: I put a new Seagate 73GB SCA drive in my SparcStation 20 (150MHz/224MB). It works but I can only use part of it. I don't hardware to try it, but another option might be a sata ssd and scsi bridge (acard have various options in a 3.5 drive chassis). They aren't particularly cheap though.
Re: missing packages for SPARC
Hi, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2014 Dec 04 (Thu) at 07:11:48 + (+), John Long wrote: :How much time is necessary to build packages during and for a release? How :much time for snapshots? And how often does this need to be done? I'm trying :to get an idea how much uptime you would need if somebody who is able to :take this on doesn't have a suitable box to build on. 32bit sparc packages take 3-5 weeks on a cluster of 5 machines, depending on how many crashes happen. by crash, do you mean hardware problems, operating system reliability (like the one I am possibly experiencing) or userland problems? Riccardo PS: I am in a similar position as John. I cannot run my machines 24/7 because of noise, but they could contirbute building. ALthough however, being set back from dual-Ross 72Mhz with cache, to a single SM50 50Mhz no cache... is a hard hit, and if even that is unsuitable...
Re: missing packages for SPARC
Hi, Florenz Kley wrote: On Dec 3, 2014, at 21:01, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote: how do you guys deal with disk space with sparc machines? NFS? with a hacksaw :-) http://www.well.com/~fl/frankendisk/ single-ended SCSI disks work quite well in the pizza box design, but they run hotter than the old ones. One disk is not a problem, for two I wired up a little additional fan later That's a good idea. My SS20 which has 2 HDDs, CD and floppy, has a fan in between, it looks it is wired properly and has an attachment, so it looks original for certain hotter configurations. Riccardo
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:36:43PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: On 2014-12-02, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. They didn't build. I can't tell whether that's due to the package building process (the sparc build machines are very unstable) or problems with the ports themselves. Peter Hessler may be able to comment. How much time is necessary to build packages during and for a release? How much time for snapshots? And how often does this need to be done? I'm trying to get an idea how much uptime you would need if somebody who is able to take this on doesn't have a suitable box to build on. I have a few boxes that could host this but I cannot run them for days on end simply because they're in my office and would deafen/burn me alive. We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* Agh /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Dec 3, 2014, at 21:01, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote: how do you guys deal with disk space with sparc machines? NFS? with a hacksaw :-) http://www.well.com/~fl/frankendisk/ single-ended SCSI disks work quite well in the pizza box design, but they run hotter than the old ones. One disk is not a problem, for two I wired up a little additional fan later fl -- Florenz Kley - f...@well.com Tel +49.8841.678266 - Mobile +49.151.40251518 - Fax +49.8841.678272 PGP Fingerprint: 3356 5478 CAEA 9E10 7F52 F396 654F 4BB7 87D9 EB0A
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 2014 Dec 04 (Thu) at 07:11:48 + (+), John Long wrote: :How much time is necessary to build packages during and for a release? How :much time for snapshots? And how often does this need to be done? I'm trying :to get an idea how much uptime you would need if somebody who is able to :take this on doesn't have a suitable box to build on. 32bit sparc packages take 3-5 weeks on a cluster of 5 machines, depending on how many crashes happen. -- May the fairy god-camel leave a lump on your pillow!
