Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-14 Thread Артур Истомин
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 01:10:09PM -0500, John Smith wrote:
  I think pop3 is dead but recently there was a mail in tech@
  stating Sunil Nimmagadda develops pop3 daemon closed to
  OpenBSD standards.
 
 That's a good point. I don't like leaving mails on the server for more than a
 day or so, but I don't see why I can't emulate this behavior on IMAP. I had
 originally chosen POP3 because OpenBSD came with it batteries-included.
 
 There's still some research I need to do on my own, but it does look like
 dovecot fits the OpenBSD mentality of security first in development.

dovecot has more vulns. than other open source imap implementations all 
together.

Dovecot: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=dovecot (31)
Cyrus IMAP https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=Cyrus-imap
(3)
etc..



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Артур Истомин contributed:

   I think pop3 is dead but recently there was a mail in tech@
   stating Sunil Nimmagadda develops pop3 daemon closed to
   OpenBSD standards.  
  
  That's a good point. I don't like leaving mails on the server for more than 
  a
  day or so, but I don't see why I can't emulate this behavior on IMAP. I had
  originally chosen POP3 because OpenBSD came with it batteries-included.
  
  There's still some research I need to do on my own, but it does look like
  dovecot fits the OpenBSD mentality of security first in development.  
 
 dovecot has more vulns. than other open source imap implementations all 
 together.
 
 Dovecot: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=dovecot (31)
 Cyrus IMAP https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=Cyrus-imap
 (3)
 etc..

I don't think that paints an accurate picture in this case. You will
see more for cyrus listed on osvdb.org than mitre many of which from a
quick look are more worrying than dovecots.

I believe Dovecot is used by more people and so is more likely to have
bugs found and still offers a $1000 for any root exploit.

Perhaps you know both better than me as I know Dovecot quite well but
not Cyrus but from a quick look at the documentation and website. Cyrus
seems to have far less pro-active security features that some of the
vulnerabilities simply bypass.

Good to know it has competition though, I've only ever looked at
Cyrus-sasl.

-- 
___

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)

In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
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Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-12 Thread John Smith
 I think pop3 is dead but recently there was a mail in tech@
 stating Sunil Nimmagadda develops pop3 daemon closed to
 OpenBSD standards.

That's a good point. I don't like leaving mails on the server for more than a
day or so, but I don't see why I can't emulate this behavior on IMAP. I had
originally chosen POP3 because OpenBSD came with it batteries-included.

There's still some research I need to do on my own, but it does look like
dovecot fits the OpenBSD mentality of security first in development.

Thanks everyone!



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-01-05, John Smith jpmar...@outlook.com wrote:
 What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3? I feel like
 the general consensus will be switch to popa3d in ports,

popa3d is not currently in ports.



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-06 Thread Craig R. Skinner
On 2014-01-04 Sat 21:04 PM |, John Smith wrote:
 
 What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3?

I use dovecot for IMAP only (no POP).

It can do SSL  authenticate against the /etc password arrangement.

Cheers,
-- 
Craig Skinner | http://twitter.com/Craig_Skinner | http://linkd.in/yGqkv7



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-06 Thread Jiri B
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:04:27PM -0500, John Smith wrote:
 I'm a fan of simple setups and try to stick with the base programs if
 possible. I've been using an SSL relayd wrapper around popa3d for a simple and
 base-supported mail setup with opensmtpd.
 
 What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3? I feel like
 the general consensus will be switch to popa3d in ports, but I'll take this
 as an opportunity to migrate to something better if there's a good
 alternative.
 
 Thanks in advance!

I think pop3 is dead but recently there was a mail in tech@
stating Sunil Nimmagadda develops pop3 daemon closed to
OpenBSD standards.

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=137227187806151w=2
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=137348456028504w=2

jirib



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-05 Thread Peter Hessler
dovecot is pretty much the only sane option for pop3 and imap servers
these days.

On 2014 Jan 04 (Sat) at 21:04:27 -0500 (-0500), John Smith wrote:
:I'm a fan of simple setups and try to stick with the base programs if
:possible. I've been using an SSL relayd wrapper around popa3d for a simple and
:base-supported mail setup with opensmtpd.
:
:What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3? I feel like
:the general consensus will be switch to popa3d in ports, but I'll take this
:as an opportunity to migrate to something better if there's a good
:alternative.
:
:Thanks in advance!
:

-- 
I have made this letter longer than usual
because I lack the time to make it shorter.
-- Blaise Pascal



Re: popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-05 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 05:24:35PM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote:
 dovecot is pretty much the only sane option for pop3 and imap servers
 these days.
 
 On 2014 Jan 04 (Sat) at 21:04:27 -0500 (-0500), John Smith wrote:
 :I'm a fan of simple setups and try to stick with the base programs if
 :possible. I've been using an SSL relayd wrapper around popa3d for a simple 
 and
 :base-supported mail setup with opensmtpd.
 :
 :What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3? I feel 
 like
 :the general consensus will be switch to popa3d in ports, but I'll take this
 :as an opportunity to migrate to something better if there's a good
 :alternative.
 :
 :Thanks in advance!
 :

I don't think so.
See:
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=dovecot (31 CVE)
vs.
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=courier-imap (3 CVE)



popa3d removed from base - what do people recommend?

2014-01-04 Thread John Smith
I'm a fan of simple setups and try to stick with the base programs if
possible. I've been using an SSL relayd wrapper around popa3d for a simple and
base-supported mail setup with opensmtpd.

What would people recommend for a simple replacement for SSL pop3? I feel like
the general consensus will be switch to popa3d in ports, but I'll take this
as an opportunity to migrate to something better if there's a good
alternative.

Thanks in advance!