Re: missing packages for SPARC
I had forgotten OpenBSD has SPARC and SPARC64 ports. I don't have any SPARC boxes, sorry for missing the point here. If SPARC64 builds become an issue I hope I can help in some way. /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 10:43:29AM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2014 Dec 04 (Thu) at 07:11:48 + (+), John Long wrote: :How much time is necessary to build packages during and for a release? How :much time for snapshots? And how often does this need to be done? I'm trying :to get an idea how much uptime you would need if somebody who is able to :take this on doesn't have a suitable box to build on. 32bit sparc packages take 3-5 weeks on a cluster of 5 machines, depending on how many crashes happen. Wow, ok. Thanks. My emails are taking a while to hit the list but I remembered after sending the first one OpenBSD has SPARC and SPARC64 ports and I only have SPARC64 boxes so I can't help here after all. face palm /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:35:43PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. It looks like sparc 5.6 package were built without the modf fix :( http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/arch/sparc/gen/modf.S There isn't much that doesn't require python as a build-depends somewhere... You're welcome to help out. There is an open issue with bash and setjmp/longjmp (guessing) that breaks dbus (iirc). I've lost countless hours and gave up on that. Is this a problem? or is it deliberate? Sebastian, I know you used to stress your SPARCs :) Thank you, Riccardo
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 2014-12-02, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. They didn't build. I can't tell whether that's due to the package building process (the sparc build machines are very unstable) or problems with the ports themselves. Peter Hessler may be able to comment. Unfortunately, that's the usual course when an architecture becomes less and less common. Build failures pile up, compounded by slowness and general reliability problems, and the set of available packages keeps shrinking. Somebody needs to care. There is no magic bullet. If, say, two hundred ports fail to build and take out thousands more for which they serve as dependencies, then the only way to fix this is for somebody to sit down and examine and fix the failing ports. One by one. If nobody steps up to do this, then it won't happen. We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 12/3/14, Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: On 2014-12-02, Riccardo Mottola riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote: I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. They didn't build. I can't tell whether that's due to the package building process (the sparc build machines are very unstable) or problems with the ports themselves. Peter Hessler may be able to comment. Unfortunately, that's the usual course when an architecture becomes less and less common. Build failures pile up, compounded by slowness and general reliability problems, and the set of available packages keeps shrinking. Somebody needs to care. There is no magic bullet. If, say, two hundred ports fail to build and take out thousands more for which they serve as dependencies, then the only way to fix this is for somebody to sit down and examine and fix the failing ports. One by one. If nobody steps up to do this, then it won't happen. We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* how do you guys deal with disk space with sparc machines? NFS? I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. --patrick
Re: missing packages for SPARC
patrick keshishian: how do you guys deal with disk space with sparc machines? NFS? Distfiles and packages on NFS, obj on local disk. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: missing packages for SPARC
We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* snip I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. I ran OpenBSD 5.4 briefly on a small UltraSPARC Netra and it ran very well. However I ran into issues trying to compile things. I may look at OpenBSD again but really anything less than a modern Niagara class UltraSparc would be wasted efforts I think. Dennis
Re: missing packages for SPARC
We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* snip I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. I ran OpenBSD 5.4 briefly on a small UltraSPARC Netra and it ran very well. However I ran into issues trying to compile things. I may look at OpenBSD again but really anything less than a modern Niagara class UltraSparc would be wasted efforts I think. You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64.
Re: missing packages for SPARC
I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. I ran OpenBSD 5.4 briefly on a small UltraSPARC Netra and it ran very well. However I ran into issues trying to compile things. I may look at OpenBSD again but really anything less than a modern Niagara class UltraSparc would be wasted efforts I think. You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64. Not sure where the anger is coming from. Regardless, there may be people that are interested in running OpenBSD on a DEC alphaserver or even a Sun SparcStation 20 from 1996 and that may just be entertainment. I would hope that there was an interest in more modern architectures where OpenBSD may run very very well. Oh just shut up. I would hope you can keep your mouth shut when people talk about the things they love to hack on. Because otherwise, you know, you might come off looking like you are a self-entitled prick who only wants them to work on things you want, you know?
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:54:14PM -0500, dev wrote: We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* snip I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. What you miss is that running on these architectures expose bugs that would otherwise not be found. Endianness issues, timing differences due to slower CPUs, alignment bugs, etc... And those bugs sometimes turn out to be MI bugs that affect all architectures. It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. I ran OpenBSD 5.4 briefly on a small UltraSPARC Netra and it ran very well. However I ran into issues trying to compile things. I may look at OpenBSD again but really anything less than a modern Niagara class UltraSparc would be wasted efforts I think. Dennis
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:54:14PM -0500, dev wrote: We keep having this tail of zombie architectures. Long obsolete hardware, run by few people, with pitiful best effort package builds happening each release and with luck once between. They slowly sink under the accumulating bitrot that nobody cares to fix, but at the same time people can't bring themselves to completely abandon those archs. *shrug* snip I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. What you miss is that running on these architectures expose bugs that would otherwise not be found. Endianness issues, timing differences due to slower CPUs, alignment bugs, etc... And those bugs sometimes turn out to be MI bugs that affect all architectures. Mike, you are talking way over his head...
Re: missing packages for SPARC
You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64. Not sure where the anger is coming from. Regardless, there may be people that are interested in running OpenBSD on a DEC alphaserver or even a Sun SparcStation 20 from 1996 and that may just be entertainment. I would hope that there was an interest in more modern architectures where OpenBSD may run very very well. Oh just shut up. I would hope you can keep your mouth shut when people talk about the things they love to hack on. Because otherwise, you know, you might come off looking like you are a self-entitled prick who only wants them to work on things you want, you know? Actually I was closely following the discussion on utf8 issues and found it interesting. OpenBSD is generally looked at as a serious and secure UNIX implementation and I was giving consideration to getting GCC 4.9.2 built ansd tested on it. I don't see results[1] in the GCC project for recent GCC and felt it would be of value to try. With a recent GCC it may have been possible to then build Apache 2.4.x and some other things that would allow an up to date set of tools to exist. These would allow a web site to run with great security and stability. Really that was my entire interest in OpenBSD. Oh, that and the LibreSSL work and OpenSSH of course. You, however, seem to feel a need to crash into a room like a mad man off his meds. Not sure what your intent is. What is it? Really? Dennis [1] https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.9/buildstat.html
Re: missing packages for SPARC
snip I will dust off my ss20 this weekend see if it powers up. A SparcStation 20 is a relic for historical reference only. A cool item and if it powers up I would be surprised. However it won't make any more sense than to have a 1976 Ford truck as a daily driver. It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. I ran OpenBSD 5.4 briefly on a small UltraSPARC Netra and it ran very well. However I ran into issues trying to compile things. I may look at OpenBSD again but really anything less than a modern Niagara class UltraSparc would be wasted efforts I think. You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64. Not sure where the anger is coming from. Regardless, there may be people that are interested in running OpenBSD on a DEC alphaserver or even a Sun SparcStation 20 from 1996 and that may just be entertainment. I would hope that there was an interest in more modern architectures where OpenBSD may run very very well. Dennis
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On 3 Dec 2014 at 18:36, dev wrote: You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64. Not sure where the anger is coming from. Regardless, there may be people that are interested in running OpenBSD on a DEC alphaserver or even a Sun SparcStation 20 from 1996 and that may just be entertainment. I would hope that there was an interest in more modern architectures where OpenBSD may run very very well. Oh just shut up. I would hope you can keep your mouth shut when people talk about the things they love to hack on. Because otherwise, you know, you might come off looking like you are a self-entitled prick who only wants them to work on things you want, you know? Actually I was closely following the discussion on utf8 issues and found it interesting. OpenBSD is generally looked at as a serious and secure UNIX implementation and I was giving consideration to getting GCC 4.9.2 built ansd tested on it. I don't see results[1] in the GCC project for recent GCC and felt it would be of value to try. With a recent GCC it may have been possible to then build Apache 2.4.x and some other things that would allow an up to date set of tools to exist. These would allow a web site to run with great security and stability. Really that was my entire interest in OpenBSD. Oh, that and the LibreSSL work and OpenSSH of course. You, however, seem to feel a need to crash into a room like a mad man off his meds. Not sure what your intent is. What is it? Really? Pot meet kettle. Of course the big difference is that kettle has been running the show (and very successully too) for the past two decades. Now, let this thread die! All entertainment value has long evaporated. Dennis [1] https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.9/buildstat.html
Re: missing packages for SPARC
Hi, dev wrote: It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. The first thing you forget is the fun factor. People devote time in open-source also because of fun and other profit from it. If everything was for profit, a lot wouldn't exist. Otherwise just use Windows or RedHat on intel... and suffer with their bugs! You might find fun in driving your 1976 car and even learn how to steer, how to drive without traction control. Perhaps you won't use it for daily commuting, but to go to the lake in the weekends? Also, we are not speaking here of Solaris, but on OpenBSD. It can run on slower stuff even. Last point, I develop (= code) open source software since many years. Not only I take pride that it runs on lesser known architectures and operating systems, but doing so helped me find so many bugs that make my software more robust and reliable than the average program coded for Linux and x86. Buffer overflows, uninitialized variables.. especially structure members are very sensitive on SPARC. My stuff is more desktop oriented, so perhaps of less use for some people here, but still ! Right below my SS20 there is a Fire, so don't worry, I'm working to get my stuff working on Solaris and UltraSPARC too. If it runs on both, it is a gain for the free software world. Riccardo
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 04:42:52PM +0100, Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:35:43PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. It looks like sparc 5.6 package were built without the modf fix :( http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/arch/sparc/gen/modf.S There isn't much that doesn't require python as a build-depends somewhere... Ok, that fix made me able to build mutt, phyton 2.7. You're welcome to help out. There is an open issue with bash and setjmp/longjmp (guessing) that breaks dbus (iirc). I've lost countless hours and gave up on that. Yeah, I got blocked with bash dependent ports (ruby-2.0 for subversion). For a limited time, my small untrustworthy local sparc 5.6-stable package collection: http://vent.eintr.net:8040/pub/OpenBSD/5.6/packages/sparc/
Re: missing packages for SPARC
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 09:46:04PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
patrick keshishian:
how do you guys deal with disk space with sparc machines?
NFS?
Distfiles and packages on NFS, obj on local disk.
That works well. But I got tired of that especialy since I was down
to a 1G drive and I had to have /usr/{src,ports,obj,xenocara,xobj}
on NFS.
I put a new Seagate 73GB SCA drive in my SparcStation 20 (150MHz/224MB).
It works but I can only use part of it.
After I got a few kmem_map out of space panic inside ufs_readdir.
I reduced my biggest partition from 25GB to 12GB and that seems to
have made them go away.
Although now, under heavy disk load, it cannot keep the clock
in time. I loose about 1 hours over a make build. (better than the
defunct mac68k port, annoying still.)
You may get different results with other SCA compatible Sparcs or
slower systems.
OpenBSD 5.6-stable (GENERIC) #2: Mon Dec 1 16:20:42 EST 2014
r...@ss20.eintr.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC
real mem = 234319872 (223MB)
avail mem = 225472512 (215MB)
mainbus0 at root: SUNW,SPARCstation-20
cpu0 at mainbus0: RT620/625 @ 150 MHz, on-chip FPU
cpu0: 512K byte write-back, 32 bytes/line, sw flush cache enabled
obio0 at mainbus0
clock0 at obio0 addr 0xf120: mk48t08 (eeprom)
timer0 at obio0 addr 0xf130: delay constant 48, frequency 200 Hz
zs0 at obio0 addr 0xf110 pri 12, softpri 6
zstty0 at zs0 channel 0: console
zstty1 at zs0 channel 1
zs1 at obio0 addr 0xf100 pri 12, softpri 6
zskbd0 at zs1 channel 0: no keyboard
zsms0 at zs1 channel 1
wsmouse0 at zsms0 mux 0
fdc0 at obio0 addr 0xf170 pri 11, softpri 4: chip 82077
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
auxreg0 at obio0 addr 0xf180
power0 at obio0 addr 0xf1a01000
cgfourteen0 at obio0 addr 0x9c00 pri 8: 8MB, rev 3.0, 1152x900
wsdisplay0 at cgfourteen0 mux 1
wsdisplay0: screen 0 added (std, sun emulation)
iommu0 at mainbus0 ioaddr 0xe000: version 0x1/0x1, page-size 4096, range
64MB
sbus0 at iommu0: 25 MHz
dma0 at sbus0 slot 15 offset 0x40: rev 2
esp0 at dma0 offset 0x80 pri 4: ESP200, 40MHz
scsibus0 at esp0: 8 targets, initiator 7
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 3 lun 0: SEAGATE, ST373455LC, 0003 SCSI3 0/direct fixed
naa.5000
sd0: 70007MB, 512 bytes/sector, 143374744 sectors
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 6 lun 0: TOSHIBA, XM-4101TASUNSLCD, 1084 SCSI2 5/cdrom
removable
ledma0 at sbus0 slot 15 offset 0x400010: rev 2
le0 at ledma0 offset 0xc0 pri 6: address 08:00:20:23:6b:8e
le0: 16 receive buffers, 4 transmit buffers
bpp0 at sbus0 slot 15 offset 0x480: DMA2
SUNW,DBRIe at sbus0 slot 14 offset 0x1 not configured
cgsix0 at sbus0 slot 2 offset 0x0 pri 9: SUNW,501-2325, 1152x900, rev 11
wsdisplay1 at cgsix0 mux 1
wsdisplay1: screen 0 added (std, sun emulation)
vscsi0 at root
scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets
bootpath: /iommu@f,e000/sbus@f,e0001000/espdma@f,40/esp@f,80/sd@3,0
root on sd0a (9794594d03d23d76.a) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
Re: missing packages for SPARC
You are speaking out of turn, basically insulting people who want to make sure that older architectures do work. The Sun Fire V890 and Niagara machines are not sparc architecture. They are sparc64. Not sure where the anger is coming from. Regardless, there may be people that are interested in running OpenBSD on a DEC alphaserver or even a Sun SparcStation 20 from 1996 and that may just be entertainment. I would hope that there was an interest in more modern architectures where OpenBSD may run very very well. Oh just shut up. I would hope you can keep your mouth shut when people talk about the things they love to hack on. Because otherwise, you know, you might come off looking like you are a self-entitled prick who only wants them to work on things you want, you know? Actually I was closely following the discussion on utf8 issues and found it interesting. OpenBSD is generally looked at as a serious and secure UNIX implementation and I was giving consideration to getting GCC 4.9.2 built ansd tested on it. I don't see results[1] in the GCC project for recent GCC and felt it would be of value to try. With a recent GCC it may have been possible to then build Apache 2.4.x and some other things that would allow an up to date set of tools to exist. These would allow a web site to run with great security and stability. Really that was my entire interest in OpenBSD. Oh, that and the LibreSSL work and OpenSSH of course. You, however, seem to feel a need to crash into a room like a mad man off his meds. Not sure what your intent is. What is it? Really? Let's be quite honest about this Dennis. You aren't going to do shit because you don't have any skills. You are just a business person, not a programmer. Thank you for adding the value of your words.
Re: missing packages for SPARC
dev wrote: It would be a waste of effort to look at anything previous to a Sun Fire V890 or any UltraSPARC IV based server. There are very few out there running Solaris any more and only hobby types have SPARC anywhere else. The first thing you forget is the fun factor. People devote time in open-source also because of fun and other profit from it. If everything was for profit, a lot wouldn't exist. Otherwise just use Windows or RedHat on intel... and suffer with their bugs! You might find fun in driving your 1976 car and even learn how to steer, how to drive without traction control. Perhaps you won't use it for daily commuting, but to go to the lake in the weekends? Also, we are not speaking here of Solaris, but on OpenBSD. It can run on slower stuff even. Last point, I develop (= code) open source software since many years. Not only I take pride that it runs on lesser known architectures and operating systems, but doing so helped me find so many bugs that make my software more robust and reliable than the average program coded for Linux and x86. Buffer overflows, uninitialized variables.. especially structure members are very sensitive on SPARC. My stuff is more desktop oriented, so perhaps of less use for some people here, but still ! Right below my SS20 there is a Fire, so don't worry, I'm working to get my stuff working on Solaris and UltraSPARC too. If it runs on both, it is a gain for the free software world. Sorry Riccardo, but Dennis is a businessman. He does not care if you love doing this. He would prefer that you work on what HE NEEDS. If you want to find out more, you can reach him at: Admin Name: CLARKE, DENNIS Admin Organization: Corvidae Code Inc. Admin Street: 153 Chatham Street Admin City: Brantford Admin State/Province: ON Admin Postal Code: N3S 4G5 Admin Country: CA Admin Phone: +1.5197717761 Not that you need to reach out to him. People like him are very common. You could walk down the street and find a person with his simplistic attitude. They simply don't believe that good things are built by people who love building good things. After all, they are people of business. They will never understand the magic that creates the effects that have paid for their houses. They think it is all build on modern foundations, and that building on the stones of the past provides no benefit. Future, ho. The past is just rubble, right. But do say hi if you call him. Again, I think there is no point in bothering. He is common. You can find people with his simplistic attitude be stepping outside. (Except those people on your street rarely arrive on a mailing list and preach that people should stop loving what they love). Of course I have far more reactionary private mails from him exposing his character. The waste of my time stops here, so should the waste of your time -- work on the wonderful things you want to. We never know the fruits until we try.
missing packages for SPARC
Hi, I was pkg_add'ing some essential packages on a freshly installed SPARC machine. I noticed that several packages are missing. I thought it was the mirror, but they are missing on the master ftp too. I know that some packages might not build on sparc or do not have sense on that platform, however I was looking for pretty general stuff: libxmsl, libxslt or subversion. Is this a problem? or is it deliberate? Sebastian, I know you used to stress your SPARCs :) Thank you, Riccardo
